**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 26 02:59:58 2013 Nov 26 03:20:14 anyone working on getting TinyG working with Json on the beagle? Nov 26 03:20:45 I just got TinyG setup on my laptop and about to set it up on the BeagleBone Black. Nov 26 03:21:34 tinyG, the motion-control software? I'm curious what it means to have it set up on your laptop; I thought it was exclusively for embedded systems Nov 26 03:22:46 (not the K-pop group, I assume.. Though having them on one's 'bone wouldn't necessarily... I'll show myself out.) Nov 26 03:23:15 so TinyG is a board that will handle machine code Nov 26 03:23:40 you connect to it over USB Nov 26 03:23:58 https://www.synthetos.com/project/tinyg/ Nov 26 03:24:21 right, but then you just spit g-code at it using a terminal program or a purpose-built sender or something, right? Nov 26 03:24:33 you can input commands via serial console... so what I got going was making tinyG move a stepper via my laptop's USB Nov 26 03:24:39 yep Nov 26 03:24:50 but it also has json Nov 26 03:25:03 so you can set it up to work through that... Nov 26 03:25:18 which still uses serial, but just through js Nov 26 03:25:43 ahh, neat. okay, the laptop part of the equation, I was not aware of. thanks! Nov 26 03:25:58 well, the laptop doesn't have to be part of the equation Nov 26 03:26:10 you can run TinyG from the beagleblack's USB Nov 26 03:26:18 but you have to have everything setup in js to handle serial Nov 26 03:26:59 https://github.com/giseburt/TinyG-node Nov 26 03:27:09 I guess it's called TinyG-node ;-) Nov 26 03:27:39 anyways, just asking if anyone on the channel has got it up and running... Nov 26 03:29:32 I sure haven't but that looks spiffy. What's the goal of running it on the 'bone rather than its native platform; more CPU for smoother math or faster motion or something? Nov 26 03:30:03 I think the idea is to shake things up Nov 26 03:30:32 what I mean is that typically you would use an Arduino --lacks userspace stuff-- or you would use a laptop/desktop as a dedicated machine Nov 26 03:30:58 if you could use a beagle, well that is a more efficient use of resources... Nov 26 03:31:08 at least that is what I think the argument is... Nov 26 03:31:21 the other arg. is: "why not?" :-p Nov 26 03:41:55 I'm right there with ya on the "why not?" angle. :) So does that mean you're planning to run the machine's UI on the same board as the motion-control? Nov 26 03:45:11 that's what you could do, yes. Nov 26 03:45:39 at least that is one compelling reason to do this whole thing... and something that isn't out there --at least I don't know of one. Nov 26 04:07:33 hello Nov 26 04:08:19 I wish to build a wireless router using beagleboard, can it be done ? thanks Nov 26 04:09:52 if you have to ask, then the answer's probably no. ;) Nov 26 04:10:35 What are the hardware requirements for a wireless router? what are the hardware capabilities of the beagleboard? what should the software do? do you have the skills to make software do that? There's your answer. Nov 26 04:13:53 There is a daughter board from TI which has wifi + bluetooth, can it be plug in and work ? Nov 26 04:22:56 I don't know, but you can use USB devices. Nov 26 04:37:27 Hi how do I get a wifi dongle to work on BBB? Nov 26 04:38:38 I tried Ourlink and a Wi-Pi and the BBB don't recognise either one. Nov 26 04:41:03 eikeon do you know anything abt the BBB? Nov 26 04:42:17 Bink_: which chipset does your dongle have, and which tutorial were you following? Nov 26 04:42:24 also, pastebin the output of lsusb Nov 26 04:43:40 Well I am new on the BBB, and trying to use a ourlink or a Wi-Pi dongle but neither will work Nov 26 04:45:01 I didn't follow any tutorial. I used the BBB guide on BBB site. Nov 26 04:45:50 I have two RPis and chatting on the model A one. Nov 26 04:46:38 http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Nov 26 04:48:10 briefly: "neither will work" isn't a useful question. "I see it in lsusb