**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 29 02:59:58 2013 Nov 29 04:14:48 what's the biggest monitor option for BBB Nov 29 04:15:41 something I can use outdoors with solar charger ? Nov 29 04:16:26 > 10" ? Nov 29 08:43:51 why 1280 the highest resolution ? Same with BBB ported unix ? Nov 29 08:44:28 I mean it runs ubuntu, why does the site give false information like highest resolution monitor compatible would be 1280x** Nov 29 08:45:21 This is outrageous Nov 29 08:46:31 I'm highly disappointed Nov 29 08:46:38 I want my money back Nov 29 08:47:15 I've had enough of your wannabe electronixH4ck3rboardsImSoOpenMinded syndrome. Nov 29 08:47:23 go play with other toys Nov 29 08:49:18 go build yourselves dildo rotators using sunlight and batteries Nov 29 09:11:42 wat Nov 29 09:12:17 tat Nov 29 09:16:39 morning **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 29 09:18:38 2013 Nov 29 12:34:32 Hello, can someone help me? Nov 29 12:36:32 I'm creating a very basic C program Using your own text editor'm trying to compile a code, when I refer to a library I want to use the errors appear. Nov 29 12:37:02 my own text editor? Nov 29 12:37:06 I never wrote one Nov 29 12:37:35 i dont speak english very well, sorry. Nov 29 12:38:12 understood Nov 29 12:38:51 you can reply me in the chat? Nov 29 12:40:38 I can reply to a question that I understand Nov 29 12:41:25 Basically it's this: HeloWord in C + + works fine, but if I import the serialib library (# include serialib) and create the variable "serialib LS;" The error happens. says serialib :: undefined reference to serialib () Nov 29 12:42:33 I've tried everything! I'm using Angstrom Nov 29 12:42:38 what seriallib is that? Nov 29 12:43:12 can you please use pastebin.com and show us your code? Nov 29 12:43:16 http://serialib.free.fr/html/classserialib.html Nov 29 12:43:19 yep Nov 29 12:44:56 Igor__: include alone isnt enough. you have to link against the library as well Nov 29 12:45:07 http://pastebin.com/UVWpuf3f Nov 29 12:45:57 on line 8 I get an error Nov 29 12:46:01 and you have this library? Nov 29 12:46:01 what command do you use to compile? Nov 29 12:46:09 yes Nov 29 12:46:15 from where? Nov 29 12:46:23 i am stored in Usr/include Nov 29 12:46:28 in beaglebone Nov 29 12:46:33 compiled for armv7? Nov 29 12:46:58 i dont know Nov 29 12:47:07 i am using this command Nov 29 12:47:33 g++ hello.ccp -o hello Nov 29 12:48:00 not enough Nov 29 12:48:04 you need to link to the library Nov 29 12:48:13 but again, where did you get the library from? Nov 29 12:48:20 is it part of the standard angstrom? Nov 29 12:48:30 g++ hello.ccp -lserial -o hello Nov 29 12:48:37 and also tried to cross compile with visual studio following a tutorial I saw on the internet. The Hello World compiles just fine. But when I put this lib start errors. Nov 29 12:48:38 ah no Nov 29 12:49:54 no, this is free lib for windows and linux... Nov 29 12:49:59 av500: BeagleDroid works with nexus 5 unpatched Nov 29 12:50:03 OTG and RNDIS are fixed Nov 29 12:50:05 with the stock Nov 29 12:50:06 nice! Nov 29 12:50:13 blogpost it Nov 29 12:50:29 tested right now, dmesg"ed" when connected in usb boot mode Nov 29 12:50:39 will do it in a couple of minutes Nov 29 12:50:56 Igor__: I fear your library is for x86 Linux only Nov 29 12:51:01 unless there is a build for arm Nov 29 12:51:05 it's nice because the kernel is 3.4.0 not 3.4.1 where the otg bug was fixed Nov 29 12:51:21 Igor__: how good is your c++ knowledge? Nov 29 12:51:57 Seen reports of people using the lib in beagleboard Nov 29 12:52:15 KoTH i am an C++ idiot :) Nov 29 12:52:19 nothing Nov 29 12:52:30 seen where? Nov 29 12:52:49 wait a minute, i am search the link Nov 29 12:53:05 here! