**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 14 03:00:00 2014 Jan 14 03:30:52 any one want to try a test for me? Jan 14 03:31:02 i'm trying to figure out if the setup i have is broken Jan 14 03:31:10 wget https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/spi/spidev_test.c Jan 14 03:31:29 compile that and then try and set the -l flag (sets spi to use LSB_FIRST) Jan 14 03:31:40 ./spidev_test -D /dev/spidev1.0 -s 4000000 -b 8 -l Jan 14 03:31:58 i get an errno when I run that Jan 14 03:32:23 of course you have to set enable the capemgr thing Jan 14 03:35:44 or maybe someone knows of there is an issue using LSB_FIRST with spidev Jan 14 05:28:56 well it seems like spi with lsbfirst is a fail .. i updated to the latest angstron image and it works fine with msb but fails with lsb Jan 14 05:29:15 http://dpaste.com/1550298/ Jan 14 08:01:14 Hi all, can anyone help me with a gstreamer problem on BeagleXm revC? Jan 14 08:07:11 I GOT MY BEAGLEBONEBLACK TODAY! Jan 14 08:07:17 AAAWWWWWWWW YYYYIIIISSSSSSS! Jan 14 08:13:20 hi Jan 14 08:14:13 anyone has experience with 4 port USB HUB (Belkin) on BBB? Jan 14 08:21:23 gstreamer help? anyone...? Jan 14 08:29:02 I use the D-link D-HUB7 spoonox Jan 14 08:29:31 HI ALL, anyone with experience of powered 4port USB Hub (Belkin) on BBB? Following problem: If i power the hub with 5V power supply, the the BBB (running Ubuntu Saucy) dont detect the HUB, the unpowered HUB will be detected without problems Jan 14 08:29:52 pwillard: is ur HUB separatly powered? Jan 14 08:32:23 yes, separately powered, that's why I chose it Jan 14 08:34:22 thx, the D-link D-HUB7 is recommend by the ewiki tuto Jan 14 08:38:26 spoonox: could be that the hub doesnt follow the usb specs exactly Jan 14 08:39:40 its very suspect: dmesg show that hub (even if its powered), but lsusb dont show it Jan 14 08:39:51 It is also a recommended hub for Raspberry Pi. Jan 14 08:40:15 anyway, it runs unpowered on BBB with wifi stick connected Jan 14 10:33:05 [kernel] eliasbakken opened pull request #84: Added the PRUSS changes from 3.9 (3.12...3.12) http://git.io/iD6H3Q Jan 14 10:48:07 well, if anyone here is attending FOSDEM at Feb 1 in Brussels, please shout-out Jan 14 10:57:33 <_av500_> why shout? Jan 14 10:58:14 so he can hear you in brussels ? Jan 14 10:59:08 <_av500_> makes sense Jan 14 11:05:04 cityLights: I am Jan 14 11:06:49 hi Wizzup Jan 14 11:07:08 are you bringing some interesting project with you to the meeting? Jan 14 11:09:22 cityLights: Probably this year I will mostly just consume talks :) Jan 14 11:10:54 I may have a PCB ready, may bring it with me Jan 14 11:11:00 not sure yet Jan 14 11:12:43 after issuing opkg upgrade, the os of beaglebone black looks completly different, ie. there is no auto-logon etc. how can i fix this? Jan 14 11:18:28 Hello Jan 14 11:19:47 ? Jan 14 11:20:14 !help Jan 14 11:20:45 bye Jan 14 11:20:48 exit Jan 14 11:21:46 nice patience Jan 14 11:27:23 anyone have an up to date tutorial on how to flash ubuntu to the eMMC? the download links here are broken: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Ubuntu_On_BeagleBone_Black Jan 14 11:28:30 http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ Jan 14 11:29:02 also http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu Jan 14 11:29:28 yesterday i tried using the armhf one for saucy 13.10 and it was missing the kernel Jan 14 11:29:51 the raw image, not the flasher one Jan 14 11:30:17 by-the-way is anyone using a wireless 8188 based usb stick? Jan 14 11:30:35 i used this one yesterday successfully: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black Jan 14 11:30:44 I still need to build a module for it. I fount it odd , its not in the kernel Jan 14 12:24:17 howdy Jan 14 12:26:57 does anyone have experience getting Matrix GUI working on the beaglebone black? Jan 14 12:29:18 johnwalkr: thank you, these instructions worked. do you know if this ubuntu image does include a gui? because i