**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 29 02:59:58 2013 Oct 29 03:13:07 does anyone have any links to people using the internal RTC of a beagle bone with a battery that is not fed thru the Power management IC? Oct 29 03:13:56 bnz can this be done? Oct 29 03:15:24 thats what i want to know... Oct 29 03:16:33 everything i have found in the net says you must put VDD_RTC thru a power management chip… but my boss says that can't be the case…. i am fresh out of search term for google.. i just can't seem to find any information saying that you can… or can't do this.... Oct 29 03:20:53 use network time services? Oct 29 03:21:22 there is a small hint in the technical manual that says the voltage to VDD_RTC must be dropped to be able to reset the processor, (to me ) this means you need to put the voltage thru at least a switch/gate that is tied to the reset signals. Oct 29 03:22:19 sorry, I'm not in a mode where I can be of more assistance Oct 29 03:22:28 N2TOH these units won't all have ethernet and we need the device to keep the time even when the device is off… NTP will not help in this case… in face we just turned off NTP as it works in opposition to where we want to be.... Oct 29 03:23:46 face = fact.. Oct 29 03:24:12 add a cape board with a RTC? Oct 29 03:25:06 I have not confirmed it but there are those who claim the on-board RTC is unusable Oct 29 03:25:30 http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/am3358.pdf Oct 29 03:25:34 thats how we have don't it up until now… but now we are in cost saving mode.. time to redesign the board to (not use a beagle ) be exactly what we need with all the part broken out that we need… and adding a ds1307 crystal and all that jazz costs more and did i mention we are trying to save money :) Oct 29 03:25:39 that is th Ti data sheet Oct 29 03:25:55 yeah thats what i have been reading... Oct 29 03:26:22 but it only shows a battery going thru the PMIC… this means that the entire unit can be powered from the battery… Oct 29 03:26:43 * N2TOH have you considered calling/contacting Ti? Oct 29 03:26:52 and to top things off we don't have any power buttons or switches that will tell the machine to turn off and switch to RTC only mode.. Oct 29 03:27:18 * N2TOH oh well Oct 29 03:27:28 N2TOH not as yet wanted to make sure it wash't out there already.. have only been looking at this particular problem for a day or two... Oct 29 03:28:39 i think i will just throw this one back to the contractor that is designing our arm board… he is supposed to know and have experience with arm boards thats why the boss contracted him… if he can't work this out we really shouldn't be using him to design our board... Oct 29 03:29:52 I know i don't know enough to do this… thats why i suggested getting a contractor with arm experience... Oct 29 03:32:00 =1 Oct 29 03:33:16 * N2TOH bnz that's a smart move Oct 29 03:34:59 i just don't understand why the boss want me to waste my time looking for this crap…. the data sheets say that you should use a PMIC but he won't accept that…. like really if you are going to start questioning what the manufacturer is saying about a product they make, then you have some serious issues to sort out…. Oct 29 03:36:05 bnz, not so much data sheet lie! Oct 29 03:37:11 * N2TOH my old professor taught me to find the worst case situation for each component and consider that to be normal. Oct 29 03:37:26 ++ Oct 29 03:37:40 ahhh yes i there have been times where data sheets are wrong…. but really when you look at the datasheets for the entire family of processors and they all say the same thing… the only time this could be wrong is when the chip is brand new to the market… the AM335x family has been around for long enough that the simple things like boot config is well known and understood Oct 29 03:38:41 things like a new die fab process