**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 12 02:59:58 2014 Mar 12 03:21:44 hi Mar 12 03:23:22 what is rthe language supported by beagle board ? Mar 12 03:24:12 what is the language supported by beagle board ? Mar 12 04:11:45 par: what do you mean by "supported"? you can program in any language you like. Mar 12 04:39:15 Any good projects? Mar 12 05:31:16 <_av500_> 54 Mar 12 06:54:49 has anyone installed opensuse on a BeagleBone Black? The suse wiki just shows support only discusses the BeagleBoard-xM so I'm not sure if the provided image also works for the Black Mar 12 06:58:27 PurpleDog: you'll probably have to "bring your own kernel" other than that I'd expect things to be fairly portable Mar 12 06:58:41 thanks tbr Mar 12 07:00:38 PurpleDog: I know that suse runs on the BBB Mar 12 07:01:00 I asked the guy to join Mar 12 07:01:06 so stick around Mar 12 07:01:08 cool thank you Mar 12 07:01:11 will do Mar 12 08:18:52 hello Mar 12 08:19:14 hi Mar 12 08:20:03 I required a board having 16 channel adc with 0-5 range Mar 12 08:20:33 0-5 meters? Mar 12 08:21:07 no 0-5 volt range Mar 12 08:21:39 0-5 voltage range\ Mar 12 08:22:13 I required a board having 16 channel adc with 0-5volt range Mar 12 08:23:17 helllooooooooooo Mar 12 08:23:39 hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Mar 12 08:24:00 whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat iiiiiiiiiiiiiis youuuuuuuuuuuuuuur queeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeestion? Mar 12 08:24:03 pls I required a board having 16 channel adc with 0-5volt range Mar 12 08:24:14 yes Mar 12 08:24:25 we do not provide such a board Mar 12 08:24:54 beagleboard with such addon Mar 12 08:24:56 but you could add that to a Beaglebone Mar 12 08:25:04 yes Mar 12 08:25:06 did you search for it? Mar 12 08:25:11 hno Mar 12 08:25:20 no Mar 12 08:25:41 pls sent the url Mar 12 08:29:30 vishlalith: google for "national instruments" Mar 12 08:38:59 .o0(more swiss) Mar 12 08:43:57 Morning Mar 12 08:44:54 People have made a FM Transmitter for the Pi, I wonder if we can build it with the BBB Mar 12 08:45:14 sure Mar 12 08:45:57 how would we go about it, I mean what would we be using Mar 12 08:46:09 In software Mar 12 08:50:29 Abhishek_: DO NOT DO THAT,, Mar 12 08:52:46 the fm transmitter for the rpi not only violates laws in all western countries (it can get you 10k usd fine if you live in the us) but might even kill people as it interferes severely with senitive stuff like pacemakers! Mar 12 08:53:59 yea you can get a safe & legal NS73M based module to hook up for 10 dollars Mar 12 08:55:23 Abhishek_: the BBB might not have the fractional divider oscilator needed Mar 12 08:55:30 that the rpi SoC has Mar 12 08:55:30 I'm assuming the RPi transmitter is internal osc based Mar 12 08:55:34 yes Mar 12 08:55:37 what av500 said :) Mar 12 08:55:57 it must be like 100mW or more then? :O Mar 12 08:56:05 with a decent antenna Mar 12 08:56:30 http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter Mar 12 08:56:49 Vaizki: on BBB I would try to use the LCD controller Mar 12 08:57:04 generate a bit pattern Mar 12 08:57:18 hmmh Mar 12 08:57:30 if you can make it output video without H and V porches Mar 12 08:57:46 anyway, I can't understand why anyone would like to do that FM hack Mar 12 08:57:58 "because they can" Mar 12 08:58:10 sure, like a science project thing. Mar 12 08:58:26 but it's useless for anything except a chuckle and killing all the old people nearby Mar 12 09:00:26 its not only old people who have pacemakers....and there are other types of implants as well Mar 12 09:00:48 maybe it can kill the brain implants? Mar 12 09:00:54 and we can think freely again? Mar 12 09:08:46 put on a tinfoil hat Mar 12 09:09:14 I use baconfoil Mar 12 09:10:20 I use cinefoil, it is stylish and durable Mar 12 09:44:39 PurpleDog: still here? Mar 12 09:46:43 PurpleDog: was a missunderstanding Mar 12 09:46:45 not suse Mar 12 11:18:13 hello all together :) Today I have received my BeagleBone. I want to develope my own code with CCS 5.5 (bare metal). There is no SD Card plugged in. When I try to debug my code I get the message "Error connecting to the target: (Error -1266 @ 0x0) Device is held in reset. Take the device out of reset, and retry the operation. (Emulation package 5.1.232.0)" Mar 12 11:18:27 I can not find any information about how I can put the board out of the reset mode Mar 12 11:18:31 Any ideas? Mar 12 11:18:56 I have got a BeagleBone Rev A6A (the white one) Mar 12 11:20:01 I use the TI XDS 100 v2 USB Emulator. Mar 12 11:22:01 stefan____: the BeagleBone White has a built in jtag emulator IIRC Mar 12 11:22:20 How can I use it? Mar 12 11:22:40 http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/a3/Docs/ccs-jtag-simple.htm did you check this guide? Mar 12 11:22:41 Shall I select the XDS2xx USB OnBoard Emulator Mar 12 11:22:42 ? Mar 12 11:23:19 yes - I have already tried this Mar 12 11:23:23 Same result Mar 12 11:24:45 uhm.. do youhave an sd card in your bbb white? Mar 12 11:24:51 s/bbb/bb/ Mar 12 11:25:53 no - I have removed it, because I dont want it to boot the Linux Mar 12 11:28:17 ok. do you have the .gel file? Mar 12 11:30:07 yeah - in the target config the path to the gel file was first not valid Mar 12 11:30:17 then I have found the gel file in the ccs 5 installation folder Mar 12 11:30:20 ..