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Apr 21 03:00:42 <alex20033> hi
Apr 21 03:01:09 <alex20033> i need some project idea for a final year school project
Apr 21 03:01:33 <alex20033> next year, but have to sibmit idea soon
Apr 21 03:13:33 <Dan1> alex20033: http://bit.ly/1h2vIpK
Apr 21 03:48:59 <antodoms> BBB get damaged really fast... :/ its the 2nd BBB this time for the same project...
Apr 21 03:51:13 <pjustice> quit doing that :)
Apr 21 03:51:29 <antodoms> :P
Apr 21 03:51:48 <antodoms> i never quit ...:P
Apr 21 03:52:14 <antodoms> program for the project is complete.... https://github.com/antodoms/beagle-copter
Apr 21 03:58:07 <antodoms> it will be a great help if someone having a quadcopter and a BBB try my code out and let me know.... I had referred ardupilot code for my project...
Apr 21 06:13:12 <eren_> Hi  all,
Apr 21 06:13:20 <eren_> can someone help me
Apr 21 06:13:22 <eren_> ?
Apr 21 06:13:55 <eren_> do you know what does .hp file mean in pru programing?
Apr 21 08:26:47 <zump> Im having an issue with BBB. Sometimes when i sudo reboot the BBB gets stuck in u-boot and doesnt boot up. When I go to serial console, I see u-boot prompt. I then type 'boot' and it boots up jjust fine. Any idea whats going on
Apr 21 08:27:28 <zezinho_> Bonjour il y a des français?
Apr 21 08:27:57 <tbr> channel language is english
Apr 21 08:28:35 <tbr> zump: anything before the uboot prompt?
Apr 21 08:29:03 <zump> tbr: havent been able to see. Its in a remote location and i only login when its hung
Apr 21 08:29:11 <zump> but it doesnt happen all the time :(
Apr 21 08:29:51 <tbr> zump: I think it could help if you'd catch the uboot output of such a hang
Apr 21 08:30:16 <zump> guess ill hav to keep rebooting till it happens then
Apr 21 08:30:18 <zump> while being there
Apr 21 08:31:24 <tbr> yeah
Apr 21 08:31:37 <tbr> you could ask on the mailing list if people observed this behaviour
Apr 21 08:31:57 <tbr> ofc it would be important to mention the version and where that uboot came from
Apr 21 10:00:29 <johnwalkr> I did this modification for 2 usb hosts: http://www.tuicool.com/articles/NNRFvi
Apr 21 10:01:03 <johnwalkr> after recompiling the kernel, desg says 2 usb hosts, but the second one doesn’t actually work. having trouble figuring out what is wrong
Apr 21 13:15:32 <eren_> is there any person here?
Apr 21 13:15:47 <alan_o> you're a person
Apr 21 13:16:05 <eren_> i know i want to ask a  question
Apr 21 13:16:18 <eren_> beacuse bbb  forum is so empty
Apr 21 13:16:33 <eren_> can you help me?
Apr 21 13:17:43 * XorA denies being a person or here
Apr 21 13:18:11 <eren_> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/beagleboard/beaglebone-black/YX-cneWLWZQ
Apr 21 13:18:20 <eren_> pls look this topic
Apr 21 13:18:42 <eren_> i have spent too many days and i need help in this section
Apr 21 13:19:47 <eren_> I don't know why support of BBB is terrible?
Apr 21 13:20:25 * XorA has never used PRU
Apr 21 13:20:52 <mistawright> eren_, im right there with you. I havent even been able to start messing with the programming side of things because I cant quite grasp the overlay.
Apr 21 13:24:06 <eren_> ohh , I see . As i see, a few people use PRU for that reason i couldn't any helpful article or support
Apr 21 13:24:10 <eren_> thanks a lot
Apr 21 14:25:18 <aleandros> Hi everyone!
Apr 21 14:25:59 <aleandros> Does anyone know which mode does the BeagleBone Black' SPI operates on (0,1,2,3)?
Apr 21 14:47:02 <balazsbela> ArchLinux doesn't recognize my beagle, the cable is fine, the heartbeat led is blinking
Apr 21 14:47:27 <balazsbela> but it doesn't show up in lsusb
Apr 21 14:47:42 <balazsbela> flashed the latest image
Apr 21 14:47:47 <balazsbela> on the emc
Apr 21 14:48:43 <balazsbela> I used this: https://s3.amazonaws.com/angstrom/demo/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.09.04.img.xz
Apr 21 14:48:49 <balazsbela> should I try the Debian one ?
