**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 03 02:59:59 2014
Apr 03 07:38:37 * N3wbs is back (gone 15:28:10)
Apr 03 07:39:27 <LetoThe2nd> N3wbs: <hint>auto-away messages in a tech irc channel will make you look like a scriptkiddie</hint>
Apr 03 07:40:16 <KotH> N3wbs: <hint>auto-away messages in a tech irc channel makes you look like a scriptkiddie</hint>
Apr 03 07:41:19 <jack> hi
Apr 03 07:41:27 <N3wbs> LetoThe2nd, KotH - Roger that
Apr 03 07:41:40 <Guest99938> i have a problem with connection beagle bone
Apr 03 07:42:04 <Guest99938> can you help me
Apr 03 07:42:27 <LetoThe2nd> no, as you have not given a remotely meaning problem description
Apr 03 07:42:51 <LetoThe2nd> *meaningful
Apr 03 07:43:02 <Dan2> its ok, i got this one
Apr 03 07:43:14 * Dan2 gets out crystal ball 
Apr 03 07:43:18 <Guest99938> i have windows 7
Apr 03 07:43:25 <Dan2> Guest99938: the answer is 42
Apr 03 08:03:36 <KotH> Dan2: you scared him!
Apr 03 08:03:59 <Dan2> nah, i just answered his question and needed nothing more from us :D
Apr 03 08:04:09 <Dan2> my crystal ball almost never lies
Apr 03 10:22:19 <pablognu> hi
Apr 03 10:22:46 <pablognu> anyone know if the beaglebone black can power supply from the gpio
Apr 03 10:23:55 <jacekowski> yes
Apr 03 10:25:09 <Dan2> you just have to ensure you use the correct pins and the correct polarity
Apr 03 10:29:19 <av500> not from the GPIO
Apr 03 10:29:25 <av500> but there are power pins on the connector
Apr 03 10:30:19 <Dan2> err... well yea, that.... but thats what i assumed they meant
Apr 03 10:30:36 <Dan2> if they dont already know that... then id just be answering "no YOU cant"
Apr 03 10:50:13 <KotH> Dan2: always assume that people who enter #beagle dont know shit about electronics
Apr 03 10:50:33 <KotH> Dan2: and always assume worst case scenario when answering questions
Apr 03 10:50:35 <Dan2> hehe yer i should have realised that by now
Apr 03 10:51:06 <Dan2> i did say you have to use the correct pins for it tho.... so i was mostly sorta a bit correct
Apr 03 10:51:24 <KotH> Dan2: $n00b will not know what that means
Apr 03 12:24:41 <milT> hi, whould u plz help me put my bbb in sleep mode. when i try to write standby in  /sys/power/state then i get -sh: echo: write error: No such device
Apr 03 12:26:41 <KotH> milT: what does your research tell you so far?
Apr 03 12:27:24 <milT> i'm using anstrom i think it's driver issue am i right?
Apr 03 12:28:45 <milT> edit : angstrom
Apr 03 12:31:17 <milT> any tips?
Apr 03 12:32:50 <KotH> yes, first check whether the file you are trying to use actually exists
Apr 03 12:48:12 <vicash> hello BBB folks. i am trying to use a touchscreen by 4Dsystems on the BBB and there are these programs ts_test and ts_print etc that allow me to touch the screen and print the coordinates (i guess) on the screen. How do I get my application to use the touchscreen as a mouse ?
Apr 03 12:48:24 <vicash> is there a tslib somewhere that I can use with a reference ?
Apr 03 12:48:37 <KotH> there is The Tslib
Apr 03 12:48:42 <KotH> and you are already using it
Apr 03 12:49:00 <KotH> ts_* are support applications from that library
Apr 03 12:49:14 <vicash> KotH: is it a library or just a bunch of applications ? I have a perl script that creates an NCurses GUI and would love it if I can add the touchscreen support.
