**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 27 02:59:58 2013 Oct 27 04:45:42 hey Oct 27 06:34:35 Hello everyone! Oct 27 06:35:38 On linux kernel 3.8.13, I can not find the interrupt.h and gpio.h Oct 27 06:36:30 I am gonna using these headfiles for a driver writting Oct 27 06:38:07 and PCA9555 as peripheral chip Oct 27 06:42:34 Kanta: and how/where did you get that kernel source? Oct 27 06:44:38 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software Oct 27 06:44:52 with Production Image 2013.09.04 option Oct 27 06:45:34 _kernel_ *SOURCE* Oct 27 06:46:44 https://s3.amazonaws.com/angstrom/demo/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.09.04.img.xz Oct 27 06:46:58 you have zero clue what I'm asking about, don't you? Oct 27 06:47:57 I got this kernel from the eMMC-flasher image of the link above Oct 27 06:54:59 that image has the kernel headers installed in /usr/include/linux/ Oct 27 06:55:31 it has Oct 27 06:56:12 but lack of interrupt.h gpio.h Oct 27 06:56:36 I can not find them Oct 27 07:00:28 are you sure, that this kernel version should have those files? what makes you think so? Oct 27 07:15:09 I search them on usr/include/linux of BBB Oct 27 07:15:34 as you knew, they were not there Oct 27 07:16:02 would you mind answering my question? Oct 27 07:16:28 okay Oct 27 07:23:13 After I download this image and make BBB boots it from a SD card Oct 27 07:23:41 it was completely successful Oct 27 07:24:59 And in the programming, I include these files in my program, but got some errors involving to them Oct 27 07:25:56 Then I tried to find them, but can not see them Oct 27 07:26:09 I use Eclipse Oct 27 07:28:24 connect to BBB for watching its directory directory hierachy Oct 27 07:29:46 long story short. I think you should consider getting the full kernel source: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 Oct 27 07:29:54 *badumtsh* right on time Oct 27 07:53:09 hi Oct 27 07:53:19 anybody there? Oct 27 07:53:31 i am a beagleboard newbie Oct 27 07:54:04 i need a discussion with somebody Oct 27 07:55:52 anybody there Oct 27 07:55:55 i need some help Oct 27 07:57:21 SandyBridge: start out by reading this Oct 27 07:57:22 http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Oct 27 07:58:36 heyy dm8tbr Oct 27 07:58:44 are you a bot Oct 27 07:58:48 or a real person Oct 27 08:00:28 I am a real person, who has offered friendly advice Oct 27 08:00:38 <`Ishq> It's best to ask question that to announce that you have a question. If someone with the relevant knowledge sees it, then they can help you directly. Oct 27 08:00:43 <`Ishq> *than to Oct 27 08:02:34 thats great Oct 27 08:02:48 actually i wanna know the possiblities Oct 27 08:02:54 i wanna develop my own hardware Oct 27 08:03:09 so i would actually need some advise as to how load it can handle Oct 27 08:03:28 in practical terms on different scenarios Oct 27 08:03:57 how much load* Oct 27 08:04:16 have you tested it with asterisk for example Oct 27 08:04:17 what type of hardware are you trying to develop? Oct 27 08:05:00 hello sandy, happy to have a discussion with you Oct 27 08:05:25 i wanna know the number of simultaneous calls without transcoding Oct 27 08:05:40 many things, thanks mr.packet Oct 27 08:05:46 if you just want to do SIP routing, probably quite a few Oct 27 08:05:53 SandyBridge: whats the weather like wher eyou are Oct 27 08:06:01 SandyBridge: do you like hobbits Oct 27 08:06:06 but the only way in this context is koen's rule 3 Oct 27 08:06:14 try and find out Oct 27 08:06:20 especially as a BBB is cheap Oct 27 08:06:30 SandyBridge: whats yoru dogs name Oct 27 08:06:45 your dogs name is beagle. Oct 27 08:07:00 voip pabx boxes, firewalls, and specialized custom hardware to be used with surveillance systems Oct 27 08:07:32 Sandy, buy some bbb's Oct 27 08:07:33 and try it out! Oct 27 08:07:53 mr packet, are you a adeveloper Oct 27 08:08:03 Sandy, BBB is'nt such a grand choice for a Firewall Oct 27 08:08:08 its