can change all that Oct 29 03:38:56 yeah this is true… Oct 29 03:40:21 then again when I start to make logical sense people tend to tell to shut the F*** up Oct 29 03:40:30 me* Oct 29 03:43:24 if only my boss was logical.... Oct 29 04:41:02 so is NFS enabled usually in the beagle board kernels? Oct 29 05:13:22 how to get the clock on p9_41 in BBB?I have done pinmuxing and set it to mode 3 accordingly.But when i probe using oscilloscope i cannot find any clock(clock out 2).Should we write any programs to activate it ? Oct 29 05:38:22 how to get the clock on p9_41 in BBB?I have done pinmuxing and set it to mode 3 accordingly.But when i probe using oscilloscope i cannot find any clock(clock out 2).Should we write any programs to activate it ? Oct 29 05:39:57 did you check if dmesg says anything about that? Oct 29 05:42:46 bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: slot #7: Applied #4 overlays. ---- dmesg Oct 29 05:43:02 this mesage is displaying Oct 29 05:46:25 have you checked if that pin conflicts with any of the virtual capes? Oct 29 05:53:11 I will check that..my doubt is after doing pin muxing to generate the clock should we do anything to activate the clock??(like ' echo 1 > .... ').. Oct 29 05:56:15 not sure, never done this myself Oct 29 05:58:07 ok this is going to piss me the FUCK OFF in a major way. i guess the ONLY solution to this problem is to somehow recompile my bbxm kernel to allow for nfs mouts so i can use my sublime text editor on my laptop to edit the source files being compiled and executed on my beagle board Oct 29 05:58:41 because i just black listed the only terminal based editor ive could even bring my self to LOOK at in *nix Oct 29 05:59:19 why? because for some dumbass fucked up reason the author of that editor has decided that there shall be NO FUCKING WAY to globally disable the injection of tabs into source files Oct 29 06:01:47 mark4: ssh -XC to the rescue Oct 29 06:02:29 or mount just /one/ directory over NFS, why the whole /? Oct 29 06:09:07 it would be just one directory Oct 29 06:09:11 what does ssh -XC do? Oct 29 06:10:06 i dont think ssh -XC would work for me, i need to have my laptop EDIT the files that my BB then compiles Oct 29 06:10:19 the only way i can think to do this is with an NFS mount Oct 29 06:10:33 i dont even know if NFS is enabled in the beagle board XM kernel that i have Oct 29 06:21:18 <`Ishq> mark4: ssh -X allows X11 forwarding so you can run GUI apps on the bb and have them show up on your remote comp. Oct 29 06:21:28 <`Ishq> iirc, -C is to enable compression Oct 29 06:21:43 Ishq that does not help me Oct 29 06:21:59 for a start sublime text wont run on an arm device Oct 29 06:22:20 i need to COMPILE on the arm device those files which i have edited on my x64 laptop Oct 29 06:22:27 amd64 more accurately Oct 29 06:22:34 <`Ishq> Sublime text isn't the only text editor out there. Besides, you already have ssh running, just use SFTP to transfer files back and forth as necessary Oct 29 06:22:42 its the only one worth using Oct 29 06:22:53 i was using joe on the target but i just permanantly black listed joe Oct 29 06:22:58 <`Ishq> Well, personal choice. I'll leave it to you. Oct 29 06:23:10 and in over 10 years i have not fojun d ANY console based editors that did not make me totally CRINGE Oct 29 06:23:24 but joe just committed the unforgivable sin Oct 29 06:23:39 they removed the ability to prefent the forceful injection of TABS into source files Oct 29 06:23:44 emerge -C joe Oct 29 06:23:51 <`Ishq> I don't really care much for joe, but vi/vim are decent enough. Even mcedit is nice. Oct 29 06:23:54 so i have to NFS mount my source tree Oct 29 06:24:09 <`Ishq> Again Oct 29 06:24:12 no. escape colon shift f1 f1 backspace... now your in overwrite mode Oct 29 06:24:14 NTY Oct 29 06:24:20 <`Ishq> You can use SFTP to