\..\emulation\boards\beaglebone\gel\beaglebone.gel Mar 12 11:30:26 this is the path Mar 12 11:30:31 I use Mar 12 11:30:34 check this (last posts) http://e2e.ti.com/support/development_tools/code_composer_studio/f/81/p/195733/730034.aspx Mar 12 11:33:35 thanks Mar 12 11:38:00 it works! :D Mar 12 11:39:00 I have created a new project, selected the beagle bone Cortex A, selected the XDS100v2 USB Emulator Mar 12 11:39:46 Then I pressed the run button - CCS 5 told me, that it has found 2 CPUs (Cortex A... and M3...) I have unselected the M3 and now it works fine :) Mar 12 11:40:03 I tried the stuff with the bypassing of the M3, but that did work Mar 12 11:41:27 nice! Mar 12 11:41:35 thank you very much :D Mar 12 11:41:47 Have a nice day! :) Mar 12 14:17:57 did s.o. succeed in building a toolchain for osx for the beaglebone? Mar 12 14:20:58 it should just simply work, shouldnt it? Mar 12 14:26:20 its armv8, doesnt apple use that on iPohnes too? Mar 12 14:34:32 so I take it that it doesn't run on the BB av500? Mar 12 14:34:52 I guess suse has armv8 builds Mar 12 14:34:59 so all you need is a kernel Mar 12 14:35:04 HW runs SW, film at 11 Mar 12 14:44:52 Hey guys, I have an usb issue: My bluetooth dongle sometimes doesn't get initialized after boot - I read a lot about this issue on the web. Is this really a beagle bone black hardware issue or do I have any chance to resolve this in software? I experienced this on angstrom as well as debian and already unsuccessfully tried to reset the usb devices via libusb. Mar 12 14:45:45 there was a kernel bug, use an up to date kernel Mar 12 14:49:35 av500: no, theres no, it doesnt work out of the box, and then theres a problem with opengl and egl Mar 12 14:50:07 ? Mar 12 14:50:18 what has the toolchain to do with opengl` Mar 12 14:50:22 ? Mar 12 14:50:33 there is only egl Mar 12 14:51:09 av500: i want to crosscompile from osx to beaglebone. for this i need a osx-arm qt-version Mar 12 14:51:51 applepie: ah now I understand Mar 12 14:53:52 Hmmm I'm on 3.8.13 which is the newest debian image from http://beagleboard.org/latest-images. The current kernel version is 3.13.6 but this guy https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/issues/64 is having the issue on 3.12.1 - do you know for sure that the kernel bug was fixed and above which kernel version? Mar 12 14:56:43 applepie: sorry, no idea about qt for BBB on mac Mar 12 15:00:48 hello? Mar 12 15:01:21 world! Mar 12 15:01:36 foo? Mar 12 15:02:04 pleas could u give me a good source to guide me use java to deal with beaglebone pins? Mar 12 15:02:44 just like from any other programming language Mar 12 15:02:55 open the corresponding sysfs files, write to them Mar 12 15:03:53 I want to use one of the pins as input and another one as out put, could u please help me with some codes? Mar 12 15:04:14 no Mar 12 15:04:29 because its all already documented. Mar 12 15:05:46 http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/GPIO_Driver_Guide#User_Space_-_Sysfs_control Mar 12 15:05:49 has some examples Mar 12 15:06:21 or http://www.armhf.com/index.php/using-beaglebone-black-gpios/ Mar 12 15:06:52 the latter one actually seems to be pretty nice and well written Mar 12 15:08:16 And on the java side: File, FileWriter and their friends Mar 12 15:08:24 I am starter using this board, thanks a lot for these links, Mar 12 15:09:03 so lesson #1, #2, and #3 all in one: learn how to google yourself Mar 12 15:10:33 I know how to google, but the case was I want to use this pins with ultrasonic sensor for my assignment. Mar 12 15:11:11 and there was few in google about it so I came to here, appreciate ur help. Mar 12 15:14:19 ultrasonic Mar 12 15:14:30 sr04? Mar 12 15:14:32 that wont work Mar 12 15:14:40 supa sonic! Mar 12 15:14:56 Here_: connect the sensor to arduino, connect arduino to beagle Mar 12 15:16:18 or just http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ShGePnMx0 Mar 12 15:16:25 If I used arduino then why connect it to beaglebone?! Mar 12 15:17:11 Here_: what is the name of the sensor Mar 12 15:18:29 Hi guys, we now do ship for free worldwide, have a look: www.indiegogo.com/projects/arduino-shield-to-beaglebone-black-cape--2/x/3353417 Mar 12 15:18:46 av500: I'm curious - why would that sensor not work with a beagle bone? Mar 12 15:18:52 I want to use this model: I052117 Mar 12 15:19:01 heNNa-: user spacwe timing Mar 12 15:19:04 heNNa-: user space timing Mar 12 15:19:08 npt very precise Mar 12 15:19:10 not* Mar 12 15:19:25 on an arduino you can setup a timer IRQ Mar 12 15:19:38 or rather, IRQ and check timer value Mar 12 15:19:41 very low latency Mar 12 15:19:47 you can do the same on the BBB of course Mar 12 15:19:51 but not from user space Mar 12 15:20:03 there are i2c variants for srf04 Mar 12 