**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 21 02:59:58 2014 Mar 21 05:36:44 what do i need to power BBB from a car ciggarette lighter? Mar 21 05:43:05 something that provides 5V Mar 21 05:46:20 A USB car thingy Mar 21 08:32:49 hi! Mar 21 08:33:10 huhu Mar 21 08:33:20 good (UGT) morning Mar 21 08:35:57 good moaning Mar 21 10:44:15 hello i had a question about bbb, i connect it with usb cable to my laptop [running ubuntu 12.04] but nothing happens when i do ifconfig or in device. any tips or commands? Mar 21 10:45:04 moh_: you need to configure the interface on the bbb first Mar 21 10:51:26 honestly, how should i do configure bbb, when i have no access to it? Mar 21 10:53:11 get a serial cable Mar 21 10:53:18 if you're booting from sdcard you can just put the right config on it Mar 21 10:53:30 otherwise, what KotH said Mar 21 10:53:38 always get a serial cable Mar 21 10:53:49 even if you dont have problems (yet) Mar 21 10:54:11 if you don't have a serial cable.. well that's the first problem already Mar 21 10:55:07 i actually don't have serial cable, but i read in manual that configuring with usb cable and default ip: 192.168.7.2 is easy! Mar 21 10:57:13 i have also an sd card with matrix app luncher on it. any chance to configure with that? Mar 21 10:57:32 hmm, lunch Mar 21 10:57:41 av500: guten Appetit Mar 21 10:58:15 moh_: when you connect a stock BBB to your laptop, something should happen Mar 21 10:58:26 windows or ubuntu should detect a device being plugged Mar 21 10:59:14 no nothing happens in ubuntu Mar 21 11:00:26 the problem is the bbb is with the premount sd card on it that i got from some body and i don't know what image or distibution is on it Mar 21 11:01:08 but an application starts at first and there is no X server Mar 21 11:01:13 then get an sdcard and put a known good image Mar 21 11:01:37 also, the BBB has emmc Mar 21 11:01:41 it should boot from there Mar 21 11:01:42 normally Mar 21 11:05:27 the bbb is connected to chipsee lcd. strange thing is when i set bbb to boot from emmc nothing happens. the only way is to boot is to select emmc and put an sd card! Mar 21 11:06:10 actually the program in sd card is so important to me Mar 21 11:11:28 moh_: I haven't followed the full discussion but have you tired to connect it to your LAN? Mar 21 11:11:49 moh_: it may get a dynamic ip and you can connect with ssh? Mar 21 11:13:01 moh_: perhaps the "somebody" you got the BBB from could help you. Its hard for us when you don't even know which image is installed and how the "somebody" configured it Mar 21 11:15:09 thanks Andy1978, but "somebody" has gone. i just wanted to know how determine what version is on sd card. when i plug the sd card in my laptop it mount 2 partitions "boot and root" . any way to handle configuration with these two? Mar 21 11:17:00 and anothor sd card has matrix app luncher on it but i want to configure the on that has an importanmt program on it Mar 21 11:18:25 moh_: what do you want to configure? Mar 21 11:18:49 moh_: if you plug the sdcard into your laptop and the data is valuable, make first a backup with dd Mar 21 11:19:17 yes the sd card is accessible Mar 21 11:19:43 something like "dd if=/dev/sdX of=mysdcard.img bs=1M", you have to figure out the exact device Mar 21 11:19:44 i want to change the program that starts when bbb boots Andy1978 Mar 21 11:20:08 I would really suggest to make a backup of the card first Mar 21 11:20:36 ok but what to do after backup? Mar 21 11:20:54 then mount the root partition Mar 21 11:21:19 moh_: do you know