cant see anything on the screen and i cant find a xorg.log file via ssh Jan 14 12:29:36 i think it doesn’t Jan 14 12:30:10 sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop Jan 14 12:30:19 should be what you need to install it Jan 14 12:30:47 thanks, thats what i was looking for Jan 14 12:31:01 thats likely not what you want ... unity requires full 3D support Jan 14 12:31:23 * ogra_ would recommend lubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop instead Jan 14 12:32:46 whats the difference between those two? Jan 14 12:33:02 thanks ogra_ , i don’t know much aside from just installing Jan 14 12:33:37 i've canceled the installation, it outputted like 10 screens of packages it wanted to install :D Jan 14 12:33:39 ssl_, different desktop environments ... lubuntu uses lxde, xubuntu uses xfce ... google should have screenshots Jan 14 12:33:49 ok thanks Jan 14 12:36:01 still wants to install 1204 new packages with lubuntu-desktop Jan 14 12:36:32 doesn't look so "leightweight" Jan 14 12:39:14 well, you need graphics support ... (X) ... Jan 14 12:39:26 that will make up a lot of these 1200 packages Jan 14 12:39:37 and will be the same for all the -desktop packages Jan 14 12:41:20 let's see if the eMMC space will be enough Jan 14 12:41:43 it should tell you how much MB it downloads Jan 14 12:42:02 at the bottom ... where you have to confirm Y/N Jan 14 12:43:35 it was like 500mb download, 1200mb after installing Jan 14 13:48:33 cityLights : I'll probably also go to fosdem Jan 14 13:48:56 so, I was hoping to meet more developpers Jan 14 13:49:28 I just don't know where to look for beaglebone people Jan 14 13:49:37 cityLights : there will be several thousand developers at fosdem Jan 14 13:49:58 yes, I am seeking to meet beaglebone users Jan 14 13:50:08 why? Jan 14 13:50:08 hopefully get inspired Jan 14 13:50:22 about what? Jan 14 13:50:30 I am using my to automate water heating Jan 14 13:50:57 I am looking forward to interface with my Ait condition using infra red Jan 14 13:51:05 but it seems difficuilt Jan 14 13:51:18 here's a project of mine: http://stuge.se/dsc_4319.jpg http://stuge.se/dsc_4325.jpg Jan 14 13:51:31 s/difficuilt/difficult/ Jan 14 13:51:53 that problem has nothing to do with beagle Jan 14 13:52:26 well, I am using a usb wireless device Jan 14 13:52:44 how does that relate to the ir? Jan 14 13:53:13 the power connector is near the usb connector, and I suspect it may be causing the wireless to disconnect Jan 14 13:53:32 if things don't fit for you then use the pins on P9 Jan 14 13:54:07 well, in case the beagle bone is connected to the INTERNET, it can sense I am coming home, and start working before I arrive Jan 14 13:54:23 you're not making any sense :\ Jan 14 13:54:41 I am also looking to hook-up a piezo electric buzzer to the pwm pin Jan 14 13:54:56 cityLights: look for boners at the OE stand at FOSDEM Jan 14 13:54:58 so, I got lots of topics to discuss other BBB users Jan 14 13:55:24 here is a good place Jan 14 13:55:37 CareBear\: let me try to explain my second idea Jan 14 13:55:47 explain the problem instead Jan 14 13:56:09 ok, I want my house to be cold when I get home from work Jan 14 13:56:16 at summer Jan 14 13:56:36 looks like you want a NEST :X Jan 14 13:56:39 i doubt the power /connector/ is causing disconnects Jan 14 13:56:47 to solve it, I have air conditioing at home, but I have to turn it on when I arrive and wait Jan 14 13:57:17 but if you don’t have enough power, it will disconnect Jan 14 13:57:18 I have a IR remote controler Jan 14 13:57:57 the wireless device is wifi? or a usb IR device? Jan 14 13:58:07 I want the beaglebone to interface to IR and control the AC Jan 14 13:58:17 yeah, pretty simple project Jan 14 13:58:25 CareBear\: why the gaps between the displayrows? Jan 14 13:58:35 i did something similar with an arduino Jan 14 13:58:40 not so easy, johnwalkr Jan 14 13:58:43 or is that an unmodified display used for flight status Jan 14 13:58:44 