**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 20 02:59:58 2013
Nov 20 03:03:28 <riskable> OK sweet:  I've got a new Gate One 1.2 package up and running.  Any beta testers?
Nov 20 03:04:15 <riskable> I actually have three .ipks that need to be tested:  Updated gateone, updated python-tornado, and a new python-futures ipk
Nov 20 03:23:55 <riskable> ...aaaaand my updated version of Gate One has been submitted:  http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/62017/
Nov 20 03:27:05 <prpplague> riskable: don't look for it to be included in the default image for black
Nov 20 03:27:39 <riskable> prpplague: Why not?
Nov 20 03:28:18 <prpplague> riskable: one because we removed gate one from builds ages ago, and two we are moving away from angstrom as the default in image
Nov 20 03:28:37 <riskable> prpplague: Ahh, I see.  What are you using as the default now?
Nov 20 03:28:48 * prpplague can't comment on that currently
Nov 20 03:29:04 <riskable> Oh, I didn't know it was a secret, sorry :)
Nov 20 03:29:29 <riskable> I'm going to assume Ubuntu or OpenSUSE or something stranger than Angstrom because, well, Red Hat doesn't seem to give a damn about embedded
Nov 20 03:30:09 <prpplague> riskable: redhat has a arm fedora build
Nov 20 03:30:20 <riskable> Well, Gate One is going to be available via pip soon so it should be available to install on just about everything except Windows
Nov 20 03:30:34 <riskable> prpplague: Yeah?  Never heard of it
Nov 20 03:31:14 <prpplague> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F20/Installation#For_the_BeagleBone_Black
Nov 20 03:31:43 <riskable> What are you using instead of Gate One for a web-based terminal?  It will also have X11 support soon too
Nov 20 03:32:19 <prpplague> riskable: there is no plans to, it was (imho) at a total disaster both in functionality and for support
Nov 20 03:32:48 <riskable> Yeah?  Wish I knew I would've updated it sooner
Nov 20 03:32:56 <riskable> Older browsers?
Nov 20 03:33:21 <prpplague> riskable: all kinds of troubles
Nov 20 03:33:37 <prpplague> riskable: we had tons of people calling for support on it
Nov 20 03:40:36 <jonpry> what is going to be the new default distro?
Nov 20 03:41:55 <jonpry> ^^ prpplague
Nov 20 03:42:23 * prpplague can't comment on that currently
Nov 20 03:42:49 <jonpry> :(  well debian ftw
Nov 20 03:43:13 <thews> debian would be nice
Nov 20 03:54:03 <saturnine> Hello all.
Nov 20 03:54:40 <saturnine> Is anyone available to answer a question or two?
Nov 20 03:55:18 <Ferris> shoot
Nov 20 03:56:28 <saturnine> Thanks.  I recently learned of the Beaglebone Black and was wondering if there are opinions on the best place to purchase one.  The listed distributors seem to be either out of stock or based out of the US.
Nov 20 03:57:21 <prpplague> saturnine: there are hundreds of distributors all over the world
Nov 20 03:57:30 <prpplague> saturnine: you can find one via the beagleboard.org website
Nov 20 03:57:55 <prpplague> saturnine: with that said, all the major ones have just receive shipments which have not made it into inventory yet
Nov 20 03:58:02 <prpplague> saturnine: where are you located?
Nov 20 03:58:07 <saturnine> THat is where I've been looking.  They have a dropdown that I've gone through and have had no luck tonight.
Nov 20 03:58:14 <saturnine> I'm in California.
Nov 20 03:58:38 <saturnine> IF it's just a case of timing then I'll try again in a couple of days.
Nov 20 03:59:01 <jonpry> so you want one in the US?
Nov 20 03:59:19 <prpplague> saturnine: if you are in the US, then you can easily order from boardzoo.com
Nov 20 03:59:24 <thews> prpplague: is the mystery distro on the new shipments? :D
Nov 20 03:59:24 <ds2> '
Nov 20 03:59:28 <saturnine> Yes... currency conversion and shipping make it impractical to shop outside of the lower 48.
Nov 20 03:59:39 <prpplague> thews: no
Nov 20 04:00:02 <prpplague> saturnine: just go through boardzoo.com
Nov 20 04:00:08 <thews> prpplague: does the mystery distro run a newer kernel ?
Nov 20 04:00:30 <saturnine> Thanks.  I'v enot heard of them but will try them now.
Nov 20 04:00:33 <saturnine> BRB
Nov 20 04:00:33 <prpplague> thews: llike i said, i can't comment on anything at this time other than another distro is being considered
Nov 20 04:00:57 <prpplague> saturnine: boardzoo.com is the retail sight for the manufacturers of the beaglebone black
Nov 20 04:01:26 <thews> prpplague: alright :D  angstrom is verrrrry slow on running updates, I know debian can be a pain to package for
Nov 20 04:07:17 <saturnine> I can't find them on boardzoo.com.  They have lots of capes and accessories for it, but do not seem to have the BeagleBone Black itself.  I'm guessing that if others have purchased there then it's inventory, though I would think it should show on their site and then have 0 available, not be unlisted as a product.
Nov 20 04:07:33 <prpplague> saturnine: hehe we have it
Nov 20 04:07:37 * prpplague checks the website
Nov 20 04:08:53 <prpplague> saturnine: hmm indeed, there appears to be an error there
Nov 20 04:08:55 <thews> wow, even the place I bought mine is out of stock
Nov 20 04:09:22 <thews> all amazon sellers are out too
Nov 20 04:09:30 <thews> unless you want to spend $10 more
Nov 20 04:09:33 <prpplague> thews: we've been selling as fast as we can make them
Nov 20 04:09:37 <saturnine> That might be what happens when it hits the NPR programs (I think it was NPR I heard about it).
Nov 20 04:09:53 <thews> prpplague: that's good news
Nov 20 04:10:08 <saturnine> I'm happy for you, but sad for me.
Nov 20 04:10:11 <prpplague> saturnine: oh? i had not heard
Nov 20 04:10:19 <prpplague> saturnine: see /msg
Nov 20 04:10:53 <thews> prpplague: I tested hdmi audio earlier with the lapdock it worked nicely.  I didn't need to use the resolutions that I saw in the forum / wiki that said it had to be CEA resolutions
Nov 20 04:10:58 <saturnine> I don't understand
Nov 20 04:11:28 <saturnine> OIC
Nov 20 04:11:30 <saturnine> got it
Nov 20 04:11:35 <thews> prpplague: also I found out that you have to cut 5v+ on usb for usb to work for the host port
Nov 20 04:11:46 <thews> that wasn't documented anywhere
Nov 20 04:32:03 <saturnine> Thanks again.  Bye.
Nov 20 05:36:20 <pvk> hi
Nov 20 05:37:04 <av500> pvk: why the PM? you gonna offer me money?
Nov 20 05:38:03 <pvk> no
Nov 20 05:42:59 <myself> that was odd
Nov 20 05:43:53 <myself> the web gateway should open up with like some flash animation that hypnotizes lusers and subconsciously imbues them with clue and sense enough to navigate IRC
Nov 20 06:13:04 <ColinHarrington> Hi, I'm contemplating getting a BeagleBoneBlack on a project but can't find much about boot times.  Can anyone share with me how long their BBB takes to boot to functional code?
Nov 20 06:14:23 <av500> how long do you need?
Nov 20 06:15:52 <ColinHarrington> Quicker is better, I'd like it to be under 10 seconds if possible
Nov 20 06:16:09 <av500> doable
Nov 20 06:16:16 <ds2> it boots to functional code in less then a second for me
Nov 20 06:17:11 <av500> blinking cursor in uboot does not count! :)
Nov 20 06:17:20 <ColinHarrington> to a Linux environment?
Nov 20 06:17:22 <ds2> it is functional
Nov 20 06:17:23 <ds2> :D
Nov 20 06:17:37 <ds2> are you are telling the u-boot folks their code is not functional? :)
Nov 20 06:18:00 <ds2> av500: heard you have one of those new OSK5912 OMAP5 boards? ;)
Nov 20 06:18:02 <ColinHarrington> USB Audio -> App (python) FFT -> USB protocol -> Teensy 3.0 -> LED Strips
Nov 20 06:18:23 <ColinHarrington> that is what I'm thinking
Nov 20 06:18:31 <av500> yes
Nov 20 06:18:34 <av500> should be doable
Nov 20 06:19:03 <ds2> but seriously, you can do it in less then 1-2 second
Nov 20 06:19:03 <ColinHarrington> I'm assuming I'd have to use the 2GB emmc space for it
Nov 20 06:19:13 <ColinHarrington> how?
Nov 20 06:19:13 <ds2> unless you want to call joel a lair ;)
Nov 20 06:19:41 <ds2> same way you fastboot any other platform
Nov 20 06:19:46 <av500> ColinHarrington: you can do the same from sd card
Nov 20 06:19:53 <ds2> avoid wasting time during boot up
Nov 20 06:20:01 <ds2> init once, run many
Nov 20 06:20:15 <ColinHarrington> How does that work?
Nov 20 06:20:39 <ColinHarrington> snapshot of a running system on an SD card?
Nov 20 06:20:44 <ds2> yes
Nov 20 06:21:00 <av500> ColinHarrington: you get <10s also without a snapshot
Nov 20 06:21:05 <ds2> init is a waste of time. try to do as little of that as you can
Nov 20 06:21:30 <ds2> av500: even with USB ? :D
Nov 20 06:21:43 <ColinHarrington> I've got USB & Audio to get working in that time
Nov 20 06:21:51 <sid> How can I change the default bootargs? I'm running debian image, can I simply edit the /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt?
Nov 20 06:22:00 <av500> ds2: can you pre-boot usb?
Nov 20 06:22:13 <ColinHarrington> ds2: do you have an example on how to do that?
Nov 20 06:22:17 <ds2> sure
Nov 20 06:22:37 <ds2> i will after i get this custom board working :D
Nov 20 06:22:49 <ColinHarrington> I'm a Linux user, what distro/image, etc. should I be looking at?
Nov 20 06:38:23 <ColinHarrington> av500: how do I get <10s without a snapshot?
Nov 20 06:41:25 <av500> the stock angstrom might boot <10s already
Nov 20 06:41:36 <av500> if you just boot into command line
Nov 20 07:11:36 <LetoThe2nd> just disable serial console ;)
Nov 20 07:22:14 <dm8tbr> just boot into 'init' where init is a binary that toggles a led.
Nov 20 07:24:01 <LetoThe2nd> link that binary statically into your u-boot.
Nov 20 07:28:54 <vamc19> Hello! I just bought a Beaglebone Black and I'm trying to install debian on it with Sandisk 8Gb Ultra.
Nov 20 07:29:17 <vamc19> But nothing happens when I power the board after pressing boot button
Nov 20 07:30:00 <vamc19> No matter how long I hold the Boot button, only power led is lit.
Nov 20 07:31:18 <vamc19> Any ways to debug?
Nov 20 07:33:11 <LetoThe2nd> vamc19: a) make sure you used the sd card as a block device, not the partition
Nov 20 07:33:23 <LetoThe2nd> vamc19: b) use the serial debug cable and watch output.
Nov 20 07:36:10 <vamc19> LetoThe2nd: How can I make sure that the sdcard is a block device. I'm just using 'dd' command.
Nov 20 07:38:49 <LetoThe2nd> vamc19: well what did you dd to?
Nov 20 07:41:24 <vamc19> I've plugged it to the SD card adapter and placed it in my laptop's integrated card reader. Then I dd to /dev/sdb.