Apr 21 14:50:07 <balazsbela> I just dd-d it on an sdcard and held the boot switch to flash it.
Apr 21 14:50:24 <balazsbela> But I can't access http://192.168.7.2
Apr 21 14:50:33 <balazsbela> is it waiting for input ? I don
Apr 21 14:50:42 <Luke-Jr> Beagle uses some Windows-specific RNDIS nonsense
Apr 21 14:50:44 <balazsbela> I don't have an hdmi monitor connected and I have no way of seeing it.
Apr 21 14:51:03 <Luke-Jr> to get it to work on Linux you need the rndis_host module
Apr 21 14:51:13 <Luke-Jr> and then DHCP on the interface it provides
Apr 21 14:53:27 <balazsbela> no interface came up when I loaded the module
Apr 21 14:53:43 <balazsbela> sudo modprobe rndis_host, right ? and then it should show up in ifconfig -a ?
Apr 21 14:53:52 <balazsbela> isn't it weird that I see no device in lsusb ?
Apr 21 14:54:13 <balazsbela> also it doesn't work under windows 7 either, maybe dd-ing the image wasn't enough ?
Apr 21 14:55:27 <balazsbela> Luke-Jr: I have a power supply connected and everything, does angstrom wait for input by default or is that RNDS thingy activated at boot ?
Apr 21 14:57:39 <balazsbela> I ran the mkudevrules.sh
Apr 21 15:05:16 <balazsbela> Hmm, does anyone know about this? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/oTZ9shyNn1Y
Apr 21 15:06:38 <nyt-> <aleandros> Does anyone know which mode does the BeagleBone Black' SPI operates on (0,1,2,3)?
Apr 21 15:06:45 <nyt-> you specify
Apr 21 15:25:05 * nyt- yawns
Apr 21 15:47:28 <nyt-> someone go play with my lib and give feedback hah https://github.com/notnyt/beaglebone
Apr 21 15:49:00 <pjustice> ugh, ruby :)
Apr 21 15:50:33 <nyt-> why ugh ruby?
Apr 21 15:52:31 <nyt-> hm?
Apr 21 15:53:10 <alexanderhiam> nyt-: looks great! glad to see such a complete ruby bb library
Apr 21 16:00:41 <nyt-> pjustice: were you going to clarify?
Apr 21 16:02:11 <capellan> I'm thinking of installing arch ARM on my beaglebone. If I do, will it have SSH running out of the box?
Apr 21 16:16:18 <yoder> Does anyone have experience with using LEDscape to drive a string of adafruit NEOpixels?
Apr 21 16:43:57 <speakman> Hi folks! Anyone got CAN running on Beaglebone Black?
Apr 21 16:45:12 <nyt-> bb supports can?
Apr 21 16:45:46 <speakman> BBB does, yes.
Apr 21 16:46:21 <nyt-> i know it supports spi and i2c
Apr 21 16:46:23 <nyt-> but news to me re: can
Apr 21 16:46:30 <nyt-> cool
Apr 21 16:46:38 <beaglebone> hi all
Apr 21 16:47:08 <speakman> http://www.embedded-things.com/bbb/enable-canbus-on-the-beaglebone-black/
Apr 21 16:47:24 <nyt-> why isnt this publicized more
Apr 21 16:47:27 <beaglebone> how can I run a single application on beaglebone black that automatically starts when I power the beaglebone black
Apr 21 16:47:28 <speakman> Although everything of that seems to work, I do not get any output on the TX pin.
Apr 21 16:47:29 <beaglebone> ???
Apr 21 16:48:05 <nyt-> beaglebone: which distro
Apr 21 16:48:08 <nyt-> what kind of app
Apr 21 16:48:32 <beaglebone> angstrom
Apr 21 16:48:37 <beaglebone> GUI
Apr 21 16:49:05 <beaglebone> C++ application with a GUI that is connected to the internet
Apr 21 16:49:30 <beaglebone> send and receiving data throw this application
Apr 21 16:50:14 <thurgood_> autologin and put a command in .profile to start it
Apr 21 16:51:21 <beaglebone> what is the command I should put it in .profile ??