Apr 03 12:50:10 <KotH> vicash: use google
Apr 03 12:50:34 <vicash> ok
Apr 03 12:56:33 <KotH> milT: DO NOT SEND PRIVATE MESSAGE UNLESS SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO
Apr 03 12:56:40 <KotH> milT: it's considered extremely rude
Apr 03 12:56:52 <KotH> milT: and it prevents other people from helping you
Apr 03 12:57:00 <Dan2> hehe
Apr 03 12:57:08 <Dan2> you gotta admirer ;)
Apr 03 12:58:31 <milT> KOTH no one else seemed to help, so if u don't wanna help do not take it as rude'
Apr 03 12:58:57 <KotH> milT: well...considering that you are not providing any information
Apr 03 12:59:19 <KotH> milT: read www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Apr 03 12:59:27 <milT> so u could tell this earlier not now.
Apr 03 12:59:34 <KotH> er..
Apr 03 12:59:39 <KotH> have you read the topic?
Apr 03 12:59:41 <milT> so u don't know the problem
Apr 03 12:59:46 <KotH> have you had a look at the first link in there?
Apr 03 13:00:04 <vicash> KotH: milT is busy typing by looking at the keyboard instead of the screen
Apr 03 13:00:17 <KotH> of course i have no clue what your problem is, because i DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND I AM NO PSYCHIC
Apr 03 13:00:26 <milT> so u should read smart-answers
Apr 03 13:00:32 <KotH> *plonk*
Apr 03 13:00:57 <milT> stop spamming and let other post their questions
Apr 03 13:02:42 <pwillard> \o/
Apr 03 13:03:09 <KotH> learn: insulting an op is always a bad idea ;)
Apr 03 14:35:46 <teralaser> Did anyone experiment with making the A10 NRESETIN_OUT longer in time ?
Apr 03 14:35:57 <teralaser> (on the AM335x)
Apr 03 14:36:25 <teralaser> there is a timer RSTTIME1, but it seems you can't make it longer than ~10uS
Apr 03 14:42:27 <pjustice> you could presumably build a little pulse stretcher circuit if you need a longer pulse for something external
Apr 03 14:44:31 <teralaser> uh, a HARDWARE change ?
Apr 03 14:44:40 <teralaser> I just shipped my hardware changes
Apr 03 15:05:03 <pjwl> Hello
Apr 03 15:05:22 <FUN_> pjwl: hi
Apr 03 15:05:42 <pjwl> I would like to know if it is possible to disable hte internal eMMC from the beaglebone black, I would like to add an external NAND flash
Apr 03 15:11:02 <FUN_> maybe u can use e
Apr 03 15:11:16 <FUN_> emmc as boot rom
Apr 03 15:11:23 <FUN_> and put kernel in nand?
Apr 03 15:14:30 <FUN_> pjwl: if u r intension is to make new 'beaglebone grey' with nand flash.... try looking at beagleboard-xm
Apr 03 15:15:00 <FUN_> beagleboard has nand flash
Apr 03 15:15:28 <pjwl> FUN_: Thanks for the reply, the BeagleBone Black is us as developing kit and we will make are own PCB.
Apr 03 15:15:29 <FUN_> but the processor is omap3
Apr 03 15:16:24 <FUN_> pjwl: so u r designing beaglebone cape?
Apr 03 15:16:31 <pjwl> with the same processes AM335x, but we gonna use the SDK of Ti. Now I could run the TI linux on external SD card, but not getting worked on the eMMC
Apr 03 15:17:05 <pjwl> therefore an NAND flash(8 bit from Hynix) is the idea
Apr 03 15:18:28 <FUN_> pjwl: angstrom linux works well with emmc as well as debian linux
Apr 03 15:19:18 <FUN_> I was able to flash angstrom linux image and u-boot onto emmc
Apr 03 15:19:27 <pjwl> that is true and Debian sounds very good, but is the support and can I compile the kernel self?
Apr 03 15:20:57 <FUN_> pjwl: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Flasher
Apr 03 15:21:16 <pjwl> Thanks for you anwser FUN_
Apr 03 15:22:04 <pjwl> By
Apr 03 15:22:16 <FUN_> :)
Apr 03 16:35:51 <darkmatter__> my BBB tries to boot off the SDCard every time when it is in. I don't have an OS on it so it won't boot. The docs say the default behavior is to boot from sdcard only when the button is pressed. Any thoughts?
Apr 03 16:37:13 <vagrantc> does it boot from the eMMC when there is no card?
Apr 03 16:37:24 <darkmatter__> no
Apr 03 16:37:32 <vagrantc> a missing or corrupted MLO on the eMMC would cause that...