Nov 20 07:42:48 <LetoThe2nd> sdb sounds fine.
Nov 20 07:46:00 <NovaKitty> is there an easy way to have angstrom set the clock using the internets at some point during boot?
Nov 20 07:47:06 <LetoThe2nd> NovaKitty: http://derekmolloy.ie/automatically-setting-the-beaglebone-black-time-using-ntp/
Nov 20 07:48:55 <NovaKitty> thank you
Nov 20 08:12:27 <NovaKitty> So I ran a full opkg upgrade while running off the eMMC.  It seems it's run out of space while installing.
Nov 20 08:13:49 <av500> yes, dont do that
Nov 20 08:14:52 <NovaKitty> the first time i tried it i had no display, but it didn't go well.  I had to reflash, but i guess i was curious.
Nov 20 08:15:01 <das> NovaKitty: you might trick it by giving /tmp as a dl folder IIRC
Nov 20 08:15:25 <NovaKitty> oh interesting..on the sd or a HD i assume
Nov 20 08:15:50 <das> maybe this option, do check though: --tmp-dir
Nov 20 08:16:15 <NovaKitty> cool that sounds easy, thank you
Nov 20 08:16:49 <NovaKitty> i think in the long run i want to boot from the eMMC or SD and run the filesystem off a USB HD
Nov 20 08:19:20 * woglinde wonders why jkridner and prpplague do not fix the angstroem repo
Nov 20 08:29:16 <das> glorious day, I have an oil leak on my car and a memory leak in our firmware \o/
Nov 20 08:32:10 * KotH blames the french
Nov 20 08:36:00 <das> they always blame the french :(
Nov 20 08:36:20 <av500> mais biensur!
Nov 20 08:37:24 <KotH> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/246
Nov 20 08:39:28 <av500> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/59
Nov 20 08:39:30 <das> KotH: so ... I laughed out loud, my boss looked at the quote and asked me to explain ... thank you for that
Nov 20 08:40:10 <KotH> you are welcome :-D
Nov 20 08:40:13 <KotH> what did you tell him?
Nov 20 08:40:41 <das> told him it's only geeks think it's funny
Nov 20 08:41:15 <av500> meh
Nov 20 08:41:15 <KotH> you work for a non-geek boss? and are french too? poor you!
Nov 20 08:41:40 <LetoThe2nd> concerning quotes, i tried to praise the "inanimate carbon rod" in our yesterdays dev meeting.
Nov 20 08:42:18 <das> there are very few geek bosses out there in big companies
Nov 20 08:43:16 <das> either they have good organizing skills and become project leader, or suck at technical aspects and still end up managing a team :)
Nov 20 08:43:47 <das> at least my boss has good organizational skills
Nov 20 08:43:56 <KotH> LetoThe2nd: and? what was the reaction? :)
Nov 20 08:44:04 <LetoThe2nd> KotH: blank stares.
Nov 20 08:44:08 <KotH> 0_o
Nov 20 08:44:15 <KotH> LetoThe2nd: is your boss french?
Nov 20 08:44:22 <LetoThe2nd> KotH: nope.
Nov 20 08:44:39 <das> hey we ain't the ones who took angstrom.com down !
Nov 20 08:44:54 <KotH> no, that were the terrorists
Nov 20 08:45:02 <das> blame the admins, no one ever got kicked for blaming the admins
Nov 20 08:45:07 <KotH> undermining the national security trough their sneaky attacks
Nov 20 08:45:23 <woglinde> das you are wrong
Nov 20 08:45:27 * KotH kicks das 
Nov 20 08:45:32 <KotH> he definitly is
Nov 20 08:45:39 <das> I'll have you know we have mass shootings too, some guy fired one shot in Paris on monday
Nov 20 08:45:52 <woglinde> das only one?
Nov 20 08:46:09 <das> that's a mass shooting per our standards
Nov 20 08:46:35 <LetoThe2nd> office-rofl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lqXNlI1rk
Nov 20 08:47:39 <av500> +1
Nov 20 08:47:45 <av500> fwd'd to the frenchies :)
Nov 20 09:18:17 <losttt> Hi, I am using BBxM. I have connected a sensor on the i2c 2 bus. i2cget -y -r 2 gives me the address of the i2c device attached (0x68). i2cdump -y 2 0x68 gives me the register map, which is not accurate as per the datasheet. dmesg shows that it failed to register the i2c client. any leads?
Nov 20 09:20:37 <losttt> any help would be appreciated.
Nov 20 09:29:07 <losttt> reposting : Hi, I am using BBxM. I have connected a sensor on the i2c 2 bus. i2cget -y -r 2 gives me the address of the i2c device attached (0x68). i2cdump -y 2 0x68 gives me the register map, which is not accurate as per the datasheet. dmesg shows that it failed to register the i2c client. any leads?
Nov 20 09:51:33 <losttt> reposting : Hi, I am using BBxM. I have connected a sensor on the i2c 2 bus. i2cget -y -r 2 gives me the address of the i2c device attached (0x68). i2cdump -y 2 0x68 gives me the register map, which is not accurate as per the datasheet. dmesg shows that it failed to register the i2c client. any leads?
Nov 20 09:54:13 <LetoThe2nd> losttt: no need to repost it a 4th time - probably nobody knows right now.
Nov 20 09:54:45 <losttt> LetoThe2nd: yeah. :/
Nov 20 09:54:53 <LetoThe2nd> losttt: rather use the time to investigate closer, maybe by poking the device directly instead of using pre-made tools like i2cget.
Nov 20 09:55:07 <LetoThe2nd> -> /dev/i2c is your friend
Nov 20 09:55:21 <losttt> i am working on that.
Nov 20 10:07:32 <m8> Hi, i can use P8_3 for blink a led in Angstrom?
Nov 20 10:12:18 <LetoThe2nd> m8: technically yes, if you are not using mmc1 (according to http://www.embedded-things.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/P8.png)
Nov 20 10:14:10 <m8> LetoThe2nd, mmc is the integrated flash memory?
Nov 20 10:15:20 <LetoThe2nd> m8: not sure. i personally would go to p9-14 or p9-16, i'm relatively sure they are free.
Nov 20 10:16:55 <m8> LetoThe2nd, good but if i need many pins?
Nov 20 10:17:20 <LetoThe2nd> m8: then you have to evaluate the documentation.
Nov 20 10:18:21 <m8> LetoThe2nd, good
Nov 20 10:18:35 <m8> LetoThe2nd, i don't need the hdmi output
Nov 20 10:18:55 <LetoThe2nd> thanks for telling us.
Nov 20 10:19:35 <m8> LetoThe2nd, np do you have used hdmi pins for other?
Nov 20 10:19:56 <LetoThe2nd> no.
Nov 20 10:21:02 <m8> thanks for telling us.
Nov 20 10:21:55 <LetoThe2nd> well you asked. (*thats* the difference :P )
Nov 20 10:22:57 <m8> thanks anyway
Nov 20 12:26:49 <ezequielg> it seems there's some patches pending at mainline for USB and MMC to work. maybe some of joel's regulator DT patches? anyone can point me at them?
Nov 20 12:28:43 <woglinde> ezequielg I saw some patches for musb this week for 13
Nov 20 12:28:50 <woglinde> on the arm-ml
Nov 20 12:28:59 <woglinde> aehm linux kernel arm ml
Nov 20 12:30:57 <ezequielg> ok, linux-next for today has support for MMC
Nov 20 12:30:59 <ogra_> woglinde, what went upstream is apparently not enough
Nov 20 12:31:00 <ezequielg> good!
Nov 20 12:31:01 <ogra_> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg96917.html
Nov 20 12:31:24 <ezequielg> so maybe it wasn't properly configured on my side
Nov 20 12:31:29 <ezequielg> but now is working
Nov 20 12:32:16 <ezequielg> ogra_: ah, thanks! that one might remove the lockdep warning. i'll take a look
Nov 20 12:32:34 <ezequielg> oh boy, i would love to start using mainline and drop this monster TI kernel
Nov 20 12:37:23 <somesomething> Would it be possible to develop a video decoding cape for the bbb?
Nov 20 12:38:19 <somesomething> or does that sound like a crazy man speaking
Nov 20 12:39:58 <av500> glue a r-pi on top
Nov 20 12:40:15 <av500> just decode video is no enough
Nov 20 12:40:21 <av500> BBB has only 16bit video out
Nov 20 12:40:31 <av500> so you need a separate HDMI out
Nov 20 12:41:41 <somesomething> I'll glue another hdmi on the cape, no biggie
Nov 20 12:43:19 <Anguel> hm, why do I have the impression that I have to use an RPi for any serious work :)
Nov 20 12:43:38 <ogra_> you dont
Nov 20 12:44:13 <ogra_> for serious work you use BBB ...
Nov 20 12:44:15 <av500> if serious work means decoding hd video, yes
Nov 20 12:44:19 <av500> it was made for that
Nov 20 12:44:33 <ogra_> right, thats almost the only thing it can do well
Nov 20 12:44:54 <av500> as long as the video is not stored on usb stick :)
Nov 20 12:44:57 <somesomething> I like to abuse hardware, so I want to exploit the bbb and have full hd video decoding
Nov 20 12:45:04 <av500> or streamed over usb networking
Nov 20 12:45:11 <ogra_> :)
Nov 20 12:45:12 <av500> somesomething: then add an rpi
Nov 20 12:45:28 <av500> though, how to get the hd video into the rpi?
Nov 20 12:45:29 <av500> SPI?
Nov 20 12:45:31 <av500> I2C?
Nov 20 12:45:34 <av500> bitbanging?
Nov 20 12:45:39 <somesomething> BITBANGING
Nov 20 12:45:43 <av500> ok
Nov 20 12:45:50 <ogra_> ultrasonic from speaker to mic
Nov 20 12:45:51 <Anguel> the BBB is wonderful, but only in theory - it does has a buggy unsupported OS and not even a working 3D chip
Nov 20 12:45:52 * av500 turns on the solder station
Nov 20 12:46:04 <av500> Anguel: sell it on ebay
Nov 20 12:46:21 <av500> or donate it
Nov 20 12:46:26 <Anguel> just sharing my impressions
Nov 20 12:46:30 <ogra_> it has a very well working 3D chip afaik
Nov 20 12:46:44 <Anguel> and hoping that some day in the future things will get better
Nov 20 12:46:47 <ogra_> just no video decoder
Nov 20 12:46:55 <somesomething> start by making it better yourself
Nov 20 12:48:41 <Anguel> sure, I will write a driver for TI, will write a new kernel, update and fix Angstrom
Nov 20 12:48:54 <somesomething> and thank you for doing that
Nov 20 12:49:07 <somesomething> but please collaborate with the existing products first :)
Nov 20 12:49:31 <Anguel> no problem, I have to support companies like TI which can't afford a developer or two
Nov 20 12:50:14 <Anguel> and make wrong decisions on top of that
Nov 20 12:52:06 <somesomething> doesn't the BBB's soc support neon?
Nov 20 12:52:22 <Anguel> probably they will now completely drop the BBB in favor of the Arduino Tre...
Nov 20 12:52:49 <Anguel> somesomething: it does
Nov 20 12:53:08 <av500> somesomething: it does
Nov 20 12:53:11 <somesomething> can't one use neon for video decoding then?
Nov 20 12:54:27 <Anguel> btw, any news if koen will ever come back?