transfer files back and forth. Oct 29 06:24:26 no. Oct 29 06:24:27 <`Ishq> Just copy your source dir over Oct 29 06:24:36 edit. scp. compile. edit scp compile Oct 29 06:24:37 screw that Oct 29 06:24:38 lol Oct 29 06:24:43 no. Oct 29 06:24:44 edit Oct 29 06:24:45 compile Oct 29 06:24:50 ill use NFS Oct 29 06:25:15 * `Ishq shrugs Oct 29 06:25:41 would be fine if they didnt fuck all over the ONLY terminal editor worth using Oct 29 06:26:08 <`Ishq> idk, but if you have trouble switching between editors, I think you got bigger problems to deal with. Oct 29 06:26:22 ive used joe since 2000 Oct 29 06:26:48 <`Ishq> Then downgrade. Oct 29 06:26:52 there is not ONE other console editor i can abide under *nix, not one Oct 29 06:26:58 no ill use nfs Oct 29 06:27:09 edit on laptop. mount laptop directory via nfs on bb Oct 29 06:27:17 compile sources on bb. profit Oct 29 06:29:46 mark4: or use sshfs instead of nfs... Oct 29 06:30:30 whats sshfs? Oct 29 06:31:08 aha Oct 29 06:31:15 that looks like it would be easier Oct 29 06:33:52 fuse requies kernel sources - i dont HAVE kernel sources on my bb xm Oct 29 06:34:40 i have no problems with building a kernel exept every kernel source i tried on this target has produced a brick Oct 29 06:34:43 unbootable brick Oct 29 06:35:42 how does sshfs work. can i execute an application over sshfs? Oct 29 06:35:59 i.e. can i execute the binary that my target just wrote after compiling the sources? Oct 29 06:36:18 or is it just some funky auto scp mechanism? Oct 29 06:36:34 that automatically copies any modified files over? Oct 29 06:37:27 *sigh* Oct 29 06:37:39 sshfs is just what its name says. its an FS over ssh Oct 29 06:39:09 having said that, it often can serve as an ad-hoc replacement for cifs or nfs, paying the bill in performance mostly. Oct 29 06:39:32 with text files that should be irrelephant Oct 29 06:39:46 agreed. Oct 29 06:40:31 the compile does not take any longer and if it did that would be a complete non issue. ty Oct 29 06:41:40 note: personally I'd mount the BB over SSH on the PC. So that the editor is 'remote' and the compiler doesn't have to operate on remote files. Oct 29 06:41:52 but that is stating the obvious Oct 29 06:41:54 no fuse? what kind of a kernel build is that. :P Oct 29 06:42:23 a con-fused kernel? ;) Oct 29 06:42:45 dm8tbr, i had thought of that but the reason why i went this was is because i take my latptop with me when i go places but i dont always take the target Oct 29 06:42:45 * vagrantc compliments dm8tbr Oct 29 06:42:50 i want the soruces with me Oct 29 06:44:05 they are asm sources not C and once i got these bugs ironed out compilation will be blazingly fast because its the compiler im debugging that will be doing the compiling :) Oct 29 06:46:16 How to disable Angstrom login screen in uart ttyACM0 (in BB black), i want to use this port for custom application. please help Oct 29 06:46:49 disable the getty in the systemd config Oct 29 06:47:16 prem__, if you were running gentoo i would say remove the agetty line for it from /etc/inittab Oct 29 06:47:27 im not sure where other distros put inittab Oct 29 06:48:06 mark4: angstrom uses systemd Oct 29 06:48:13 oh Oct 29 06:48:41 thats what arch uses too ya? Oct 29 07:09:55 Can anyone assist in communicating beaglebone with mobilephone .. Oct 29 07:18:01 try asking a specific question Oct 29 07:23:36 <_av500_> what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow? Oct 29 07:26:02 test__ go ask the Technical Illusions team how to interface stuff to a smart phone Oct 29 07:28:23 * N2TOH ducks and swings a sward to the dark night! Oct 29 07:32:29 thanks ...disabled serial-getty@ttyGS0.service. now its fine.. Oct 29 07:33:50 thanks dm8tbr... Oct 29 07:41:23 _av500_: asian or european? Oct 29 07:58:34 gm Oct 29 08:04:33 moin woglinde Oct 29 08:09:29 jo koth, no university today? Oct 