15:20:10 well, yes Mar 12 15:20:19 if the module does the measurement, its fine Mar 12 15:20:29 still 5V.. Mar 12 15:20:31 but him asking for GPIOs did not imply I2C Mar 12 15:20:44 5V is not the issue Mar 12 15:21:02 and resistors Mar 12 15:21:05 add* Mar 12 15:21:07 Ah ok - thanks. Mar 12 15:21:28 it is an issue if you are not careful/do it wrong Mar 12 15:21:30 tucow: you ship` Mar 12 15:21:31 tucow: you ship? Mar 12 15:21:40 where can I order? Mar 12 15:21:46 on indiegogo Mar 12 15:22:14 does anybody can help? Mar 12 15:22:52 tucow: all I see is a crowdsourcing effort :) Mar 12 15:23:06 Here_: we gave you links Mar 12 15:23:30 av500, but no exactsteps for using a browser ? Mar 12 15:23:57 he said he can google Mar 12 15:24:03 what do you mean only a crowdsourcing effort? Mar 12 15:24:16 tucow: i'm nitpicking Mar 12 15:24:20 you said "we ship" Mar 12 15:24:27 gnarf (; Mar 12 15:24:33 * LetoThe2nd hands av500 some nits Mar 12 15:24:37 I saw "you plan to ship if you reach your goals and make the project succeed" Mar 12 15:24:38 hope you have fun Mar 12 15:24:39 say* Mar 12 15:25:04 av500: Thanks for the links. Mar 12 15:25:05 no, we also ship if we don"t reach the goal Mar 12 15:25:13 it's in the faq at the bottom Mar 12 15:25:30 ah Mar 12 15:25:51 so why not have an order site? Mar 12 15:25:58 maybe we should bring it up Mar 12 15:26:30 No European orders? meh .. Mar 12 15:26:31 Defiant: Thank you. Mar 12 15:27:05 we just thought indiegogo would be a good platform to reach more people Mar 12 15:27:30 that's why we didn't just setp up a store Mar 12 15:27:35 ic Mar 12 15:27:47 so you have HW now? Mar 12 15:28:02 heNNa-: EU has pesky regulations :) Mar 12 15:28:10 sure, as you can see in the video it's fully working Mar 12 15:28:21 That's true Mar 12 15:28:41 heNNa-: we do ship to europe, there are EU perks Mar 12 15:28:53 if your question is related to my post Mar 12 15:29:03 tucow: Thanks, saw it - my bad :) Mar 12 15:29:24 we jyst had to plit it into INT and EU due to those stupid taxes Mar 12 15:29:28 *just Mar 12 15:35:39 tucow: Try to reduce it to 22 EUR - in Germany we have to pay extra duty for orders above 22 EUR - which is really annoying because then you have to collect your stuff at the custom office Mar 12 15:35:52 * orders from non-european countries Mar 12 15:35:58 we du ship from germany Mar 12 15:36:04 you don't have to pick it up at the customs Mar 12 15:36:15 Ah ok nice Mar 12 15:36:16 *do Mar 12 15:36:21 from düsseldorf Mar 12 15:37:22 where you from, heNNa-? Mar 12 15:37:32 Mainz Mar 12 15:37:33 heNNa-: ship with UPS, they handle the taxes Mar 12 15:38:01 ah, so actually we could bring it to you on our own (; Mar 12 15:38:30 Defiant: Cool - didn't know ... learned it the hard way when i ordered something from China :) Mar 12 15:38:48 tucow: Hehe yeah Mar 12 15:38:52 heNNa-: take care, they calc the shipping costs into the price Mar 12 15:38:57 so 22 incl. shipping Mar 12 15:39:13 is the limit Mar 12 15:39:13 the last time i did order from china, servos for my humanoid robot, ups handled everything Mar 12 15:39:20 av500: Yep, experienced that :/ Mar 12 15:39:29 yes, UPS, DHL etc van candle it Mar 12 15:39:35 can handle* Mar 12 15:39:36 :) Mar 12 15:39:44 DHL faxes me a form to fill our Mar 12 15:40:20 i got mails from dhl the last time and one time, fedex, asked me for what i'm ordering samples.. Mar 12 15:40:26 i mean.. as a sample? Mar 12 15:40:36 tucow: ordered servos and stepper motors :) Mar 12 15:40:41 hehe Mar 12 15:42:01 but not for a robot ... I'm taking my first steps with the gpio pins :) Mar 12 15:42:39 ah, so shield i/o whould be perfect for you (; no worries about 5v and stuff :D Mar 12 15:42:51 hehe Mar 12 15:42:51 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fwsj1bg4xixinp6/w6UGNiJRMZ Mar 12 15:43:03 I overcome the 5V thing with some transistors Mar 12 15:43:03 tucow: how is the SW support? Mar 12 15:44:59 for what, changing the logic levels? we will provide bash scripts for that and also c code we used to drive the neopixel using prus Mar 12 15:45:59 and of course the i2c registers to write to use it in your own stuff Mar 12 15:46:01 tucow: yes - this RC equipment need 5-6V pulses as I learned so far Mar 12 15:46:44 ah, RC, yea that's what I wanted to use one shield i/o for too Mar 12 15:47:01 i did never build a driving robot, it's time to do so (; Mar 12 15:47:30 i will publish my code in august/septembre Mar 12 15:47:53 if you are interested Mar 12 15:48:36 tucow: changing logic levels in SW sounds nice :) Mar 12 15:48:37 where will you publish it? Mar 12 15:48:40 saves ppl from soldering Mar 12 15:48:53 bitbucket most likely Mar 12 15:49:44 tucow: schematics open? Mar 12 15:49:53 (just asking) Mar 12 15:50:03 i think i did already see your project somewhere.. the video is quite familiar Mar 12 15:50:32 nope, av500 Mar 12 15:50:49 I'm working on a bluetooth/ble/adhoc-wlan publish/subscribe middleware the next 6 months (for my msc) and i really like the project so i will release this fun project as an more complex example