Nov 20 12:54:46 <somesomething> in the trd it says the soc supports neon
Nov 20 12:54:58 <somesomething> and I know certain situations where neon is used for decoding video
Nov 20 12:55:16 <Anguel> somesomething: then it should work, at least in theory :)
Nov 20 12:55:57 <Anguel> somesomething: afaik, you need to use the Angstrom to get neon support
Nov 20 12:56:09 <av500> somesomething: no
Nov 20 12:56:12 <av500> neon is not enough
Nov 20 12:56:23 <av500> you cannot decode h264 HD with neon alone
Nov 20 12:56:29 <av500> at 1ghz
Nov 20 13:00:39 <KotH> you can, if it's stamp sized video, like the old old .rm files :)
Nov 20 13:01:04 <Anguel> just ordered a nexus 5 for video decoding ;)
Nov 20 13:03:06 <woglinde> Anguel ask koen himself he is still on irc
Nov 20 13:03:30 <ogra_> he is in #lianro
Nov 20 13:03:40 <woglinde> and #oe
Nov 20 13:04:16 <woglinde> or just use /msg which could be a bad idea
Nov 20 13:04:18 <somesomething> ah I see, neon is sort of a supporting element in decoding
Nov 20 13:04:28 <woglinde> p.O
Nov 20 13:04:38 <Anguel> a ok, so he has only left #beagle
Nov 20 13:05:02 <av500> you dont need to use Angstrom to use neon
Nov 20 13:05:09 <av500> works as will in other linux distros
Nov 20 13:05:34 <woglinde> av500 I have the feeling he did not understand what neon does
Nov 20 13:05:42 <Anguel> av500: if i remember correctly, ubuntu / debian didn't support it
Nov 20 13:05:54 <av500> there is nothing to "support"
Nov 20 13:05:57 <av500> the CPU does already
Nov 20 13:06:21 <Anguel> the compiler?
Nov 20 13:06:27 <woglinde> anguel yes
Nov 20 13:06:28 <av500> gcc?
Nov 20 13:06:38 <av500> you dont need the compiler
Nov 20 13:06:39 <ogra_> in ubuntu NEON is supported in libs that can do runtime detection of it
Nov 20 13:06:44 <av500> you write neon in asm anyway
Nov 20 13:06:58 <woglinde> av500 hm really?
Nov 20 13:07:03 <ogra_> all other binaries are built without it by default
Nov 20 13:07:07 <av500> of course debian for armv5 does not "support" neon
Nov 20 13:07:17 <av500> its like taking country roads and ignoring highways
Nov 20 13:07:22 <ogra_> av500, the binary libs dont do it either ...
Nov 20 13:07:30 <ogra_> (on armhf)
Nov 20 13:07:32 <av500> your loss
Nov 20 13:07:33 <woglinde> av500 which is perfect for armv5 socs
Nov 20 13:07:42 <av500> its 2013, just saying
Nov 20 13:07:48 <ogra_> av500, well, there are many server arches that dont have NEON
Nov 20 13:07:55 <av500> too bad
Nov 20 13:08:00 <ogra_> specifically marvell ones
Nov 20 13:08:21 <av500> otoh, you dont need neon to serve bits
Nov 20 13:08:27 <ogra_> right
Nov 20 13:08:39 <ogra_> well, for data analysis it surely helps to have it
Nov 20 13:09:02 <ogra_> which is what all the server PR people want you to do with arm
Nov 20 13:09:06 <av500> big data?
Nov 20 13:09:10 <somesomething> what if I were to invent some magic decoder that decodes 1080p h264 on current BBB hardware in real time
Nov 20 13:09:12 <ogra_> yeah
Nov 20 13:09:15 <somesomething> nobody has tried magic code
Nov 20 13:09:21 <av500> go ahead
Nov 20 13:09:34 <somesomething> only if you will send me cake when I do
Nov 20 13:09:41 <av500> deal
Nov 20 13:12:35 <av500> rpi this: http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/20/5125006/philips-desso-light-transmissive-carpets
Nov 20 13:13:24 <ogra_> cute
Nov 20 13:14:12 <KotH> i need those!
Nov 20 13:14:17 <KotH> nao!
Nov 20 13:17:32 <bareil76> hi all
Nov 20 13:17:53 <bareil76> is anybody on this channel?
Nov 20 13:18:21 * KotH is quite sure that nobody is on this channel
Nov 20 13:18:42 <ogra_> /whios nobody
Nov 20 13:18:47 <ogra_> bah
Nov 20 13:18:52 <ogra_> /whois nobody
Nov 20 13:20:02 <bareil76> alright
Nov 20 13:20:09 <bareil76> I am new here this is why
Nov 20 13:20:36 <bareil76> I am looking for some info on the beagle board.. can you help me?
Nov 20 13:21:15 <Anguel> nsa is always on this channel :)
Nov 20 13:21:24 <bareil76> :)
Nov 20 13:22:06 <bareil76> I usually work with microchip uC and have some question on the tools I need to start with beaglebone/TI processors
Nov 20 13:24:22 <Anguel> bareil76: you will have to learn linux, a lot of linux, and more time and patience than ever before
Nov 20 13:24:45 <bareil76> i already know linux
Nov 20 13:24:59 <bareil76> I was just wondering how to reprogram the board
Nov 20 13:25:44 <ogra_> bareil76, it usually runs a full linux
Nov 20 13:26:06 <bareil76> ok... but how do I put my program into this board?
Nov 20 13:26:07 <Anguel> then read on beagleboard.org - and the BBB is not an MCU, it is a whole computer that has its code on sd card or eMMC
Nov 20 13:26:11 <ogra_> so you reprogram like you would do on a linux PC or any other linux device
Nov 20 13:26:19 <bareil76> ok... cool
Nov 20 13:26:46 <bareil76> and what about the ti processor that are NOT packaged into a beagleboard?
Nov 20 13:27:49 <Anguel> bareil76: they will need an external sd card or emmc, so you need to make a board
Nov 20 13:28:10 <Anguel> you can't flash them with your code
Nov 20 13:28:31 <Anguel> as you can't flash a pc cpu :)
Nov 20 13:28:41 <bareil76> ok... :P
Nov 20 13:29:00 <bareil76> and what about the Jtag interface?
Nov 20 13:29:13 <bareil76> it can be use to debug?
Nov 20 13:29:39 <Anguel> probably yes, but you use gdb normally
Nov 20 13:29:50 <bareil76> gdb?
Nov 20 13:29:52 <Anguel> and debug through ethernet
Nov 20 13:30:07 <Anguel> gnu debugger
Nov 20 13:30:10 <bareil76> ok
Nov 20 13:30:43 <Anguel> maybe get a book about embedded linux, it is a completely different world than MCUs
Nov 20 13:30:59 <bareil76> I will do that
Nov 20 13:31:43 <Anguel> more complex and sometimes annoying, e.g. if you find out that something does not work
Nov 20 13:31:50 <bareil76> and what is the interface that you use to see the linux soft
Nov 20 13:31:51 <bareil76> ?¸
Nov 20 13:33:40 <ogra_> ssh, a serial terminal ... a local terminal if you attach monitor and kbd
Nov 20 13:33:49 <ogra_> whatever you like
Nov 20 13:33:54 <bareil76> ok.. nice
Nov 20 13:34:08 <bareil76> and one last question to unscramble it all....
Nov 20 13:35:01 <bareil76> what is the purpose of CCStudio ? If we are on a complete linux system... we can use any linux compilers (c, c++, Qt, etc)
Nov 20 13:35:21 <KotH> bareil76: get the "embedded linux primer"
Nov 20 13:35:25 <KotH> bareil76: you will need it
Nov 20 13:35:37 <Anguel> ccstudio is just an eclipse based ide
Nov 20 13:35:47 * ogra_ doesnt know CCStudio ... but yes, all linux compiler should just work 
Nov 20 13:35:53 <Anguel> you can also use qt creator etc
Nov 20 13:35:57 <ogra_> even fortran :P
Nov 20 13:36:04 <KotH> you should use vi
Nov 20 13:36:08 <ogra_> ++
Nov 20 13:36:12 <av500> ed
Nov 20 13:36:14 <bareil76> wow!!! I think I will like those processors.!!!
Nov 20 13:36:15 <KotH> it's an ethical editor
Nov 20 13:36:25 <bareil76> vi?
Nov 20 13:36:38 <ogra_> and ed is a talking horse
Nov 20 13:36:43 <Anguel> bareil76: I am sure you will hate them, but go on :)
Nov 20 13:36:47 <bareil76> lol
Nov 20 13:36:49 <av500> ogra_: +1
Nov 20 13:37:48 <bareil76> what is the hard part about those?
Nov 20 13:38:30 <KotH> the urge you'll feel in the beginning to use your mouse instead of leaving your hands on the keyboard
Nov 20 13:39:07 <bareil76> lol... I know linux therminal is a pain in the. *** sometime.. but if that is all.. I live with that
Nov 20 13:39:13 <bareil76> and what about the drivers?
Nov 20 13:39:25 <Anguel> complex hardware, complex hw, linux, kernel, differnces between linux distros, unpredictable latency, missing drivers, bugs
Nov 20 13:39:37 <Anguel> no support
Nov 20 13:39:44 <bareil76> lol
Nov 20 13:39:55 <Anguel> nobody who can help you, etc
Nov 20 13:40:09 <bareil76> there is a 4000 pages data sheet... it is not sufficient?
Nov 20 13:40:11 <bareil76> lol
Nov 20 13:40:20 <Anguel> it's only the cpu
Nov 20 13:40:28 <Anguel> haven't touch it yet :)
Nov 20 13:41:13 <Anguel> do you read the intel core cpu datasheets? :)
Nov 20 13:41:21 <bareil76> no
Nov 20 13:41:23 <bareil76> why?
Nov 20 13:41:40 <Anguel> most part of the cpu datasheet you don't need
Nov 20 13:41:46 <bareil76> ok
Nov 20 13:41:48 <bareil76> have you tried the TI  Shareware?
Nov 20 13:41:54 <Anguel> the problems are elsewhere
Nov 20 13:42:00 <bareil76> no.. I means Starterware
Nov 20 13:42:01 <Anguel> TI shareware?
Nov 20 13:42:09 <bareil76> Starterware
Nov 20 13:42:11 <bareil76> sorry
Nov 20 13:42:13 <KotH> Anguel: please, dont scare the n00bs
Nov 20 13:42:25 <KotH> Anguel: there is already enough to be scared of without you ;)
Nov 20 13:42:26 <Anguel> just telling from my experience
Nov 20 13:42:29 <bareil76> he is no scary me.. he is motivating me
Nov 20 13:42:35 <KotH> oh.. ok
Nov 20 13:42:40 <KotH> Anguel: keep on motivating!
Nov 20 13:42:41 <KotH> :)
Nov 20 13:42:43 <bareil76> lol
Nov 20 13:42:50 <Anguel> a no, from my experience with TI it is not worth trying their "software"
Nov 20 13:43:17 <bareil76> ok.. so you don't recommand CCStudio
Nov 20 13:43:22 <Anguel> they have sitara linux SDK but it uses an old kernel
Nov 20 13:43:49 <Anguel> ccstudio is a good ide for coding, at least for mcus
Nov 20 13:44:04 <Anguel> not tried it with linux
Nov 20 13:44:09 <bareil76> ok
Nov 20 13:44:28 <bareil76> they also have the windows CE .. maybe it is easier to work with
Nov 20 13:44:45 <Anguel> there you have to ask Microsoft
Nov 20 13:44:53 <bareil76> lol
Nov 20 13:44:54 <bareil76> ok
Nov 20 13:44:55 <Anguel> nobody here uses it
Nov 20 13:45:12 <Anguel> not that you will get much help with linux here :)
Nov 20 13:45:17 <bareil76> I will go on and order a beagle board ... install it, try it
Nov 20 13:45:33 <Anguel> yes there is no workaround :)
Nov 20 13:45:52 <bareil76> can't wait to put my hands on a therminal!!!
