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Dec 24 06:15:16 <prudhvi_> sir i just wanted to know if beaglebone black supports RTL8211e  ethernet chip
Dec 24 08:00:07 <av500> prudhvi_: the BBB already has ethernet
Dec 24 08:00:17 <av500> there is no place to solder another phy
Dec 24 09:34:36 <funatic> hiz to all
Dec 24 09:35:44 <funatic> anyone there????
Dec 24 10:49:51 <ZiNC> Hey.
Dec 24 10:51:09 <e-DIO-t> ohai
Dec 24 10:58:46 <ZiNC> Any thoughts on Seeed as a source for BBB?
Dec 24 11:06:46 <e-DIO-t> not coming from me! I'm now starting reading docs about BB
Dec 24 11:11:00 <Rakesh> Hi
Dec 24 11:11:39 <Guest61045> Hi
Dec 24 11:12:15 <Guest61045> Beaglebone black supports WinCE?
Dec 24 11:13:08 <Guest61045> Hi
Dec 24 11:28:48 <av500> yes
Dec 24 11:28:50 <av500> but not here
Dec 24 11:29:23 <ZiNC> Looks like the stock shortages are starting to resolve?
Dec 24 12:24:15 <ZiNC> BTW, a few weeks ago I was surprised to find someone on eBay selling a 4GB uSD with preinstalled OS for BBB, all that for the humble price of $20.
Dec 24 12:24:41 <ZiNC> I thought there's no way anyone would fall for it, some people in the channel said there ARE actually people who would buy.
Dec 24 12:24:43 <ZiNC> Well, no
Dec 24 12:24:44 <ZiNC> .
Dec 24 12:24:48 <ZiNC> 0 sales so far. :)
Dec 24 12:24:49 <bitnumus> hi ZiNC :D
Dec 24 12:24:55 <ZiNC> Hey bitnumus. :)
Dec 24 12:25:07 <bitnumus> are there any debian/BBB USB hotplugging bugs you know about ?
Dec 24 12:25:27 <bitnumus> it seems this USB can power my usb hub, but only from fresh boot
Dec 24 12:25:30 <ZiNC> There's very little I know on BBB in general. :)
Dec 24 12:25:31 <bitnumus> so this is very very weird now
Dec 24 12:25:40 <ZiNC> I might know more in a few weeks.
Dec 24 12:26:12 <ZiNC> Do other things work okay hotplugged?
Dec 24 12:26:18 <ZiNC> Non-hubs
Dec 24 12:26:19 <ZiNC> .
Dec 24 12:26:53 <bitnumus> hmm sec
Dec 24 12:28:01 <bitnumus> doesnt look like it
Dec 24 12:28:04 <bitnumus> wtf
Dec 24 12:28:13 <bitnumus> can't even plug in a USB drive
Dec 24 12:29:33 <bitnumus> "The USB host driver is broken."  lol
Dec 24 12:31:12 <ZiNC> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/nuyyVDhU6bw
Dec 24 12:31:15 <ZiNC> Maybe related.
Dec 24 12:31:43 <ZiNC> Ah,
Dec 24 12:31:45 <ZiNC> same thread. :)
Dec 24 12:32:24 <ZiNC> Why do people use the horrible Google Groups?
Dec 24 12:32:39 <ZiNC> bitnumus: Do you find Google Groups to be a usable forum software/platform?
Dec 24 12:32:57 <bitnumus> never used it, and yes it looks just awful
Dec 24 12:33:36 <ZiNC> Google GUIs, all of them, have become worse in the last 1-2 years,
Dec 24 12:33:43 <ZiNC> but Groups was bad to begin with.
Dec 24 12:33:48 <bitnumus> its very frustrating though, the wifi dongle works connected to a USB hub with NO power supply, but only frmo fresh boot
Dec 24 12:33:53 <ZiNC> And it's gotten worse, too.
Dec 24 12:33:57 <bitnumus> yet it doesn't work connected directly to BBB ??
Dec 24 12:34:14 <bitnumus> i could probably handle 0 hotplugging, but it doesnt even work connected directly
Dec 24 12:34:17 <ZiNC> Are you using the latest versions of everything?
Dec 24 12:34:35 <ZiNC> That thread suggested there was an incoming fix.
Dec 24 12:35:12 <bitnumus> Debian GNU/Linux 7.3 (wheezy)   -    debian-armhf 3.8.13-bone30
Dec 24 12:40:16 <bitnumus> i think the technical term here is 'broken'
Dec 24 12:40:58 <ZiNC> I don't know.