why? Jan 14 13:58:57 Vaizki_ : that's how the display was built. it was bought used. each row is mounted in a U-profile, which are then stacked Jan 14 13:59:21 cityLights: anyway one thing at a time. the “wireless” that disconnects is a usb wifi adapter? Jan 14 13:59:32 Vaizki_ : we've replaced control electronics and now get ~35 fps video playback Jan 14 13:59:32 johnwalkr: well I was not sucssesfull sensing the IR that I transmitted from my remote to a IR reciver Jan 14 13:59:45 cityLights : again, this has nothing to do with the beagle Jan 14 13:59:55 CareBear\: ah ok.. can I ask how much did it cost? :) Jan 14 13:59:55 cityLights : I personally wouldn't bother with IR at all Jan 14 14:00:01 johnwalkr: in my first project I use a wifi usb device Jan 14 14:00:07 can you please answer the questions? you are totally confusing Jan 14 14:00:07 Vaizki_ : 1-2k EUR IIRC Jan 14 14:00:22 the thing that disconnects Jan 14 14:00:25 what is it? Jan 14 14:00:44 when I mount the power supply near the beaglebone board, I get some wifi disconnecting Jan 14 14:01:41 johnwalker: my context is now only the wifi disconnecting Jan 14 14:01:59 ok so you have a power supply of some kind, connected to the barrel connector Jan 14 14:02:02 and a usb wifi device Jan 14 14:02:07 and sometimes the wifi disconnects? Jan 14 14:02:15 this may be due to a power line I hooked near the USB wifi Jan 14 14:02:23 cityLights : make electrical connections to gpios either in the aircon or in a second remote. ir is not a very reliable communications channel. Jan 14 14:02:54 what if you power the beaglbone via usb, and use the wifi adapter? Jan 14 14:02:56 so I wouldn't go for the second remote Jan 14 14:03:05 CareBear\: johnwalker, wants me to talk only in regard to the wifi problem now. Jan 14 14:03:19 does it wokr then? Jan 14 14:03:59 johnwalker: if I use a 2A supply connected to the micro USB - all works fine Jan 14 14:04:03 cityLights : as long as you say what is for whom and stay on point in each conversation I don't think johnwalkr will have a problem with two going on at the same time Jan 14 14:04:20 ok, i relaly doubt it’s a location thing Jan 14 14:04:20 I see Jan 14 14:04:23 cityLights : but you need to use a clear protocol so that there's no confusion Jan 14 14:04:34 i really think the problem is an underpowered power supply Jan 14 14:04:36 right Jan 14 14:05:37 johnwalker: so you think I am not suppling enough power to the circuit.. Jan 14 14:05:40 possible Jan 14 14:05:48 super common problem Jan 14 14:05:55 right Jan 14 14:06:01 I will look in to it Jan 14 14:06:38 do you guys use gEDA for schematic and PCB? Jan 14 14:06:42 I do Jan 14 14:06:59 ok now the second thing, i get what you are going for because your AC probably has a remote. and presumably if you cna duplicate what the remote does, you ca ncontrol the thing with your beaglebone right? carebear pointed out a direct connection is more reliable... Jan 14 14:07:05 great, in the past I used OrCad, and need to learn to use geda now. Jan 14 14:07:47 CareBear\: right , but I don't have this option Jan 14 14:08:06 and I do think its possible to achive it using IR Jan 14 14:08:22 but first I need to finish my first project Jan 14 14:08:31 and create a PCB Jan 14 14:08:40 if you are unwilling or unable to use the best possible solution then you really can't be helped Jan 14 14:08:48 I did exactly the same thing with arduino. in one version, i soldered leads to the remote control. worked but then my remote control was attached to arduino. in the second version, i used this library: http://www.righto.com/2009/08/multi-protocol-infrared-remote-library.html Jan 14 14:08:53 hay hay Jan 14 14:09:13 hello Jan 14 14:09:14 (at least not by me) Jan 14 14:09:30 i just needed an LED driver, IR led and IR receiveer diode. Jan 14 14:09:41 was simple to record my AC remote, then use arduino to play it back Jan 14 14:09:48 CareBear\: I am just trying out means , in order to improove