29 08:09:36 nope Oct 29 08:09:44 tuesday is work-only-day Oct 29 08:09:52 needless to say that i'm still at home :-) Oct 29 08:13:05 lol Oct 29 11:58:17 any way to get windows Embedded to BeagleBone Black? Oct 29 11:58:53 ask microsoft Oct 29 11:58:57 or TI Oct 29 12:09:10 Useful information about the beagle boot process, someone shared with me on the gentoo-embedded channel: http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg Oct 29 12:13:21 spm_Draget: thanks! Oct 29 12:15:35 it could be useful to add the a diagram around the FAT boot too. As there are a couple of nasties and some cargo cult. Oct 29 12:17:13 dm8tbr: feel free to do so Oct 29 12:19:27 prodded aholler about that, let's see Oct 29 12:26:12 he still exists? Oct 29 12:26:30 and there i thought the JIHAD drove him out of the intarwebz Oct 29 12:27:12 he's on #minnowboard Oct 29 12:28:40 i could join there, now that i have one of those Oct 29 12:31:20 you bought one of those things? or was it the giveaway at the yocto-foo? Oct 29 12:36:28 dm8tbr: do i look like someone who would buy them? Oct 29 12:37:11 I'm pondering one of those quark things Oct 29 12:37:21 should be up for ordering soon Oct 29 12:39:18 i dont think that's a good idea Oct 29 12:39:34 how many times has intel tried to come up with some embedded stuff? Oct 29 12:39:41 5 times? 10 times? 20 times? Oct 29 12:39:50 none of them survived the second year Oct 29 12:42:43 well, they are really pushing it this time, so I'm kinda curious Oct 29 12:43:38 they were "really pushing" the i386ex as well Oct 29 12:43:53 i even have an 80c188ea at home Oct 29 12:47:03 k Oct 29 12:47:33 well maybe someone at intel will be pushing so desperately that I get one for free ;) Oct 29 13:08:34 getting eth0 failures on a beagleboard xM Rev C1, here's the relevant portions of dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6323865/ Oct 29 13:08:50 anyone know if I can fix that anyway other than rebooting? Oct 29 13:09:32 hmm... Oct 29 13:09:49 i'm not that sure, but i'd say you should not get these errors at all Oct 29 13:09:58 and i have no idea what their cause could be Oct 29 13:10:01 * KotH pokes dm8tbr Oct 29 13:10:15 lol Oct 29 13:10:18 yes Oct 29 13:10:19 grüezi NishanthMenon Oct 29 13:10:32 I thought I shouldn't get those errors Oct 29 13:10:34 KotH, GM :) Oct 29 13:11:07 NishanthMenon: are you an omap expert? can you have a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6323865/ for honestly Oct 29 13:11:29 KotH, not on USB :) Oct 29 13:11:33 IIRC USB on OMAP3 is problematic in general and ETH is on USB Oct 29 13:11:50 so yeah, it can possibly break now and then Oct 29 13:12:07 NishanthMenon: and there i thought you were an expert on everything ;) Oct 29 13:12:08 running koen's latest kernel may or may not help Oct 29 13:12:13 if it is a newer kernel, might be good to report on linux-usb and linux-omap mailing list :) Oct 29 13:12:30 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/GWN3j0rVB5M/RkFzQzwo_IAJ Oct 29 13:12:40 sounds like that's my problem Oct 29 13:13:56 honestly, your nick is confusing me Oct 29 13:14:26 honestly? Oct 29 13:14:38 yes, honestly Oct 29 13:15:06 I screwed up my serial connection >.< Oct 29 13:15:12 how do I reset it? Oct 29 13:15:18 (using minicom) Oct 29 13:15:56 * KotH does not use minicom Oct 29 13:16:22 I'm fine with anything else that will reset whatever's broken Oct 29 13:16:23 minicom is "bloat" to be used as a simple terminal client Oct 29 13:16:25 (if it isn't a reboot) Oct 29 13:16:27 try picocom instead Oct 29 13:16:32 lol Oct 29 13:16:41 minicom is good if you are working with dial-ups and a real modem Oct 29 13:16:49 it was invented for that purpose Oct 29 13:16:54 what's wrong with screen? Oct 29 13:17:15 panto: C-A does not work ;) Oct 29 13:17:25 C-A-A does Oct 29 13:17:51 * KotH reconfigured C-A to C-Z Oct 29 13:17:57 for obvious reasons ;) Oct 29 13:18:04 how do I configure picocom correctly for beagle board? Oct 29 13:18:25 picocom -b /dev/the/tty/you/ought/to/be/using Oct 29 13:18:39 what baudrate for a beagleboard xM? Oct 29 13:18:44 dunno Oct 29 13:18:50 9600? 