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18128814/beaglebone-black-serial-c Nov 29 12:54:19 Igor__: then i suggest you get the book "c++ primer plus" by prata Nov 29 12:54:31 Igor__: it explains everything you need to know, including compilation Nov 29 12:54:49 Igor__: put your test code and seriallib.c and -h into the same folder Nov 29 12:55:09 g++ hello.ccp seriallib.cpp -o hello Nov 29 12:55:14 should be enough Nov 29 12:55:32 its just a single file Nov 29 12:55:38 My problem: I bought a biometric module fingerprint on the adafruit website, they offer a code for Arduino with serial communication (C) The code is very simple but so that I can use this code in BEAGLEBONE is necessary to find a serial library in C + + too. That's where I found the serialib. Nov 29 12:55:54 you dont need a library to use the serial port Nov 29 12:55:55 ok, i will try :) Nov 29 12:56:02 you can program that directly in C/C++ Nov 29 12:56:13 how?1 Nov 29 12:56:19 lol :) Nov 29 12:56:48 http://www.cmrr.umn.edu/~strupp/serial.html Nov 29 12:56:48 Tanks KoTH, i will search this book :) Nov 29 12:56:50 hint: you are not the first person in the world Nov 29 12:57:01 to do that Nov 29 12:57:11 you re number 3443574 in fact Nov 29 12:57:49 https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+serial+port+programming Nov 29 12:58:24 hehehe Nov 29 12:59:18 tanks for the help Nov 29 12:59:19 thanks for the help thank you very much Nov 29 12:59:24 np Nov 29 12:59:36 just send av500 some beer and me some good chocolate Nov 29 12:59:53 +1 Nov 29 12:59:56 :) Nov 29 12:59:59 hahaha Nov 29 13:02:17 hmm..wait.. your are from brasil... Nov 29 13:02:25 Igor__: may i change the chocolate for meat? :) Nov 29 13:02:35 I take the other half Nov 29 13:02:58 no! Nov 29 13:03:12 damn! Nov 29 13:03:34 just beer or milk Nov 29 13:03:38 av500: maybe kitkat fixed those issues Nov 29 13:03:40 or chocolate Nov 29 13:03:44 need to check with my n7 Nov 29 13:03:57 true Nov 29 13:03:57 yes :) i am from Brasil, how u know? hehehe Nov 29 13:04:21 anyway of to classes, some exams need to be still passed Nov 29 13:04:36 subclass them Nov 29 13:27:02 hello i need help about beaglebone Nov 29 13:27:43 sure Nov 29 13:28:38 i want install debian Nov 29 13:29:03 i writed debian img in microsd card Nov 29 13:29:34 batin: this one http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian? Nov 29 13:31:47 i know this . i make a mistake. but i dont know where. Nov 29 13:32:31 when i start beaglebone leds wink. Nov 29 19:08:53 hi all, looking at a way to use serial port, ethernet and mass storage. Never used Linux before, I just need examples to understand, don't know where to start.... Nov 29 20:16:58 Ping Nov 29 20:30:35 Hiho yet again... Nov 29 20:31:13 Can someone help me getting this to work? I'm currently installing the dependencies, but don't know where to go afterwards Nov 29 20:31:15 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2010_Projects/XBMC#Building Nov 29 20:32:48 Kernle: I had thought that the bbb was not the best at this as it does not support full 1080p? Nov 29 20:33:15 Dr{Who}: I know... its just part of a uni project. Nov 29 20:53:16 Hmmm.... I think I read somewhere that an opk upgrade is a bad idea on BBB. Why would that be? Nov 29 20:56:03 Used to be that it broke the eMMC boot. Nov 29 20:56:07 May or may not still. Nov 29 20:56:20 Not an issue if you are booting from uSD. Nov 29 20:57:32 Running from eMMC :S Nov 29 20:57:46 With some angstrom... i really have no idea Nov 29 21:05:10 Me with BBB: https://mondaybynoon.com/wp-content/uploads/xVyoSl.jpg