but there are no modules loaded, and I followed XYZ's tutorial to install the modules but I got errors at step 7" is a useful question. You see? Nov 26 04:53:17 Well, sorry, I am not very english literate. Please bare with me. When the window for network appears I have no clue what to enter in that window as for example in RPi is user friendly and comes up with a window to log into the hotspot. Nov 26 04:55:30 And the dongle in RPi is automatically recognized and configurred. The BBB does not recognize the dongles, nor do they turn on. Nov 26 04:56:17 Bink_: is the module for the dongle loaded/ or even built in the kernel? Nov 26 04:56:39 sounds like not :/ Nov 26 04:57:04 Not that I know of. I don't see the linux boot up list. Nov 26 04:57:26 I doubt the firmware is loaded for the wifi dongle Nov 26 04:57:41 Ok, so I need to upgrade? Nov 26 04:57:58 what dongle are you using? Nov 26 04:58:23 Ourlink or a Wi-Pi Nov 26 04:58:30 you may just need to install the driver Nov 26 04:59:07 from the CD that came with it??? Nov 26 05:00:54 Or do I have to down load it on a SD card then load into the BBB? Nov 26 05:01:50 And which driver you suggest I use to activate the dongle in BBB? Nov 26 05:04:05 thurgood u still there? Nov 26 05:04:19 not sure which package they'd be in Nov 26 05:05:13 ok then I will search for the package I need.... Thank u thurgood.... Nov 26 05:05:43 when you plug it in does dmesg show any changes? Nov 26 05:06:18 No. the led don't lite up either. Nov 26 05:06:54 Not enuf power to it??? Nov 26 05:07:45 are you powering the bbb through the usb or barrel connector? Nov 26 05:08:05 if USB you may be right about the power Nov 26 05:08:31 Ralink RT5370 appears to be the chipset Nov 26 05:09:00 it's own power supply thru the barrel connector. Nov 26 05:10:02 how many amps is the power supply? Nov 26 05:10:22 so I need a powered USB hub? Nov 26 05:10:35 1000mA Nov 26 05:13:28 Both of my RPis have powered USB hubs due to the sesitivity of the RPi's power usage. Nov 26 05:24:02 Well I guess the chat is over.... thank u thurgood... Nov 26 05:24:25 sure, sorry I couldn't be more help Nov 26 05:25:28 K, maybe next time... will keep searching for answers thru the BBB site. bye. Nov 26 05:25:29 why are you pi'ing in beagle? Nov 26 05:27:05 Trying to get the dongles to work on my BBB as it won't recognize the dongles to get on net. Nov 26 05:28:39 AND I found this chat site and thought I cud find someone to give me ans to why the BBB won't see the dongles. Nov 26 05:29:14 Ok, mrpackethead? Nov 26 06:03:48 Hello, does anyone knows is there any new beagleboard? Nov 26 06:04:07 latest BeagleBoard is BeagleBone Black. Nov 26 06:04:43 Does they have a delevoping beagleboard? Nov 26 06:06:51 There is an announced relationship with Arduino to develop the Arduino Tre. Nov 26 06:07:03 No other announcements on plans at this point. Nov 26 06:07:43 Is there other board like cheap beagleboneblack with duo core? Nov 26 06:21:47 hi all. can you run linux on a standalone bbb ? Nov 26 06:23:05 sure can Nov 26 06:23:53 i mean just a bbb untethered to any computer. and can you run apps like gimp and libre office with it Nov 26 06:24:03 yeah it's its own computer Nov 26 06:24:18 bring your own mouse, keyboard, and monitor Nov 26 06:24:37 ok. cool. im buying one just for that purpose. can you add it to a network? Nov 26 06:24:40 and maybe ethernet and probably 5v adapter Nov 26 06:25:22 yep Nov 26 06:25:31 RJ45 on board Nov 26 06:25:52 bbb is currently out o stock on rs-online. scheduled delivery is still on mid december. cant wait to get hold of it. Nov 26 06:26:18 i'll be going more frequently on this room b that time. thanks! Nov 26 06:26:25 no problemo Nov 26 06:26:32 There are more distributors that might have it in stock Nov 26 06:26:43 I ordered mine about two weeks ago, got it in 5 days Nov 26 06:27:05 thing is i'm in manila and we dont have that much supplier nearby Nov 26 06:27:07 Depends on where you live and