only got one ethernet port Oct 27 08:08:19 yep Oct 27 08:08:27 * mrpackethead is a hobbit Oct 27 08:08:28 whats the alternate Oct 27 08:08:40 * mrpackethead is a troll Oct 27 08:08:46 but trolls smell bad Oct 27 08:08:53 so, thats why i'm a hobbit Oct 27 08:09:06 it does have a wifi port, so i think a basic level firewall would do, a personal one Oct 27 08:09:06 being a hobbit is a good alternative to being a troll Oct 27 08:09:35 dm8tbr: were you been hidign that wifi port Oct 27 08:09:49 which beagle are you using Oct 27 08:10:03 underneath the USB port Oct 27 08:10:24 m_billybob: do you need to unsolder it Oct 27 08:10:25 so i need character LCD output Oct 27 08:10:30 you can fit a cape... Oct 27 08:10:34 and led menu design Oct 27 08:10:51 nice. Oct 27 08:10:56 you can BANG ALL THE BITS! into the lcd Oct 27 08:10:58 is there any box with two ethernet ports Oct 27 08:11:14 yes. Oct 27 08:11:17 which can be integrated in some custom housing Oct 27 08:11:19 plenty of boxes with two ports Oct 27 08:11:26 have you seen the steve jobs movie Oct 27 08:11:29 there is a TI dev board with two GbE and the same or similar CPU Oct 27 08:11:35 $200. Oct 27 08:11:52 nice, so how many voip calls can it handle Oct 27 08:12:02 whats the processor spec? Oct 27 08:12:09 * m_billybob isnt a TI employee Oct 27 08:12:14 here is a two port box Oct 27 08:12:15 http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mH3K-LaZ3QA2ZGBMZBK35Rg.jpg Oct 27 08:12:22 its a box with two ports Oct 27 08:12:33 * mrpackethead is not a TI employee eihter. Oct 27 08:12:34 $300 with housing and LED Oct 27 08:12:46 it must sell for atleast $700 Oct 27 08:12:48 * mrpackethead is a TI customers Oct 27 08:12:57 what must sell for $700 Oct 27 08:13:11 anything that you are spending $300 on Oct 27 08:13:30 on the hardware Oct 27 08:13:44 you're goign to try to sell firewalls based on the TI SK? Oct 27 08:13:46 lol. Oct 27 08:13:59 so how much load can it handle, can anyone tell me Oct 27 08:14:06 *some* Oct 27 08:14:11 its compeltely depenadnt Oct 27 08:14:13 no dude Oct 27 08:14:13 not firewalls Oct 27 08:14:14 on so manythings Oct 27 08:14:21 significant, for discrete values thereof Oct 27 08:14:23 go and spend $49 on a bbb Oct 27 08:14:23 many more thinks Oct 27 08:14:25 things Oct 27 08:14:29 and try it! Oct 27 08:14:32 ffs Oct 27 08:14:46 mrpackethead: now now, that would be too easy, wouldn't it Oct 27 08:14:46 with single ethernet? Oct 27 08:15:15 if you want to try a board with two. buy the TI EVM Oct 27 08:15:29 your final hardware is going to be totally different anyway Oct 27 08:15:33 SandyBridge: it will handle 17.3 doggydoo's. Oct 27 08:15:33 are you guys intro electrical? Oct 27 08:15:42 whats electricity Oct 27 08:15:45 we dont' have it in caves Oct 27 08:15:49 brrr cold outside Oct 27 08:15:51 * dm8tbr doesn't practice electro-sex Oct 27 08:15:53 lol Oct 27 08:16:15 hahah im sorry electronics! Oct 27 08:16:25 night all Oct 27 08:16:26 greetings from italy! Oct 27 08:16:30 like assembly language and all Oct 27 08:16:40 * mrpackethead knows a few things Oct 27 08:16:44 i need some brains badly Oct 27 08:16:47 * dm8tbr knows this and that Oct 27 08:16:57 ask your local butcher Oct 27 08:16:58 dm8tbr: need a job? Oct 27 08:17:08 mrpackethead: hmmm, maybe Oct 27 08:17:15 i wanna make a face recognition engine Oct 27 08:17:29 which can verify thousands of faces in a single second Oct 27 08:17:40 cool. Oct 27 08:17:44 not a job, your own thing Oct 27 08:17:54 report back when you've got it working Oct 27 08:18:25 * dm8tbr could know an oppressive government or two that might want to acquire that Oct 27 08:18:38 s/oppressive/western/ Oct 27 08:18:45 even imagined why chinese are so hardworking? they employees are the shareholder of the companies, Oct 27 08:19:14 unlike some board of wealthy non IT literate assholes Oct 27 08:19:35 我可以为了晚餐 Oct 27 08:19:54 you are in china packet? Oct 27 08:20:13 thats MR packet head to you Oct 27 08:20:27 