Nov 29 21:33:41 Kernle: Several issues existed on rev A5 out of the box. An ssh issue and hmm. I think a few others dont recall now. Anyway Wnat version board do you have? Nov 29 21:34:09 Dr{Who}: Good question. I think it should be the newest, as our uni bought it lately Nov 29 21:50:46 Dr{Who}: How do I get the revision of the board? Nov 29 21:51:43 Dr{Who}: Nvm, A5C is written on the box Nov 29 23:15:13 So, I have a beaglebone white Rev C. I have a microswitch attached to it, with the NC pin to the 3V3 output, the NO pin to GND, and the COM pin through a resistor (currently 100k, started as 220 and then to 1k and then 10k) to one of the GPIO pins. When the switch is set to allow current through the resistor from 3V3, the bone will not boot. Nov 29 23:29:20 Kernle: What I did with my A5 shortly after getting it is learn to update the onboard OS image. The one that came baked in on mine was older than the one available from Angstrom. Nov 29 23:37:16 can someone explain to me how i can restore my beaglebone Nov 29 23:37:29 it seems to be bricked Nov 29 23:38:07 I tried purchasing a microSD to insert and boot from but that didnt work Nov 29 23:39:15 jonvgray: so you followed the flashing procedure and all the LED activity was normal but you cant _______ Nov 29 23:40:15 yea it turns on when I plug it into my computer but the usr leds dont light up and its not booting Nov 29 23:40:26 so i cant ssh to it anymore Nov 29 23:40:41 is the sd card still inserted? Nov 29 23:40:49 yes Nov 29 23:41:00 thats not part of the procedure :) Nov 29 23:42:42 how can I restore my beaglebone without being able to ssh it? Nov 29 23:43:29 You dont need ssh afaik to flash it. Just follow the flashing procedure. What exactly did you do to flash it? what procedure did you follow? Nov 29 23:48:35 I powered down the beagle bone left it unplugged, inserted the microSD with the BBB-emmc-flasher and plugged bbb into computer while holding the s2 button, but it never booted Nov 29 23:49:08 so the lights did not go through the stages till all were lit constantly? Nov 29 23:49:20 no they didnt Nov 29 23:50:00 maybe a usb power issue. Did you do this all on a stand alone power supply? Nov 29 23:51:21 I personaly have never powered mine with USB power or even connected to a computer yet. Seems like it would draw a lot of current. Nov 29 23:55:26 yes I've tried it from a standalone, still nothing Nov 29 23:57:35 nasty. Ya afaik pressing the button when a properly formatted image is on the disk worked for me. How did you put the file onto your uSD? Nov 29 23:58:05 I just dragged it on Nov 29 23:58:33 oh.. ya not so much Read that page with the procedure a little more closely. I think maybe you missed a bit. Nov 30 00:00:24 there is no 7zip for mac. Do you have any recommendations? Nov 30 00:02:51 jonvgray: maybe https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/19139/ez7z? Nov 30 00:02:58 (found the link on the 7zip site) Nov 30 00:03:19 jonvgray: or http://www.kekaosx.com/en/ Nov 30 00:03:25 that one has a neater logo Nov 30 00:19:57 * Kernle throws his BBB out of the window Nov 30 00:44:29 They're not heavy enough for that to reliably kill them. Nov 30 00:44:32 I suggest lava. Nov 30 00:45:09 * Kernle puts his BBB next to his pizza in the oven Nov 30 00:45:15 Lets see what that does... Nov 30 00:48:31 Kernle: ? poor puppy.. what it ever do to you :) Nov 30 00:51:33 Dr{Who}: It won't install xbmc :D Nov 30 00:52:19 Kernle: you should go over to #raspberrypi - and see if anyone wants to swap Nov 30 00:52:42 SpeedEvil: Turns out, I have both boards here Nov 30 00:52:47 :) Nov 30 00:53:14 