Apr 03 16:37:33 <darkmatter__> When I remove the card it works as expected
Apr 03 16:37:52 <vagrantc> what's expected?
Apr 03 16:38:24 <darkmatter__> good point. it boots into angstrom off the internal sd
Apr 03 16:38:26 * vagrantc would expect it to boot from eMMC
Apr 03 16:38:32 * vagrantc nods
Apr 03 16:38:55 <vagrantc> ok, so probably not a corrupted MLO
Apr 03 16:40:36 <darkmatter__> I read somewhere that if you put a 10k resistor between p9.44 and p8.43 it will always boot off the micro SD card slot
Apr 03 16:40:43 <darkmatter__> perhaps mine is wired that way from factory?
Apr 03 16:43:35 <LetoThe2nd> hehe, certainly not
Apr 03 16:45:43 <darkmatter__> I guess I could use the eMMC as the default boot device
Apr 03 16:46:06 <darkmatter__> anybody try a dd from internal to external and get it work ?
Apr 03 16:46:12 <darkmatter__> on a live system
Apr 03 16:46:20 <darkmatter__> *live BBB
Apr 03 16:46:41 <tbr> btw: in older configurations it used to be so that U-Boot found the SD-card and then tried to boot from it
Apr 03 16:47:13 <tbr> which means that ROMBL properly booted into U-Boot from eMMC, but then that picked up the SD-card
Apr 03 16:47:20 <darkmatter__> I did buy mine off ebay, so they could be older
Apr 03 16:48:00 <tbr> simple, reflash with latest image
Apr 03 16:49:01 <darkmatter__> ok I will try that
Apr 03 17:49:45 <chris711> has anyone created or used bbb as a web server gui with rule to output control of GPIO?
Apr 03 17:50:30 <tbr> chris711: isn't that what the default cloud9 essentially does?
Apr 03 17:51:45 <veremit> have a look at webiopi .. python front end for pi gpios .. :p
Apr 03 17:53:44 <chris711> pi does not have the i/o's that bbb has and the gui of pi is not grandma friendly
Apr 03 17:54:03 <veremit> nothing ARM is gma friendly :p
Apr 03 17:57:00 <chris711> veremit: my goal is a gui that is gma friendly, simple icons and simple display
Apr 03 17:58:03 <veremit> well thats all HMI ..
Apr 03 17:58:24 <veremit> (human-machine-interface)
Apr 03 17:58:54 <nyt-> you could... make one
Apr 03 17:59:45 <chris711> my thoughts were a web based page that interfaced to the gpio, this way the gui could look like anything if its coded as a web page
Apr 03 19:17:32 <m_billybob2> chris711> has anyone created or used bbb as a web server gui with rule to output control of GPIO? <---- Not yet but have had plans to do this for a while now
Apr 03 19:17:46 <m_billybob2> Nodejs . . .
Apr 03 19:46:30 <Leon23> Just got the BBB, disabled driver signature enforcement, installed the 64 bit drivers but cant find the board. Suggestions? (win8.1 + BBB)
Apr 03 19:47:12 <FUN_> 64bit driver on a 32bit machine?
Apr 03 19:47:38 <Leon23> no, 64 bit drivers on 64 bit machine..
Apr 03 19:48:28 <Leon23> I might have installed the drivers before disabling the driver signature enforcement, is there any way to uninstall the drivers and try again or so perhaps?
Apr 03 19:48:56 <FUN_> what driver? ftdi driver?
Apr 03 19:49:48 <tbr> once that's done it should just work
Apr 03 19:50:12 <Leon23> https://github.com/beagleboard/beaglebone-getting-started/tree/master/Drivers/Windows (Bone_D64.exe), (I guess these are the FTDI drivers)
Apr 03 19:50:48 <Leon23> yeah..