Apr 21 16:51:36 <beaglebone> sry for these question, but I am new to angstrom
Apr 21 16:51:49 <speakman> Or write an init.d script. What startup system does Angstrom uses?
Apr 21 16:53:10 <beaglebone> speakman actually I don't know. All I know is, it runs on angstrom the latest one
Apr 21 16:53:40 <beaglebone> is much easier to use ubuntu or should I keep this angstrom ??
Apr 21 16:55:30 <prpplague> beaglebone: or you can try the new debian image
Apr 21 16:59:27 <beaglebone> prpplague : How can I run a single application automatically on Debian, is it the same as angstrom ???
Apr 21 17:01:37 <prpplague> beaglebone: there are plenty of examples on the net for setting up an application to start on boot for debian
Apr 21 17:02:57 <alex20032> Where would a raspberrypi/beaglebone/whatever embedded computer would be useful?
Apr 21 17:04:13 <beaglebone> alex20032: you can use embedded hardware to do anything cameras, sensors, robots, even tablets.....etc
Apr 21 17:04:34 <myself> alex20032: search for products people have done using those boards?
Apr 21 17:04:45 <alex20032> I got a beaglebone black, but im trying to find where to use it
Apr 21 17:05:32 <alex20032> Its been 3 month its in its box, collecting dust, because i cant find out what to do with it
Apr 21 17:05:57 <myself> I think you're too dumb to google and you have no business owning embedded hardware.
Apr 21 17:05:57 <aleandros> alex20032: I think the main advantage of a BB is that is a computer with general purpose hardware.
Apr 21 17:06:39 <myself> (I'm taking the role of "saying what everyone else is thinking" lately. It's incredibly fun.)
Apr 21 17:07:06 <beaglebone> alex20032: try google and find projects and you may have a good idea of what you are going to do with the BBB
Apr 21 17:07:12 <aleandros> alex20032: start small. If you're not familiar with hardware, learn basic circuits. Start by monitoring the temperature of your room for example
Apr 21 17:07:39 <alex20032> I am familiar with hardware, assembly, micro controller
Apr 21 17:07:45 <aleandros> alex20032: Check out the Adafruit website, there are some simple tutorials
Apr 21 17:08:20 <alex20032> But its just most of the thing i came accross would be resolved more efficiently would use less energy by using a mcu
Apr 21 17:08:52 <aleandros> alex20032: Mostly yes, but if you know hardware then take advantage of the networking
Apr 21 17:08:58 <alex20032> THe only thing i could find a use with such a beast is for openCV and webserver
Apr 21 17:09:17 <alex20032> well, i mean, any kind of server
Apr 21 17:09:53 <aleandros> alex20032: you can make a data logger for google docs, for example. I also think it is excelenet for making complex systems much more modular, since each piece of functionality can live in its own process
Apr 21 17:10:04 <speakman> What kernel are most suitable for Beaglebone Black currently? What "kernel build" instructions should I use?
Apr 21 17:11:18 <alex20032> beaglebone: Are you an administrator or one of the creator of the beaglebone?
Apr 21 17:11:26 <aleandros> Anyway, I came here to ask, is it possible to configure the BB Black SPI port in a specific mode (0,1,2,3)?
Apr 21 17:12:01 <nyt-> yes
Apr 21 17:12:04 <aleandros> Extra awesomeness if it is possible via the Adafruit python library
Apr 21 17:12:09 <nyt-> probably
Apr 21 17:12:18 <nyt-> https://github.com/notnyt/beaglebone
Apr 21 17:12:21 <nyt-> possible w/ the ruby library i wrote
Apr 21 17:12:25 <nyt-> scroll to bottom, spi example
Apr 21 17:12:37 <nyt-> https://github.com/notnyt/beaglebone
Apr 21 17:12:39 <nyt-> ack
Apr 21 17:12:50 <nyt-> https://github.com/notnyt/beaglebone#mcp3008-example
Apr 21 17:12:51 <nyt-> there
Apr 21 17:13:05 <nyt-> more spi examples right above it
Apr 21 17:13:34 <aleandros> nyt: ruby? extra awesome!