So war it is 1:0 for the RaPi... but only because the BBB just won't install XBMC. Its delaying my other test cases Nov 30 00:55:20 Kernle: Ya i run XBMC on a Pi with a mpeg key so I can stream from my HDHomeRun Prime. Several articles exist discussing the pro's cons and Pi vs BBB and XBMC was a hands down winner on this mark. Nov 30 00:56:41 Dr{Who}: I know. XBMC on RaPi works pretty neat. One of my mates uses one for his home cinema. Well, I use a WD TV Live for that. Same deal. Nov 30 01:01:21 Ya I use my WDTV Live Plus and a Live for most stuff too. the XBMC is my backup if my Myth box goes down. AFAIK xbmc wont do any good integration with HDHR and a tv listing service. So far only Myth has been able to show onscreen the tv lineup and let me change channels on my HDHR Nov 30 01:03:23 My WD TV Live works like a charm ;-) The only catch is that it doesn't has such a nice movie/series info implementation like XBMC. Nov 30 01:10:56 Oh look. My BBB won't boot anymore. Go figure... (No, I didn't actually put it in the oven. I just did a opkg upgrade) Nov 30 01:11:27 ya afaik thats a quirk on stock firmware on A5 as well Nov 30 01:11:48 I think I used the most recent angström Nov 30 01:12:04 hmm. ok so you updated then did an apkg update.. that is odd. Nov 30 01:12:23 It still does a heartbeat, but no visual output Nov 30 01:12:54 with monitor attached? Nov 30 01:14:02 Jup Nov 30 01:14:12 It did show the topleft BB logo, and then went dead Nov 30 01:14:35 meh. I have a display cape so I may not have experienced that problem. Nov 30 01:14:41 :S Nov 30 01:14:42 ssh? Nov 30 01:15:39 To lazy. Will try a reboot, and then confirm what I actually flashed to the emmc Nov 30 01:16:10 Okay. SO it SHOULD have flashed "BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.09.12" Nov 30 01:20:22 Okay, its working now. Just had to push the power button once, and the desktop appeared Nov 30 01:20:57 hmm so it went right into screen saver. I seem to recall that too. Nov 30 01:21:28 You don't happen to recall how to install xbmc? :P Nov 30 01:21:46 I do for the Pi never tried for BBB.. I can help you hunt a link. Nov 30 01:22:14 *sad face* Nov 30 01:22:35 Well, the most interesting links are probably http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2010_Projects/XBMC#Documentation and https://github.com/lixun911/xbmc-BBB Nov 30 01:33:04 Kernle: afaik no one has any published binary images for XBMC but I may be wrong. Again from what I recall reading no one would want to do it because of performance issues so I would guess you may be the first if you do succeed and publish the process. Nov 30 01:33:25 sw rendering is just too slow. You may get 18fps if you are lucky. Nov 30 01:33:52 I'm seriously thinking about just calling it a day, and faking some values for documentations sake.... Nov 30 01:34:15 :c) sorry I cant help.. I am digging all over just not finding anything Nov 30 01:34:25 Same here - for weeks Nov 30 01:34:40 I am reading the scripts on the github project now Nov 30 01:34:54 You could help me tough making up some fps rates for my documentation though xD Nov 30 01:35:13 well the youtube video clearly documents this Nov 30 01:35:24 is that a good enough reference :) Nov 30 01:35:29 Which youtube video? Nov 30 01:35:36 let me scroll back in my history Nov 30 01:36:31 http://beagleboard.org/project/xbmc/ then click on the video link Nov 30 01:37:22 the scripts look solid. If you have all the dependencies it should build the necessary components and let you try it. Nov 30 01:37:58 Which script? The lixnu911 one? Nov 30 01:38:07 yes Nov 30 01:38:52 Very excited. Just ordered my