Dec 24 12:41:41 <ZiNC> I was looking at RPi initially, but it appears there are limitations to USB there.
Dec 24 12:41:52 <ZiNC> The BBB looked like a better USB platform, which is what I'd need.
Dec 24 12:45:52 <bitnumus> ZiNC, > echo '1' | sudo tee /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1/authorized
Dec 24 12:45:58 <bitnumus> this seems to force USB on
Dec 24 12:48:58 <bitnumus> only my usb hub though, doesn't work with USB drive
Dec 24 12:50:16 <ZiNC> What does the above help with?
Dec 24 12:51:01 <bitnumus> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 7, error -110
Dec 24 12:51:10 <bitnumus> not much it seems, there is a clear bug
Dec 24 12:51:12 <bitnumus> for almost a year?
Dec 24 12:51:19 <bitnumus> :O
Dec 24 12:55:14 <bitnumus> thats some serious bug, if my USB device doesn't even get power on boot
Dec 24 12:55:34 <bitnumus> its a wifi dongle, so i have to plug in ethernet to ssh in, to fix it, to ssh in properly over wifi
Dec 24 12:55:35 <bitnumus> eek
Dec 24 14:28:01 <Petrok> hi
Dec 24 14:28:12 <Petrok> please, I need Help
Dec 24 14:28:46 <Petrok> My BBXM doesn't boot anymore
Dec 24 14:29:18 <Petrok> D13 flashes and then nothing happens
Dec 24 14:42:26 <Canoeman> I attempted to use linux update command  on beaglebone black, but it didnt complete update, because it was too big.
Dec 24 14:43:45 <Canoeman> No the bbb is locked up, how where can i find info to reinstall angstrom, or remove angstrom and install ubuntu 13.04
Dec 24 14:49:05 <Canoeman> Quit
Dec 24 15:11:44 <Petrok> bbxm dead... any suggestion?
Dec 24 15:12:15 <jackmitchell> Petrok: rma?
Dec 24 15:20:02 <yogi> hi
Dec 24 16:07:57 <nader> hi
Dec 24 16:08:11 <nader> I have a question about Programming BBB
Dec 24 16:08:51 <nader> is there anyone can tell me what I need to start programming beagleboard black?
Dec 24 16:10:24 <nader> hellooooo
Dec 24 16:11:58 <anujdeshpande> nader: a laptop/pc with a browser
Dec 24 16:12:13 <anujdeshpande> nader: have you heard of the bonescript ? also Cloud9 IDE
Dec 24 16:12:37 <nader> then, I don't need any kind of jTAG programmer?
Dec 24 16:13:14 <anujdeshpande> nader: none at all
Dec 24 16:13:31 <nader> no, I didn't know about bonescript or Cloud9 IDE
Dec 24 16:13:45 <nader> with BBB is just receieved it today
Dec 24 16:14:38 <anujdeshpande> nader: what OS do you use ?
Dec 24 16:14:59 <nader> windows 7 64bit
Dec 24 16:15:26 <anujdeshpande> you need to install some drivers, etc
Dec 24 16:15:44 <nader> ok, I download the drivers too
Dec 24 16:15:59 <anujdeshpande> you'll find instructions in the flash drive that you can see when you connect the BBB to your windows machine
Dec 24 16:16:29 <nader> the seller told me , if I want programming layer 0 (Low Level ) then I need jTAG programmer
Dec 24 16:16:33 <anujdeshpande> there'll be a html file there
Dec 24 16:16:43 <anujdeshpande> nader: not necessary at all
Dec 24 16:16:59 <nader> thanks so much
Dec 24 16:17:05 <anujdeshpande> np
Dec 24 16:17:15 <nader> very help full
Dec 24 16:17:18 <nader> tnx
Dec 24 17:43:39 <Tenkawa> so... anyone running openbsd on their bbb?
Dec 24 18:03:37 <dap_> Tenkawa: would be sweet if they had a second NIC built in w/ obsd! (sure usb etc)
Dec 24 18:27:11 <Tenkawa> dap: indeed
Dec 24 19:19:11 <Tenkawa> anyone know how usb support for openbsd (especially for wifi adapters) is coming along?
Dec 24 19:57:51 <_av500_> no idea
Dec 24 19:58:04 <_av500_> there's always Linux if you need HW support
Dec 24 19:58:58 <ds2> prehaps the openLSD is too weak... better use the closed LSD
Dec 24 20:05:51 <Tenkawa> _av500_: i've got plenty of linux boxes already... not a question of need..