115200? Oct 29 13:18:50 and how do I kill picocom Oct 29 13:18:58 115200 I think Oct 29 13:19:02 have you had a look at the manpage? Oct 29 13:19:05 yes Oct 29 13:19:14 then look again ;) Oct 29 13:20:35 mrgh Oct 29 13:21:15 hollo sir Oct 29 13:21:22 still broken Oct 29 13:21:27 helloooooo Oct 29 13:21:28 no output on terminal Oct 29 13:21:55 ): Oct 29 13:21:58 oh well Oct 29 13:22:00 i have some quation Oct 29 13:22:06 reset button exists for a reason right Oct 29 13:23:04 hellooooo Oct 29 13:23:21 hiiiiii Oct 29 13:23:22 I resized the gnome-terminal that minicom was running in Oct 29 13:23:25 that killed it :/ Oct 29 13:23:29 lol Oct 29 13:23:29 why does that happen? Oct 29 13:23:32 it's gnome Oct 29 13:23:42 ok Oct 29 13:23:49 and by "killed" I mean fucked up the board Oct 29 13:23:56 so it stopped sending anything on serial Oct 29 13:24:00 i have some doudt Oct 29 13:24:41 hellooooo Oct 29 13:25:32 honestly: probably gnome term send some controll characters to tell the application that the terminal size got changed, which minicom passed on in a way or other, and fucked up the terminal server on the other side Oct 29 13:25:55 pankaj__: do not doubt the Delicious Chocolate Troll! Oct 29 13:34:23 KotH: yeah... Oct 29 14:43:46 Hi. Oct 29 14:44:30 shalom Oct 29 14:45:00 Guten tag. Oct 29 14:47:02 Hmm... or actually, what should I use? Oct 29 14:47:14 Ciao? Szervus? Oct 29 14:47:47 hoi zäme Oct 29 14:47:50 :) Oct 29 14:48:00 JIHAD does also work Oct 29 14:48:24 Is that a new one? Oct 29 14:48:33 Umm... unicode! Where's that enabled... Oct 29 15:49:16 I'm having a problem :( Just flashed my BBB with the latest image, and it works great, except ethernet. It doesn't get an IP and I can't find where to configure it Oct 29 15:49:25 i have no /etc/network/interfaces Oct 29 15:53:24 I can ssh to 192.168.7.2, but can't get eth0 up or configured Oct 29 15:53:28 agentsnazz: it uses connman Oct 29 15:54:52 i was reading that, shouldn't I see "ethernet..." in /var/lib/connman? Oct 29 15:55:22 only thing in there is settings Oct 29 15:56:26 and settings says Wired is enabled Oct 29 17:00:44 nom nom nom Oct 29 17:03:35 * KotH steals some of bradfa cookies Oct 29 17:04:14 * bradfa goes to store to buy more cookies Oct 29 17:07:09 hi all! i would like to modify the group and access rights of the '/sys/class/leds/beaglebone:green:usr0/brightness' and '/trigger' files of my beaglebone black, running debian. i already tried to add a udev rule with SUBSYSTEMS=="leds*", but that didn't work at all.. is there an easy way to do that? Oct 29 17:08:10 the problem is that on every reboot the access rights are reset to default, this is what i want to change Oct 29 17:39:52 I'm having problems getting my BBB to connect via ethernet. It has no IP and I can't figure out how to configure it Oct 29 17:40:13 I understand I'm supposed to use connman, but I either don't understand connman or it's broke Oct 29 17:42:31 agentsnazz: Angstrom or some other distro? Oct 29 17:42:57 Angstrom, the latest, just flashed it today. with this exception, it's running great. Oct 29 17:43:04 agentsnazz: Not sure about angstrom, but you could try to set it manually with ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ? Oct 29 17:44:07 agentsnazz: Or maybe try rolling back to a previous flasher image? Oct 29 17:45:45 ooh, that might have worked :/ Oct 29 17:48:13 close, but no cigar, though I think I'm running into standard linux problems that I'm best to google. I've got my ip and subnet mask set, and I can ping from another device. Just need to set default