yes sir mr packethead Oct 27 08:20:43 so you are fast Oct 27 08:20:47 and brainy Oct 27 08:20:59 where are you from? Oct 27 08:21:53 I am from hobbiton Oct 27 08:22:04 but currnetly am trapped in a cave near isengard Oct 27 08:22:13 i havent seen hobbit Oct 27 08:22:21 but i saw Jobs the other day Oct 27 08:22:28 ahh, but the hobbits have seen you Oct 27 08:22:33 and are just avoding you Oct 27 08:22:36 ok, seriously Oct 27 08:22:43 order a beaglebone Oct 27 08:22:48 get some software on it Oct 27 08:22:50 and test it Oct 27 08:23:00 and see what happens Oct 27 08:23:09 it's the only way to find out Oct 27 08:23:09 your investment = $49 and some time Oct 27 08:23:18 and i feel stevejobs sprit visited me just like the hobbits have been sleepin under your bed Oct 27 08:23:30 we coudl tell you what ever you wanted to hear Oct 27 08:23:37 that it will transcode blah blah blah Oct 27 08:23:40 but seriously Oct 27 08:23:45 and Mr.packethead Oct 27 08:23:45 if you are goign to buidl an app Oct 27 08:23:48 you need to test it Oct 27 08:23:58 we don't do free consoultancy here Oct 27 08:24:12 how about paid Oct 27 08:24:29 you could'nt afford me Oct 27 08:24:35 but i do have other trolls Oct 27 08:24:42 yes but you can afford yourself right Oct 27 08:24:42 that might do a job Oct 27 08:24:52 no, if i was paying my wages Oct 27 08:24:58 i woud'nt be able to afford me Oct 27 08:25:07 i mean we make a group, spend time Oct 27 08:25:11 and money Oct 27 08:25:29 and we are the shareholders Oct 27 08:25:47 so we need to put in the best Oct 27 08:25:47 SandyBridge: right. Oct 27 08:26:12 and develop a series of products Oct 27 08:26:21 and sell them Oct 27 08:26:41 first the prototype then 1000 pcs Oct 27 08:26:45 after the testing Oct 27 08:27:09 finished products Oct 27 08:27:23 with sales and support channel Oct 27 08:28:04 你是中国人 Oct 27 08:28:43 no i am not chinese Oct 27 08:29:40 Sandy what market are you talking about Oct 27 08:29:55 and do you have previous expereince in Electronics design / manufacture / distribution Oct 27 08:30:15 * mrpackethead does it for a job Oct 27 08:30:24 wow Oct 27 08:30:32 freelance projects? Oct 27 08:30:46 no, i own a company that builds products Oct 27 08:30:52 and manfaucturers them Oct 27 08:31:03 or something of your own? Oct 27 08:31:13 your website Oct 27 08:31:56 somethign of our own. Oct 27 08:32:07 we have many products Oct 27 08:32:13 whats your wesbite url; Oct 27 08:32:25 its http://imnottellingyou.com Oct 27 08:32:38 ok Oct 27 08:34:46 why not Oct 27 08:35:02 becuase you dont' need to know Oct 27 08:35:08 My advise to you Oct 27 08:35:14 get some low cost hardware Oct 27 08:35:21 and start testing your idea Oct 27 08:35:31 a bbb is $49 Oct 27 08:35:35 if you can't afford that Oct 27 08:35:40 ok Oct 27 08:35:50 and do lots of reading and playing Oct 27 08:35:53 and testing Oct 27 08:36:22 btw, yoru ratios are wrong Oct 27 08:36:33 i think $49 isfree Oct 27 08:36:51 if its able to handle load of a 7 yr old p4 Oct 27 08:37:33 sandy, if you spend $300 on hardware, you'll need to sell it for $1200 Oct 27 08:37:36 at leat. Oct 27 08:37:41 or its not worth doing. Oct 27 08:37:51 casue you'll go broke Oct 27 08:37:56 if you try selling it for $700 Oct 27 08:37:59 we'd sell if for $700 Oct 27 08:38:16 why bro Oct 27 08:38:35 becuase thats the costs of runnign a electronics manufacutring system Oct 27 08:38:50 are. Oct 27 08:38:51 are you selling your product in pakistan? Oct 27 08:39:01 no , i dont' think so. Oct 27 08:39:04 :-) Oct 27 08:39:10 are you in Pakistan? Oct 27 08:39:24 so, if ure a businessman Oct 27 08:39:25 you should be knowing what economies of scale are Oct 27 08:39:32 I do Oct 27 08:39:35 plus it sells more when you have lower price Oct 27 08:39:45 lol. Oct 27 08:40:24 ok pakistan has a population 180 million Oct 27 08:40:35 are you in Pakistan? Oct 27 08:40:43 ya Oct 27 08:40:51 middle-earth has a population of about lots Oct 27 08:41:10 do you have a