Apr 21 17:14:40 <nyt-> its all documented but if you have any q's ill be around for a few more mins, then again later after dr apt
Apr 21 17:15:15 <aleandros> nyt: thanks! I'll check it out
Apr 21 17:15:54 <beaglebone> alex20032: I am not an adminstrator nor a creater, I came her to ask a question about running  single GUI application automatically immediately after powering the BBB
Apr 21 17:16:06 <nyt-> yeah
Apr 21 17:16:07 <nyt-> you can just
Apr 21 17:16:31 <nyt-> add it to the startup stuff for lxde
Apr 21 17:16:46 <beaglebone> and I found this chat really useful place for asking questions
Apr 21 17:16:48 <nyt-> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
Apr 21 17:16:52 <beaglebone> thnx guys
Apr 21 17:17:19 <beaglebone> thnx nyt-
Apr 21 17:17:22 <nyt-> np
Apr 21 17:22:27 <aleandros> nyt: probably stupid question; does your library work on angstrom?
Apr 21 17:24:35 <nyt-> aleandros: install ruby
Apr 21 17:24:40 <nyt-> then gem install beaglebone
Apr 21 17:24:51 <nyt-> im assuming in angstrom you can opkg install ruby
Apr 21 17:24:52 <nyt-> but
Apr 21 17:24:52 <nyt-> i dunno
Apr 21 17:24:57 <nyt-> (read: upgrade to debian latest image)
Apr 21 17:25:05 <nyt-> angstrom is sadface
Apr 21 17:25:22 <aleandros> haha, ok. Thanks
Apr 21 17:26:10 <nyt-> but yeah you should be able to just opkg install ruby
Apr 21 17:26:15 <nyt-> opkg update first
Apr 21 17:26:39 <nyt-> i know that the latest debian image, everything works nicely, can even run ruby in cloud9
Apr 21 17:27:52 <aleandros> I had a problem when I tried to upgrade to Debian, so I just continued to use Angstrom. Didn't try hard enough I think...
Apr 21 17:28:20 <aleandros> But yeah, I imagine why Debian should work better.
Apr 21 18:00:53 <jabers> im trying to connect to my beaglebone black via a wifi dongle. I have succsfully done this at home where I have a WPA2 personal network but now it is not working at school on an open network. I am using connman and editing a /var/lib/connman/wifi.config directory
Apr 21 18:01:31 <jabers> does anyone know of a helpful tutorial on this subject?
Apr 21 18:02:24 <jabers> usually I simply input a Type, a Name, and a Passphrase but this network does not have a passphrase
Apr 21 18:04:13 <jabers> any ideas?
Apr 21 18:04:34 <nyt-> wicd-curses ;)
Apr 21 18:05:12 <nyt-> or iwconfig wlan0 essid THESSID
Apr 21 18:05:28 <nyt-> iwconfig wlan0 enc none
Apr 21 18:05:43 <nyt-> iwconfig wlan0 key off
Apr 21 18:12:13 <jabers> thanks for the ideas <nyt->. Ill check them out.
Apr 21 18:36:20 <beaglebone> nyt -: how can flash the Debian on EMMC
Apr 21 18:37:19 <beaglebone> nyt -: how can I flash the Debian on EMMC ?? Do I need a specific  Debian image ??
Apr 21 18:38:09 <nyt-> here
Apr 21 18:38:17 <nyt-> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images/
Apr 21 18:38:28 <nyt-> http://debian.beagleboard.org/images/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.4-2014-04-14-2gb.img.xz
Apr 21 18:38:32 <nyt-> thats the latest beaglebone emmc flasher
Apr 21 18:38:42 <nyt-> uncompress, write, let it boot/flash
Apr 21 18:38:44 <nyt-> and youre good to go
Apr 21 18:39:05 <beaglebone> Thnx nyt -
Apr 21 18:39:47 <shawnbon206> nyt-, question :D
Apr 21 18:40:03 <nyt-> shawnbon206: no, its not normal, see a dr
Apr 21 18:41:51 <shawnbon206> when someone says a word beginning with "sha" in a channel i am in, i get a notification. is there any way i can increase that to at least 5 letters?