my skills Jan 14 14:10:03 and there is a cape + software based on the same library for the BBB Jan 14 14:10:29 https://github.com/AnthonyMyatt/IRremote Jan 14 14:10:38 ok, I will look in to that cape, Jan 14 14:10:39 so that is why i said it sounds simple Jan 14 14:10:53 first I need to draw a foot print for a relay Jan 14 14:10:59 and I am new to pcb Jan 14 14:11:48 the irremote stuff has lots of built in functions Jan 14 14:11:54 johnwalker: thanks I will look in to it Jan 14 14:11:57 so you may not need to read and decode your AC remote Jan 14 14:12:33 CareBear\: can we still meet at FOSDEM? Jan 14 14:14:18 hi guys Jan 14 14:14:19 cityLights : http://brorson.com/gEDA/land_patterns_20070818.pdf Jan 14 14:14:55 would anyone be willing to help me flash ubuntu 12.04 onto the emmc/clear up a few question i've been having Jan 14 14:15:42 namely, how can I flash without losing what I have on the mu sd Jan 14 14:16:31 cityLights : I'm happy to chat if we run into each other, but usually fosdem is quite busy Jan 14 14:44:27 Hi all Jan 14 14:48:04 <_av500_> CareBear\: we need a beagle table at beer night Jan 14 14:49:02 _av500_: right I will bring my , so ppl know I am a fan of the BBB Jan 14 14:50:49 I ant to contribute to Beagle Jan 14 14:51:00 Where do I start? Jan 14 14:53:17 documentation always needs work Jan 14 14:53:36 or just lurk here for a few days and help noobs, you'll get a quick sense of what's lacking :) Jan 14 14:55:41 I'm also a noob Jan 14 14:56:15 <_av500_> then learn Jan 14 14:57:31 Shiva_V: you could take a look at the userspace arduino project too Jan 14 14:59:29 On it Jan 14 15:10:11 [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 2 new commits to 3.12: http://git.io/Ka30_w Jan 14 15:10:11 kernel/3.12 2c2a6c5 Elias: Added the PRUSS changes from 3.9 Jan 14 15:10:11 kernel/3.12 996e2a4 Robert Nelson: Merge pull request #84 from eliasbakken/3.12... Jan 14 15:10:38 [kernel] RobertCNelson closed pull request #83: Fix aspect ratio issue of 720p in MT9M114 camera cape (3.8...3.8) http://git.io/WjcV2g Jan 14 15:33:33 Commit: 09b8e531a93b077c735676d991ed4748c3a6cd2c (ASoc: McASP: Lift Reset on CLK Dividers when RX/TX) in 3.12 is not relevant to the beaglebone. Jan 14 15:34:03 Only causes kernel error prints Jan 14 15:35:33 remove the patch from git Jan 14 15:35:43 corrosion: how is it not relevant? Jan 14 15:35:59 it is manipulating read-only bits Jan 14 15:36:27 because of not being able to set some bits it prints error.. Jan 14 15:37:48 corrosion: i'll have a look at it, but it should be relevant to use of an external audio codec on the beaglebone Jan 14 15:37:53 corrosion: possible bitrot there Jan 14 15:40:15 the issue is in mcasp_start_tx() Jan 14 15:40:42 corrosion: thanks i'll have a look Jan 14 15:40:59 corrosion: for future reference you can log kernel bug reports on the bugs.elinux.org Jan 14 15:41:45 sure. there is anothed bug in the SPI driver to report :D Jan 14 15:43:20 there are bugs all over... one note, does it work in v3.13.x branch? Jan 14 15:55:46 Took me 2.5 hours to get to work Jan 14 15:56:46 [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.12: http://git.io/lIXLug Jan 14 15:56:46 kernel/3.12 4fabfe8 Robert Nelson: 3.12: update to v3.12.7... Jan 14 15:57:12 rcn-ee: I don't see the patch applied in v3.13 Jan 14 15:57:53 the audio ones? well if you want to get dizzy from the screen, i'll enable them. .;) i was more woried about spi... Jan 14 15:59:33 yes I see the SPI bug there.. Jan 14 16:03:30 spi bug? Jan 14 16:03:56 what is special about the "flash to emmc" images? Can I flash any image to emmc? Jan 14 16:04:54 tripzero, it does it for you... Jan 14 16:05:24 tripzero: you can't flash any image to emmc Jan 14 16:05:40 what is the special sauce? Jan 14 16:05:49 an init script Jan 14 16:06:24 also it has peppers and oregano along with the usual tomato and salt Jan 14 16:06:31 mmm Jan 14 16:07:20 ahk. so i should be able to take one of rcn-ee's