support call center Oct 27 08:41:13 for your products Oct 27 08:41:18 no Oct 27 08:41:24 our products dont' break Oct 27 08:41:46 well, how old r u.. umm 25? Oct 27 08:42:01 25 several times over. Oct 27 08:42:26 support is not for broken products bro Oct 27 08:42:35 really? Oct 27 08:42:38 whats it for then Oct 27 08:42:45 how much revenue your company has? Oct 27 08:42:59 15c Oct 27 08:43:29 see, most of the people find it hard to operate devices or gadget Oct 27 08:43:37 so they need more than manual Oct 27 08:43:44 thats because so many of them are badly desinged Oct 27 08:44:00 if you build somethign that does't break, and is easy to use Oct 27 08:44:05 you don't need a support center Oct 27 08:44:14 *trust* me Oct 27 08:44:24 and the most successful business are evaluated based on the public's interest and how well they interact with their customer Oct 27 08:44:35 ok. Oct 27 08:44:37 your an expert Oct 27 08:44:43 you have all the answers Oct 27 08:44:59 its not about the hardware, its about software too Oct 27 08:45:03 ill tell you what Oct 27 08:45:17 actually the most sucessful bsiness are the ones that return optimal profits to its shareholders Oct 27 08:45:26 i don't care what my customers think Oct 27 08:45:31 its always a team work bro, if you think u can do everything alone, you would be missing something or the other Oct 27 08:45:31 becuase its unimportant! Oct 27 08:45:44 Sandy, your not my bro Oct 27 08:45:55 when compared with companies liek cisco or dell or sony Oct 27 08:46:08 Sandy, i have a team of people arond me who are way better at their jobs than me Oct 27 08:46:13 its why i hired them Oct 27 08:46:17 ok then, https://byebye.com/ Oct 27 08:46:27 oh, you giving up Oct 27 08:46:29 sigh. Oct 27 08:46:48 because you are extremely rude Oct 27 08:47:05 its obvious that u are just giving me bs about your own products Oct 27 08:47:23 but u can handle only 1 side, product design Oct 27 08:47:24 thats your call to decide Oct 27 08:47:27 thats what ure good at Oct 27 08:47:38 Sandy, how do you know that Oct 27 08:47:50 your just making assumptions Oct 27 08:48:11 yeah what else Oct 27 08:48:14 see i dont' ahve to proove anythign to you Oct 27 08:48:32 do what is it? cornona or stella or good old bud Oct 27 08:48:33 despite that you think i do. Oct 27 08:48:42 * dm8tbr goes to make moar popcorn Oct 27 08:48:54 * mrpackethead follows dm8tbr to the machine Oct 27 08:49:11 dm8tbr: can you proove you have a popcorn maker. Oct 27 08:49:23 microwave Oct 27 08:49:26 dm8tbr: do you have a support center for you badly coded popcorn maker Oct 27 08:49:29 bro Oct 27 08:49:49 dm8tbr: apparently your popcorn maker will be evaluated by 'bro' with some strange KPI's Oct 27 08:50:33 mrpacket come over to paksitan Oct 27 08:50:34 ure gonna chill Oct 27 08:50:48 with some pure weed Oct 27 08:51:02 and lots of hardware Oct 27 08:51:17 we will make the transformers robot Oct 27 08:51:21 car Oct 27 08:51:54 SandyBridge: you have no idea how close the stuff i make is to the transformers robots Oct 27 08:52:15 i do, thats why i recommended you Oct 27 08:52:18 why paksitan Oct 27 08:52:27 why paki? Oct 27 08:52:42 i guess the USD is so undervalued now Oct 27 08:52:54 that maybe you guys have lots of cash Oct 27 08:52:56 high quality at low cost Oct 27 08:53:07 yeah right. Oct 27 08:53:23 hardware from china Oct 27 08:53:29 support from pakistan or india Oct 27 08:53:30 I'm actually not interested in low cost Oct 27 08:53:38 low cost = low profit Oct 27 08:53:46 china or korea* Oct 27 08:54:01 r u in USA Oct 27 08:54:12 Sandy, support from India does not work well for the US, European markets Oct 27 08:54:28 its a great way to infruiate many clients Oct 27 08:54:36 to handle the traffic Oct 27 08:54:43 its why so many of htem are moving their "outsouring" back onshore Oct 27 08:54:57 to filter calls Oct 27 08:55:00 SandyBridge: I told you, i'm in middle call Oct 27 08:55:08 lol. Oct 27 08:55:11 filter calls Oct 