Apr 03 19:51:10 <FUN_> bbb don't have ftdi chip
Apr 03 19:51:35 <FUN_> u need an external ftdi chip
Apr 03 19:53:11 <tbr> it might be called ftdi, although it's really just a CDC-ACM driver
Apr 03 19:53:20 <tbr> this is confusing
Apr 03 19:54:01 <veremit> if you just want to connect over usb .. the gadget interface should work .. no need for external ftdi
Apr 03 19:54:36 <veremit> if you want to connect to the debug header .. I recommend the usb debug cables :)
Apr 03 19:55:04 <veremit> I was using a 'propellor plug' we already had in the test leads drawer with a custom header :)
Apr 03 19:56:00 <Leon23> just got the package so I just want to make sure that the HW is working as supposed to
Apr 03 19:56:24 <Leon23> the documentation seems to say that it should be plug the usb cord, install the drivers and skip to step 3
Apr 03 19:56:41 <FUN_> Leon23: you need UART->USB conversion then use terminal program
Apr 03 19:56:47 <veremit> pretty much flies out the box in windows
Apr 03 19:56:52 <FUN_> usb is for the power
Apr 03 19:57:40 <FUN_> microUSB
Apr 03 19:59:51 <Leon23> isn't the USB->UART conversion made by the FT232 FTDI chip? And these are the drivers that i'm having some issues to install
Apr 03 19:59:54 <tbr> FUN_: gadget modules provide a virtual serial port over USB
Apr 03 20:00:30 <FUN_> tbr: what's gadget modules?
Apr 03 20:03:29 <tbr> FUN_: g_serial, g_ether and friends
Apr 03 20:04:28 <veremit> used to be installed and configured out-the-box in the angstrom distro it ships with
Apr 03 20:04:46 <FUN_> tbr: I don't know what that product is
Apr 03 20:04:51 <veremit> even with zeroconf too
Apr 03 20:05:15 <veremit> should be able to plug the USB in, board powers up, connect to it on 192.168.7.2 ?
Apr 03 20:05:22 <veremit> ssh and web
Apr 03 20:05:26 <veremit> iirc
Apr 03 20:07:10 <Leon23> yeah tried to reach 192.168.7.2 in chrome but did not work, thought it had to do with the drivers
Apr 03 20:07:38 <Leon23> at least the led's indicate power and heartbeat
Apr 03 20:07:45 <tbr> Leon23: le'ts start from the basics, do the leds light up?
Apr 03 20:07:53 <tbr> ok
Apr 03 20:08:15 <veremit> hmm I thought it just fired up .. but I jhaven't tried in windoze I'll admit .. linux is slightly more tricky
Apr 03 20:08:21 <veremit> brb
Apr 03 20:08:32 <Leon23> thanks ;-)
Apr 03 20:08:47 <tbr> Leon23: as you say you installed the drivers according to instructions, did you reboot board and your PC yet?
Apr 03 20:09:02 <Leon23> I do have experience with microcontrollers, pic, avr, infineon, arduino (atmega328) ..
Apr 03 20:09:59 <Leon23> yes, but I do want to add that I first installed the drivers without turning off the signature, and when that didn't work, that was when I began troubleshooting
Apr 03 20:10:31 <tbr> basically if you got things right the board should appear as: a) usb drive b) network card c) serial port adapter
Apr 03 20:10:59 <tbr> check the system management console if b and c happened
Apr 03 20:11:07 <Leon23> yep, I checked the device manager but nothing changes while un/plugging the board
Apr 03 20:11:19 <Leon23> I can try again, 2 sec
Apr 03 20:11:48 <tbr> the devices won't show up until the board is fully booted, takes 5-30s usually
Apr 03 20:13:30 <Leon23> does not seem to be any activity in the device manager (1min)
Apr 03 20:14:02 <tbr> did the drive show up in explorer?
Apr 03 20:15:15 <Leon23> do you mean the popup in the taskbar? if so, no activity
Apr 03 20:17:12 <veremit> I suspect windows thinks it can ignore it
Apr 03 20:17:27 <veremit> might have to reboot or look for 'hidden devices' or try safe mode
Apr 03 20:17:35 <Leon23> does it perhaps interfere with the FTDI drivers I had installed for the arduino?