mount it locally, copy the init script and copy it to my image? Jan 14 16:07:22 Cape question: Does the pin usage in the EEPROM have to match the DTS file? It seems like the capemgr will just look at the name/version field of the EEPROM and load the dts file. Jan 14 16:07:43 rcn-ee Jan 14 16:07:46 images* Jan 14 16:07:51 sheesh. can't type this morning Jan 14 16:07:52 jbdatko: as it is right now, only the name/version is used Jan 14 16:07:57 jbdatko : if you have an eeprom why would you *not* make the contents match the hardware? Jan 14 16:08:08 jbdatko: the long term intention was to store the dts on the eeprom Jan 14 16:08:33 carbear\: makes sense, but it didn't appear to be used, which is what prpplague seems to confirm Jan 14 16:09:06 prpplauge: that'd be cool. Then I wouldn't have to distrbute a DTS file Jan 14 16:10:28 tripzero, this is the script in the debian image that does the "flashing" https://github.com/beagleboard/image-builder/blob/master/scripts_device/tools/beaglebone-black-eMMC-flasher.sh Jan 14 16:10:57 Also, my DTS file didn't load automatically on boot, but it manually loaded fine. I'm running 3.8.3-bone26 debian. Jan 14 16:10:59 Hey guys, I have noob question, is BeagleBone ok to start learning embedded Linux? Jan 14 16:11:11 sorry 3.8.13-bone26 Jan 14 16:11:30 Sundiver : do you know non-embedded Linux? Jan 14 16:14:31 CareBear\: currently I am Linux admin Jan 14 16:14:38 Sundiver : that means nothing Jan 14 16:14:43 mdp: yes spi bug Jan 14 16:14:48 rcn-ee, that's a cool script. Looks like I should be able to copy this script onto any sd I want to flash and run it. Jan 14 16:14:50 This is why I am asking Jan 14 16:15:13 Sundiver : "Linux admin" has no information about your non-embedded Linux knowledge Jan 14 16:15:46 Where is good starting point? Jan 14 16:15:58 Sundiver : Linux From Scratch Jan 14 16:16:04 Sundiver: what OS is your primary desktop machine running? Jan 14 16:16:27 That's not very complicated but very time consuming. Is there any shortcut? Jan 14 16:16:50 Sundiver : sure. pay someone else to know, so that you don't need to learn. Jan 14 16:16:51 Slackware, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu Jan 14 16:17:06 Sundiver: at the same time? :) Jan 14 16:17:08 tripzero, as long as you installed a debian/ubuntu release from rcn-ee.net it'll just work.. (it won't work for the armhf.com images) Jan 14 16:17:14 On different machines Jan 14 16:17:27 kk Jan 14 16:17:37 Sundiver: ok, then the BBB might not be a bad place to start. Jan 14 16:17:49 I have 2 machines on my desk right here: Windows, CentOS 6 Jan 14 16:18:09 At home, Debian on netbook, Slackware on desktop Jan 14 16:20:39 I freshly graduated in electronics engineering but school's level was not very high, so I need to learn alot by myself Jan 14 16:21:09 So I am trying to start with embedded Linux and thinking about BBB Jan 14 16:21:37 well if you run debian on your netbook.. debian on the bbb is a cake walk.. ;) Jan 14 16:22:01 for arbitrarily large values of cake :) Jan 14 16:22:29 Debian is easy to learn iMO Jan 14 16:23:03 I would agree, but I've been using it for the past 18 years, so my perception may be skewed :) Jan 14 16:23:58 I started with Slackware about 12 years ago Jan 14 16:28:04 got ubuntu and lxde desktop up and running on my beaglebone black, but unfortunatly, i dont have a usb keyboard to login. does lxde ship with an vnc server installed? how to install one? Jan 14 16:29:25 try ssh access first Jan 14 16:29:45 if you have one you can install anything you want Jan 14 16:30:42 i have ssh access, but i need instructions on how to get a vnc server configured and running Jan 14 16:31:45 google works: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers Jan 14 16:34:53 true, but im askting here, because people have experience with these things. the linked page has multiple software and i dont want to mess around with them until i find one that actually works Jan 14 