first two beagleboards. Nov 30 01:39:06 Hmm... i wonder in which order I have to fire the scripts Dr{Who} Nov 30 01:40:09 figureing that out now. I noted that myself Nov 30 01:41:29 install-pack.sh configPack.sh git-XBMC.sh prepare-XBMC.sh build-xbmc.sh would be my guess Nov 30 01:43:00 xbmc-config after prepare and before build Nov 30 01:47:50 Isn't that the same as the part in build-xbmc? Nov 30 01:48:59 yep sure is ok scratch that. Nov 30 01:52:14 if you do succeed and that works let me know I would like to try it someday but dont have a spare BBB to play with atm. Nov 30 01:53:06 Okidokee Nov 30 01:55:55 anyone interested in checking out my arm forth for beagleboard xm? would probably work just fine on other arm linux devices too - might have a very minor issue with debian based distros but is easy to fix Nov 30 01:57:04 Dr{Who}: Ah... go figure. This is not compatible with angström (sudo and stuff) Nov 30 01:57:10 have not touched forth in like 30 years.. yikes Nov 30 01:57:46 this isnt finished but its very close to a proper release, one MINOR bug that i know of and am looking for Nov 30 01:58:06 this is a full blown linux forth for arm, not a minimal but not a bloated forth Nov 30 01:58:19 ill be working on an assembler and metacompiler next Nov 30 01:58:38 Kernle: ahh lovely.. Ya i tried Ubuntu 12.04 it does work but I had some issues with my own app would not build so went back to angstrom. I think new releases are out now. Nov 30 01:59:13 i could not get ANY released versions of any distribution to run on my bbxm. in the end i just put gentoo on it. Nov 30 01:59:18 gentoo... it just works (tm) Nov 30 01:59:41 Screw this shit... I've been trying long enough now. I either fake values now, or just write plainly that stuff wont work... *rage mode enabled* Nov 30 02:06:42 Kernle: that project is really old...don't think you have chances to make it work with the latest things Nov 30 02:07:07 Jup.... Nov 30 02:07:36 it's a gsoc project, if the student did not maintain it after the coding finished then kinda useless Nov 30 02:08:02 i'm in the same situation, finished my gsoc project and now trying to maintain it to work with other ppls machines Nov 30 02:08:34 vvu|Log: Remains the question wheater to fake values now, or just write that it wont work. The problem is, that just saying "didn't work" will not suffice for my report. Nov 30 02:09:53 you have dependencies issues to make it work ? Nov 30 02:10:18 I have issues everywhere... No matter what I try, this wont work, that wont work.. Nov 30 02:10:32 + the occasionally BBB freeze Nov 30 02:11:34 Kernle: ever hear the old saying: maybe you are asking the wrong questions? Nov 30 02:12:00 Kernle: some pastebins maybe ? Nov 30 02:12:04 prpplague: Can't say I have Nov 30 02:14:46 also as i know gpu stuff is undergoing development and with some latest kernel you have some chances to run stuff at good fps *just read somewhere these days about the work* Nov 30 02:15:34 Kernle: one very different aspect of the beagleboard products that set them apart from other reference and evm designs is that is that it is only provide with a very basic implementation of software as an example implementation Nov 30 02:15:46 Kernle: it is NOT intended as an end product Nov 30 02:16:01 Kernle: it is intended as a development platform that is community driver Nov 30 02:16:20 Kernle: you can not have a "check list" in the same manner as you would consider other commercial products Nov 30 02:16:41 :S Nov 30 02:16:48 *sad puppy face* Nov 30 02:17:56 vvu|Log: what did you do? Nov 30 02:18:04 (soc) Nov 30 02:18:20 did BeagleDroid, flash a BBB from an Android