Apr 03 20:17:55 <Leon23> ok
Apr 03 20:17:58 <veremit> shouldn't . I've got ftdi for several devices on this machine
Apr 03 20:18:37 <Leon23> ok ok, usually unknown devices are shown with (?), need to see how they are shown in win8.1
Apr 03 20:19:44 <veremit> .. but this is (good old) XP
Apr 03 20:20:08 <FUN_> Leon23: BBB does not have FTDI, but am335x chip has USB port
Apr 03 20:20:53 <Leon23> I miss the win7/xp :-)
Apr 03 20:21:12 <Leon23> oh, sorry for the confusion
Apr 03 20:21:29 <FUN_> I stopped using ms-win since xp
Apr 03 20:21:59 <veremit> I gotta buy 7 sometime :/
Apr 03 20:22:16 <Leon23> I got my licence(s) from uni
Apr 03 20:22:24 <veremit> ideal :)
Apr 03 20:22:53 <Leon23> not paying the staff at microsoft :-)
Apr 03 20:23:08 <Leon23> well I wonder what could be wrong then, getting out of suggestions,
Apr 03 20:23:10 <veremit> yea no kiddin
Apr 03 20:23:40 <Leon23> worst case I can try with win7 at work, but it would make me happy to get it running tonight :-)
Apr 03 20:23:55 <FUN_> try linux :-)
Apr 03 20:24:09 <Leon23> what are you guys using the bb for? do you have BBB or standard version?
Apr 03 20:24:11 <veremit> gotta force windoze to re-detect the bbb
Apr 03 20:24:22 <veremit> then you'll be fine ..
Apr 03 20:24:49 <veremit> FUN .. thats ok as long as you have USB networking compiled into your kernel :)
Apr 03 20:26:28 <FUN_> I don't use angstrom...
Apr 03 20:26:39 <veremit> on the beagle?
Apr 03 20:26:48 <FUN_> bbb
Apr 03 20:26:51 <veremit> nor do I ..
Apr 03 20:26:56 <veremit> put debian on mine
Apr 03 20:27:04 <FUN_> m2
Apr 03 20:27:09 <FUN_> me2
Apr 03 20:27:26 <Leon23> gonna try some reboot and stuff, thanks anyways for your effort
Apr 03 20:27:36 <Leon23> take care from sweden :-)
Apr 03 20:27:50 <veremit> its a ton better than my Pi for a usb hdd nas [ok only -just- by definition]
Apr 03 20:28:02 <veremit> g/l leon
Apr 03 20:30:28 * nyt- sighs
Apr 03 20:30:53 <nyt-> it would be awesome if those responsible for patches in the kernel actually took care to test that they dont break things first, and then actually fix it when reported instead of ignoring it and trying to pawn it off
Apr 03 20:31:41 <veremit> usb?
Apr 03 20:31:50 <nyt-> adc
Apr 03 20:32:28 <veremit> its probbaly very processor-specific .. so you gotta rely on the likes of rcn-ee / etc to write patches to Fix the breakages
Apr 03 20:33:11 <veremit> still too reliant on linus holding the strings on the kernel
Apr 03 20:33:23 <nyt-> has nothing to do with tht
Apr 03 20:33:24 <veremit> who knows whats gonna happen when he disappears!
Apr 03 20:33:39 <nyt-> specific patch included for bbb in the rcn distro thats breaking it
Apr 03 20:34:01 <veremit> ah
Apr 03 20:34:12 <veremit> need to track him down then . he usually visits here
Apr 03 20:34:46 <vagrantc> so you remove the patch and it works? what else breaks?
Apr 03 20:35:08 <nyt-> it was for continuous polling of the adc, which breaks standard polling
Apr 03 20:35:23 <nyt-> i'd link you the thread discussing it but the iio mailing list that was erroneously cc'd by zubair, who included the patch, is not responding
Apr 03 20:39:22 <mamar59> Bonsoir ya t il des Français?
Apr 03 20:44:53 <nyt-> http://marc.info/?t=139623876200001&r=1&w=2 that's the thread zubair cc'd to linux-iio for some reason
Apr 03 20:44:58 <nyt-> though it was his own patch causing the trouble
Apr 03 20:45:29 <nyt-> poked him again
Apr 03 20:45:35 <nyt-> will see if it helps
Apr 03 20:53:29 <wlalele> hello world!
Apr 04 00:18:26 <scorpius> circuitco does ignore me. where can I get customized BBB manufactured?
Apr 04 00:19:39 <veremit> how many do you want to order?
Apr 04 00:20:00 <veremit> who did you contact?