16:34:56 ssl_, try this one http://seb.so/vnc-from-boot-without-logging-in-ubuntu-lubuntu-xubuntu-and-mint-lmde/ Jan 14 16:48:05 and, that old problem is back: can't open display Jan 14 16:55:20 wild guess, root vs regular user Jan 14 17:03:41 or DISPLAY varis not set Jan 14 17:13:47 did try both Jan 14 17:13:59 and specified display var Jan 14 17:15:03 it's because im grabbing lcd_data lines so ubuntu thinks i have no display attatched. i use video=... kernel arg to force it to output a picture Jan 14 17:15:29 well, is the display manager running and is Xorg up ? Jan 14 17:16:13 (you should see lightdm in the processlist as well as /usr/bin/X) Jan 14 17:17:43 X is up i guess (/usr/bin/X11/X) Jan 14 17:17:51 nothing that looks like lightdm Jan 14 17:19:13 check the logs and find out why it does not come up Jan 14 17:22:09 Xorg.0.log looks good, but only mentions the output device (HDMI-0), not the display (:0) Jan 14 17:22:32 corrosion, link to description of bug? Jan 14 17:22:54 ssl_, i meant the login manager logs :) Jan 14 17:23:01 Xorg obviously runs Jan 14 17:23:10 what are they? Jan 14 17:23:26 for lightdm usually under /var/log/lightdm Jan 14 17:24:15 there is no lightdm Jan 14 17:24:33 hmm, for whatever crazy reason lubuntu-desktop doesnt depend on it Jan 14 17:24:37 install it then Jan 14 17:24:43 perhaps slim? Jan 14 17:25:08 no, it doesnt install any display manager by default it seems Jan 14 17:25:23 i used that script Jan 14 17:25:39 install lightdm, use step 1 and 2a from the above howto and it shoudl work Jan 14 17:25:52 /boot/uboot/tools/ubuntu/small-lxde-desktop.sh Jan 14 17:26:03 no idea what that is Jan 14 17:26:16 i thought you installed lubuntu-desktop wehn we talked last Jan 14 17:26:37 if you didnt, someone else needs to help ... i only know the official ubuntu ways Jan 14 17:26:49 i foud another instruction which mentioned this script Jan 14 17:27:25 (there are millions of other ways to set up stuff ... find someone who knows about that script then) Jan 14 17:28:44 the script basicly installs xserver-xorg-video-modesetting, lxde-core, slim, x11-xserver-utils and some config file magic Jan 14 17:29:06 problem with lubuntu-desktop was that it is too big Jan 14 17:29:30 because it contains too much user programs like gimp and so on, which i dont need at all Jan 14 17:30:11 ill remove slim (i think thats the login screen) and install lightdm Jan 14 17:37:59 mdp: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/issues/85 Jan 14 17:38:35 yes Jan 14 17:38:51 also one TI has had customer complaints about in the past Jan 14 17:44:27 you mean some customer wanted that piece of code in? Jan 14 18:15:44 Has anyone used the BB100 expansion case? Jan 14 18:17:44 corrosion, some customers have, in the past, requested that the driver be compliant with the behavior documented in linux/spi/spi.h in the struct spi_transfer comments Jan 14 18:55:11 mdp: from comments "But in other cases, this can be used to ensure correctness. Some devices need protocol transactions to be built from a series of spi_message submissions..." Jan 14 18:55:46 yes Jan 14 18:56:08 how am I going to construct next message when cs_change terminates the transaction Jan 14 18:56:26 there's a lot of drivers out there that don't satisfy both cases there Jan 14 18:57:16 no, case ii) details a different behavior for cs_change Jan 14 18:58:41 last && cs_change == behavior the CS stays selected Jan 14 18:58:45 in case ii) Jan 14 18:59:07 there's some threads on this that discuss it further..years ago Jan 14 19:00:44 what you quoted is one of two justifications for case ii) of that api behavior Jan 14 19:00:56 the other is for performance reasons, of course Jan 14 19:02:54 hi Jan 14 19:04:50 well that's the problem even when it's last && cs_change - CS still toggles Jan 14 19:05:26 right, it's non-compliant to case ii Jan 14 19:06:10 so it is either case i or ii Jan 14 19:06:12 not both Jan 14 19:06:29 correct Jan 14 