27 08:55:17 yeah Oct 27 08:55:20 My clients have my mobile number Oct 27 08:55:29 advanced support may be handled through a different country Oct 27 08:55:30 theya re welcome to call me Oct 27 08:55:38 whenever they want Oct 27 08:55:43 if you are selling your stuff in nigeria Oct 27 08:55:51 Im not. Oct 27 08:56:01 i like talkign to my customers Oct 27 08:56:10 your support assistant will be us, thats woudl be crazy Oct 27 08:56:21 my customers provide me with a wealth of information Oct 27 08:56:24 you cant do it for a mass Oct 27 08:56:31 i don't need to. Oct 27 08:56:36 why would i Oct 27 08:56:51 ok biddy Oct 27 08:56:57 gotta rush, good luck Oct 27 08:57:18 right. Oct 27 08:57:30 sigh. Oct 27 08:57:35 theres another one. Oct 27 08:57:46 see if he listend at the start Oct 27 08:57:54 he would ahve got a sensible answer Oct 27 08:58:00 whch was " go and get one and try " Oct 27 11:36:08 hello Oct 27 11:38:18 anybody there Oct 27 11:39:40 no, office is close, when office is closed, nobody here Oct 27 11:39:47 free hint: Oct 27 11:39:48 http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Oct 27 12:11:13 i have updated my beagle boneblack, thing is usb pendrive,wifi and uSD is not wordking...but they are perfectly listed in lsusb **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 27 12:14:10 2013 Oct 27 12:32:39 hey Oct 27 12:41:35 hi Oct 27 12:41:52 is someone in here? Oct 27 12:42:31 hi Oct 27 12:43:03 hi Oct 27 12:43:17 Is some one there? Oct 27 12:44:39 <_av500_> no Oct 27 12:44:45 <_av500_> closed for the weekend Oct 27 12:50:15 ! Oct 27 12:55:09 lol Oct 27 13:05:42 1 Oct 27 13:08:17 101 Oct 27 13:09:46 26 Oct 27 13:10:08 invalid input Oct 27 13:14:31 x Oct 27 15:13:24 any one can suggest light weight easy to learn web server and programming language for beaglebone black ? Oct 27 15:16:38 ruby on rails. Oct 27 15:16:43 j/k Oct 27 15:16:54 how about intercal on interstates Oct 27 15:16:57 or bash on balls Oct 27 15:17:05 bash is definitely light-weight Oct 27 15:17:31 to be serious, you probably want to take a look at python Oct 27 15:19:52 whatever is on angstrom by default Oct 27 15:28:12 can we light the stupid fuck on fire who screwed up the internal rtc routing ? Oct 27 15:30:08 Hmh? Oct 27 15:36:02 rob_w: Once you've completed a couple of dozen high density SMD circuits and gotten all the PCBs made without error on the first shot - sure. Oct 27 15:36:45 well after my 5th revision of a pcb i would have fixed that one missing ping Oct 27 15:37:09 It doesn't always work that way. Oct 27 15:37:19 Faults don't always become apparant until you fix the last one. Oct 27 15:37:32 And each board respin costs in terms of time and money. Oct 27 15:37:47 i agree .. i am just dissapointed Oct 27 15:38:20 and i am still wondering if i could get the tps routed that Vbat pin to the rtc by some magic Oct 27 15:39:07 The magic is called 'calling them and asking', with credit card in hand. Oct 27 15:39:18 so sorry for my harsh words maybe .. its still a superb platform Oct 27 15:39:53 well its not a big deal to get a additional rtc on my cape .. Oct 27 15:40:36 its just , if i knewed upfront ,then i wouldnt have already a reason for my 2nd rev cape Oct 27 15:41:31 then the good side is my cape will be having rtc ;-) Oct 27 15:47:02 Bit of a n00b question but I generally make Yocto recipes from cmake or autool'd source code and I'm not used to plain ol' makefiles. I've built a library but when I try and add it to an image I get "Error: (my lib) not found in the base feeds" I've added FILES_$PN and used oe_libinstall to move my shared objects to STAGING_LIBDIR so I'm not sure what else I need to do. Oct 27 15:49:24 thats what i do for private lib too Oct 27 15:59:55 OKay.. patching angstrom and I'm getting this Oct 27 15:59:55 Job for bonescript.socket failed. See 'systemctl status bonescript.socket' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. Oct 27 16:48:36 Anyone running debian on the