what system is running? Debian, Ubuntu? Mar 21 11:21:28 ubuntu 12.04 Mar 21 11:22:20 I think the first goal is to get a remote shell, isn't it? Mar 21 11:22:40 yes but how. Mar 21 11:22:44 do you have username and password for ssh? Mar 21 11:23:22 you can have a look at /etc/network/interfaces if "somebody" has given a static ip Mar 21 11:23:26 i wanted to ssh through usb cable but nothing happens when i connect it Mar 21 11:23:37 ok i'll check Mar 21 11:24:55 moh_: and then I would look around in /etc/rcX.d Mar 21 11:27:32 but I still don't know if someone gave you a username and password Mar 21 11:28:18 if you only want to change a starting program it may be sufficient to only tweak the start script Mar 21 11:30:30 Andy1978 : all interfaces are configured as dhcp. and in /etc/rcX.d directories what should i exactly check? Mar 21 11:36:35 thanks Andy1978 so much. i found the startup application in etc/rc5.d. Mar 21 11:47:10 Does anyone here has problem with the accuracy of the clock on beagleboard xM-rev C? I synced with ntdate this morning (uptime 3.5h) and now I have an offset of 0.32 seconds Mar 21 11:53:03 Andy1978: do you have any drift compenastion working that lets your clock go off? Mar 21 11:53:50 Andy1978: but .32 in 6h is about 15ppm, that's to be expected Mar 21 11:55:07 Andy1978: for reference: 32kHz watch crystals are usually speced to 50ppm at 25°C Mar 21 11:55:37 Andy1978: and you get iirc another 50ppm off if you deviate more than 20°C from 25°C Mar 21 11:57:16 KotH: I though 0.32s in 3.5h is very much without calculation. Mar 21 11:57:49 next time, calculate first Mar 21 11:57:53 this is 26ppm Mar 21 11:57:59 KotH: YES SIR! Mar 21 11:58:03 that's ok Mar 21 11:58:13 * XorA throws an abacus into the channel Mar 21 11:58:24 * Andy1978 ouch Mar 21 11:58:34 * KotH will only accept abaci made out of pure swiss chocolate Mar 21 11:58:49 KotH: I fear for accuracy of your calculations Mar 21 11:59:14 I think the results may always be zero Mar 21 11:59:25 KotH: will gain weight, without having it calculated.... Mar 21 11:59:32 division by tero? Mar 21 11:59:36 *zero Mar 21 11:59:41 division by läderach Mar 21 12:00:03 Andy1978: chocolate makes you lose weight, not gain Mar 21 12:00:34 What? this would be the best discovery EVER :-D Mar 21 12:00:58 * KotH is the scientific proof that this is true Mar 21 12:01:41 and perhaps we could drink beer to get sober? Mar 21 12:01:57 i dont know about that Mar 21 12:02:00 or we could spend money to get rich? :-) Mar 21 12:02:00 i dont drink beer Mar 21 12:02:44 my spending of money is highly correlated with the amount of money i have on my bank account. this suggests that getting rich by spending money is indeed possible Mar 21 12:18:31 http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/NTMwOTc4OTk-/Bauelemente_Bauteile/Aktive_Bauelemente/Displays/7_17_78_cm_Display_Set_mit_Touchscreen_LS_7T_HDMI_DVI_VGA_CVBS.html Mar 21 12:18:36 €49 HDMI LCD with touch Mar 21 12:18:41 grab it while its hot Mar 21 12:38:26 av500: do you have any experiences with this panel? have just seen it in the paper catalogue... Mar 21 12:38:40 yes, I just saw it in the paper catalogue Mar 21 12:38:43 :) Mar 21 12:38:57 oh, cool :) Mar 21 12:39:05 wondering if i should order it... Mar 21 12:39:25 do it Mar 21 12:39:28 and then tell us Mar 21 12:40:18 okay, i'll do :) Mar 21 12:42:53 \o/ Mar 21 13:37:24 av500: it's ordered, i'll tell you how it works with a bbb Mar 21 13:37:30 nice Mar 21 15:01:20 how much power can the beagleboard c3 reliably source to the