for the middleware. Mar 12 15:51:25 Well, this project is 2 weeks old ... I don't think so :) Mar 12 15:52:06 mhm theeeeeen maybe someone else did it too and i just mixed it up ^^ Mar 12 15:52:56 Yeah there are many projects like this on the web :) Mar 12 15:54:03 sure, it just looked exactly the same when you took the controller Mar 12 15:54:44 (: the real fun is with the wheel (force feedback) Mar 12 15:55:40 Hello, I am hoping someone can give me some advice. I have a beaglebone white that's updated to the 3.2.42 kernel and i am getting high-speed USB resets using msub-hdrc. I suspect that there's a bug in a driver or something. I'm wondering if anyone has seen this and knows if there's a different kernel I can install or a different workaround. Mar 12 15:57:56 how about the stock kernel? Mar 12 15:58:23 The stock kernel that came with the board (3.2.343) gives me the same trouble Mar 12 15:58:30 ops 3.2.34 Mar 12 16:52:22 hi Mar 12 16:52:52 i found this interesting document about DSTAR http://dstarradioclub-international.com/uploads/3/0/8/0/3080645/owners_manual_-_kit_assembly_english__rev.1.pdf Mar 12 16:53:21 it shows how to apply DSTAR to transceivers which are not built from ICOM Mar 12 16:56:06 i would like to know if Beagle can replace the full scheme used in this document to page 10 or part of this electronic scheme Mar 12 17:41:20 natsukao: as far as I can see, with a bit of work, it could Mar 12 17:41:40 ah, mmmm good, very good Mar 12 17:42:10 natsukao: but you miss all the software in U1 Mar 12 17:43:03 for that i saw is used the CMX589, for that i understood, is necessary to program it, Mar 12 17:43:19 Hey guys, I am having issues using the serial port from Node (npm install serialport). It responds with an error about failed to execute node-gyp. I've installed Node-gyp, installed python-compile but can't get past this one. On the github for serialport they say node 0.10.x is required and BBB only has 0.8.22. Anyone make this work in Angstrom? Mar 12 17:43:54 natsukao: there's quite a bit of software to be written for such a thing Mar 12 17:44:37 and is not mentioned the source code used for CMX589, so i suppose, that they develop their own software, and i suppose that are not interested to distribute it under the terms of GNU General Public License Mar 12 17:46:06 natsukao: quite problably. maybe you'll want to experimtn with rtl-sdr Mar 12 17:48:42 no, i got 5 transceivers and i don't need of a display, i need to control it with a RS-232, and to use in combination with a PC Mar 12 17:49:02 that circuit is done to work without PC Mar 12 17:49:39 don't like to me things where i can't put the hands Mar 12 17:49:45 :) Mar 12 17:57:51 zatara: you can compile node on the beaglebone itself, it's slow but totally works Mar 12 17:58:28 zatara: also, you may be able to use an older version of serialport, just specify the version in your package.json Mar 12 18:13:18 i found a circuit with gmsk cmx589 to mount for example on arduino or an Rasperry Mar 12 18:13:51 an i found a source code released under the terms of GNU General Public License Version 2 Mar 12 18:14:13 but it was developed with winzozz Mar 12 18:15:19 was used that shit of Visual C++ than gcc Mar 12 18:16:15 this is the circuit : http://ki6zum.com/dstar/dv_overview.htm Mar 12 18:16:30 i think is possible to use on beagle too Mar 12 18:27:29 i found this URL, but i have problems to see it: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://lhspodcast.info/tag/d-star/feed/&sa=U&ei=QqUgU4eIGMPD4gSkvIGQBA&ved=0CEgQFjAH&sig2=Y0xcYUYgzghZ4ojRjzzRSQ&usg=AFQjCNEq07-HroFeYANFHt_5WSje1fLSGw Mar 12 18:28:08 is there a decent write up about connecting to the bbb via usb? Mar 12 18:31:02 oh my god nerds Mar 12 18:31:03 whyyyy Mar 12 18:31:19 natsukao: after reading the whole page I have no idea what “DV” means in this context Mar 12 18:33:57 I'm gonna guess Digital Voice Mar 12 18:35:21 yup, it'd a d-star thing. Mar 12 18:43:42 flughafen: in what sense? Mar 12 18:45:12 before modulation where analogic and in FM Mar 12 18:45:17 s5fs: i found it, Mar 12 18:45:30 good to go Mar 12 18:45:33 now there is the possibility to use digital Mar 12 18:45:49 s5fs: i mean, connecting via ssh/network/whatever to the bbb with a usb cable Mar 12 18:45:53 (no other cable) Mar 12 18:46:18 flughafen: ah, sharing your pc network connection with the bbb over usb, yes? not "how can i ssh into the bbb" Mar 12 18:46:20 lsusb doesnt show that the board is shown up Mar 12 18:46:27 right Mar 12 18:46:28 but to use diital is necessary to buy the icom transceivers Mar 12 18:46:29 flughafen: what os? Mar 12 18:46:32 archlinux Mar 12 18:46:49 i downloaded the mkdevrule.sh but i'm failing to be able to connect Mar 12 18:46:51 icom developed its own D-STAR Mar 12 18:47:12 flughafen: okay i'm running ubuntu. when i connect my bbb (running stock angstrom img) it shows up as a network interface on my laptop Mar 12 18:47:23 years ago other people worked to D-STAR for computer Mar 12 18:47:44 others did good thing, but not fully complete Mar 12 