Nov 20 13:45:56 <bareil76> *terminal
Nov 20 13:46:20 <Anguel> just be prepared to get answers here like: go buy 10 linux books, read them and then come back
Nov 20 13:46:45 <bareil76> ahhhh... the usual forum type help
Nov 20 13:46:51 <Anguel> the problem is that those 10 books won't help you much
Nov 20 13:47:33 <Anguel> as most interesting things are not documented anywhere :)
Nov 20 13:47:52 <bareil76> so how do people even get things done?
Nov 20 13:52:06 <Anguel> well some of them have a lot of experience (not me)
Nov 20 13:52:22 <Anguel> and it depends what you mean by "things"
Nov 20 13:53:02 <Anguel> most people here don't seem to use Qt, USB, etc.
Nov 20 13:53:19 <somesomething> serial all the way baby
Nov 20 13:53:51 * av500 is posting this line from a Qt app
Nov 20 13:54:22 <somesomething> a cutie app
Nov 20 13:54:32 <KotH> av500: we already know that you formed some faustian packt, no need to tell us
Nov 20 13:55:26 <KotH> av500: http://sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4809
Nov 20 13:55:34 <somesomething> can't wait till I get my bbb
Nov 20 13:55:37 <somesomething> NEXT WEEK
Nov 20 13:55:49 <Anguel> somesomething: happy waiting :)
Nov 20 13:55:53 <somesomething> I'm going to do so much crazy shit
Nov 20 13:55:59 <somesomething> magic hd video decoders
Nov 20 13:56:04 <somesomething> vt220 terminals
Nov 20 13:56:19 <somesomething> and breadboars and shit
Nov 20 13:56:27 <riskable> somesomething: vt220 terminals?  What's that all about?
Nov 20 13:56:45 <somesomething> connecting a vt220 to the bbb
Nov 20 13:56:46 <av500> hmm, boar on bread sounds tasty
Nov 20 13:56:48 <somesomething> can you imagine that
Nov 20 13:56:52 * riskable wrote Gate One which emulates vt220 so he's curious
Nov 20 13:57:16 <KotH> av500: i'm with you, there!
Nov 20 13:57:35 <somesomething> perhaps I will even travel time with the bbb
Nov 20 13:57:48 <somesomething> wouldn't that be awesome for publicity
Nov 20 13:58:15 <somesomething> CRAZY MAN TRAVELS TIME WITH BEAGLEBONE BLACK BUY NOW!!!$$$$$
Nov 20 13:58:15 <Anguel> somesomething: please bring us a kernel with all TI drivers working from the future :)
Nov 20 13:59:31 <Anguel> ok, time traveling is crazy enough, so we should not expect even more fiction
Nov 20 13:59:55 <riskable> Anguel: Haha, love the comment about the drivers not working
Nov 20 14:00:00 <riskable> Ain't that the truth
Nov 20 14:00:09 <Anguel> sad but true
Nov 20 14:01:26 <Anguel> i see a big green device tree in my coffee cup
Nov 20 14:01:45 <Anguel> i see it in 3D :)
Nov 20 14:02:12 <somesomething> who likes to do crazy shit with their bbb and wants to do crazy things together with me
Nov 20 14:02:26 <KotH> Anguel: whatever you put in your coffee.. use less of it
Nov 20 14:02:53 <ogra_> ++
Nov 20 14:02:56 <Anguel> i also have a NEON magic carpet, made by philips
Nov 20 14:03:04 <woglinde> ciao
Nov 20 14:03:35 <Anguel> ok, no TI logo in the coffee
Nov 20 14:04:33 <Anguel> no Angstrom, only Arago
Nov 20 14:05:10 <KotH> put yocto in it
Nov 20 14:05:15 <KotH> they give free t-shirts
Nov 20 14:08:01 <Anguel> when will intel finally do a proper mcu comparable to the arm-a8
Nov 20 14:09:52 <Anguel> their latest invention uses i486 architecture
Nov 20 16:50:56 <karl-s> can the onboard UARTS of the beagleboard black do RTS/DTR/DSR/CTS? i'm looking to turn one into an out of band management box
Nov 20 16:53:16 <woglinde> why not look at the documentation
Nov 20 16:54:42 <karl-s> i've been trying but unsuccessfully
Nov 20 16:55:17 <karl-s> i've found a lot of unanswered mailing list posts though... :(
Nov 20 16:55:27 <woglinde> try harder
Nov 20 16:56:12 <woglinde> hm intressting circitou now forwards to elinux
Nov 20 16:56:54 <woglinde> try here http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack
Nov 20 16:57:10 <karl-s> right... the word uart and rs232 do not appear there
Nov 20 16:57:19 <karl-s> have you even tried making sure the answer was there?
Nov 20 16:58:00 <LetoThe2nd> karl-s: see http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Cape_Expansion_Headers
Nov 20 16:58:31 <karl-s> oh perfect!
Nov 20 16:58:32 <LetoThe2nd> karl-s: when the signals are listed in the header descripting and the pins are not occupied by any other function, you should be able to use them.
Nov 20 16:59:08 <LetoThe2nd> karl-s: BTW: this is exactly one click away from the link that woglinde gave you :/
Nov 20 16:59:27 <woglinde> pssssttt
Nov 20 17:00:14 <karl-s> I suppose but for someone who hasn't used a beaglebone before, i wouldnt exactly know to check "cape expansion headers". But now i do. THx.
Nov 20 17:01:07 <LetoThe2nd> karl-s: some minimal googling later: http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/
Nov 20 17:01:39 <LetoThe2nd> have fun, then.
Nov 20 17:34:54 <agent_fsh> Hi all, n00b question here. I have a BBB, but I can't seem to interface with it. I've tried reflashing Angstrom, but it still doesn't 1) appear as USB disk, 2) respond on 192.168.2.7, and 3) no HDMI output :/ Any thoughts?
Nov 20 17:41:48 <jkridner> did you wait until all the LEDs were on steady?
Nov 20 17:42:03 <jkridner> btw, that should be 192.168.7.2, not 2.7
Nov 20 17:42:19 <jkridner> but, the flash drive thing should happen sooner.
Nov 20 17:43:20 <jkridner> you need to wait for the LEDs to all be on steady --- about 45 minutes :( --- then remove power, remove the uSD card, *then* apply power (uSD card must have been removed)
Nov 20 17:44:43 <woglinde> jkridner why does it last 45 minutes?
Nov 20 17:44:52 <matt_00ade> Hi i am new to beaglebone black, i got my box yesterday, so far i have it connected to internent.....however i am more interested in networking...does anyone have have a link where i can read some cool projects in networking using beaglebone ? how can i install ftp server, httpd, and also make my box as webserver
Nov 20 17:45:03 <jkridner> because Angstrom leaves all the post-install steps until after the first boot...
Nov 20 17:45:12 <jkridner> hundreds of scripts need to be run :(
Nov 20 17:45:42 <woglinde> matt_00ade just as other linux server too
Nov 20 17:45:44 <jkridner> matt_00ade: it has a webserver built-in if you just visit port 80
Nov 20 17:45:57 <jkridner> matt_00ade: you can look up all sorts of how-tos on Linux...
Nov 20 17:45:59 <woglinde> you only need to opkg install webserver_you_want
Nov 20 17:46:08 <jkridner> if you find it easier to work with Ubuntu, check out armhf.com
Nov 20 17:46:17 <jkridner> woglinde: +1
Nov 20 17:46:45 <jkridner> agent_fsh: ???
Nov 20 17:48:11 <matt_00ade> jkrindner and woglinde thanks for the tips....
Nov 20 17:48:32 <matt_00ade> i tried to burn ubuntu saucy on my mSD
Nov 20 17:48:45 <matt_00ade> but when i hold down the boot botton...and power it on
Nov 20 17:49:03 <matt_00ade> i am expecting it to boot from mSD
Nov 20 17:49:08 <matt_00ade> but it never does..
Nov 20 17:49:51 <agent_fsh> hi jkridner, sorry
Nov 20 17:50:07 <agent_fsh> yes, I had done that. all lights were solid, and I left them solid for 20min or so to be safe :)
Nov 20 17:51:05 <agent_fsh> sorry, type on the IP. was trying 7.2 :)
Nov 20 17:51:34 <agent_fsh> to move image to SD, I had used dd bs=4m if=blah.img of=/dev/disk1
Nov 20 17:51:44 <jkridner> matt_00ade: I just did a new image this morning and it worked fine. You hold down the switch near the uSD card slot, right? How do you know it doesn't boot? No USRx LEDs blinking?
Nov 20 17:51:45 <agent_fsh> is it possible that the 4m block size introduced an error?
Nov 20 17:51:54 <jkridner> matt_00ade: 4GB uSD card or larger?
Nov 20 17:52:30 <jkridner> agent_fsh: if the lights blink for a long time then go steady, then it wasn't likely a uSD card flashing error.
Nov 20 17:52:47 <agent_fsh> I had also been using a 32gb card (only mSD i had lying around). is the high capacity format readable by BBB? flashing appeared to work okay.
Nov 20 17:52:53 <jkridner> agent_fsh: no chance you have an FTDI serial cable, is there?
Nov 20 17:52:59 <agent_fsh> I do actually!
Nov 20 17:53:11 <jkridner> capturing a boot log would be *super* helpful.
Nov 20 17:53:21 <jkridner> really miss that feature from the original BeagleBone.
Nov 20 17:53:21 <agent_fsh> I'll google that.
Nov 20 17:53:32 <matt_00ade> jkridner yes i hold down the switch, then after 10 second two blue light were blinking.... however when i tried ifconfig on my host i cant see the eth connection and i tried to ssh to beaglebone it never works
Nov 20 17:53:34 <jkridner> k. The SRM has the info in it on connecting it.
Nov 20 17:54:10 <jkridner> the Ubuntu images don't include the network gadget over USB. :(
Nov 20 17:54:22 <matt_00ade> usually anytime i plugged it in, it automatically mount the box, but if i try to boot from mSD it will never mount
Nov 20 17:54:39 <matt_00ade> so i just have to plug in my internet cable
Nov 20 17:55:26 <agent_fsh> BTW, how can I tell the difference in the revisions by looking at it?
Nov 20 17:58:00 <jkridner> agent_fsh: board revision? there's a sticker on the Ethernet jack or on one of the connectors, but there haven't been significant functional differences between the versions.
Nov 20 17:58:22 <agent_fsh> so I've taken a look at the SRM, and can't really see any instructions on how to debug.
Nov 20 17:58:27 <agent_fsh> am I connecting by screen?
Nov 20 17:58:34 <matt_00ade> jkridner i just tried it again but i can not ssh to it
Nov 20 17:58:36 <agent_fsh> baudrate 115200?
Nov 20 17:58:37 <jkridner> matt_00ade: if the uSD card has an Ubuntu image, that image behaves differently than the build-in eMMC Angstrom image.