Apr 04 00:20:01 <scorpius> may be a problem: just one
Apr 04 00:20:09 <veremit> yea not gonna happen :)
Apr 04 00:21:42 <scorpius> but why is my idea not attractive: a slim version of the BBB. the board-to-board connectors replace with low profile ones, such as found in my laptop, no bulky ethernet jack,...
Apr 04 00:21:50 <scorpius> just 5mm in total height
Apr 04 00:22:40 <veremit> its not as accessible to work with
Apr 04 00:22:57 <veremit> if you want a low-profile card .. look at EDM modules
Apr 04 00:23:06 <scorpius> bulky ethernet jack replaced with a wifi module
Apr 04 00:23:44 <scorpius> then a cape with other goodies. the cape also 5mm total height
Apr 04 00:23:59 <veremit> wifi is expensive and frequently problematic
Apr 04 00:24:16 <scorpius> a LTE module
Apr 04 00:25:03 <scorpius> a screen, a battery, and ready is the mobile internet device, the size of say a galaxy note
Apr 04 00:25:08 <veremit> I think you're looking for something entirely different to the beagle/pi/wand/etc platforms .. and I don't doubt it exists .. but definitely not at that premium price point
Apr 04 00:25:19 <veremit> But
Apr 04 00:25:28 <veremit> if you want a Note .. get a note.
Apr 04 00:25:30 <veremit> :p
Apr 04 00:25:40 <scorpius> no. want open-hardware
Apr 04 00:25:41 <veremit> there's a reason its $500
Apr 04 00:25:54 <veremit> not $50 lol
Apr 04 00:26:58 <scorpius> other question. the BBB as it currently is, does it require any closed source drivers? for the GPU? other components?
Apr 04 00:28:24 <veremit> I don't think there's any proprietary firmware .. that I can think of.
Apr 04 00:28:55 <scorpius> good
Apr 04 00:30:22 <cokeandreeses> has anyone encountered a video errer when flashing debian to beaglebone black?  i start it then it brings up the logon but cuts out after a couple seconds.
Apr 04 00:34:01 <veremit> which debian image you using?
Apr 04 00:34:19 <veremit> I've had no problems with the instructions at eewiki.net for the BBB
Apr 04 00:34:32 <veremit> but thats building from scratch
Apr 04 00:37:31 <cokeandreeses> i used Debian (BeagleBone Black - 2GB eMMC) 2014-03-27  from the beagleboard website
Apr 04 00:41:44 <veremit> cool .. will have to try that sometime .. I hear its gonna take over from angstrom sooner or later
Apr 04 00:45:43 <cokeandreeses> i downloaded >extracted>image to sd card> then started normal process to flash the board.  it asked for the username and password but before i can get it inputed the tv looses conection to the board.  it acts like it goes though the flashing process and i get the solid user lights but tv still wont reconize the board
Apr 04 00:46:02 <veremit> have you tried wiht a monitor?
Apr 04 00:46:05 <ds2> there are plenty of people besides circuitco that can manufacture variants of the BBB
Apr 04 00:46:28 <veremit> think he left ds2
Apr 04 00:47:54 <cokeandreeses> no the only thing i have where i am right now is a projector. could that cause a problem.  but had no problem with the angstom image
Apr 04 00:49:19 <nyt-> its prob outputting a mode your projector doesnt like
Apr 04 00:49:22 <nyt-> hit ctrl+alt+f1
Apr 04 00:49:25 <nyt-> to go back to text console
Apr 04 01:47:33 <chris711> anyone seen a bbb software to setup webserver/webpage with gui to control gpio?
Apr 04 01:49:00 <ds2> doesn't the nodejs stuff do that?
Apr 04 01:50:21 <chris711> not sure, i have only just ordered my first bbb and wanted to prep as much as i could prior to actual trials
Apr 04 01:50:47 <chris711> i am considering finding a developer to program a rula based page to get it started with gui
Apr 04 01:53:26 <veremit> should be easy enough to do with some ajax
Apr 04 01:55:53 <veremit> bit of json perhaps
Apr 04 01:56:14 <veremit> not a hard project, since I'm assuming you're not looking for fast IOs
Apr 04 02:14:34 <chris711> the trick is finding a developer that has good english and can fully undertsand the project, sourcing freelancer but to no avail thus far
Apr 04 02:49:37 <chris711> any suggestions on great developers out there???
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