where they can ship it to, I guess Nov 26 06:27:10 ahh yeah Nov 26 06:27:23 delivery charge will be as costly as the board :( Nov 26 06:27:29 bye Ferris. thanks again Nov 26 06:27:29 I believe it Nov 26 06:27:33 see ya dood Nov 26 06:28:07 or doodette Nov 26 06:28:10 bbb? Nov 26 06:28:40 BeagleBone Black! Nov 26 06:29:25 which is better bbb compare to pi model b? Nov 26 06:30:17 <_av500_> depends Nov 26 06:30:22 <_av500_> if you want HD video, rpi Nov 26 06:30:25 <`Ishq> Pi has a better graphics processor Nov 26 06:30:34 <_av500_> if you want to connect stuff, BBB Nov 26 06:30:34 <`Ishq> BBB has a more powerful CPU and more GPIO ports Nov 26 06:31:09 but pi have lower power CPU and more powerful graphic Nov 26 06:31:25 Can bbb play HD video? Nov 26 06:31:30 no Nov 26 06:31:40 ? Nov 26 06:31:44 it's not a set-top-box or XBMC target Nov 26 06:31:53 if you want XBMC, buy a pi Nov 26 06:32:19 I play movies in pi not using XBMC but omxplayer in Raspbian Nov 26 06:32:31 <_av500_> same thing Nov 26 06:32:40 <_av500_> wont work on the BBB Nov 26 06:32:50 even the omxplayer? Nov 26 06:32:55 <_av500_> even magic Nov 26 06:33:06 magic? Nov 26 06:33:12 <_av500_> zauberei Nov 26 06:33:25 <_av500_> IvanT: it will not work Nov 26 06:33:46 What about partial HD? Nov 26 06:34:15 <_av500_> what part? Nov 26 06:34:17 <_av500_> lower left? Nov 26 06:34:25 <_av500_> you can do VGA and maybe a bit of 720p Nov 26 06:34:28 780p Nov 26 06:34:32 <_av500_> depends Nov 26 06:34:38 <_av500_> its still 16bit only, so ugly Nov 26 06:35:09 the beagleboard have great improvement, the older board have lower speed and high cost Nov 26 06:35:44 <_av500_> true Nov 26 06:35:57 <_av500_> though the XM is not much slower Nov 26 06:36:08 it's still not a multimedia board though Nov 26 06:36:09 <_av500_> it also did only 720p Nov 26 06:36:10 the first board is $100+ Nov 26 06:38:23 the pi say maybe they will have new board at 2 or 3 years later, so I ask is there any developing board, do you know any? Nov 26 06:39:13 <_av500_> you want to wair 2-3 years? Nov 26 06:39:15 <_av500_> wait Nov 26 06:39:27 <_av500_> the BBB is what is here today, there is no use to speculate Nov 26 06:39:35 <_av500_> if you need HD video, it is not for you Nov 26 06:40:00 I can wait because the pi model b have low cpu and now I have model b Nov 26 06:40:14 <_av500_> fine Nov 26 06:40:34 <_av500_> if you need a fast CPU and HD video, you have to look elsehwere Nov 26 06:40:49 but just only pi and bbb are cheap Nov 26 06:41:04 <_av500_> see, there is a lesson here to be learned Nov 26 06:41:19 the others with duo core is double the price Nov 26 06:41:48 what do you do with your bbb? Nov 26 06:42:15 <_av500_> I hang out on irc mostly Nov 26 06:42:32 other than that? Nov 26 06:42:46 is that not a killer app? Nov 26 06:42:46 do you use the pins? Nov 26 06:43:04 * vagrantc chuckles Nov 26 06:43:33 * IvanT Think Nov 26 06:44:52 What OS do you use? Nov 26 06:44:59 in bbb? Nov 26 06:45:24 <_av500_> linux Nov 26 06:45:33 which linux? Nov 26 06:45:40 that's just a kernel Nov 26 06:45:41 ubuntu? Nov 26 06:45:45 <_av500_> Torvalds' Nov 26 06:46:02 Trollvalds' Linux Nov 26 06:46:11 ubuntu or angstrom Nov 26 06:46:23 Linux Torvald is a human not a OS. Nov 26 06:46:59 his name is Linus Nov 26 06:47:22 oh yeah, Linus Torvald I forgot Nov 26 06:48:06 @_av500: Then which OS do you use? Nov 26 06:48:19 <_av500_> homebrew Nov 26 06:48:27 <_av500_> and buildroot Nov 26 06:48:32 ? Nov 26 06:48:40 haven't heard of it Nov 26 06:48:48 Can bbb use ubuntu? Nov 26 06:49:08 @IvanT: yes we can use ubuntu Nov 26 06:49:54 armv7 based boards can use most distros Nov 26 06:50:05 one of the biggest advantages of the beaglebone black vs. raspberry pi is that it's armv7, which means it can run most distros Nov 26 06:50:24 it's the pi that's "special" and needs everything recompiled for its ancient ARMv6 Nov 26 06:50:24 Yeah, what about Raspbian? Nov 26 06:50:36 rather than being limited to something