Apr 21 18:41:58 <shawnbon206> android irc obvious
Apr 21 18:42:00 <shawnbon206> ly
Apr 21 18:42:12 <nyt-> settings -> (somewhere? client bheavior? -> nicmatch string)
Apr 21 18:42:40 <nyt-> brb tho, dr appt lol
Apr 21 18:42:53 <shawnbon206> sorry i didnt see it before. thanks
Apr 21 18:51:42 <rocky|bluevm> yoder: ahoy!
Apr 21 18:52:03 <yoder> Howdy
Apr 21 18:52:17 <rocky|bluevm> *is chris on quadcopter team*
Apr 21 18:52:29 <yoder> That was my guess
Apr 21 18:52:37 <yoder> Is the quad still flying?
Apr 21 18:52:56 <rocky|bluevm> approximately.  We've tuned it a bit better to handle wind, but it's still randomly unstable.
Apr 21 18:53:26 <newBBBie> Hello!
Apr 21 18:53:44 <yoder> Do you think it's close enough for open source?
Apr 21 18:55:00 <rocky|bluevm> There are still things I'd like to do before opening up more.  Like getting real-time sockets.  Right now the realtime bit depends on a non-realtime program for commands from the controller.
Apr 21 18:55:11 <rocky|bluevm> I took it home with me so I could work on it.
Apr 21 18:59:06 <newBBBie> I am a software developer and very interest about arduino technology. But having less ( I/O ) pins I think BBB is very well and I would like to kow if a blinking led coded in arduino can work on BBB without modification?
Apr 21 19:02:02 <johnwalkr> no newBBBie it’s much different
Apr 21 19:02:53 <newBBBie> thanks John_!
Apr 21 19:03:58 <newBBBie> can I know a few difference between them?
Apr 21 19:07:20 <newBBBie> or a BBB tuttorial link for beginers
Apr 21 19:09:53 <rocky|bluevm> bonescript might be a good start
Apr 21 19:09:54 <rocky|bluevm> http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript
Apr 21 19:10:52 <rocky|bluevm> also these excercises on elinux were useful to me getting started: elinux.org/Category:ECE497
Apr 21 19:12:36 <newBBBie> Thanks a lot! I will read these before coming back to ask
Apr 21 19:13:16 <speakman> trying to build a new kernel for Beaglebone Black, but where do I configure the pin muxing?
Apr 21 19:13:33 <rocky|bluevm> pin muxing is separate from building the kernel.
Apr 21 19:15:28 <rocky|bluevm> to configure the pin muxes, use the device tree overlay
Apr 21 19:15:53 <rocky|bluevm> Here's an example: https://learn.adafruit.com/introduction-to-the-beaglebone-black-device-tree/device-tree-overlays
Apr 21 19:17:36 <rocky|bluevm> Also, Derek Molloy has a very useful pdf showing the different pin muxes on each pin, and how to set the pinmux bits: https://github.com/derekmolloy/boneDeviceTree/tree/master/docs
Apr 21 19:19:56 <rocky|bluevm> finally speakman, yoder has a useful script to find what the current state of pinmuxes are called "findGPIO.js" https://github.com/MarkAYoder/BeagleBoard-exercises/tree/master/gpio
Apr 21 19:29:23 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: Thanks for that valueble info! I'm trying to get DCAN1 working but with no luck. I've got the DTS loaded and can0 is up and running, but there is no action at all on the TX pin. :/
Apr 21 19:29:49 <rocky|quadcopter> speakman: do you need to load a kernel module for it to start working?
Apr 21 19:30:11 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: seems like everything is loaded automatically
Apr 21 19:30:51 <speakman> according to lsmod there is many "can" modules loaded; can, can_raw, c_can_platform, c_can, can_dev
Apr 21 19:31:45 <rocky|quadcopter> I suspect you've already found this, but: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/ZP8IxIUqEUI
Apr 21 19:34:05 <rocky|quadcopter> Also, tell me what the output of "cat /sys/device/bone_capemgr.*/slots" is.  Don't forget to use pastiebin instead of pasting it into the chat.
Apr 21 19:36:20 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: http://dpaste.com/1790056/
Apr 21 19:39:04 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: http://dpaste.com/1790057/
Apr 21 19:40:12 <rocky|quadcopter> speakman: that's about what yoder's findGPIO.js does for you btw.  I would use it to make sure all the right features are enabled.  I'm not entirely sure how to interpret the pinmux-pins output.