Nov 20 17:58:45 <jkridner> agent_fsh: yup
Nov 20 17:59:03 <jkridner> screen /dev/tty.usbserialXXXXXX 115200 (Mac)
Nov 20 17:59:31 <agent_fsh> ta
Nov 20 18:03:08 <Norbert> Hi Guys, I was wondering if someone of you can help me to figure out how to print something on a 20x4 i2c LCD Display. I would like if you can provide me a tutorial,
Nov 20 18:03:26 <Norbert> I've tried with this tutorial http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=34261&p=391390 , but still no results
Nov 20 18:05:29 <woglinde> ?
Nov 20 18:05:40 <woglinde> rpi is rpi not beagle
Nov 20 18:06:53 <ogra_> seriously ?!?
Nov 20 18:07:00 <ogra_> :)
Nov 20 18:07:29 <Russ> generic I2C code should be generic I2C code though
Nov 20 18:08:16 <Norbert> Russ, I thought the same thing
Nov 20 18:08:30 <jonpry> i2c1 or i2c2?
Nov 20 18:08:53 <woglinde> russ so you can give nobert a tutorial
Nov 20 18:09:22 <Norbert> hmm, honestly I have no idea, this is the display http://www.ebay.com/itm/310575296583?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Nov 20 18:09:50 <jonpry> what pins did you attach it to?
Nov 20 18:10:21 <woglinde> jonpry to me is unclear if he did connect it to a rpi or a beagle
Nov 20 18:10:25 <Norbert> P9-19 the SCL
Nov 20 18:10:28 * tehKitten wants an e-ink screen on the bbb
Nov 20 18:10:35 <Norbert> P9-20 the SDA
Nov 20 18:11:00 <Norbert> I have a beaglebone black rev A5B
Nov 20 18:11:45 <jonpry> i2c2
Nov 20 18:11:55 <jonpry> maybe need pullups
Nov 20 18:13:15 <jonpry> and in that code maybe mess with port, could be 2
Nov 20 18:13:39 <jonpry> or 0, not sure how that is mapping to anything
Nov 20 18:14:44 <matt_00ade> I still cant get ubuntu to work on beaglebox....does anyone know any guide about this please ?
Nov 20 18:15:38 <Ferris> Where did you get your Ubuntu image from?
Nov 20 18:16:08 <matt_00ade> each time i try to install any package on angtrom, i get this collected errors * opkg_install_com: cannot install package
Nov 20 18:17:59 <matt_00ade> Ferris from http://www.armhf.com/index.php/download/
Nov 20 18:18:17 <Ferris> So that's a flasher version if i'm not mistaken
Nov 20 18:19:07 <Ferris> I may be wrong
Nov 20 18:19:10 <Ferris> so it's not really booting from the mSD, but flashing the eMMC
Nov 20 18:20:08 <matt_00ade> but it never flashe the eMMC coz my angstrom (which i flahed) still work fine when i remove the uSD
Nov 20 18:20:53 <Ferris> yeah thats why I was reluctant to say waht I just said
Nov 20 18:22:32 <Ferris> how long do you hold down the boot button?
Nov 20 18:27:23 <jkridner> hold the button before applying power and you can release it just a second after applying power.
Nov 20 18:27:50 <matt_00ade> i hold it down until the usb light come on
Nov 20 18:28:11 <jkridner> I'm running http://s3.armhf.com/debian/saucy/bone/ubuntu-saucy-13.10-armhf-3.8.13-bone30.img.xz and it doesn't appear to be a flasher image.
Nov 20 18:28:15 <matt_00ade> jkridner thats exactly what i did
Nov 20 18:29:57 <matt_00ade> jkridner, i have one question may be little bit stupid...... do you run the ubuntu from uSD ? do you connected to router direct with cable ? how do you have the ubuntu on, atleast the terminal
Nov 20 18:30:16 <jkridner> I'm running Ubuntu from the uSD.
Nov 20 18:30:34 <jkridner> Yes, you can connect the Ethernet cable directly from the router...
Nov 20 18:31:01 <jkridner> it'll DHCP an address, so you can use that to log in. Your router should list devices that have gotten DHCP addresses.
Nov 20 18:31:29 <jkridner> personally, I have a FTDI serial cable and am using the serial console that way.
Nov 20 18:31:45 <jkridner> I'm working on making a script to add the gadget driver.
Nov 20 18:32:31 <matt_00ade> ok, then i can just do port scanning to know which devices are on my network
Nov 20 18:33:27 <agent_fsh> okay - so I've found my FTDI cable - which pin is ground?
Nov 20 18:34:05 <agent_fsh> (ethernet side, or USB side on BBB)
Nov 20 18:34:44 <prpplague> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial
Nov 20 18:35:38 <agent_fsh> white dot is ground :)
Nov 20 18:38:25 <agent_fsh> blegh... I think my FTDI is 5v :/ Might have an LLC lying around.
Nov 20 18:43:57 <woglinde> jo prpplague
Nov 20 18:44:14 <prpplague> woglinde: yes?
Nov 20 18:47:06 <woglinde> was only a hi
Nov 20 18:49:06 <prpplague> woglinde: ahh
Nov 20 18:49:09 <prpplague> woglinde: greetings!
Nov 20 19:00:33 <matt_00ade> jkridner, yh i manage to have it working.......thanks by the way do you have any link to network project with beaglebone ? there are quiet few project with rpi
Nov 20 19:01:19 <jkridner> they are all fairly generic. I'm not sure what a network project would be.
Nov 20 19:01:25 <jkridner> It's just Linux!
Nov 20 19:04:06 <riskable> So assuming my app logs to /var/log/<whatever>, should I have it change to logging via systemd's journal logging style if it detects its presence?
Nov 20 19:07:02 <ds2> yes, the hw on the BBB can do flow control on some UARTs
Nov 20 19:17:37 <Borromini> hi guys
Nov 20 19:17:51 <Borromini> i have purchased a beaglebone black and am trying to get HDMI audio going on it
Nov 20 19:18:00 <Borromini> loaded the BBB with Debian
Nov 20 19:18:42 <Borromini> alsa says the output device has no mixer controls, and mpd complains "mixer: Failed to read mixer for 'My ALSA Device': no such mixer control: PCM"
Nov 20 19:19:55 <Borromini> i see omap sound modules being mentioned here and there but they're not present on my system, do i need those? i'm running a debian image that was linked to from elinux.org
Nov 20 19:20:04 <Borromini> thank you
Nov 20 19:20:59 <agent_fsh> so I never managed to get FTDI working, but I have managed to boot my BBB off an image on an SD.
Nov 20 19:21:25 <agent_fsh> I can try flashing again to see if that changes anything, but happy to run of SD for now :)
Nov 20 19:22:21 <agent_fsh> next mountain is that HDMI doesn't seem to be working for me (my monitor stays blank). I've heard of HDMI issues on BBB, and I don't need HDMI, but I now have to try and install packages on the BBB and I've never been able to set up wifi on anything like this over term before.
Nov 20 19:22:39 <agent_fsh> anyone have experience connecting BBB to the net with only an SSH terminal to go by?
Nov 20 19:22:52 <Borromini> yes, and it works pretty well
Nov 20 19:23:27 <Borromini> it's how i set it up actually... loading the microsd, then booting off it
Nov 20 19:23:46 <Borromini> configure it over ssh
Nov 20 19:24:39 <agent_fsh> to connect to the net?
Nov 20 19:24:56 <agent_fsh> I only have internet via a wifi router
Nov 20 19:25:04 <Ferris> i never had to configure anything to get it to connect through the net (ethernet)
Nov 20 19:25:19 <agent_fsh> I'm connected to my macbook over ethernet
Nov 20 19:25:30 <agent_fsh> and my macbook has wifi
Nov 20 19:25:40 <agent_fsh> I suppose I could try bridge the two
Nov 20 19:25:44 <Borromini> it gets an IP address with DHCP once you connect it to the net
Nov 20 19:25:53 <Borromini> i just put it in my LAN
Nov 20 19:26:52 <Ferris> agent_fsh did you turn on Internet sharing in System Prefs?
Nov 20 19:28:47 <agent_fsh> awesome
Nov 20 19:28:53 <agent_fsh> didn't realise that was an option!
Nov 20 19:29:08 <agent_fsh> configured udhcpc, and it works :D much easier than expected :)
Nov 20 19:29:52 <Ferris> I used to do that with my Nintendo DS before we got a wireless router
Nov 20 19:30:10 <Ferris> use the iMac as a pseudo-router
Nov 20 19:31:32 <Vaizki_> which reminds me that as much as I love osx on the desktop, the osx kernel doesn't do bridging. at all. just doesn't. wtf is up with that.
Nov 20 19:32:02 <Vaizki_> no need to answer, it was just a vent with rhetorical question finale
Nov 20 19:41:39 <agent_fsh> Borromini: You mentioned you're running Debian on BBB?
Nov 20 19:42:24 <agent_fsh> Have you tried different flavours? Any preferred? Just tried cloning from github, and angstrom's git version is below github's minimum :(
Nov 20 19:44:38 <agent_fsh> big question is BeagleBoneDebian vs ARMhf (Ubuntu)
Nov 20 19:46:22 <Borromini> agent_fsh: i am running on jessie
Nov 20 19:46:42 <Borromini> updated from wheezy
Nov 20 19:47:04 <Borromini> there is an image that writes debian to your internal storage when booted from the sd card
Nov 20 19:47:28 <Borromini> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black
Nov 20 19:47:43 <Borromini> the flasher image is wheezy only so far
Nov 20 19:47:50 <ezequielg> is the mainline USB supposed to work when configured as built-in in the Beaglebone black=
Nov 20 19:47:54 <ezequielg> ??
Nov 20 19:48:04 <Borromini> https://rcn-ee.net/deb/flasher/wheezy/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.2-2013-11-15.img.xz < grab it, put it on the sd card, boot the bbb from it
Nov 20 19:48:06 <agent_fsh> cool cool... is Jessy stable? I see it's a dev snapshot
Nov 20 19:48:07 <ezequielg> i keep getting "probal defered" messages
Nov 20 19:48:18 <agent_fsh> giving it a shot :) thanks!
Nov 20 19:48:25 <Borromini> leave it for 5-6 minutes, if all the leds blink flashing is done
Nov 20 19:48:31 <Borromini> after that you can upgrade to jessie:
Nov 20 19:49:10 <Borromini> replace wheezy instances with jessie in /etc/apt/sources.list (comment the updates entries)
Nov 20 19:49:23 <Borromini> then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
Nov 20 19:49:32 <Borromini> it's stable afaict agent_fsh :)
Nov 20 19:49:43 <Borromini> and the kernel stays the same
Nov 20 19:49:49 <Borromini> since it's not really tied to debian
Nov 20 19:50:23 <agent_fsh> amazing
Nov 20 19:50:26 <agent_fsh> rockstar!
Nov 20 19:50:38 <Borromini> ;)
Nov 20 19:50:42 <agent_fsh> I think it's safer to stick with the distro you know :P
Nov 20 19:52:17 <Borromini> whatever suits you best :)
Nov 20 19:52:29 <Borromini> upgrading takes a bit, not a lot of horsepower :P
Nov 20 20:05:16 <`Ishq> In order to use a transistor as a switch for the beaglebone, Does the emitter base voltage need to be less than or equal to 1.3V?
Nov 20 20:05:56 <`Ishq> Oh, never mind, 3.3V
Nov 20 20:10:34 <prpplague> `Ishq: what are you trying to accomplish?
Nov 20 20:11:38 <`Ishq> Boost use it as a switch to switch a relay.
Nov 20 20:11:51 <`Ishq> ehh
Nov 20 20:11:59 <`Ishq> Use it as an amplifier for the GPIO voltage
Nov 20 20:12:08 <`Ishq> I have a 9V battery I want to use to switch a relay.