18:47:50 flughafen: from there, i set the default gw on the beagle to be my usb interface ip (192.168.7.1 iirc) Mar 12 18:48:02 flughafen: then i just dork with iptables and allow forwarding Mar 12 18:48:43 i ran dhchpd on it Mar 12 18:48:45 flughafen: i didn't have to install any drivers or anything in order to have the bbb show up as a network interface, afaik anyways Mar 12 18:48:51 flughafen: are you not using a stock image? Mar 12 18:49:07 aaaaah Mar 12 18:49:12 s5fs: now i';m getting connected Mar 12 18:49:18 :D Mar 12 18:49:51 running dhcpd on it worked and got the 192.168.7.2 Mar 12 18:50:01 flughafen: http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/BBB_networking_in_tethered_mode Mar 12 18:50:14 flughafen: yeah, its pretty funky, it runs dhcpd and only serves a single ip Mar 12 18:50:21 a group of people worked to D-STAR, and has developed a non free D-STAR, because there is not any distribution of source code under the terms of GNU General Public License Mar 12 18:51:47 s5fs: yeah... :) thanks Mar 12 18:51:58 the idea came: why don't work to a D-STAR with GMSK CMX589 and to search in the NET the source code for GMSK CMX589 and to modify so that is possible to use with beagle board ? Mar 12 18:52:33 obviously is a little part of the full project. Mar 12 18:55:44 flughafen: happy to help Mar 12 18:56:13 no problem! Mar 12 18:57:59 hi Mar 12 18:58:04 i need help!! Mar 12 18:58:08 any here??? Mar 12 18:59:30 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Mar 12 18:59:37 hi emlosis Mar 12 18:59:41 hi Mar 12 18:59:53 im from mexico, where i can buy a beagle bone black? Mar 12 18:59:54 we're all asleep Mar 12 19:00:36 jajaj wake uo :D Mar 12 19:00:41 wake up :D Mar 12 19:00:44 like everybody else. Mar 12 19:01:00 read beagleboard.org, pick a distributor, order, wait Mar 12 19:01:28 i found it Mar 12 19:01:32 eh eh eh Mar 12 19:01:45 yes, but mexico is not listed Mar 12 19:01:58 just for beagleboaord Mar 12 19:02:04 http://www.va3uv.com/hp/Debian-install-new.pdf Mar 12 19:02:19 i'm pretty sure that digikey for example ships to mexico Mar 12 19:02:20 jameco ships internationally, but it's a 6-8 week wait Mar 12 19:03:17 mx.mouser.com, mexico.newark.com seem to be options, emlosis Mar 12 19:03:36 thank you so much :D Mar 12 19:03:39 dwery, i found what i needed Mar 12 19:03:45 im go to see this pages :D Mar 12 19:05:02 as soon as possible i'll buy a bb Mar 12 19:05:12 so i'll start to use it Mar 12 19:05:39 and then, i'll do what is well explained Mar 12 19:05:42 there's apparently a shortage Mar 12 19:06:29 but to the same time i ask you the pleasure to put that news, between the support for ham radio with BB Mar 12 19:06:54 not just for me, but for other people, which could be interested Mar 12 19:07:30 a digital transceiver ICOM does not cost less than 500EUROS Mar 12 19:07:43 only for D-STAR Mar 12 19:07:44 i got mine from amazon.de Mar 12 19:08:49 and buying a BB, there is the possibility don't buy ICOM, and to use all those tranceivers built from 1991 till 2014 Mar 12 19:09:44 you can see page 29 of this document http://dstarradioclub-international.com/uploads/3/0/8/0/3080645/owners_manual_-_kit_assembly_english__rev.1.pdf Mar 12 19:10:46 is there a C/c++ lib that is like the js lib/more arduino like? Mar 12 19:11:33 flughafen: what are you trying to accomplish? Mar 12 19:11:41 so, if i can pay $$145USD, for a BB, why to buy a transceiver which has a non free code ? do you think many people can decompile a chip on a board of a transceiver ? Mar 12 19:12:31 for the simple fact that is not easy to do it, i saw in THE NET, and i found documentation about, i saw for two days Mar 12 19:12:44 and now i found it Mar 12 19:13:12 with source code and with a BB all will be more easy Mar 12 19:13:49 and to the same time i don't need to sell my old transceivers to buy new ones, only to have D-STAR Mar 12 19:14:57 when they are good for DXing : Kenwood TS-50; Kenwood TS-60; Kenwood TM-255; Kenwood TM-455; Kenwood Th-D7 ver 2.0 Mar 12 19:14:57 s5fs: well, i will use opencv , but was unsure about other features like reading pins and stuff, i've generally done MMIO with previous arm boards, but that is kind of a pain... Mar 12 19:16:11 if any of you have an account on QRZ.COM can see my Log, with my DX's, my callsign is iw0fzw Mar 12 19:19:34 flughafen: there are opencv bindings in most languages, i'd choose whatever you are most comfortable with Mar 12 19:19:55 s5fs: i use python/ruby at work, but I'd rather use c++ Mar 12 19:20:37 flughafen: I assume you're review the api docs? Mar 12 19:22:44 s5fs: are you familiar with cross compiling? Mar 12 19:35:25 can you make the bbb default to booting off the sd card somehow? Mar 12 19:36:16 it does already Mar 12 19:36:28 not exactly Mar 12 19:36:51 LetoThe2nd, love the name love the books, yeah you are right on that account. Mar 12 19:37:10 it takes the kernel+rootfs from the sd if possible, but first/second stage loading happens from emmc Mar 12 19:37:27 mistawright, it does? i thought you have to hold the button down to