gateway Oct 29 17:48:22 I"m used to doing all that via /etc/network/interfaces Oct 29 17:49:30 agentsnazz: how is your Beagle plugged into the Network? Is it connected to a device that has NAT and a DHCP server? Oct 29 17:50:22 agentsnazz: If you plug into a device like that, I think the image should come up and be assigned an IP automatically. Oct 29 18:21:07 jbdatko: I'm plugged in to a switch which is on a network with a dhcp server, it should have picked that up but did not. Oct 29 20:08:32 hola! Oct 29 20:10:16 helo Oct 29 20:12:56 when running android Jb4.2.2. in beagleboneblack, what is the sequence of user leds? Oct 29 20:13:21 no android here sorry Oct 29 20:14:02 but if it is running on the BBB Oct 29 20:15:21 i mean i'm not running android on my BBB Oct 29 20:16:53 some android king Oct 29 20:17:02 i've got android on my phone Oct 29 21:03:13 good day letoThe2nd Oct 29 21:08:04 someone who has installed android 4.2.2 JB "texas instrumens" in the "BBB"??¡ Oct 29 22:06:18 hi Oct 29 22:06:32 Is there's a recommended distribution for the beaglebone ? Oct 29 22:06:54 angstrom ? Oct 29 22:07:06 Why that distribution over others that might work for that board ? Oct 29 22:19:11 someone who has installed android 4.2.2 JB "texas instrumens" in the "BBB"??¡ Oct 29 22:41:50 Running Angstrom on Beaglebone Black and all is working well. Looking to play with a USB cell modem. Is the Sakis3G script still the "crutch" of choice? Oct 29 23:02:53 hola Oct 29 23:02:58 help me please Oct 29 23:07:50 <_av500_> ola, state your problem¡ Oct 29 23:16:08 * ds2 tosses a life preserved shaped scooby snack around the channel Oct 29 23:23:18 Hello everyone, I was writing on SSH while connected to my Beaglebone black when I got "Connection to host lost" message and found out that my BBB has no power anymore. I tried replugging in the BBB to my computer, tried restarting my computer, still no power, no user or power leds flashing. Interesting thing is when I connect to my computer, the power led flashes very dimly and goes back off. It doesn't do with the 5V power supply t Oct 29 23:30:51 who wants a gigabit Ethernet cape for the BBB? Oct 29 23:35:28 N2TOH: you'd be struggling to pull that off. Oct 29 23:37:45 is the ethernet on the BBB hosted on the usb core? Oct 29 23:38:54 no. Oct 29 23:39:02 its done properly. Oct 29 23:39:45 then an additional ethernet cape if done well would make the BBB suitable as a router Oct 29 23:39:53 * honestly wants that Oct 29 23:40:04 ethernet plus SATA? Oct 29 23:46:46 Are there working audio drivers for audio over HDMI for the BeagleBone Black? I found a video of it seeming to work, but there's no further information. Oct 29 23:47:04 yes, but it is mode dependent... only CEA modes support audio Oct 29 23:47:17 I found something on the TI wiki that seems to indicate that it should be possible on 3.2, but it doesn't look like there are drivers for >3.2? Oct 29 23:47:30 What are CEA modes? Oct 29 23:47:47 look for the modes with (Audio) at http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack_HDMI Oct 29 23:47:50 My TV doesn't like it when I have HDMI set to most modes, other than I think 640x480 :/ Oct 29 23:47:58 oh I see Oct 29 23:48:10 looks like I won't be able to do it on my TV then Oct 29 23:50:25 I'll try it with a different TV, then. My monitor supports other resolutions but doesn't have audio :/ Oct 29 23:50:40 Also, I'm assuming graphics drivers don't exist for 3.12 yet? Oct 29 23:50:49 (apart from raw framebuffer) Oct 29 23:53:20 jkridner|work: are you techcon'ing this year? Oct 29 23:54:15 ds2: nope. Oct 30 01:00:45 Anyone home? Oct 30 01:04:50 if you have a question, just ask it Oct 30 01:44:01 Would you recommend an audio out cape with a HDMI to DVI, or an adapter with audio built in? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 30 02:59:58 2013