bbb? Oct 27 16:49:08 I am currently running robert's netinstall from the sd card. As far as I understand I can now partition and format the sd-card. But I'd like to install it on the MMC. Oct 27 16:53:59 well you should see the internal mmc detected Oct 27 16:58:39 It says MMC/SD Card #1 (mmcblk0) - 2GB - my microsd card is 2GB. Not sure if this is the internal eMMC or the sdcard, I assumed it was the sdcard. Oct 27 16:59:13 (Just as a note: I have good linux knowlege, not issues with technical terms) Oct 27 17:05:43 The netinstaller suggests a 100mb fat16 partition - random guess: That is the first partition on my microsd with the debian netinstaller on it. Oct 27 17:10:30 well its a bit tricky .. if you have the external in then this is mmcblk0 and internal is 1.. if the external is out the internal is 0 Oct 27 17:11:18 Since I am running the netinstaller from the microsd, I would assume seeing two devices. I only see mmcblk0. Hmm. Oct 27 17:11:46 pastebin the full dmesg Oct 27 17:12:28 If you tell me how I get into a console from the netinstaller via serial over minicom xD Oct 27 17:13:07 And the issue about the ethernet-chip not being detected by the netinstaller is a bit of a pity - luckly I had an usb-ethernet adapter, but it makes things just more complicated =/ Oct 27 17:13:29 hmm cant one close netinstaller and fall back to a console ? Oct 27 17:14:23 or just go ahead and install and go from there Oct 27 17:14:45 not trying to make all work in the 1st try but go step by step Oct 27 17:15:18 Yup, this is what I am doing right now. Installing on that mmcblk0 device - maybe I get a bootable debian form that microsd and see if I can go from there and instal a fresh debian on the emmc Oct 27 17:16:02 well if you got the mmc loaded with what you want then you can simply copy the stuff to the internal ... that brings you pretty close Oct 27 17:16:21 as the internal vs external is rather just a id .. technically Oct 27 17:18:49 Well, uboot configuration needs to be adapted. And it is the first time I ever worked with uboot. Oct 27 17:19:05 Does uboot need a special boot partition? Oct 27 17:19:40 yes Oct 27 17:20:09 fat? which size? Oct 27 17:20:34 yes do fat size is all above 50m i guess is fine Oct 27 17:20:45 dunno what the bbb default is Oct 27 17:20:46 Is there something similar to 'grub-install /dev/'? xD Oct 27 17:21:17 you you will have the u-boot 2nd stage binary in there and maybe some uEnv.txt Oct 27 17:21:50 but that roberts netinstall ,, shoukd it do that all for you ? Oct 27 17:24:09 Yeah, I guess. But if I move things over to the internet storage after I booted the sdcard… I'll see, it is still installing. Oct 27 17:25:38 the bbb should have its default installation already on .. with that you could leave the 1st partiton as it was Oct 27 17:25:45 and put your stuff on the 2nd as you like Oct 27 17:26:08 unless you want some special u-boot settings where you will then edit uEnv.txt Oct 27 17:26:16 inside the 1st part Oct 27 17:27:25 Does the TI just boot from the first partition or does it use something like x86's bootable-flag? Oct 27 17:27:58 no bootflag Oct 27 17:28:49 it basicly pulls u-boot 2nd stage from either sdcard Oct 27 17:29:43 then doing standard u-boot magic to load n fire the kernel Oct 27 17:31:13 Okay. And I got a console. Digging through dmesg right now, but I do not see anything suspicious about the internal memory. Only some kernel issue about my usb ethernet device, which seems to work anyways. Let's see, maybe I manage to post it somehow Oct 27 17:38:49 Ha, netcat magic. Oct 27 17:38:52 http://bpaste.net/show/144317/ Oct 27 17:39:54 Hmm #1: [ 3.115619] bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.9: Skipping disabled cape with part# BB-BONE-EMMC-2G Oct 27 17:43:57 Kernel command line: console=ttyO0,115200n8 capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONE-EMMC-2G VIDEO_DISPLAY root=/dev/ram0 rw Oct 27 17:44:13 get rid of that kernel commadn adn