Nov 20 20:12:30 <`Ishq> Which will then switch a 12VAC sprinkler valv
Nov 20 20:12:32 <`Ishq> *valve
Nov 20 20:12:34 <`Ishq> prpplague:
Nov 20 20:13:34 <prpplague> `Ishq: uh ok
Nov 20 20:13:47 <prpplague> sounds a like round the way
Nov 20 20:14:39 <prpplague> `Ishq: http://seeedstudio.com/wiki/Relay_Shield
Nov 20 20:14:52 <prpplague> `Ishq: you can basically implement the same thing for black
Nov 20 20:15:28 <`Ishq> Well, I already have the relays, and a box full of transistors...
Nov 20 20:16:10 <`Ishq> Just need to find literature about how to actually use the transistor as a switch. I haven't been able to find what the specs on the datasheet mean.
Nov 20 20:16:49 <prpplague> hehe i just gave you that
Nov 20 20:17:35 <`Ishq> At the relay shield link?
Nov 20 20:17:40 <prpplague> `Ishq: yes
Nov 20 20:17:50 <prpplague> `Ishq: like i said, you can implement the exact same thing
Nov 20 20:17:58 <prpplague> grab the schematic and look
Nov 20 20:18:21 <prpplague> carpman: seems we have a lot of people trying to do this, maybe relay shield be the next one on the list
Nov 20 20:19:21 <`Ishq> Hm, thanks.
Nov 20 20:21:26 * carpman makes a note
Nov 20 20:29:52 <thews> Borromini: just know that ubuntu / debian don't have sgx acceleration
Nov 20 20:30:01 <thews> nothing past kernel 3.2 afaik
Nov 20 20:30:32 <_av500_> 2.6.32 maybe?
Nov 20 20:31:22 <thews> _av500_: is there a ubuntu image with 2.6.32 ?
Nov 20 20:31:57 <thews> I'm willing to downgrade to an LTS release with an older kernel if I can have the acceleration
Nov 20 20:32:17 <prpplague> thews: what do you think you need the acceleration for?
Nov 20 20:32:51 <thews> prpplague: make iceweasel snappier when I want to use it
Nov 20 20:33:06 <Borromini> thews: i don't need that for audio, do i?
Nov 20 20:33:13 <Borromini> its sole purpose will be an MPD server
Nov 20 20:33:17 <Borromini> no video playback
Nov 20 20:33:27 <thews> Borromini: not for audio no, but some audio stuff can really eat up cpu resources
Nov 20 20:33:42 <Borromini> hmm
Nov 20 20:33:49 <Borromini> should it be working out of the box though?
Nov 20 20:33:49 <thews> I run pithos on my BBB
Nov 20 20:34:03 <thews> sgx acceleration works with angstrom out of the box I believe
Nov 20 20:34:19 <thews> pithos eats up ~70%cpu when streaming audio
Nov 20 20:34:28 <Borromini> ouch
Nov 20 20:34:35 <thews> I couldn't believe it
Nov 20 20:34:41 <Borromini> MPD would be doing FLAC decoding
Nov 20 20:34:53 <thews> what's weird is pianobar which is what I think pithos is based on, doesn't eat up that much cpu
Nov 20 20:35:08 <Borromini> ok
Nov 20 20:35:09 <thews> I don't have it in front of me right now or I'd let you know
Nov 20 20:35:12 <Borromini> maybe some bad coding then
Nov 20 20:35:17 <Borromini> :)
Nov 20 20:35:22 <Borromini> well i appreciate the input
Nov 20 20:35:31 <Borromini> do you use a DAC?
Nov 20 20:35:43 <Borromini> or the micro HDMI out for auio
Nov 20 20:35:47 <Borromini> * audio
Nov 20 20:35:54 <thews> micro hdmi out to lapdock when I use audio
Nov 20 20:36:26 <Borromini> ok
Nov 20 20:36:34 <Borromini> anything specific you had to configure to get it to work?
Nov 20 20:37:01 <Borromini> i've read somewhere that sometimes if HDMI doesn't get any video data fed the connection will shut down entirely
Nov 20 20:37:14 <prpplague> there is no sgx support in the angstrom builds for beaglebone and beaglebone black
Nov 20 20:37:23 <prpplague> (with 3.8 kernel)
Nov 20 20:37:25 <Borromini> my rpi shows stuff on my tv through my receiver, the bbb doesn't
Nov 20 20:37:40 <Borromini> prpplague: but that should not affect audio, or am i mistaken?
Nov 20 20:37:46 <thews> Borromini: I just had to install I think 3 things, but I installed a few codec groups too
Nov 20 20:38:01 <Borromini> ok
Nov 20 20:38:34 <Borromini> well there are no audio controls etc on my installation
Nov 20 20:38:41 <Borromini> at least that's what alsa complains about
Nov 20 20:38:44 <Borromini> and mpd
Nov 20 20:38:59 <Borromini> the hdmi output is recognised but that's about it
Nov 20 20:39:37 <thews> Borromini: alsa-utils mpg321 lame then run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
Nov 20 20:39:43 <thews> first three are packages
Nov 20 20:39:57 <Borromini> yeah
Nov 20 20:40:06 <thews> Borromini: using that I was able to get audio working even without X on hdmi
Nov 20 20:40:18 <Borromini> hmm
Nov 20 20:40:24 <Borromini> alsa-utils is installed
Nov 20 20:40:42 <thews> try aplay to see if it plays audio
Nov 20 20:44:37 <Borromini> no sound
Nov 20 20:44:47 <Borromini> but the hdmi connection isn't active anymore according to my receiver
Nov 20 20:44:55 <Borromini> going to mess a bit in uEnv.txt and do a reboot
Nov 20 20:44:56 <thews> ahh
Nov 20 20:45:09 <thews> I don't have anything special in uEnv
Nov 20 20:45:37 <thews> I had hdmi + keyboard and mouse hooked up even though I didn't have X installed
Nov 20 20:46:14 <das_> damnit I tried to fix the stereo on my G51 amplifier and now it's fully fried, av500 have you got (post-1960) suggestions for a replacement ?
Nov 20 20:46:15 <Borromini> i just have an ssh connection going
Nov 20 20:46:32 <thews> Borromini: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/100588352984244566304/albums/5948082970778996177/5948082969704389730
Nov 20 20:46:41 <thews> it won't work over SSH tty
Nov 20 20:46:48 <thews> has to be on local shell
Nov 20 20:46:59 <thews> I don't know why
Nov 20 20:47:16 <Borromini> thews: thank's a lot
Nov 20 20:47:19 <Borromini> you mean audio?
Nov 20 20:47:22 <Borromini> are you sure?
Nov 20 20:47:23 <Borromini> btw
Nov 20 20:47:27 <thews> yep
Nov 20 20:47:29 <thews> I tried
Nov 20 20:47:31 <Borromini> can you check for mixer controls?
Nov 20 20:47:32 <Borromini> heh
Nov 20 20:47:39 <Borromini> that's pretty bizarre
Nov 20 20:47:56 <thews> Borromini: I don't have it in front of me right now, but mixer controls didn't work from alsa-mixer
Nov 20 20:48:00 <Borromini> and that's angstrom right?
Nov 20 20:48:01 <Borromini> ok
Nov 20 20:48:01 <thews> I had to use the controls of the app
Nov 20 20:48:16 <thews> Borromini: this is debian, but the kernel is not much different
Nov 20 20:48:41 <Borromini> ah you're on debian?
Nov 20 20:48:52 <thews> yeah,  but I'm considering options right now
Nov 20 20:48:59 <thews> the SGX acceleration does mean quite a bit to me
Nov 20 20:49:02 <Borromini> i'm running jessie, updated from a recent image posted by robert nelson
Nov 20 20:49:03 <thews> I'd rather have it than not have it
Nov 20 20:49:03 <Borromini> ok
Nov 20 20:49:19 <Borromini> what do you use the bbb for?
Nov 20 20:50:02 <thews> well I was originally just going to use it to replace an arduino project I was working on for greenhouse automation as I'd kind of outgrown arduino
Nov 20 20:50:15 <thews> but now I've just been tinkering with it a lot more to get ideas
Nov 20 20:50:54 <prpplague> <thews> the SGX acceleration does mean quite a bit to me
Nov 20 20:50:56 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 20 20:51:08 <prpplague> thews: probably need to look for another platform then
Nov 20 20:51:40 <_av500_> rpi has awesome sgx
Nov 20 20:51:51 <thews> prpplague: I'm considering another platform for my other tinkering, but I am holding a little bit of hope for SGX, I spent two nights reading through TIs forums and SDK notes and saw some progress made
Nov 20 20:51:53 <_av500_> a bazillion triangles per second
Nov 20 20:52:07 <_av500_> if not more
Nov 20 20:52:19 <thews> I saw in some of their notes that they were testing SGX DRM on am335x on kernel 3.8
Nov 20 20:52:36 <jonpry> http://pastebin.com/q0NCGyxu
Nov 20 20:52:38 <jonpry> it like tries to load DTB before mounting root
Nov 20 20:52:43 <thews> but right now I'm too lazy to try to build everything,  too busy and stressed out and need to stop thinking about that stuff
Nov 20 20:53:16 <thews> it's really hard for me to give up on something
Nov 20 20:53:28 <Borromini> i know that feeling all too well
Nov 20 20:53:33 <Borromini> i should be studying :(
Nov 20 20:53:44 <Borromini> instead i'm messing with this thing to see if i can get it to replace mp rpi
Nov 20 20:53:48 <Borromini> * my rpi
Nov 20 20:53:55 <Borromini> rpi audio playback is horrible
Nov 20 20:53:57 <_av500_> it can unless you need hd video
Nov 20 20:54:06 <_av500_> or hd GUI
Nov 20 20:54:31 <thews> Borromini: I have two usb sound cards I could use to get better support, but I really like the lapdock
Nov 20 20:54:38 <Borromini> ok :)
Nov 20 20:54:52 <Borromini> _av500_: so far no dice on the audio front, no sound
Nov 20 20:54:57 <Borromini> it will be an MPD box
Nov 20 20:55:01 <Borromini> so no GUI needed
Nov 20 20:55:03 <Borromini> just ssh
Nov 20 20:55:14 <thews> I wonder what the video support is like on the udoo
Nov 20 20:55:15 <_av500_> ah
Nov 20 20:55:27 <_av500_> you added a usb soundcard?
Nov 20 20:55:30 <Borromini> no
Nov 20 20:55:36 <Borromini> i am trying to use the micro hdmi out
Nov 20 20:55:38 <_av500_> ah
Nov 20 20:55:42 <Borromini> hooked up to my receiver
Nov 20 20:55:44 <carpman> I've seen tinkering on the kernel drivers (stolen from android kernels), but I have yet to see a DRM driver, so X can't use it.
Nov 20 20:55:48 <Borromini> turns out to be a bit problematic
Nov 20 20:56:01 <thews> I don't like the udoo much, because it doesn't seem to solve any problems to me
Nov 20 20:56:13 <prpplague> thews: i can assure there is no plan currently for SGX support on black
Nov 20 20:56:36 <thews> prpplague: is the Tre going to use the same graphics chip?