usb port Mar 21 15:06:19 500mA I think Mar 21 15:06:33 if in doubt, power the device separately Mar 21 15:07:10 hrm Mar 21 15:08:36 how difficult is it to bridge whatever limits the power Mar 21 15:08:46 on the rpi you can bridge a couple polyfuses Mar 21 15:09:03 enough to run wifi off the usb port Mar 21 15:09:51 I would never run beagleboard C3 without a hub, its really unreliable on USB port Mar 21 15:11:50 500mA is not enough to power the beagleboard and a wifi off the USB Mar 21 15:12:39 vicash: don't mess with the beagle C3 power its very delicate, use a barrel connector Mar 21 15:13:13 XorA: your advice should be for heeen . i agree with your assessment Mar 21 15:13:34 vicash: sorry, yeah, brain failing Mar 21 15:23:51 Xo Mar 21 15:24:32 XorA: I am actually running on a barell connector with a 2A power supply Mar 21 15:24:49 but my wifi dongle drops from the usb Mar 21 15:25:11 heeen: if I remember correctly you need a C4 for reliable USB Mar 21 15:26:40 ar 21 15:25:12 arm kernel: [ 2789.523529] usb 2-2: USB disconnect, device number 3 Mar 21 15:28:46 yes, looks like typical beagleboard C3 fail, you need a C4 for reliable USB Mar 21 15:31:53 XorA: so it's a known problem? any workarounds? Mar 21 15:33:16 heeen: http://www.linusakesson.net/hardware/beagleboard/ehci.php Mar 21 15:33:40 heeen: no idea if this will kill your board Mar 21 15:34:39 * KotH would use a 10uF X7R capacitor instead of an electrolytic Mar 21 15:34:52 helps much better in case of high frequency power dips Mar 21 15:36:03 my rev C3 EHCI port is completely dead Mar 21 15:36:37 without usb the board is p much useless Mar 21 15:37:01 but my wifi works if I just reconnect the dongle Mar 21 15:37:09 so I'm not sure it is the same issue Mar 21 15:38:02 the guy I got it from already soldered a cap between J3 p1 and 27 Mar 21 15:38:08 is that the same fix Mar 21 15:38:20 youl have to check schematics Mar 21 15:38:21 increasing capacitance on the vdd2 Mar 21 16:03:34 ok so I resoldered that cap, I think it was loose Mar 21 16:03:38 lets see if that helps Mar 21 16:44:19 oh god that unionfs burger ... Mar 21 16:44:35 2 more months ... Mar 21 16:44:52 Hi everyone. I was trying to use the kernel 3.13.6 from Robert Nelson but it seems that there is no cape manager. Is that right? Mar 21 16:48:53 Anybody knows something about that? I know that kernel 3.8.13 from the same repository has support for cape but I didn't find for 3.13.6 Mar 21 16:51:57 i thought the cape manager would be in userland not kernel Mar 21 16:53:31 stupid wifi dongle is just buggy Mar 21 16:53:51 they sent me an rt8182 one and I wanted atheros Mar 21 16:53:58 and the open source driver is crap Mar 21 16:54:09 so now I have to build it from realtek sources Mar 21 16:54:19 bleh Mar 21 16:56:40 Ventura: i don't think there is a working capemanager in newer kernels Mar 21 17:46:31 the support for cape is implemented in the kernel. Mar 21 17:48:48 Hi Mar 21 17:49:22 hey i need help with getting started with beaglebone Mar 21 17:49:47 I tried last days the last version of debian image, for me it's perfect.I have a question any body knows if exist a version with minimal. without X etc.. Mar 21 17:50:24 following the steps given on beagleboard.org, i do not get the web page which says connected(step 3) Mar 21 17:50:26 without apache , node, I only need network , a C/C++ compiler Mar 21 17:50:32 please help Mar 21 17:51:13 yrj: you can access to 192.168.7.2 with usb? Mar 21 17:51:16 yrj: what distribution do you run on the bone? Mar 21 17:52:18 no i cannot