built specifically for it, such as raspbian Nov 26 06:50:37 plain debian works Nov 26 06:50:38 <_av500_> can yousay Debian? Nov 26 06:50:57 Raspbian wheezy not debian Nov 26 06:51:00 IvanT: raspbian is just debian's armhf port rebuilt for armv6, basically. Nov 26 06:51:06 there's a fedora built special for raspberry Nov 26 06:51:18 IvanT: so you'd be better of running debian on any armv7 capable hardware Nov 26 06:51:27 there's also fedora rebuilt for ARMv8 Nov 26 06:51:49 I know it is debian port and Ubuntu is also a debian port. Nov 26 06:52:15 But I doesn't know can it run Raspbian Wheezy? Nov 26 06:52:31 why do you think it needs to? Nov 26 06:53:07 IvanT: it's better to run Debian wheezy. Nov 26 06:53:19 IvanT: but technically, yes, it could run on raspbian. Nov 26 06:53:30 I'm sure you're able to drive a mercedes v8 with only 4 cylinders to be more like a VW Golf. but why would you? Nov 26 06:53:33 because Raspbian have many resources of learning, if I switch to debian or ubuntu i need to download all that files again Nov 26 06:53:55 dm8tbr: What do you mean? Nov 26 06:54:38 IvanT: running raspbian (which is built for ARMv6) on ARMv7 would be giving away lots of performance Nov 26 06:54:40 IvanT: sounds like you should just start experimenting to find out what works, at this point. Nov 26 06:55:49 <_av500_> rasbian is debian Nov 26 06:55:56 <_av500_> both are linux Nov 26 06:56:16 There is a problem with Pi, the problem is that when some problem happen, I have to off the switch, and the Raspbian will destroy, and need to reinstall, luckily I have the berryboot bootloader that won't destory the raspbian immediately. Nov 26 06:56:39 <_av500_> the cargo is strong in this one Nov 26 06:56:59 <_av500_> looks like you need rpiclockmodromboot Nov 26 06:57:10 Does the problem will happen in bbb? Nov 26 06:57:37 <_av500_> bad things always happen when you cut power to a emmc that is writing Nov 26 06:57:46 <_av500_> or sdcard Nov 26 06:57:57 <_av500_> muchthe same as for the C64 floppy drive Nov 26 06:58:06 brzzzzkffff Nov 26 06:58:08 bad things will happen at any time with anything for no apparent reason Nov 26 06:58:52 does bbb have berryboot? Nov 26 06:59:04 <_av500_> sigh Nov 26 06:59:09 or other bootloader? Nov 26 06:59:09 <_av500_> no Nov 26 06:59:12 <_av500_> it has u-boot Nov 26 06:59:46 * _av500_ forks uboot into dogboot Nov 26 07:00:00 * IvanT What is that? Nov 26 07:00:03 forkin da projects, feein da skids Nov 26 07:01:10 IvanT: it's a _proper_ bootloader Nov 26 07:01:44 proper, like a bow-tie? Nov 26 07:02:44 as opposed to shirtless-friday, bcm booting through GPU Nov 26 07:02:46 winchester knot Nov 26 07:03:08 thanks Nov 26 07:06:01 IvanT: it sounds like so far you're mostly just replicating instructions from other people. Once you're ready to take the plunge and do things on your own, you should look at buying something more advanced. More work, more learning experience. Nov 26 07:06:59 how do you do the underline? Nov 26 07:08:00 @av500:I have been trying to set up the project beagle bone android boot, I am using beaglebone black, I have been following your forums, you have specifically mentioned that I should be using a USB host android device, are ther any android phones in the market that have this feature Nov 26 07:08:36 I had to take a break from the channel for a week and I remember why instantly Nov 26 07:09:55 <_av500_> kmit: we used the galaxy nexus and the nexus 7 Nov 26 07:10:06 <_av500_> there are other phones too, but you have to google that yourself Nov 26 07:10:19 <_av500_> you can also use a linux PC, it does not have to be an android phone Nov 26 07:10:25 <_av500_> vvu|Log_away: ^^^^ Nov 26 07:10:47 <_av500_> have a look at vvu's github, there should be linux code too Nov 26 07:19:48 @av5000:well I am planning to work on HTC 1x, I would like to know how we can check the status of CONFIG_USB_OTG and USB_NET_RNDIS_HOST Nov 26 07:21:13 I think this guy mispriced the BBB