Apr 21 19:43:08 <rocky|quadcopter> or you might also follow along this tutorial, and make sure your device trees are the same.  http://www.embedded-things.com/bbb/enable-canbus-on-the-beaglebone-black/
Apr 21 19:43:34 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: I can't install Node at the moment. And the code for findGPIO.js doesn't look too sofisticated.
Apr 21 19:43:49 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: that's the tutorial I've been using
Apr 21 19:44:25 <rocky|quadcopter> I just find findGPIO.js very convenient.  I haven't worked with a CAN bus before, so I don't think I'm going to be much more use...
Apr 21 19:50:08 <rocky|quadcopter> speakman: if you do get it working, be sure to post what you did in a few places.
Apr 21 19:50:44 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: Will try to do that, yes.
Apr 21 19:54:59 <speakman> Where do I get a fresh Device Tree Compiler?
Apr 21 19:56:23 <rocky|quadcopter> do you happen to be on debian?
Apr 21 19:56:42 <speakman> it's part of linux kernel...
Apr 21 19:56:49 <speakman> yes, Debian on BBB
Apr 21 19:57:00 <BBB_> hi
Apr 21 19:57:04 <rocky|quadcopter> idk, I made a script to make the dtc on my bone as part of the quadcopter project.
Apr 21 19:57:21 <rocky|quadcopter> https://github.com/Rose-Hulman-ROBO4xx/1314-BeagleBone-Quadcopter/blob/master_rev2/code/i2c_bitbang/pru_sw/devicetree/dtc.sh
Apr 21 19:57:26 <BBB_> can I build a tablet using the beaglebone black with lcd ??
Apr 21 19:57:40 <rocky|quadcopter> BBB_: technically, yes.
Apr 21 19:57:45 <BBB_> lcd touch screen
Apr 21 19:59:21 <BBB_> can I build one application and inside this app, I build multiple applications
Apr 21 19:59:52 <BBB_> where my base application will be the environment for other applications to run
Apr 21 20:00:06 <BBB_> Or how this can be managed ??
Apr 21 20:04:46 <BBB_> rocky|quadcopter : how can I getting started on this ? Any Clues
Apr 21 20:06:34 <rocky|quadcopter> What you're asking isn't very specific.  You should do a lot of research, think about what you've found, and try out some ideas based on your research before asking.
Apr 21 20:08:30 <BBB_> rocky|quadcopter: so far I found a way that I can run only a single app automatically when powering the beaglebone black
Apr 21 20:09:49 <BBB_> rocky|quadcopter : and also made a GUI button that can turn off and I am using the wifi usb with 4 usb expander touchscreen works every thing is working
Apr 21 20:10:33 <BBB_> rocky|quadcopter: my main problem is how to manage and build other different applications, I am using Debian as my tablet will be based on it
Apr 21 20:10:39 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: would you like to try to compile that DTS in the link you posted above? I only get "syntax error" even with a patched dtc.
Apr 21 20:11:30 <rocky|quadcopter> I did it just a week ago...
Apr 21 20:12:02 <speakman> BBB_: I would really suggest you to have a look at OLinuXino at www.olimex.com which has LCD's and touch screens ready for it's Allwinner boards.
Apr 21 20:13:13 <rocky|quadcopter> BBB_: I'm not sure exactly what kind of environment you're trying to create.
Apr 21 20:15:20 <mastiff> is there a way to limit current from the USB host port in software?  BBB with debian.
Apr 21 20:16:06 <rocky|bluevm> not sure what happened, but I seem to have lost my screen with irssi and rocky|quadcopter.
Apr 21 20:16:33 <BBB_> rocky|quadcopter : similar to apple ios environment very simple gui and multiple app
Apr 21 20:17:22 <ZiNC> hi
Apr 21 20:17:24 <rocky|bluevm> BBB_: what programming languages do you know?
Apr 21 20:18:20 <BBB_> C , C++, Objective-C, Java, Python3, PHP, Assembly, VHDL, Verilog
Apr 21 20:18:40 <BBB_> rocky|quadcopter : C , C++, Objective-C, Java, Python3, PHP, Assembly, VHDL, Verilog
Apr 21 20:18:45 <ZiNC> No JS?