access to 192.168.7.2 with usb Mar 21 17:52:32 salaet: you have seen this page? http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian Mar 21 17:52:38 should i install ubuntu first and then try accessing it? Mar 21 17:52:45 yrj: which operating system do you have on your PC? Mar 21 17:52:50 windows Mar 21 17:52:57 then install the drivers first Mar 21 17:53:00 i am trying to install ubuntu 13.04 Mar 21 17:53:11 yes installed Mar 21 17:53:11 already Mar 21 17:53:17 what next Mar 21 17:53:23 should b done? Mar 21 17:53:53 try http://192.168.7.2 Mar 21 17:54:07 yrj:if you are using usb Mar 21 17:54:23 yrj: do you have the BBB connected over USB? are the leds blinking? Mar 21 17:54:25 tbr:Yes I have seen this page Mar 21 17:54:40 yes the LEDs are blinking Mar 21 17:54:40 yrj:the power is up? o_O Mar 21 17:54:43 ko Mar 21 17:54:45 ok Mar 21 17:54:59 no i havent connected external power Mar 21 17:55:27 salaet: unable to access the link Mar 21 17:55:35 you have putty? or similar? Mar 21 17:55:44 yrj: did the network interface show up? Mar 21 17:55:51 should the external power be connected? Mar 21 17:55:54 no Mar 21 17:55:58 salaet: well you have seen the page, but did you read it? Mar 21 17:55:59 isnt necessary Mar 21 17:56:06 nope the network interface didnt show up Mar 21 17:56:13 yrj: then check your drivers Mar 21 17:56:35 tried reinstalling almost 5 times Mar 21 17:56:38 tbr:yes but Im not sure how space is using Mar 21 17:56:51 chek md5 Mar 21 17:57:03 help me with the steps which are followed Mar 21 17:57:05 generally Mar 21 17:57:06 I never used in this images Mar 21 17:57:17 but could be useful for you Mar 21 17:57:36 yrj: you rebooted your PC since you installed the drivers? Mar 21 17:57:44 yes i did Mar 21 17:58:21 you have virtualbox with any linux distro? Mar 21 17:58:32 yrj: do you see a USB drive with some files about the BBB? Mar 21 17:59:22 if i cannot access the 192.168.7.2 does it mean even if i install ubuntu over the board it may not work Mar 21 17:59:31 no Mar 21 17:59:33 yes i see them Mar 21 17:59:53 i opened the start(html) file Mar 21 17:59:57 followed the steps Mar 21 18:00:01 it just means that the network driver doesn't work on your board for some reason Mar 21 18:00:01 is that right? Mar 21 18:00:15 so what must be done? Mar 21 18:00:21 solution please Mar 21 18:00:23 if you check in device manager, do you see an additional serial port? Mar 21 18:00:29 we don't provide solutions Mar 21 18:00:36 i mean help me out Mar 21 18:00:36 we provide tips to help yourself Mar 21 18:00:49 yess thats what i meant Mar 21 18:00:51 we are just people from the community, so demands don't work. Mar 21 18:01:08 let me check the device manager Mar 21 18:01:11 a min pls Mar 21 18:02:16 what will be the port be named as...? Mar 21 18:02:30 no idea Mar 21 18:02:41 me too Mar 21 18:02:52 i see a Gadget Serial(COM 51) port Mar 21 18:03:03 except the others which i am using Mar 21 18:03:10 ok, that sounds good Mar 21 18:03:22 how many network devices do you see? Mar 21 18:03:41 a min Mar 21 18:04:38 i see a Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS gadget Mar 21 18:05:23 apart from others(which i am using now) Mar 21 18:05:26 which means that the driver was correctly installed Mar 21 18:05:44 so then Mar 21 18:05:44 :( Mar 21 18:05:51 what can be done? Mar 21 18:05:51 yrj:You have Iphone connected? o_O Mar 21 18:05:51 now go to network connections and check if it got an IPv4 address assigned Mar 21 18:05:58 to USB chargin or itunes? Mar 21 18:06:10 1 min i will check