http://www.ebay.nl/itm/BB-BBLK-000-Circuitco-Beaglebone-Black-Cortex-A8-Dev-Board-Run-Linux-and-Gnome-/300986567245 Nov 26 07:21:26 almost 1k pounds Nov 26 07:22:27 <_av500_> kmit: kmit do you have /proc/config.gz? Nov 26 07:22:29 <_av500_> on the phone Nov 26 07:22:47 <_av500_> I know nothing about HTC, you might take that question to the HTC crowd Nov 26 07:25:16 @av500: I am checking Nov 26 07:33:57 @av500:okay thanks, I will try using a linux PC, I have a query, can I use beagle bone black as the android device Nov 26 08:38:01 can anoyone direct me to a list of all syscalls supported on arm linux becauyse sys_time does not seem to be Nov 26 08:38:07 so im wondering wtf over Nov 26 08:44:23 mark4: how about https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/blob/beaglebone-3.2/arch/arm/kernel/calls.S Nov 26 08:45:02 CALL(OBSOLETE(sys_time)) Nov 26 08:45:03 ugh Nov 26 08:45:18 this returns -1 and = error and no result Nov 26 08:45:41 so what has this been replaced with? Nov 26 08:45:51 and is it only obsoleted on arm or is it obsoleted everywhere? Nov 26 08:45:53 ty btw Nov 26 08:46:22 np, I know google. Nov 26 08:46:31 but you got me interested :) Nov 26 08:46:36 i dont use google. Nov 26 08:46:42 well maybe you should... Nov 26 08:46:48 well. i very very very rarely use "google" Nov 26 08:46:53 good morning everybody Nov 26 08:46:54 or another search provider Nov 26 08:46:57 and personally i think anyone who does is insane Nov 26 08:47:01 i use startpage Nov 26 08:47:36 CALL(sys_clock_gettime) Nov 26 08:47:43 startpage = google results iirc Nov 26 08:47:44 maybe that one? Nov 26 08:47:54 das yes it proxies it Nov 26 08:48:01 google STILL does not get to track "me" Nov 26 08:48:29 they are quite capable of profiling such simple misdirections Nov 26 08:49:23 clock_gettime is for user defined clock/timers i think Nov 26 08:49:48 but NOT capable of associating those searches with me specifically Nov 26 08:50:07 http://linux.die.net/man/3/clock_gettime Nov 26 08:50:33 yes it gets the time of the clock whose ID you have specified Nov 26 08:50:35 nsa is capturing everything, so who cares about google :) Nov 26 08:50:49 google is more incidious than nsa Nov 26 08:51:00 how do you know? Nov 26 08:51:10 google has more money Nov 26 08:51:36 hah, maybe they get sponsored by nsa and therefore have money Nov 26 08:52:22 mark4: http://pastebin.com/LM4mDQyC Nov 26 08:53:02 sys_ni_syscall <--- i assume these are all "not implemented" Nov 26 08:53:35 gettimeofday im aware of. i was hoping to avoid using that Nov 26 08:53:45 why? Nov 26 08:54:02 if you need time for benchmarking use clock_gettime Nov 26 08:54:12 i forget why - i used to use it for this but sys_time was a better choice Nov 26 08:54:15 WAS. Nov 26 08:54:22 actually still IS a better choice on x86 Nov 26 08:54:26 but it does not seem to work on arm Nov 26 08:54:35 it returns -1 and no result Nov 26 08:56:11 I guess sys_time and gettimeofday all end up in the same code Nov 26 08:56:47 except gettimeofday is returning data and systime is not Nov 26 08:57:32 then we have a winner Nov 26 08:58:08 not yet. the values its returning are not making sense Nov 26 08:58:16 which is probably a good indication i screwed up Nov 26 08:58:59 ok thats better Nov 26 09:00:44 ok yup. fixt. was passing the tz/tv parameters in the wrong order Nov 26 09:00:56 because im using forth i should be specifying them backwards :) Nov 26 09:02:15 http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~baker/devices/lxr/http/source/linux/kernel/time.c#L57 Nov 26 09:02:38 mark4: if you set CONFIG_AEABI=n you can have sys_time back Nov 26 09:02:57 but then you fall back to legacy ABI Nov 26 09:03:00 vaizik im not bricking a prefectly good kernel :) Nov 26 09:03:07 just saying.. :) Nov 26 09:03:11 or just use sys_settimeofday() which ends up doing the same Nov 26 09:03:12 im not going to mess with recompiling my beagleboard xm kernel lol Nov 26 09:03:14 er, get Nov 26 09:03:22 