Apr 21 20:19:54 <BBB_> ZiNC : Actually JS I don't like it, its not my favorite cup
Apr 21 20:20:21 <ZiNC> Okay.
Apr 21 20:20:46 <rocky|bluevm> BBB_: you should just pick a graphical framework in your langauge of choice then, think about your layout, and start coding.  I don't really get what you're asking for.
Apr 21 20:22:14 <BBB_> rocky|bluevm : I am just trying to build a tablet with a simple GUI that would look similar to apple ios environment with multiple apps running
Apr 21 20:22:42 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: Now I patched it using the dtc.sh script laying around and now I can compile the overlays.
Apr 21 20:22:48 <rocky|bluevm> yay
Apr 21 20:23:46 <speakman> Ok, you didn't see my previous messages :P
Apr 21 20:24:08 <rocky|bluevm> no, I didn't.  My screen disappeared ;_;
Apr 21 20:24:23 <speakman> BBB_: Try build your GUI in Qt and you will make it work on OLinuXino boards in matter of hours.
Apr 21 20:25:54 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: are node.js available on Wheezy?
Apr 21 20:26:15 <rocky|bluevm> No, I had to build it.
Apr 21 20:26:20 <speakman> from wheezy-backports
Apr 21 20:26:24 <rocky|bluevm> oh right
Apr 21 20:26:26 <rocky|bluevm> that's what I did.
Apr 21 20:26:37 <speakman> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/backports.debian.org
Apr 21 20:26:43 <speakman> ok
Apr 21 20:27:18 <BBB_> speakman : I tried that on BBB it works fine, I want to know how can I build GUI environment to run different applications in the same time :D
Apr 21 20:28:24 <rocky|bluevm> BBB_: okay, now you're getting more specific.  I haven't done much gui design though.  I would think you could just execute the programs in the background though.
Apr 21 20:28:38 <rocky|bluevm> sorry if I misunderstood you before.
Apr 21 20:29:04 <rocky|bluevm> haldo mrpackethead.
Apr 21 20:29:32 <BBB_> its ok thnx for help
Apr 21 20:29:46 <speakman> BBB_: You can just spawn new processes using QProcess if you like.
Apr 21 20:31:15 <speakman> BBB_: I'm still very unsure what you're trying to achive. Of course you can make a GUI which just starts other applications (processes) but it sure sounds like you don't really know what you're doing. Sorry. :)
Apr 21 20:31:26 <rocky|bluevm> ^
Apr 21 20:31:52 * nyt- back
Apr 21 20:33:33 <BBB_> speakman : actually I don't know because I never tried it before and also I am new to linux
Apr 21 20:34:10 <rocky|bluevm> BBB_: It sounds like you are trying to make a window manager actually.
Apr 21 20:34:33 <List099> Greetings
Apr 21 20:34:52 <rocky|bluevm> hello
Apr 21 20:35:11 <speakman> And it sort of seems way off this channel ;)
Apr 21 20:35:27 <List099> I don't want to interrupt a convo in process
Apr 21 20:35:44 <rocky|bluevm> List099: just ask your question, we'll manage to figure out who is talking to who ;)
Apr 21 20:36:00 <List099> Thanks
Apr 21 20:36:03 <BBB_> rocky|bluevm : yes a pretty window that has multiple applications
Apr 21 20:36:18 <List099> Just wondering if anyone knows when the Rev C boards will be available?
Apr 21 20:36:46 <rocky|bluevm> BBB_: are you wanting to make this because you aren't satisfied with the current options out there, or for learning, or some other third thing?
Apr 21 20:36:54 <BBB_> rocky|bluevm : when I run or close one of this application I will get back to that window
Apr 21 20:37:33 <List099> Hi JJ
Apr 21 20:38:02 <BBB_> rocky|bluevm : while exiting applications only I return to that pretty window
Apr 21 20:38:14 <rocky|bluevm> BBB_: btw, as speakman hinted, window managers aren't specific to boards or architectures.  Since this question is beyond what the beaglebone specifically can do, I'd search for an appropriate channel for window managers.
Apr 21 20:40:27 <BBB_> rocky|bluevm : Thnx you and thnx to speakman: you both gave me many topics to research for
Apr 21 20:41:45 <rocky|bluevm> BBB_: you also might be more interested in modifying or skinning an existing window manager than starting your own.