19:06:46 this documentation is really confusing, I'll have to agree Jan 14 19:07:07 case i describes how cs_change behaves on a transfer request which is *not* the last in a message Jan 14 19:07:23 case ii describes cs_change on a transfer request which *is* the last in a message Jan 14 19:07:49 they could have used separate flag..but somebody chose an obfuscated api ;) Jan 14 19:07:55 and case i is for better performance? Jan 14 19:09:07 case ii is for better performance (in some instances) and others it's necessary if you want to talk to a device with a protocol that is spread out over multiple messages..all of which must happen with the chip select asserted Jan 14 19:10:56 So to use it in case to I have to fix it myself :) Jan 14 19:11:04 case ii * Jan 14 19:22:17 in Jan 14 19:39:35 anyone used the wifi cape here? Jan 14 19:40:33 dogrocket: there is very little support for any of the wifi capes with beaglebone black and the newer kernels Jan 14 19:40:53 dogrocket: in addition, they require the eMMC to be disabled Jan 14 19:41:08 dogrocket: the wl8 cape is the only one that will not damage a beaglebone black Jan 14 19:50:26 yikes Jan 14 19:51:14 almost sounds like going to a usb wifi dongle may be better, but not sure if any allow hostap Jan 14 19:53:08 was waiting with anticipation on the new wifi direct cape... sounds like TI having problems getting it to work on BBB, and this other stuff you mention just makes it worse Jan 14 19:55:04 oh that is the w18... has circuitco / ti got it fixed yet? Jan 14 19:55:55 corrosion, yeah, never made it to the TI TODOTODAY list ;) Jan 14 19:56:36 drivers are overrated Jan 14 20:05:07 and not the devices? Jan 15 00:09:40 Does anyone know where to get a Beaglebone Black? I can't find them in stock anywhere. Jan 15 00:11:09 dude667: there are number of distributors that just took receipt of stock, they will be showing into inventory shortly Jan 15 00:12:30 digikey has a lot in stock Jan 15 00:13:57 wow... scratch that... they empty Jan 15 00:16:31 gotta love arch linux for beagle, I told them usb cdrom access was broke, they came out with patch next day... :-) Jan 15 00:16:59 wow that's awesome Jan 15 00:17:08 circuitco should take hard look at arm arch those guys get my vote... Jan 15 00:17:10 yeah I checked digikey, looks like everyone is backordered to hell Jan 15 00:17:25 dogrocket: so what did they do? apart from probably just enabling some module? Jan 15 00:18:20 dont know.. like you said rebaked kernel and came out with several other fixes... that was 4 days ago, and they came out with more updates today Jan 15 00:19:02 dogrocket, arch is actually using the kernel patches i'm baking for debian.. ;) Jan 15 00:19:27 hey robert... yeah thats what i heard.. Jan 15 00:19:55 lots of updates to 3.12/3.13, so arch has been tagging pretty close.. Jan 15 00:20:16 i tried your latest kernel and investigated and removed all kernels i could and still couldnt get as small a kernel as arch guys did.. i spent days on that stuff. lol Jan 15 00:20:30 ooops modules - kernels Jan 15 00:21:20 i gave up on a small kernel... everyone wants a different config enabled.. so we just enable them all. so most are happy. ;) Jan 15 00:21:47 rcn-ee .. know anything about bluetooth on the imx6? Jan 15 00:22:08 besides .. doesn't seem to work :/ Jan 15 00:22:08 yeah.. im trying to get it running just for audio purposes. for possible prototype demo Jan 15 00:22:29 haven't really touched my imx's lately... been busy getting the debian beaglebone image done.. (and playing around with v3.13/sgx..) Jan 15 00:22:43 how does the new graphics stuff look? Jan 15 00:22:52 hows sgx looking.. we gonna have a release?! Jan 15 00:22:58 beagle's can wait ... circuitco haven't made any yet ... :p Jan 15 00:23:18 more+ Jan 15 00:23:25 circuitco should hire rcn.. in my opinion hint Jan 15 00:23:32 hehe Jan 15 00:23:40 well right now, it installes properly... loads the modules, and doesn't crash...but