Mar 21 18:06:21 disconnect IPOD or IPHONE Mar 21 18:06:35 and reboot BBB Mar 21 18:07:37 no it hasnt Mar 21 18:07:46 got an ipv4 address assigned Mar 21 18:07:52 or any smartphone Mar 21 18:08:04 salaet i will try that Mar 21 18:10:30 tbr Mar 21 18:10:32 there? Mar 21 18:14:34 yrj: is it set to DHCP? Mar 21 18:18:35 i can see it only in network adapter Mar 21 18:18:48 right click, settings (or whatever it is) Mar 21 18:19:24 ok 1 min Mar 21 18:26:23 tbr:you have installed the debian version without node,apache etc.. Mar 21 18:26:53 I not need "X's" Mar 21 18:28:07 tbr: Mar 21 18:28:33 tbr: It has an IPv4 address assigned. Yes it is DHCP Mar 21 18:29:20 yrj: what is the address assigned? Mar 21 18:30:12 salaet: then you still haven't read and understood that wiki page I pointed you to. It provides just that. Mar 21 18:30:21 where explain the content of images? Mar 21 18:30:38 raw it's? Mar 21 18:30:59 it says "console" Mar 21 18:31:11 192.168.7.1(Preferred) Mar 21 18:31:20 I need to adjust my glasses Mar 21 18:31:22 this is the IP address Mar 21 18:31:45 'DHCP is 192.168.7.2 Mar 21 18:32:05 yrj: ok, and your browser still can't open the page http://192.168.7.2 ? Mar 21 18:33:02 i will check Mar 21 18:33:17 tbr: it's demo image Mar 21 18:33:27 sorry but I doesn't know Mar 21 18:33:33 salaet: so? Mar 21 18:33:47 tbr: no it still can't open Mar 21 18:34:01 yrj: do you have a proxy configured in your browser for some reason? Mar 21 18:34:42 i think no...but let me still check it again Mar 21 18:36:50 tbr: last question , this image in /lib/firmware/ has all dbs dbto etc... Mar 21 18:37:11 salaet: I have no idea Mar 21 18:37:11 if your answeer is yes I go to flash Mar 21 18:37:18 buff Mar 21 18:37:28 ok Mar 21 18:37:47 tbr: no i dont have a proxy configured in my browser Mar 21 18:38:11 yrj: do you run a firewall on your PC? Mar 21 18:39:18 checking tbr Mar 21 18:40:04 yes the firewall is on Mar 21 18:41:42 tbr: yes the firewall is on Mar 21 18:41:46 yrj: try without? Mar 21 18:41:53 Tbr: i tried without it Mar 21 18:41:59 still not working Mar 21 18:42:16 yrj: do you have putty or another SSH client installed? Mar 21 18:42:17 after turning the firewall off should i restart my pc Mar 21 18:43:35 tbr:let me check Mar 21 18:47:18 tbr: after turning off the firewall should i restart the system? Mar 21 18:47:26 no SSH client installed Mar 21 18:47:52 yrj: get putty Mar 21 18:48:08 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html Mar 21 18:49:23 tbr: ok Mar 21 18:55:29 tbr: got the login on putty Mar 21 18:55:34 logged in Mar 21 18:55:51 yrj: ok Mar 21 18:55:53 uding ubuntu as username and temppwd as paassword Mar 21 18:56:00 thank you so much Mar 21 18:56:14 yrj: you could try to run this: "netstat -altpn|grep 80" Mar 21 18:56:24 that will tell you if the webserver is running Mar 21 19:03:33 tbr: ubuntu@arm:~$ netstat -altpn|grep 80 (No info could be read for "-p": geteuid()=1000 but you should be root.) tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN - Mar 21 19:03:54 this is what i got Mar 21 19:04:49 the output is mangled, but it looks like the webserver IS there and listening Mar 21 19:05:08 you might want to try with a different browser or such Mar 21 19:05:31 but the problem is certainly NOT the BBB and its usb connection Mar 21 19:06:40 this is ssh connection.. so will it run from the browser? Mar 21 19:06:52 tbr:this is ssh connection.. so will it run from the browser? Mar 21 19:07:33 yrj: it's something on your PC, either firewall or browser. You'll need to find the