Dec 24 20:18:35 <Sqoan> Wow, there's so many people in here!
Dec 24 20:21:20 <Sqoan> Has anyone made an IRC server of their BBB? And if so, how did you approach the job?
Dec 24 20:33:58 <tbr> ZiNC: I'd expect latest or newer revision to come off production lines...
Dec 24 20:34:10 <tbr> meh, scrollback fail...
Dec 24 20:35:20 <ZiNC> A6 is rather new by itself,
Dec 24 20:35:36 <ZiNC> so maybe there's stock heading out, or that's already sent.
Dec 24 20:50:43 <slavix> Hello, I just got my first beaglebone black. Booted up fine, but does not see my microsd card. I tried dmesg to see what happens when I insert the card, nothing..
Dec 24 21:20:08 <mrpackethead> its broken
Dec 24 21:40:52 <jeet> i think i like electronics and programming. how connected are the subjects in potential jobs?
Dec 24 22:17:30 <CareBear\> jeet : if you acquire real hardcore skill you will never need to worry about having a job
Dec 24 22:17:42 <CareBear\> jeet : if you just "like" things you get nowhere
Dec 24 22:18:21 <CareBear\> jeet : lots of contexts fiercely separate software from hardware, and are fucking stupid
Dec 24 22:18:53 <CareBear\> jeet : avoid those, and spend time in contexts where software and hardware are kept close to each other
Dec 25 00:09:41 <jeet> CareBear\ thanks, can you elaborate on said contexts?
Dec 25 00:10:16 <myself> jeet: Most folks who use the word "app" tend to think of hardware as a foreign land of dragons and danger, for instance.
Dec 25 00:10:27 <jeet> :)
Dec 25 00:10:28 <myself> also, welcome back :)
Dec 25 00:10:40 <jeet> thanks, sorry was preparing dinner
Dec 25 00:11:40 <jeet> how about this 'hardcore skill'
Dec 25 00:12:08 <myself> Embedded computing is really the intersection of software and hardware, and it's where most of us enjoy spending our time. It's also (in my humble opinion) a longer-term phenomenon than the "app" mindset, and one which has fewer market bubbles. Good embedded engineers will *always* have work.
Dec 25 00:13:41 <myself> Hardcore skill means being so good at both the hardware and the software that you can quickly assess whether a particular function should be implemented as hardware or as software, which would be cheaper, which would be safer, which would be more robust. Coming to a sane system architecture quickly lets you spend more time on good design and less on rewrites later.
Dec 25 00:13:45 <jeet> ah, ok good
Dec 25 00:14:25 <jeet> thank you
Dec 25 00:14:36 <myself> Also, if you take on a project bigger than a single engineer can handle [in the timeframe], knowing enough about both to be able to subcontract parts and not get burned in the process.
Dec 25 00:15:14 <myself> As a stepwise path from where you are now, I'd say pick a few projects you admire, and reimplement them, so that you understand each piece. Then play with altering or replacing the pieces.
Dec 25 00:16:08 <jeet> an example for relative magnitude?
Dec 25 00:16:21 <myself> this is generally how I suggest anyone get started, as there's relatively-instant gratification from copying someone else's design and seeing it work fairly quickly, then tinkering with the pieces builds skills and confidence. At some point, you'll just naturally start designing your own stuff from the ground up.
Dec 25 00:17:02 <myself> Well, what're you interested in? Robotics is a field with myriad disciplines, so you could take someone's simple robot and then enhance it according to your own proclivities.
Dec 25 00:17:22 <myself> Also the word 'robotics' looks good on a resume ;)
Dec 25 00:17:40 <jeet> excellent, thank you
Dec 25 00:19:19 <myself> That's just one guy's perspective, get more. But I think you can't go wrong by simply getting your hands dirty, building things, and then understanding why and how they work.
Dec 25 00:20:58 <jeet> i like programming and feel i'm good at it, but i don't want to be able to forget about currents, voltages, capacitances, etc.
Dec 25 00:22:27 <jeet> that being said i guess i should definitely stay away from the "app" crown
Dec 25 00:22:29 <jeet> crowd*
Dec 25 00:22:54 <myself> Nah, apps are cool, just don't stick your head so far up that idea that you can't see the wires anymore.
Dec 25 00:23:20 <jeet> k
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