boot off sd? Mar 12 19:38:26 yeah, with the button it also pulls mlo + u-boot from the card. Mar 12 19:39:12 like LetoThe2nd says it depends. I run archlinux on my sd card and it was setup correctly. But i know the beaglebone black is able to detect and boot from the sd card if the conditions are met Mar 12 19:39:31 i see Mar 12 19:39:37 flughafen: yeah, a little bit. i use yocto for my builds. Mar 12 19:39:45 thanks, i will experiment further. i just booted to the debian image Mar 12 19:40:09 if i'm running arm-linux, do i need to compile for arm-elf? Mar 12 19:40:11 s5fs: ^^ Mar 12 19:40:35 the easiest way to hard boot always from sd card is placeing a 10k resistor (or something alike) between p9.44 and p8.43 :) Mar 12 19:42:48 that seems like a handy thing to have on a switch Mar 12 19:42:49 s5fs: thanks for the response earlier, I was at lunch!! Mar 12 19:42:53 flughafen: i don't recall, i just installed the gcc-arm-linux-gnuabi or whatever and it seemed to have what i needed Mar 12 19:42:58 zatara: haha i'm out the door for snacks shortly Mar 12 19:43:12 I am trying your suggestion about earlier version now Mar 12 19:52:06 s5fs: sorry i'm back, had some issues Mar 12 19:52:24 s5fs: i didn't see anything asking if i wanted to compile for arm-elf Mar 12 19:57:39 is the chip on the bbb an armv7? Mar 12 19:58:59 ARMv7 Processor rev 2 Mar 12 19:59:05 according to /proc/cpuinfo Mar 12 19:59:10 thanks Mar 12 19:59:15 yw Mar 12 19:59:51 archlinux has a really crappy/unbuildable(for me) cross compiler, so I'm thinking of just installing crosstools-ng Mar 12 20:00:55 actually, it looks like the aur has crosstools Mar 12 20:04:11 im kind of in the same boat getting a crossdev environment going on gentoo. but once setup it should be fairly simple Mar 12 20:08:49 I've been trying to keep Angstrom on this bbb, but haven't been able to get serialport nor sqlite working in node. Anyone use ubuntu/debian with more success? Mar 12 20:13:35 where can i find a diagram of the headers and what all the pins are? Mar 12 20:13:42 for the bbb Mar 12 20:15:58 SRM. Mar 12 20:19:33 http://insigntech.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/bbb_pinouts.jpg Mar 12 20:21:31 thans zatara Mar 12 20:24:09 i just discovered that npm install serialport@0.7.4 WORKS!!!! Mar 12 20:25:32 Hi Mar 12 20:27:42 anyone know how to get a BBB to handle WPA2 hex passphrase on the newest emmc debian? All I ever get is bad password Mar 12 20:28:37 supersoul: using wicd? Mar 12 20:28:52 Yes, wicd Mar 12 20:29:39 you might have to specify the type ... Mar 12 20:31:21 i usually specify "WPA 1/2 (passphrase)" rather than the default "WPA 1/2 (Hex [0-9/A-F])" Mar 12 20:31:52 i haven't specifically used it with the bbb, but i usually have better luck with that setting in wicd Mar 12 20:32:05 done that vagrantc -- wicd wont handle a standard alphanumeric passphrase - I use: wpa_passphrase (SSID) (PASSPHRASE) to generate hex Mar 12 20:32:25 works very occasioanlly Mar 12 20:32:59 hrm. Mar 12 20:33:29 i use wicd all the time that way... Mar 12 20:33:46 from emmc? Mar 12 20:34:21 no, just on debian on my netbook, and also on a different little arm device, not on the bbb Mar 12 20:34:41 ahh ok Mar 12 20:35:30 I'll go try normal passphrase again and see what happens (after running an update) Mar 12 20:35:54 Thanks for responding and for your time vagrantc Mar 12 20:35:59 gladly Mar 12 20:52:47 Hello, can anyone tell me, if it is possible to see the output of u-boot or the u-boot console on an hdmi output? Mar 12 20:53:59 depends on the platform Mar 12 20:54:22 oh, sorry Mar 12 20:54:25 beaglebone black Mar 12 20:54:45 u-boot happens before the hdmi stuff comes up, doesn't it? Mar 12 20:55:10 with mainline, it's only via serial console ... Mar 12 20:55:14 mainline u-boot Mar 12 20:56:01 is there some other version which supports hdmi with the arm processor? Mar 12 20:58:30 there are other arm platforms that support it, but i'm not aware of support for the beaglebone black Mar 12 20:59:37 do you maybe have some link? Mar 12 21:00:24 u-boot is really a way of wedging an interface into a part of system bringup that normally has none. Being able to do it over high-level stuff like HDMI is really not the point. Mar 12 21:01:13 The main problem if have is, that i am trying to build a system with buildroot for the beaglebone black Mar 12 21:01:47 it doesn't boot and i don't have cable to connect to the tty Mar 12 21:01:55 (hope it's correct) Mar 12 21:02:16 it would be just really nice if i would be able to see some infos Mar 12 21:02:22 or maybe write a log to mmc? Mar 12 21:02:42 that's why you have a serial console! Mar 12 21:03:23 it's like asking your car to display crank current on the speedometer. No, that hasn't even booted yet. That's why you but an ammeter, they're not expensive. Mar 12 21:04:38 yes i know. ordered already the second. delivery seems really slow... Mar 12 21:04:55 waiting since over one week now Mar 12 21:05:17 so i was just searching for other methods Mar 12 21:05:33 Malone: just overnight a cable