you will get emmc Oct 27 17:45:56 h Oct 27 18:00:25 I wonder why robert has put this command there… o.o Oct 27 18:04:42 Ah, much better. Now I see the internal storage! Thank you rob_w! Oct 27 18:04:50 np Oct 27 18:06:12 What is mmcblk1boot0 and boot1? o.o Oct 27 21:50:59 hi there, am getting lots of static using mplayer or aplay when playing an audio file using the BBB audio cape. any pointers? Oct 27 21:51:53 also, any idea how do i get the name of the audio-cape in the system and set it as the default device for alsa? (i have to create asound.conf i believe in /etc) Oct 27 22:02:30 Hi People. If anyone is dealing with issues associated with FreeBSD on a BBB, I am interested in your experiences. Oct 27 22:49:29 I have some solid knowlege about the traditional boot process. For grub on x86 for example, it is a minimal loader (strage 1) in the MBR and some strage 1.5/2 on a boot-partition where grub-modules and the kernel sits, together with a grub/grub.cfg where the path to the kernel/initrd is configured. Can anyone explain to me on a similar level how uboot works on the beaglebone black? Oct 28 00:06:08 Russ, there? Oct 28 00:06:18 Russ, what does caa_cpu_relax do in your example? Oct 28 00:07:48 I know you may be doing it for busy waiting, but... Oct 28 00:59:29 [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.12: http://git.io/Y8VZaQ Oct 28 00:59:30 kernel/3.12 04b806c Robert Nelson: 3.12: update to v3.12-rc7... Oct 28 01:22:06 joel_, how are you inserting a nop? Oct 28 02:16:00 hi all can anyone tell me how to load code onto a beagle bone via usb? is it the same as booting a live cd image from a usb key or do i need to install some special software to act as a host? Oct 28 02:17:45 use the mount command Oct 28 02:19:33 something like: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb Oct 28 02:21:32 no gpio thats not what i need.. i need to be able to image a beagle bone from a usb key.. Oct 28 02:21:41 or a usb cable connected to a image server Oct 28 02:21:59 i can read the usb keys without a problem Oct 28 02:23:43 ok, if I understand correct, you want to flash the eMMC on the beagle Oct 28 02:23:52 with an image on the usb? Oct 28 02:24:06 yeah or even the uart port.. Oct 28 02:24:46 have only found a onelink regarding this and it requires that a SD card be present to make it boot the usb key with defeats the purpose... Oct 28 02:25:07 who here has manged to run any OS from a USB device? I ask cause I have a high performance USB 2.0 drive that can do 40+MB/sec Oct 28 02:25:59 yeah i don't really want to run the os from the usb key just use it to image the onboard mmc chip. Oct 28 02:26:30 i have done it on norma desktop pc's but its not that enjoyable Oct 28 02:26:35 bnz, have you tested the performance of the onboard mmc chip? Oct 28 02:27:18 not really as in speed tests.. but in general usage its ok Oct 28 02:27:51 we are using a beagle bone black to perform some OCR on a image and spit out the results out the usb port.. Oct 28 02:28:17 ah Oct 28 02:28:19 we want to explore other methods of installing our image.. as SD cards are fragile as.... Oct 28 02:29:10 sometime they are good the next time its no good. so we end up throwing 3 or 4 beagle bones aside and have to retest after we know for certain that the sd card has become corrupted; Oct 28 02:29:11 bnz, your looking for robustness over speed? Oct 28 02:29:21 a bit of both Oct 28 02:29:29 cheap too? Oct 28 02:29:47 we can live with 10mins to image a machine.. with the SD cards it takes 4 mins Oct 28 02:30:21 hmmm cost is not an problem the boss has said if we need a server with a crap load of usb ports then we can have it... Oct 28 02:30:58 all depends on the load on the server as to how many units we can image at a time.. Oct 28 02:31:29 this will overwite onboard mmc: dd if=yourimage.img of=/dev/mmcblk1 Oct 28 02:31:39 with SD cards i spend the best part of a day imaging 100 beagle bones and have to re-image the SD cards 3 