sys_gettimeofday() Nov 26 09:03:31 yes. thats what i ahve reverted to using Nov 26 09:03:56 now my .date doesnt tell me its year 2103 Nov 26 09:04:39 it isnt Nov 26 09:04:56 i know that. you know that. my forth compiler insisted that it was Nov 26 09:15:20 I have not used forth for at least 20 years.. :O Nov 26 09:15:52 www.isforth.com <--- 32 bit x86 linux forth. the kernel is written on 100% pure asm (nasm) and uses no external libs. all done via syscalls Nov 26 09:16:01 the forth im working on right now is the arm port of that compiler Nov 26 09:16:48 can I ask why? :) Nov 26 09:17:05 sure. because developing applications in c is like opening a can with a rock Nov 26 09:17:16 well. thats a slight tweaking of a quote from a friend of mine Nov 26 09:17:17 I mean forth is probably the simplest language to compile or even interpret but still Nov 26 09:17:42 it also executes as fast as compiled C when its made t do so Nov 26 09:18:08 well. isforth the x86 forth was never intended to be optimized. yet ive never seen anything it does be slower than the equiv c Nov 26 09:18:23 in fact my terminfo stuff including full text windowing is FASTER than ncurses Nov 26 09:18:27 but... thats not a bash against ncurses Nov 26 09:18:39 I don't mind a bit of ncurses bashing Nov 26 09:18:49 just don't kill it Nov 26 09:19:01 ncurses caters to all the stupid fuck ups in every single terminal there is. libncurses has GOBS of duct tape code Nov 26 09:19:22 yes that's kinda the point. or was when it was created. Nov 26 09:19:23 i refuse to fix other peopls broken stuff just to make my compiler work with it Nov 26 09:19:35 yes. thats an admirable thing for him to do Nov 26 09:20:02 but if your terminal stupidly defins 0 as not black. then your going to get a putrid non black background in my compiler Nov 26 09:20:06 i.e. gnome term Nov 26 09:20:29 or. if your so freeking stupid you put terminfo files in /lib/terminfo then... my forth system is simply going to not work at all Nov 26 09:20:44 i wont look in /lib/terminfo becayse the FHS says terminfo goes in /usr/share/terminfo Nov 26 09:21:01 yet every debian distribution out there has their head up their ass and puts terminfo files in /lib/terminfo Nov 26 09:21:05 so what exectly are you implementing in Forth? :) Nov 26 09:21:07 i refuse to fix my code Nov 26 09:21:13 1: its fun Nov 26 09:21:25 no, what. not why Nov 26 09:21:29 2: i can now develop linux applications and NEVER take evne so much as a single look at shitty C code Nov 26 09:21:41 oooh Nov 26 09:21:51 right now im implementing forth :) Nov 26 09:22:15 you're like one of those carpenters that spent years making their own tool chests ;) Nov 26 09:22:24 i hit a wall with my x86 forth - one i didnt hit on my 8051 forth or my avr forth or probably this arm forth Nov 26 09:22:33 no im not making forths for the sake of making forths Nov 26 09:22:41 i fully intend to use them. Nov 26 09:22:58 when i start working i want to get the components to build a CNC milling machine Nov 26 09:23:08 I wield my Forth in anger, let ye who doubt this enter my stack and be popped Nov 26 09:23:09 and use a few atmga32u4's from adafruit to control it Nov 26 09:23:32 its called drop not pop :P Nov 26 09:23:37 :) Nov 26 09:23:48 yea my calculator has drop too Nov 26 09:23:53 should have remembered Nov 26 09:24:12 im going to sneek in when your not looing and silently redistribute that calculator Nov 26 09:24:17 Vaizki_: you made my day Nov 26 09:24:18 looking Nov 26 09:24:54 it's just a crappy HP 35s Nov 26 09:25:19 I can't manage without RPN or Excel Nov 26 09:25:55 operator presidence is UTTERLY FUCKING MORONIC. Nov 26 09:26:13 order of operations should always equate exactly to "the order they are presented in" Nov 26 09:26:22 anyway, I wish the HP 35s had a 3 or 4 line display tbh Nov 26 09:26:27 that alone makes C horrendously stupid Nov 26 09:26:30 thats called 48, no? Nov 26 09:26:58 I have a 48sx at home, but it's a huge chunk of battery