from amazon or something Mar 12 21:05:43 yep this is my second order Mar 12 21:05:45 Malone: or you can make your own if there is an electronic parts house nearby Mar 12 21:05:57 how? Mar 12 21:06:00 I miss computers with real serial ports. Mar 12 21:06:21 i have an old usb cable :) Mar 12 21:06:24 Malone: get a usb to serial adaptor, then just break the serial out yourself Mar 12 21:06:55 should be able to find usb to serial at radio shark Mar 12 21:07:42 THose tend to be RS232-compatible, and will break the bone. Mar 12 21:07:57 Need a level converter like a MAX232 in the system. Mar 12 21:08:14 agmlego: well sure but you can find level converters pretty easily, they're cheap Mar 12 21:08:24 i mean i dunno, i made my own cable before i bought a few off amazon, so it is possible Mar 12 21:08:33 Sure, and I do not disagree. Mar 12 21:08:52 one thing i think we agree on is the value and importance of a serial cable ;) Mar 12 21:08:54 I orderd no this: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00AFRXKFU/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Mar 12 21:08:58 this it should be fine? Mar 12 21:09:26 Yeah, that will work. Mar 12 21:09:33 I thought s5fs was suggesting gutting the usb-to-232 adapter and getting in before the level shifter Mar 12 21:09:35 Malone: this is what I use http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B008AGDTA4/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=16NQH7PBKRGQVA07XFPF&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455353807&pf_rd_i=301128 Mar 12 21:09:49 myself: THat is an option too. ;-P Mar 12 21:10:10 is it just a cable or is there some conversion chip? Mar 12 21:10:27 Malone: with my link you just connect one end to your computer and the other to the Beagle Mar 12 21:10:40 in a usb-to-232 cable are two chips: the usb-to-ttl protocol chip, and the ttl-to-232 level converter. Mar 12 21:10:50 ah ok Mar 12 21:10:51 the beagle is ttl level, so you need just the one. Mar 12 21:10:59 well actually it's 3.3v isn't it? so nevermind that Mar 12 21:11:01 Malone: attached like this: http://pokemedia.com/images/serial-bbb.jpg Mar 12 21:11:47 thank you Mar 12 21:12:10 myself: I *think* the FTDI header is 5V-tolerant. Mar 12 21:12:20 But I could be wrong. The SRM would know. Mar 12 21:12:57 so ttl is 3.3 or beaglebone? Mar 12 21:13:04 (voltage) Mar 12 21:13:09 ttl is 5v, I was wrong earlier Mar 12 21:13:15 beaglebone is 3.3 Mar 12 21:13:30 so you really want a 3.3v usb-uart adapter, that's the easiest Mar 12 21:14:03 and what i ordered has what level? Mar 12 21:14:58 seems to be an usb-uart converter but nothing written there about voltages Mar 12 21:15:18 Good question! Mar 12 21:16:18 Malone: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial Mar 12 21:16:25 3.3V is what you need. Mar 12 21:17:51 Malone: Reviews on your product claim it is 3.3V, but you need to measure it when you get it to be sure. Mar 12 21:19:01 mmm Mar 12 21:19:07 so how would i do that? connect the pins and then to measure usb voltage? Mar 12 21:19:19 i have nokia data cables that take vref from phone Mar 12 21:19:30 er Mar 12 21:19:35 measure something on ends Mar 12 21:19:55 Malone: COnnect the device to your computer and send data at it, with PuTTY or the like, and watch the TX pin on your scope. Mar 12 21:20:14 i don't think he has scope Mar 12 21:20:22 how about just dmm? Mar 12 21:20:31 Not fast enough by about 300x. Mar 12 21:20:54 i don't have a scope Mar 12 21:21:00 OK, so buy one. Mar 12 21:21:03 ;-P Mar 12 21:21:08 :D Mar 12 21:21:12 good idea Mar 12 21:21:28 Not like they cost a lot these days--a DSO Nano or Quad would be fine for this task. Mar 12 21:21:38 US$150 or so. Mar 12 21:21:40 is it possible to measure it with a normal voltmeter Mar 12 21:21:44 No. Mar 12 21:21:51 Not reliably or accurately. Mar 12 21:21:56 great... Mar 12 21:22:14 agmlego: can't see difference between 5 and 3.3? Mar 12 21:22:34 The other option is to jsut buy an adapter that is listed as actually being the correct voltage, or better, has a selector. Mar 12 21:22:38 agmlego: you don't need precision measurement for that? Mar 12 21:22:42 ketas-: On a runing serial data line? No. Mar 12 21:22:43 hmm Mar 12 21:23:03 switch to ac mode? :) Mar 12 21:23:05 VBUS is not necessarily the same level as the serial data lines. Mar 12 21:23:14 ketas-: THat expects a sinusoid. Mar 12 21:23:20 Not a square wave, Mar 12 21:23:20 i think i found something: http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/CP2102-9.pdf Mar 12 21:23:22 just send enough data out Mar 12 21:23:36 this is the chip used in the converter Mar 12 21:24:06 hmm wait Mar 12 21:24:07 but i am not sure which voltages are the ones i need :D Mar 12 21:24:17 is mine 3.3v Mar 12 21:24:21 even Mar 12 21:24:24 :P Mar 12 21:24:24 yes Mar 12 21:24:27 3.3 Mar 12 21:24:29 Malone: THat tells you nothing about how the chip is configured on the adapter. Mar 12 21:24:44 And it is a configurable chip. Mar 12 21:24:55 arrrg Mar 12 21:25:04 :) Mar 12 21:25:09 it could be so easy Mar 12 21:25:13 It