problem yourself and fix it. Mar 21 19:07:52 ok thank you Mar 21 19:07:52 yrj: I'd suggest to try a different browser like firefox, opera or chrome Mar 21 19:09:29 i am using chrome Mar 21 19:09:34 right now Mar 21 19:09:51 anyone have the BBB case from laser goodies? I can't peel the paper coating off to save my life Mar 21 19:11:07 protective $foo is always a b*tch to peel off :) Mar 21 19:11:58 yeah no kidding Mar 21 19:12:49 the paper came off my dogbone thing from ada without too much pain Mar 21 19:13:28 but have you tried soaking a bit in water to see if it helps? Mar 21 19:14:10 that's a good idea pjustice, I'll try that Mar 21 19:17:15 tbr : i am trying with firefox Mar 21 19:19:07 i made a case for my BBB from a cigarette packet. it hasn't overheated yet. will it? Mar 21 19:19:30 <_av500_> how many cigarettes still inside? Mar 21 19:19:34 <_av500_> filters? Mar 21 19:19:36 zero Mar 21 19:19:38 JFK911: I doubt you'll manage to light your fags with it Mar 21 19:20:09 _av500_: typical camel filters packet Mar 21 19:20:35 <_av500_> fine Mar 21 19:21:07 sounds a lot like av500's pandaborad case Mar 21 22:19:01 Still no BBBs in sight?! I need more toys :-) Mar 21 22:28:44 go order and wait. Like everyone else ... Mar 21 22:29:08 you guys have to wait? haha. Mar 21 22:29:24 I got mine here :p Mar 21 22:29:39 most places have a supply crisis though Mar 21 22:40:43 mines sitting on top of my monitor in front of me :) Mar 21 22:41:15 I don't have one. Mar 21 22:41:37 just killed ethernet on mine.. oops lol Mar 21 22:41:49 lol how did you manage that? Mar 21 22:42:13 took it out of boot-config Mar 21 22:42:21 im expecting to let the magic smoke out of mine any time soon..... im playing with the gpio's Mar 21 22:42:32 oh, so only software killed.... not so bad then Mar 21 22:42:33 ooo yup lol Mar 21 22:42:37 yea :) Mar 21 22:43:50 im trying to run thermometers, light sensors and relay boards off mine while also disabling the onboard emmc and hdmi......... Mar 21 22:43:59 * Dan1 predicts magic smoke Mar 21 22:48:35 cool Mar 21 23:08:21 ah just remembered I sitll have a debian uSD I can boot and fix the config :D w00t Mar 21 23:08:52 have to flash the eMMC somehow .... :D Mar 21 23:21:05 hi all Mar 21 23:21:18 where can i buy the beaglebone black ? Mar 21 23:21:34 i can't find a retailer who can ship to me in usa. Mar 21 23:21:39 any clues? Mar 21 23:22:38 nothing on the beaglebone site?! Mar 21 23:22:48 I find that hard to believe .. since they're made in TX :P Mar 21 23:23:01 and mine's just been shipped UK->US and back :p Mar 21 23:23:33 nothing on the site.. every one is out of stock and requiring 20-26 week lead time . Mar 21 23:23:45 yeah thats just how it is Mar 21 23:23:58 but 20 weeks is a bit mad Mar 21 23:24:07 tried mouser and digikey? Mar 21 23:24:19 both does not have in stock . Mar 21 23:25:11 well shit lol Mar 21 23:25:26 stock has not outpaced demand Mar 21 23:25:28 I'm sure production is still going .. but its limited supply Mar 21 23:25:41 no .. they cannot increase production at circuitco Mar 21 23:25:52 and they won't farm it out Mar 21 23:26:01 unlike the Pi .. *mutters* Mar 22 00:31:01 which is the recommended cross-compiler for BBB ? Mar 22 00:31:19 I use linaro Mar 22 00:31:33 i was using the angstrom one Mar 22 00:53:22 is there an easy way to change the boot sequence to that it will try the SD card even if the user button is not pressed? like something I could add to the uEnv.txt on the eMMC? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 22 02:59:59 2014