gobbling madness :) Nov 26 09:27:04 the 35s is nice and light Nov 26 09:27:09 and cheap as chips Nov 26 09:27:41 yes, I have 2 Nov 26 09:27:46 the anniversary edition Nov 26 09:27:59 yes.. well the 33s was just horrid Nov 26 09:28:04 its cheap shit compared to the older ones Nov 26 09:28:04 like a cheap remote for a satellite tv box Nov 26 09:28:06 so ill send u copies of my arm forth once ive ironed out all the wrinkles Nov 26 09:28:24 just github it for all the world? Nov 26 09:28:30 e.g. the 32SII Nov 26 09:28:34 no Nov 26 09:28:37 is way better in terms of buttons Nov 26 09:28:38 i wont use github Nov 26 09:28:41 haha Nov 26 09:28:46 Vaizki_: he dont do github Nov 26 09:28:50 right Nov 26 09:28:59 I just steal shit from there Nov 26 09:29:02 is not the forth way Nov 26 09:29:02 too much fucking hard work to maintain it Nov 26 09:29:12 we need forthhub Nov 26 09:29:13 more like a fifth column Nov 26 09:29:17 could always just broadcast it on shortwave using CW Nov 26 09:29:58 archived for all eternity as electromagnetic waves hurtling through the vast nothing of interplanetary vacuum Nov 26 09:33:32 Vaizki_, if there was forthhub i wouldnt use it. too much like hard work Nov 26 09:33:45 i have no interest in "managing" things other than on my laptop Nov 26 09:34:10 want a copy it will be zipped up and shipped out to www.isforth.com and it will be a zip. not a version history browsing web site Nov 26 09:34:30 i also hate it when people use version control as a distribution medium Nov 26 09:34:51 have you guys ever seen the HP Prime calculator in real life? Nov 26 09:36:11 well it's probably crap. Nov 26 09:41:00 but it does have a 400MHz ARM9 inside.. wonder if it would be easy to hack.. :O Nov 26 09:55:31 mark4: btw: opening a can with a rock is very easy and straight forward: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2NahLjx-Y Nov 26 10:26:56 other than these technical refference manuals, anyone know of a good resource ofr learning about the PRUs and assembly on the BB Black? Nov 26 10:29:15 iirc there is a page on elinux Nov 26 10:29:55 oh.. and you have to use the right TRM: spruh73c.pdf Nov 26 10:30:03 other versions contain less information Nov 26 10:57:45 [kernel] anithamol closed pull request #76: Added camera cape support for Beaglebone Black (3.8...3.8) http://git.io/A3G6MQ Nov 26 11:15:40 [kernel] anithamol opened pull request #77: 3.8 (3.8...3.8) http://git.io/Yv276w Nov 26 12:28:03 guys! Problem :_) gstreamer-plugins-bad is not building from Angstrom Sources, Here's the pastebin of the build procedure, If anyone can help :) "http://pastebin.com/KRz9JspE" Nov 26 12:37:38 kevin-rz2: looks like the problem is with omap3-sgx-modules not gstreamer-plugins-bad Nov 26 12:38:55 kevin-rz2: try to install ia32-libs in your host machine as TI installer fails for this reason Nov 26 12:42:37 kevin-rz2: hmmm, well the problem is this " error: implicit declaration of function 'cpu_is_omap3530'" not the TI installed. Looks like you're trying to build the sgx modules against an unsupported kernel Nov 26 12:46:52 Hello everone this is my first time here Nov 26 12:47:00 everyone Nov 26 12:49:25 i will resume in a few words:what is the command line to install a downloaded repository that is now on my desktop on the beagle black? sorry but i'm new to linux angstrom and i am totally lost :-( Nov 26 12:50:50 no one here? Nov 26 12:52:42 anyone here? Nov 26 12:53:27 no one here but us chickens. Nov 26 12:54:12 yes i can imagine !...can u help me with a beaglebone problem? Nov 26 12:54:30 so, you downloaded a .deb file and you want to install it? Nov 26 12:55:34 er wait, you're using angstrom. im only familiar with the debian install on BBBk Nov 26 12:55:51 cip1959 : opkg install helloworld-0.0.ipk Nov 26 12:55:56 if its debian based, dpkg is what you're looking for. Nov 26 12:56:30 * flufmnstr suggests listening to MatthieuG, however. Nov 26 12:56:32 i downloaded a remote repo on my computer but i