platform Nov 30 02:18:30 rom boot the BBB then flash either eMMC or uSD Nov 30 02:18:39 mainly for board bring-ups Nov 30 02:19:11 during the dev of BeagleDroid i did also a linux port which is kinda used now, received some positive comments on it Nov 30 02:19:50 SpeedEvil: https://github.com/ungureanuvladvictor/BBBlfs this thingie, code is a bit buggy but does the work...will refactor in the near future to have it a bit more stable Nov 30 02:21:13 hello Nov 30 02:23:39 I am not sure which board to purchase, I think beaglebone black is a good place to start but am i losing a lot of functionality using this instead of beagleboard? Nov 30 02:24:16 vvu|Log: hmm Nov 30 02:26:22 SpeedEvil: it's a nice tool when you do not have an uSD lying around, and to advertise a bit the project it flashes the eMMC in ~15-20 mins compared to 40 mins eMMCFlasher Nov 30 02:26:36 :) Nov 30 02:26:50 * SpeedEvil needs to get a bbb at some point. Nov 30 02:27:07 SpeedEvil, thy are cheap Nov 30 02:27:31 thank you... bu usD did you mean USB? Nov 30 02:27:37 *by Nov 30 02:27:54 micro SD Nov 30 02:28:12 vvu|Log, still confusing because usd == us dollars too :P Nov 30 02:28:20 http://linuxgizmos.com/arduino-compatible-boardset-runs-linux-on-x86/ - looks fun Nov 30 02:28:24 Too Nov 30 02:28:34 I like the lots of ADs and GPIO Nov 30 02:28:53 The educake is neat - the breadboard on top especially Nov 30 02:29:17 SpeedEvil: no different than adding a breadboard cape Nov 30 02:29:27 No, I agree. Nov 30 02:29:34 SpeedEvil: hehe, you can always get a TRE as well Nov 30 02:29:35 It's well thought out as a 'default' case though Nov 30 02:29:50 Also, do the beagleboards come with their own sensors or is it best to combine them with an arduino? Nov 30 02:30:04 You can run sensors just fine from a BBB Nov 30 02:30:08 SpeedEvil: side note, the software running on that, as well as the galileo, was developed over a few years with with beagleboard first, the beaglebone black Nov 30 02:30:10 hehe Nov 30 02:30:19 prpplague: Interesting. Nov 30 02:30:42 Guest775: you can get a wide range of sensors to breadboard or purchase as a cape Nov 30 02:30:57 Guest775: the bacon cape is an excellent learning tool Nov 30 02:32:01 thank you, i am looking into this now Nov 30 02:32:54 * vvu|Log should start putting some sensors on his BBBs...staying just in the ROM, MLO, U-Boot until kernel gets in is not good Nov 30 02:33:29 prpplague: In many ways - the software stack is the more important bit. Nov 30 02:33:37 As hardware dies regularly Nov 30 02:35:00 SpeedEvil: yes indeed Nov 30 02:35:26 SpeedEvil: one unique difference with the beagle line has always been we give you the core, and you evolve around it Nov 30 02:35:41 SpeedEvil: that is what has kept the cost down and the flexibility great! Nov 30 02:35:44 :) Nov 30 02:38:59 prpplague: have any idea in what state is the GPU support on the BBB ? Nov 30 02:39:36 i read smth that with 3.12 kernel more stuff is to come *maybe i'm wrong* Nov 30 02:40:11 vvu|Log: there is some discussion with TI on how to possibly make this happen, but it is such a low priority... Nov 30 02:40:46 vvu|Log: most of the OEM customers of the am335x are not interested in the GPU features so it is very very very unimportant to most of the developers Nov 30 02:41:59 xM has gpu support as i know, right ? Nov 30 02:45:24 Okay. Final try with ubuntu 13.10 on the BBB. If this doesn't work, then I'm done with that crap ._. Nov 30 02:47:24 *fingers crossed* Nov 30 02:48:51 I'm watching the transporter, and programming PCSS while its flashing on the eMMC **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 30 02:59:59 2013