could be. Mar 12 21:25:24 YOu could have done the research before you bought an adapter. ;-P Mar 12 21:25:35 my dku-5 appears to have ttl side powered from other end Mar 12 21:25:51 well, how do you accurately measure ttl voltage level anyway+ Mar 12 21:25:54 ? Mar 12 21:25:57 i don't have scope Mar 12 21:26:03 ketas-: With a scope. Mar 12 21:26:11 what if you don't have one Mar 12 21:26:18 YOu buy a scope. Mar 12 21:26:24 damn Mar 12 21:26:37 "How do I drive screws?" "With a screwdriver." Mar 12 21:26:40 i know this thing doesn't work on ttl side until you power it Mar 12 21:26:52 i actually plan to buy one in future Mar 12 21:27:42 As I told Malone, a DSO Nano or Quad would be perfectly sufficient for this purpose, and are basically disposable. Mar 12 21:28:27 well, i tried to measure data lines Mar 12 21:28:31 what did i get? Mar 12 21:28:52 if i would by a dso nano how would i connect the cable to it? Mar 12 21:29:02 ketas: Nothing useful. Mar 12 21:29:18 i also have tried to measure rs232 lines with multimeter... and it showed reasonable value Mar 12 21:29:25 Malone: The ground side of the probe to ground, the high side of the probe to TX. Mar 12 21:29:27 variable depending on activity Mar 12 21:29:33 Malone: Like you measure any other signal with a scope. ;-P Mar 12 21:29:46 never did that Mar 12 21:29:52 ketas: Variable, but not necessarily the correct absolute levels. Mar 12 21:29:59 Malone: Ah, all the learning then. ;-P Mar 12 21:30:03 this thing seems to have input like tv cables Mar 12 21:30:08 :D Mar 12 21:30:16 Yup. Mar 12 21:30:21 agmlego: well, maybe one can figure out 3.3v vs 5v from that, at minimum? Mar 12 21:30:33 That would be because the signals it is capable of reading are up into the RF range. Mar 12 21:30:53 ketas: Not that I see a reliable way to, without knowing the exact circuit inside the meter. Mar 12 21:31:34 ketas: A DC voltage meter will not give accurate values for a square-wave data signal. An AC meter will not give accurate vsalues for a square-wave data signal. These are facts. ;-P Mar 12 21:31:46 anyway i'm convinced that my ttl cables which are actually data cables have serial side powered form device and therefore would be ok for bbb Mar 12 21:32:29 i think i will just try it out Mar 12 21:32:36 it will burn!!! Mar 12 21:32:46 Not like the bone is that expensive to replace anyway. ;_p Mar 12 21:33:02 well, there is buffer in the way Mar 12 21:33:06 you blow that first? Mar 12 21:33:08 :P Mar 12 21:33:09 if it will not work i will buy a new one and a scope :) Mar 12 21:34:08 hahaha Mar 12 21:34:24 mmm, bbb is so cute Mar 12 21:36:45 i plan to use some for my home automation projects Mar 12 21:37:48 i found it: someone in the comments stated that the pins have 5V but you can wire also the one for 3.3V Mar 12 21:38:09 and if you look really close at the picture it really seem there is written 5v Mar 12 21:38:38 because it's cheap and it's full computer... no need for strange ethernetted avr's Mar 12 21:38:51 with higher price Mar 12 21:39:41 jep Mar 12 21:39:47 great board Mar 12 21:39:49 like those xports Mar 12 21:42:06 agmlego: thanks for your help Mar 12 21:42:22 :) Mar 12 21:42:26 No problem. GOod luck! Mar 12 21:43:35 mmm Mar 12 21:43:54 i could run bbb's with poe power Mar 12 21:46:46 can anyone tell me what exactly does energia do Mar 12 21:47:08 ? Mar 12 21:47:19 <_av500_> it energizes Mar 12 21:47:34 can you mind helping Mar 12 21:47:37 rather than this Mar 12 21:47:37 http://energia.nu/ Mar 12 22:20:46 apparently energia is the arduino software ecosystem for msp430 Mar 12 22:21:20 natsukao: sorry, I was away Mar 12 23:06:07 I think I bricked a BBB, is there a way to unbrick it? Mar 12 23:06:17 When it boots, all I see on the serial connection is a bunch of CCCCCCCCCCC Mar 12 23:06:28 power led comes on but no other activity Mar 12 23:29:24 yes a bricked BBB can be fixed with the special "flashing" image written to a uSD card, and then holding the user button down during power up Mar 12 23:29:48 allow about an hour for the reflash of the board mounted storge to complete Mar 13 00:12:37 N2TOH: turns out it the microsd card slot had partially snapped off the board, we're resoldering it now Mar 13 00:15:08 yikes! Mar 13 00:34:29 haha pretty wild Mar 13 02:19:06 which debian package has the dtc utility in it? Mar 13 02:20:42 https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dtc&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any Mar 13 02:22:10 thanks pjustice Mar 13 02:27:13 so, according to the wiki, to compile a dts file, you use dtc ... -@ ... but dtc does not recognise the -@ and its not mentioned in the man page Mar 13 02:27:20 any idea what that might be for? Mar 13 02:27:45 http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Enable_SPIDEV search for -@ on that page Mar 13 02:29:06 oh - adafruit's site says: -@ generates a symbols node as part of the dynamic DT loading of the overlay Mar 13 02:49:06 anyone around? Mar 13 02:56:00 yup **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 13 02:59:58 2014