don't know the command lines on my mac os terminal in order to install that repo in the beaglebone black. My beagle is angsytrom linux....isn't it opkg ? Nov 26 12:57:39 MatthieuG what do you mean about install world ? sorry but i'm a bit new to the beagle Nov 26 12:59:32 helloworld is just an example package, the command is "opkg" followed by "install" and "the/path/of/your/package" Nov 26 13:02:21 MatthieuG thanks for your answers...thats where i'm stuck....i cannot figure out the path to that directory wich is on my MAC desktop.....driving me crazy since last night..... Nov 26 13:03:06 well i am using the default kernel configuration, should i run menuconfig and enable something? or move to an older kernel version? the one present in Angstrom is 3.8 Nov 26 13:05:19 how do you reach a path on a directory installed on the desktop iMac .....need that path to opkg install to the beaglebone black ...... Nov 26 13:12:23 ssh 192.168.7.2 -l root Nov 26 13:13:21 cip1959: you dont Nov 26 13:13:36 cip1959: different computers with no filesharing between them Nov 26 13:14:40 IMHO, download filezilla Nov 26 13:15:05 use sftp://[beagle ip] as the host and port 22 Nov 26 13:15:23 drop the file, ssh in, run opkg. Nov 26 13:17:06 or ssh into the bone, sftp back into your mac, get [filename], run opkg Nov 26 13:17:42 KotH, thanks for your answer...yes i have done that command line and i can enter in the beagleblack via termina. But i want to install the package ans the command must be opkg install (full path). i will try now as i have a path mabye of this type: opkg install /users/pietrocipolla/Desktop/Libetech-QR-Entry. But is there some kind of .ipk to put in the end ?? Nov 26 13:17:43 basically, you cant install a package one one computer to another. you have to put it on the destination computer Nov 26 13:19:06 if the package you wish to install isnt on the beaglebone, its not going to work. Nov 26 13:19:39 move the package from your mac, to the bone. then run opkg install blah.ipk Nov 26 13:21:06 it needs a path in the local filesystem. Nov 26 13:21:16 Flufmnstr thanks for your answers, but how do i move it ? i mean it must be on the mac before you install it? this is driving me crazy.... Nov 26 13:21:25 your iMac is not the bone's local file system Nov 26 13:22:03 ive given you 2 options for moving files across computers Nov 26 13:22:13 can you give me a clue on how to do this? Nov 26 13:22:32 [05:14:47] IMHO, download filezilla Nov 26 13:22:33 [05:15:12] use sftp://[beagle ip] as the host and port 22 Nov 26 13:22:33 [05:15:31] drop the file, ssh in, run opkg. Nov 26 13:22:33 [05:17:13] or ssh into the bone, sftp back into your mac, get [filename], run opkg Nov 26 13:23:13 or if you still have the URL you got the package from do wget [package URL] Nov 26 13:24:14 any work around for that? i need to run uvch264_src on gstreamer 1.0 :/ Nov 26 13:26:02 cip1959: well, the bbb is a different computer. you cannot access files from one computer on another without some form of file sharing or file transfer Nov 26 13:26:33 Flufmnstr , yes this is the url : https://github.com/sciguy14/LibeTech-QR-WebSystem.git so you mean i have to make this command line: wget https://github.com/sciguy14/LibeTech-QR-WebSystem.git ? Nov 26 13:26:41 cip1959: i think the simplest solution would be to either use scp/sftp as flufmnstr suggested or run a local webserver on your mac Nov 26 13:27:08 cip1959: git repos are downloaded using git, not wget ;) Nov 26 13:27:35 oooohhhhhhh a git repo. Nov 26 13:28:13 Koth i tried the command line: Git clone https://github.com/sciguy14/LibeTech-QR-WebSystem.git but no luck Nov 26 13:28:36 lowercase g in git Nov 26 13:29:21 yes i did it in lowercase but still..... Nov 26 13:29:40 try git clone git://github.com/sciguy14/LibeTech-QR-WebSystem.git Nov 26 13:29:49 it might not like the https handeler Nov 26 13:29:55 * flufmnstr is not a git master Nov 26 13:30:23 *try on the bone, of course. Nov 26 13:30:58