or 4 times. Oct 28 02:33:17 gpio yeah i have used this before but dd is really slow it would take an hour to DD a SD card with a 4gb image.. we have a sd card building script that will build a sd card in about 10 mins. this card then takes 4-7mins to image the onboard nand memory Oct 28 02:33:33 I was not talking about the initial write times, more the ongoing performance of faster storage device access times Oct 28 02:33:35 what we would like it is to get away from these crappy sd cards. Oct 28 02:33:51 what sc cards are you using? Oct 28 02:34:08 if you're working from a linux terminal, Oct 28 02:34:24 consider: https://github.com/slayersoft/MineNinja/wiki/Flashing-the-BeagleBone-eMMc Oct 28 02:34:46 agh i see. N2TOH.. we did have to make some changes to our kernels to over clock the BBB to about 1.2ghz.. otherwise our scans are too slow for our liking. Oct 28 02:34:56 I have had more trouble with shitty SD card readers then the actual cards them selves, I have to replace them about every year Oct 28 02:35:58 bnz, the MTBF @ 1GHz speed is under 37,000 hours. with over clocking that time shrinks even more Oct 28 02:36:53 don't hold me too it but under 700MHz had like 100,000 hour plus MTBF times Oct 28 02:37:06 gpio that uses ethernet.. i forgot to mention that we cannot count on every board having a ethernet port. for some models of what we build we remove the the ethernet socket to allow for space for a rs232 socket. i know its really backwards all i really need is to get usb booting to work... Oct 28 02:37:36 N2TOH that could explain something we have had a few units simply up and die on us... Oct 28 02:38:09 bnz, commodity SD sockets are total shit Oct 28 02:38:23 this could be the cause.. i didn't realise that the MTBF was that low once you got up to this speed Oct 28 02:38:56 yeah I have a friend who sent me the Ti specs for the ARM chip, it's kinda scarry Oct 28 02:39:53 side note I buy the shittiest USB SD readers cause I know at best they will last maybe a year at best Oct 28 02:40:14 n2toh, have that info for 600 and 800 Mhz? Oct 28 02:40:35 yes let me find the Ti URL Oct 28 02:41:23 meanwhile, bnz sorry I misunderstood, don't know enough to tweek the boot process. Oct 28 02:42:39 gpio, the MTBF is in here some place, http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/am3358.pdf Oct 28 02:42:54 its all good i think i am stuck using TI's software to load code up via usb.. was hoping someone could tell me 100% thats how they do it :) but its all good i will keep reading the documentation i have found.. there is soooo much of it finding the one part i need could take some time. Oct 28 02:43:22 do you use angstrom? Oct 28 02:43:32 n2toh - thanks a lot! Oct 28 02:45:21 page 87 of 236 Oct 28 02:46:05 All I know: for tweaking angstrom in /boot directory edit uEnv.txt Oct 28 02:46:19 gpio nah we are running ubuntu as we have a lot of legacy software that we would have to port Oct 28 02:46:39 it's a time vs junction vs speed thing Oct 28 02:46:53 junction temp* Oct 28 02:47:49 stay under the Nitro and Turbo speeds if you want the devideo to live past the 37K, and 80K time lines Oct 28 02:47:51 bnz look at grub, grub-update and /etc/grub.d, be back later Oct 28 02:47:59 gpio as far as i can tell the usb and usart booting modes are processor level stuff that doesn't require uboot or MLO Oct 28 02:48:47 * N2TOH personally would rather a device become obsolete before it burns up Oct 28 02:49:05 there are resistors on the board that you can change to alter the boot order.. this i have done .. but the next step is to serve the code to the board via the serial or usb port Oct 28 02:50:28 bnz, never played around with that. Oct 28 02:50:41 yeah that is nice and its happening more often now.. back in the old days.. things were built to last now they are build to be replaced... Oct 28 02:55:23 shocking - howto fry your bbb: put it on! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 28 02:59:58 2013