doesn't show anything to xorg.. Jan 15 00:23:42 circuitco only a fab. company .. thats the issue Jan 15 00:23:54 ouch Jan 15 00:24:07 circuitco actively works with rcn-ee , right, hehe Jan 15 00:24:17 veremit: we are making 5000 blacks per week Jan 15 00:24:29 wow Jan 15 00:24:30 veremit: 3 shifts 24 hours a day, 7 days a week Jan 15 00:24:30 I think rcn-ee... buys from circuitco Jan 15 00:24:34 veremit: lots of demand Jan 15 00:24:48 prpplague .. is that all ?! ;) Jan 15 00:24:49 lol Jan 15 00:25:15 veremit: we do make other products, so only half of production line is being dedicated for black Jan 15 00:25:33 yeah thats what I feared Jan 15 00:25:49 no wonder nobody has any stock Jan 15 00:25:51 you heard what happened with the RPi I assume .. Jan 15 00:25:54 nice problem to have though Jan 15 00:25:55 did the 18xx wifi cape get approved for bbb yet? Jan 15 00:26:11 veremit: you will have to be more specific Jan 15 00:26:25 demand/production issue .. I think its made in the UK now Jan 15 00:26:27 * prpplague know a lot about "what happened with RPi" hehe Jan 15 00:26:45 since demand Exploded Jan 15 00:26:46 veremit: yes indeed, i am well aware of their production resources, hehe Jan 15 00:26:48 "damnit, sales are outstripping demand! whatever shall we do?!" :P Jan 15 00:26:57 lee: whistle and hope ;) Jan 15 00:26:58 better open another mill Jan 15 00:27:10 infinitely nicer problem than sitting on a pile of stuff you can't sell Jan 15 00:27:22 s/demand/supply/ Jan 15 00:27:53 ok well good to know I guess Jan 15 00:28:01 I got a customer wants 200/month Jan 15 00:28:05 he'll have to whistle too Jan 15 00:28:27 veremit: i hope it isn't to be used in an OEM product.... Jan 15 00:28:30 or pick an alternative .... Jan 15 00:28:42 nooo Jan 15 00:29:08 I just want one, have ordered and paid for it via RS export, got an order in with farnell UK too, plan WAS to cancel whichever one didn't dispatch, but now I've thought of something else I can do with them... Jan 15 00:29:18 its to evaluate .. since there will be a new design done Jan 15 00:29:21 couldnt believe when TI cut jobs and killed omap stuff... crazyness.. Jan 15 00:29:41 veremit: 200/month for evaluation? Jan 15 00:29:58 initial evaluation build is 200 .. but there is gonna be a custom design done Jan 15 00:30:12 based around the am3359 Jan 15 00:30:53 the pi on am35xx? Jan 15 00:32:07 seems theres a lot of application similarities.. makes sense Jan 15 00:32:43 the broadcom chips is ... abit too proprietary Jan 15 00:32:54 the am335x are pretty good Jan 15 00:32:57 as is the imx6 Jan 15 00:33:54 broadcom is to close to chest about thier chips... not good for open development Jan 15 00:36:06 came out with idea a few years ago and asked broadcom if they would sell us some chips in bulk.. they said only if we buy 3 million dollars worth, the middleman i dealt with said he never seen such an initial amount requirement... they were protecting other clients from competition it seems Jan 15 00:37:33 they had to see the idea with no secrecy rules or anything... so had to show them business plan etc.. rats Jan 15 00:39:29 well.. you can see how the Pi project got wrapped up .. Jan 15 00:40:01 the fact is though .. they did everyone a favour .. now we got a few ARM systems at a low-cost end Jan 15 00:47:02 yep.. and as google says its allowing want to be innovators to spring up all over.. Jan 15 00:53:12 innovatino is always good Jan 15 02:24:26 Does anyone know of a distributor who has these in stock? Newark screwed me...they suck. Jan 15 02:25:32 aag: what country? there is a bit of a shortage currently .. but stock is being manufactured :) Jan 15 02:25:59 USA Jan 15 02:26:25 LT is 2wks - 2mo depending on where I look Jan 15 02:28:59 last I looked .. wasn't many places had 'em .. US or here in UK Jan 15 02:30:04 mouser say 2800 1/20 Jan 15 02:30:13 I guess thats next week **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 15 02:59:59 2014