Nov 20 20:56:53 <_av500_> its the same chip
Nov 20 20:56:58 <_av500_> there is no gfx chip
Nov 20 20:57:00 <_av500_> AM335x
Nov 20 20:57:02 <_av500_> all inside
Nov 20 20:57:16 <thews> ahh
Nov 20 20:57:25 <_av500_> gfx chips are a thing of the past
Nov 20 20:57:34 <thews> yeah, I didn't know it was am335x
Nov 20 20:57:49 <thews> I figured it might use something updated that they'd work on the drivers for
Nov 20 20:58:00 <_av500_> for an arduino?
Nov 20 20:58:09 <thews> definitely
Nov 20 20:58:33 <_av500_> blink LEDS, not pixels!
Nov 20 20:58:34 <thews> that seems like a pretty big collaboration to me, and something that people will take note of
Nov 20 20:58:42 <thews> :D
Nov 20 20:59:29 <thews> _av500_: here's the deal.   a LOT of people want a restful webserver GUI for automation, and would like a small screen hooked up to their device to be able to control it locally
Nov 20 20:59:49 <thews> you get the acceleration coupled with a webkit browser, and you have a pretty slick device that you can go to market with
Nov 20 21:00:27 <_av500_> just use an FTDI...
Nov 20 21:00:35 <Borromini> ooh
Nov 20 21:00:44 <Borromini> houston we have a visual
Nov 20 21:00:49 <_av500_> good
Nov 20 21:00:51 <Borromini> set the hdmi output to 1280x720
Nov 20 21:01:08 <Borromini> !!!
Nov 20 21:01:09 <thews> FTDI + raspberry pi?
Nov 20 21:01:10 <Borromini> wow
Nov 20 21:01:14 <Borromini> audio works now :)
Nov 20 21:01:20 <thews> Borromini: good deal :)
Nov 20 21:01:24 <Borromini> yeah ;)
Nov 20 21:01:31 <_av500_> thews: http://www.ftdichip.com/EVE.htm :)
Nov 20 21:01:44 <Borromini> i added this thews :
Nov 20 21:01:45 <Borromini> #Video: Uncomment to override:
Nov 20 21:01:46 <Borromini> kms_force_mode=video=HDMI-A-1:1280x720@60
Nov 20 21:01:51 <Borromini> to /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt
Nov 20 21:02:02 <thews> _av500_: first time seeing this,  I have FTDI serial breakouts
Nov 20 21:02:12 <_av500_> I know
Nov 20 21:02:17 <_av500_> I saw it today in some trade rag
Nov 20 21:02:54 <_av500_> at least you can put it on a cape easily, only SPI needed :)
Nov 20 21:03:01 <_av500_> prpplague: ^^^
Nov 20 21:03:53 <thews> _av500_: I really like making my own stuff,  I'm not sure if I'll ever use a cape
Nov 20 21:04:10 <thews> unless I get my own fabbed
Nov 20 21:04:53 * thews sometimes spends way too much time making prototype perf boards
Nov 20 21:04:54 <prpplague> _av500_: hehe
Nov 20 21:05:22 <_av500_> imagine have a cape that brings graphics to the BBB
Nov 20 21:05:45 <thews> _av500_: that might be worth it
Nov 20 21:05:49 <thews> _av500_: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zYnsGO8IrEE/UnVNgSqVitI/AAAAAAAAJAQ/DpaVwm_dafU/w1355-h1016-no/20131102_140722.jpg
Nov 20 21:06:28 <_av500_> yes
Nov 20 21:06:45 <_av500_> these are clearly MEGA pixels
Nov 20 21:07:03 <thews> so much soldering
Nov 20 21:07:33 <thews> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--QEh9XDsRWk/UnVxXImZOQI/AAAAAAAAJAs/uhD768xIhUk/w1355-h1016-no/20131102_164025.jpg
Nov 20 21:10:51 <thews> it's really expensive to make your own solder screened pcbs, otherwise I'd probably make a dremel cnc machine for pcbs
Nov 20 21:11:52 <SpeedEvil> No, it's not.
Nov 20 21:11:56 * thews lives 100 miles north of Dallas, no access to anything
Nov 20 21:11:57 <SpeedEvil> It's really annoying to do so.
Nov 20 21:12:06 <thews> SpeedEvil: solder screen is pretty expensive
Nov 20 21:12:07 <SpeedEvil> Solder mask 'paint' is available that is UV developed.
Nov 20 21:12:14 <thews> yes
Nov 20 21:12:18 <thews> and you can get it in sheets too
Nov 20 21:12:24 <thews> it is not cheap at all though
Nov 20 21:12:33 <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-PCB-UV-Curable-Solder-Soldering-Mask-Repairing-Paint-Green-100g-/310649918024?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item48542d9248
Nov 20 21:12:41 <SpeedEvil> I question if anyone sane would call that expensive.
Nov 20 21:13:17 <thews> 100 grams, I wonder how much that would cover, and what the results are like
Nov 20 21:13:24 <thews> the film makes pretty professional results
Nov 20 21:13:43 <thews> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dry-Film-Solder-Mask-Photosensitive-Resist-for-PCB-Copper-Clad-Circuit-Board-/321251925936?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4acc1b5fb0
Nov 20 21:13:46 <SpeedEvil> It depends on how good a coat you put on.
Nov 20 21:14:19 <ion> thews: Is this of any help? http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping/im120418001.html https://github.com/dren-dk/HAL900/wiki/Quirks-of-PCB-manufacturing-at-ITead
Nov 20 21:14:24 <thews> considering the prices of seeedstudio pcb or itead, it's cheaper to go that route
Nov 20 21:14:53 <thews> ion I have a few places bookmarked and some reviews comparing them all :D
Nov 20 21:15:19 <SpeedEvil> It's not cheaper for single layer PCBs. If you make more than a couple. It is way easier.
Nov 20 21:15:21 <dwery> I use itead regularly, pretty nice
Nov 20 21:15:45 <SpeedEvil> For >1 layer - buy them - it's insane to make them - even if in principle you can do so.
Nov 20 21:16:19 * Borromini is listening to Kreayshawn - Left Eye
Nov 20 21:16:24 <Borromini> sorry for the spam
Nov 20 21:16:25 <thews> it's a lot cheaper to go 2 layer and use SMD than 1 layer making your own with DIP
Nov 20 21:16:29 <Borromini> but MPD is working ^_^
Nov 20 21:16:34 <thews> if you buy many components at the same time anyhow
Nov 20 21:17:43 <thews> Borromini: nice :)
Nov 20 21:17:58 <Borromini> :) thank you
Nov 20 21:18:11 <Borromini> i think i'll need the video out keep alive option to keep it going though
Nov 20 21:18:28 <thews> Borromini: when my video sleeps the audio still goes through
Nov 20 21:18:38 <Borromini> ok
Nov 20 21:18:46 <thews> might depend on what you have it hooked to though
Nov 20 21:18:53 <Borromini> here the connection gets dropped after like 10 minutes apparently
Nov 20 21:19:33 <thews> Borromini: let me know if you find a simple way to do EQ before sending the HDMI audio out
Nov 20 21:19:48 <Borromini> you mean like replaygain?
Nov 20 21:19:49 <thews> Borromini: my lapdock is tinny with no processing at all
Nov 20 21:20:01 <Borromini> oh
Nov 20 21:20:03 <Borromini> hmm :-/
Nov 20 21:20:05 <Borromini> idk
Nov 20 21:20:07 <thews> Borromini: is that a tool?
Nov 20 21:20:24 <Borromini> no replaygain is a loudness countermeasure, so to speak
Nov 20 21:20:28 <thews> I can change the volume, but I'd like to mess with the EQ a bit to make the reproduction flatter
Nov 20 21:20:48 <Borromini> i know of no equaliser software, sorry
Nov 20 21:20:54 <Borromini> maybe pulseaudio could do it?
Nov 20 21:20:58 <Borromini> it can do a lot, apparently
Nov 20 21:21:15 <thews> I might check that,   I wasn't sure if anything would make it easy since I couldn't get any mixer controls from command line
Nov 20 21:21:20 <_av500_> alsa can play audio
Nov 20 21:21:24 <_av500_> audio can be filtered
Nov 20 21:21:28 <_av500_> where is the issue?
Nov 20 21:21:32 <thews> alsa says it has no controls
Nov 20 21:21:34 <thews> for whatever reason
Nov 20 21:21:35 <agent_fsh> Hi Borromni, was having issues with the debian EMMC flasher (didn't ever seem to boot. no user lights lit up). So I tried the ubuntu image. two of the lights (ones on the ends) are constant - was trying to see if it booted okay.
Nov 20 21:21:37 <thews> on hdmi audio
Nov 20 21:21:46 <agent_fsh> do you by any chance have any idea of ip?
Nov 20 21:22:05 <_av500_> alsa not
Nov 20 21:22:12 <_av500_> but what you can pipe into alsa
Nov 20 21:22:13 <thews> agent_fsh: default is 192.168.7.2 if you using usb networking
Nov 20 21:22:16 <Borromini> thews: i beleive the controls are mostly volume
Nov 20 21:22:26 <Borromini> agent_fsh: ok
Nov 20 21:22:27 <agent_fsh> thews: that for ubuntu on BBB too?
Nov 20 21:22:29 <_av500_> alsa eq controls are from the age of soundcards
Nov 20 21:22:34 <thews> agent_fsh: yes
Nov 20 21:22:34 <_av500_> long gone
Nov 20 21:23:17 * thews hasn't worried about command line audio tools in a long time
Nov 20 21:23:36 <thews> and I didn't have a real need for it, just tinkering to see what I could get going that would be enjoyable
Nov 20 21:24:00 <Borromini> thews: fyi, MPD uses 10% CPU
Nov 20 21:24:14 <Borromini> buffer underruns galore though :(
Nov 20 21:24:20 <thews> Borromini: that's good news,  I think Pithos was just a fluke on how bad it ran
Nov 20 21:24:32 <Borromini> agent_fsh: did you keep the power button pressed before you connected the power?
Nov 20 21:24:35 <Borromini> with the emmc flashing image
Nov 20 21:25:26 <agent_fsh> power button?
Nov 20 21:25:33 <Borromini> yes
Nov 20 21:25:40 <Borromini> there are tiny buttons on the board
Nov 20 21:25:40 <_av500_> boot button
Nov 20 21:25:41 <agent_fsh> umm, I pressed the boot img button when connected the power
Nov 20 21:26:04 <agent_fsh> (one on the far end close to the mSD)
Nov 20 21:26:22 <agent_fsh> should I press power (once closest to the ethernet port) instead?
Nov 20 21:26:30 <agent_fsh> *one
Nov 20 21:26:37 <Borromini> i thought that's the boot button but not sure
Nov 20 21:26:44 <Borromini> one of them says power next to it i believe
Nov 20 21:26:54 <agent_fsh> yeah
Nov 20 21:26:59 <agent_fsh> the one next to eth is power
Nov 20 21:27:06 <agent_fsh> should I hold power on flash?
Nov 20 21:27:16 <Borromini> only during bootup i believe
Nov 20 21:27:17 <thews> hmm
Nov 20 21:27:32 <thews> Borromini: are you running off of sdcard?
Nov 20 21:27:37 <Borromini> thews: no off emmc
Nov 20 21:27:49 <thews> Borromini: ahh,  I think I'm going to make an sd card image later on
Nov 20 21:28:02 <thews> Borromini: I keep having to do stuff to clear out space
Nov 20 21:28:08 <Borromini> ok
Nov 20 21:28:17 <agent_fsh> Borromini: I was following the Angstrom flash instructions which IIRC said hold the boot button (one closest to the mSD card)
Nov 20 21:28:24 <Borromini> i have 550 MB used
Nov 20 21:28:26 <agent_fsh> I'll try holding power instead
Nov 20 21:28:32 <Borromini> agent_fsh: sec
Nov 20 21:28:35 <agent_fsh> np
Nov 20 21:28:46 <thews> Borromini: I was building drivers and had to get all of the kernel stuff
Nov 20 21:29:31 <thews> Borromini: some of my debian stuff https://github.com/justinledwards/beaglebone-debian-scripts/blob/master/wireless-fix.sh https://gist.github.com/justinledwards/7363464
Nov 20 21:30:13 <Borromini> thews: ok
Nov 20 21:30:28 <Borromini> i stripped the debian image and added mpd and some handy stuff like tmux
Nov 20 21:30:30 <Borromini> that's about it
Nov 20 21:30:30 <thews> I think just getting the sources to build drivers takes up 800mb
Nov 20 21:31:00 <thews> then python 2.6 and python 2.7 for other stuff I was using + libs really took up a lot of space
Nov 20 21:31:41 <thews> plus I think everything was faster on my sd card,  it's one of the faster ones
Nov 20 21:32:09 <Borromini> yeah it's huge
Nov 20 21:32:14 <Borromini> agent_fsh: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian
Nov 20 21:32:20 <Borromini> it's your one-stop shop pretty much
Nov 20 21:32:39 <Borromini> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black < this part has the instructions on how to flash to emmc
Nov 20 21:33:31 <Borromini> apparently one needs to hold the boot switch
Nov 20 21:33:55 <Borromini> i think mine just flashed from the sd card automatically though... i had a few power cycles in between
Nov 20 21:34:47 <agent_fsh> yeah - I think I tried that. I'll try again.
Nov 20 21:34:50 <agent_fsh> ta :)
Nov 20 21:34:54 <Borromini> yw
Nov 20 21:35:01 <Borromini> i didn't keep any buttons pressed during the last flash
Nov 20 21:35:12 <Borromini> it takes about 6 minutes, at the end all four leds should burn steadily
Nov 20 21:36:12 <_av500_> do they burn down like candles?
Nov 20 21:36:27 <_av500_> cna I leave them burning overnight?
Nov 20 21:37:34 <Borromini> no native speaker here.
Nov 20 21:41:25 <Borromini> evening gents
Nov 20 21:41:29 <Borromini> thanks for your help
Nov 20 21:51:45 <him> is there a reason production image 9.04.2013 for the BBB doesn't include source?  and how do i get the source onto the BBB in regards to the limited flash storage?
Nov 20 21:56:23 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.12: http://git.io/I-ttMg
Nov 20 21:56:23 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.12 a40f13e Robert Nelson: 3.12: update to v3.12.1...
Nov 20 22:00:41 <mranostay> carpman can help
Nov 20 22:20:00 <thews> does the angstrom distro use xfce ?
Nov 20 22:26:35 <thews> I wonder if using X over ssh uses any remote acceleration
Nov 20 22:27:43 <thews> yep
Nov 20 22:27:50 <thews> opengl-glx-x11
Nov 20 22:33:05 <thews> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1
Nov 20 22:39:14 <jonpry> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT is fun
Nov 20 22:41:04 <thews> haven't had a chance to test it yet, but will soon,  i'll be impressed if I can reduce the compression / crypto on ssh and get streaming video smooth
Nov 20 22:42:36 <jonpry> There is nothing smooth about anything i got out of it. But mine is stuck at 300mhz
Nov 20 23:35:54 <Axel__> Hi
Nov 20 23:36:07 <Axel__> i brand new in beaglebone black
Nov 20 23:36:12 <Axel__> and im using bone script
Nov 20 23:36:26 <Axel__> some times cloud 9 IDE
Nov 20 23:36:30 <Axel__> THE IDE IM USING
Nov 20 23:36:38 <Axel__> dont work anymore
Nov 20 23:36:52 <Axel__> and i need to load the default program again
Nov 20 23:37:00 <Axel__> in order to get it to work
Nov 20 23:37:11 <Axel__> after charging the program
Nov 20 23:37:17 <Axel__> why?
Nov 20 23:39:07 <thews> might see if cloud9 has logs and check em
Nov 20 23:44:59 <ds2> new storm is rolling in?
Nov 21 01:47:53 <agent_fsh> does anyone know what the root password is for ubuntu (armhf)?
Nov 21 01:48:27 <TehCaptain> most likely isn't set.. sudo passwd root should fix that if that's the case
Nov 21 01:56:31 <thews> ubuntu uses sudo, debian has root password though
Nov 21 02:08:51 <Drew> Hello
Nov 21 02:09:23 <Guest3088> Hello
Nov 21 02:09:44 <prpplague> change nick and try again
Nov 21 02:09:58 <Guest3088> how
Nov 21 02:10:41 <prpplague> hehehe
Nov 21 02:15:19 <Andy__> Hello
Nov 21 02:18:33 <prpplague> Qallti: that nick isn't working either, try another
Nov 21 02:19:29 <Qallti> I'm new to this, what do you do
Nov 21 02:20:04 <TehCaptain> type /nick and then some other name after it to change instantly
Nov 21 02:20:12 <TehCaptain> too late :(
Nov 21 02:20:18 * prpplague is soooo bad
Nov 21 02:21:05 <wathctgry> Howdee
Nov 21 02:21:17 <prpplague> wathctgry: hey! that one works!
Nov 21 02:21:29 <prpplague> wathctgry: welcome to #beagle, what can we do for you today?
Nov 21 02:21:44 <wathctgry> Right on! Why did the other not work?
Nov 21 02:22:03 <prpplague> wathctgry: who knows!
Nov 21 02:22:09 <prpplague> wathctgry: at least this one does!
Nov 21 02:22:36 <wathctgry> I new to this, what do we do on this chat?
Nov 21 02:23:55 <wathctgry> Hello
Nov 21 02:24:29 <prpplague> wathctgry: this channel is for support of the beagleboard.org products
Nov 21 02:24:57 <prpplague> wathctgry: are you here to get help with your beagleboard product?
Nov 21 02:25:04 <wathctgry> prpplague: how do I talk to you?
Nov 21 02:25:12 <prpplague> wathctgry: just type here
Nov 21 02:25:20 <thews> wonder if the Bay Trail Atom SoCs will make much of a difference in prices
Nov 21 02:25:48 <prpplague> thews: they wil
Nov 21 02:25:50 <prpplague> will
Nov 21 02:26:02 <TehCaptain> I read somewhere that the TI Sitara is $5 in volume... I doubt it
Nov 21 02:26:08 <wathctgry> thews & prpplague: I'm thinking of getting a beaglebone black
Nov 21 02:26:27 <wathctgry> But I don't know what it's good for
Nov 21 02:26:37 <prpplague> TehCaptain: and the term "volume" means 500,000 qty
Nov 21 02:26:57 <prpplague> TehCaptain: not exactly the same qty that most small companies use for a PO
Nov 21 02:26:59 <thews> I read that TI is giving up in the mobile market,  I'm curious about the paths of cheap future embedded stuff
Nov 21 02:27:11 <wathctgry> Can you use it like an arduino
Nov 21 02:27:16 <thews> for OMAP anyhow
Nov 21 02:27:43 <prpplague> thews: that was a terrible statement on TI's part, as they did not explain themselves very well
Nov 21 02:27:44 <wathctgry> Can you use beaglebone black like arduino
Nov 21 02:27:54 <thews> wathctgry: you can use it like an arduino as long as you're using 3.3v components, or you can use transistors or logic converters if you need different voltages / more current
Nov 21 02:28:09 <prpplague> wathctgry: yes in many ways it is a like an arduino, but runs a true operating system
Nov 21 02:28:20 <wathctgry> How do you display stuff
Nov 21 02:28:33 <prpplague> thews: the statement was that they were simply not targeting strictly mobile markets anymore
Nov 21 02:28:33 <thews> wathctgry: it has hdmi for one
Nov 21 02:28:39 <thews> prpplague: I see
Nov 21 02:28:41 <TehCaptain> i use my beagleboard to idle on irc.. and that's pretty much it. kinda sad
Nov 21 02:29:08 <wathctgry> How do I display things beside a operating system desktop
Nov 21 02:29:17 <wathctgry> Like a picture
Nov 21 02:29:44 <wathctgry> Do you just run a program on it that does that?
Nov 21 02:30:08 <prpplague> wathctgry: yes, just like any other computer that runs an operating system, such as PC with linux installed
Nov 21 02:30:16 <thews> wathctgry: have you heard of android or ubuntu?
Nov 21 02:30:49 <wathctgry> Oh, yeh, Android is an operating system for mobile devices with ARM
Nov 21 02:31:11 <wathctgry> Ubuntu is like Windows, right?
Nov 21 02:31:42 <thews> not really
Nov 21 02:31:58 <wathctgry> What's the difference?
Nov 21 02:32:06 <thews> that's a question to ask google
Nov 21 02:32:12 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 21 02:32:41 <wathctgry> No, no, I mean ubuntu is like windows, right?
Nov 21 02:32:46 <wathctgry> What so funny?
Nov 21 02:33:11 <thews> there's probably a billion differences
Nov 21 02:33:18 <wathctgry> WOW
Nov 21 02:33:28 <TehCaptain> ...
Nov 21 02:33:57 <thews> you can make windows be somewhat posix complaint
Nov 21 02:33:59 <thews> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX
Nov 21 02:34:19 <thews> but the basic fundamentals of how both work are considerably different
Nov 21 02:34:59 <wathctgry> Thanks for the info! So what is the BoneScript Library for?
Nov 21 02:35:49 <thews> it's just a library for various hardware control and communication via javascript
Nov 21 02:36:30 <thews> like arduino is for AVR
Nov 21 02:36:46 <wathctgry> how would I run a display screen like 4D 7" Cape
Nov 21 02:37:18 <thews> no idea
Nov 21 02:37:24 <wathctgry> You know, like displaying pictures, videos, and games
Nov 21 02:37:42 <wathctgry> What kind of IDE would I ues?
Nov 21 02:37:48 <thews> Qt GTK+
Nov 21 02:37:58 <wathctgry> What's that
Nov 21 02:38:02 <thews> google
Nov 21 02:38:25 <wathctgry> Qt GTK+ is google
Nov 21 02:39:47 <Biodragon> heh
Nov 21 02:39:56 <wathctgry> Howdee
Nov 21 02:40:40 <Biodragon> are you for real?
Nov 21 02:40:44 <Biodragon> he meant google it
Nov 21 02:41:24 <wathctgry> I'm new to this! Sorry!
Nov 21 02:41:49 <Biodragon> np, they're development IDEs
Nov 21 02:42:29 <Biodragon> wathctgry: check out http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/
Nov 21 02:43:40 <Biodragon> it tells you what it is, what you can do with it, how to use eclipse and in one of the videos how to use Qt to do graphical display
Nov 21 02:52:11 <wathctgry> Sorry, all, I lost connection!
Nov 21 02:52:25 <wathctgry> Biodragon, are you still there
Nov 21 02:54:40 <thews> wathctgry: check out http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/
Nov 21 02:54:40 <Biodragon> yes
Nov 21 02:54:42 <thews> watch all of those
Nov 21 02:54:51 <Biodragon> it tells you what it is, what you can do with it, how to use eclipse and in one of the videos how to use Qt to do graphical display
Nov 21 02:59:30 <thews> I'm a bad developer when it comes to making stuff easy for other people to use
Nov 21 02:59:43 <thews> I make stuff work well for me
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