Apr 21 20:42:23 <BBB_> rocky|bluevm : of course, this will be a great idea
Apr 21 20:42:56 <BBB_> rocky|bluevm : I will search for open source window manager
Apr 21 20:43:14 <rocky|bluevm> here's a list to get you started.  There are a lot of window managers. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/window_manager#Window_managers
Apr 21 20:43:52 <rocky|bluevm> note that even though it's an arch linux website, you will be able to use most, if not all, of these window managers on any other linux OS
Apr 21 20:44:30 <List099> you just have to *futz* with it a little bit
Apr 21 20:44:52 <BBB_> rocky|bluevm : thnx for that list. it is amazing
Apr 21 20:46:41 <List099> So, might anyone happen to know when the rev. C boards will be available for sale?
Apr 21 20:47:54 <ZiNC> The wiki says shipping 5/5. So in stores a few days afterwards? Assuming there's stock left.
Apr 21 20:48:17 <rocky|bluevm> hah, yeah.  I heard that they've improved their supply though.
Apr 21 20:48:19 <ZiNC> Are you waiting for the 4GB flash?
Apr 21 20:48:32 <List099> so would you advise preordering, then?
Apr 21 20:48:57 <List099> I'm not waiting for the 4GB
Apr 21 20:49:01 <ZiNC> Doesn't hurt. Or at least subscribe to get email alerts.
Apr 21 20:49:19 <List099> Thank you Zinc, much appreciated.
Apr 21 20:50:01 <rocky|bluevm> That board doesn't look half bad!  I see they're using a slightly different CPU and 4GB of flash, are there any other major differences?
Apr 21 20:50:18 <ZiNC> Compared with what?
Apr 21 20:50:25 <rocky|bluevm> the current beaglebone black.
Apr 21 20:51:11 <ZiNC> That's all the wiki mentions.
Apr 21 20:51:23 <ZiNC> Looks like it's going to be +$10, according to SparkFun.
Apr 21 20:53:01 <List099> which wiki are you referencing?
Apr 21 20:53:07 <ZiNC> rocky: CPU changed in previous revision.
Apr 21 20:53:17 <ZiNC> http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack
Apr 21 20:53:19 <List099> <--Is an FNG
Apr 21 20:53:22 <List099> thanks
Apr 21 20:54:44 <List099> It says they were planning to continue making Rev. B boards up until Rev C was launched.
Apr 21 20:54:57 <List099> I looked at all the suppliers, all are out of stock.
Apr 21 20:55:05 <rocky|bluevm> so what happens to the 100,000+ backordered RevB boards?
Apr 21 20:55:26 <ZiNC> Out of stock has been the usual case in the last few months. It refills, but empties almost immediately.
Apr 21 20:55:28 <List099> I understand why they're reluctant to order more Rev B
Apr 21 20:55:38 <List099> I see
Apr 21 20:55:48 <ZiNC> Relucatant, who, the stores?
Apr 21 20:56:11 <rocky|bluevm> I'm sure the stores would love more of them!
Apr 21 20:56:11 <List099> Yes, the distributors. Once Rev C comes out, who would buy ReV B
Apr 21 20:56:22 <ZiNC> Cheaper.
Apr 21 20:56:26 <rocky|bluevm> ^
Apr 21 20:56:32 <List099> point well taken
Apr 21 20:56:38 <ZiNC> And 2GB was enough until now. And you can expand with an SD card.
Apr 21 20:56:53 <rocky|bluevm> If I hit the 2GB limit on rev b, it usually means I haven't been deleting old stuff.
Apr 21 20:57:07 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: Trying findGPIO.js but it just say nothing at all. :O
Apr 21 20:57:07 <ZiNC> But maybe the eMMC is faster than SD. Or maybe not.
Apr 21 20:57:16 <rocky|bluevm> speakman: :O
Apr 21 20:57:33 <rocky|bluevm> you have to give it an input, like ./findGPIO.js P9_13
Apr 21 20:58:01 <speakman> lol ok :D
Apr 21 20:58:05 <rocky|bluevm> working now?
Apr 21 20:58:28 <List099> The cheapest Rev B board I can find is $91 on eBay
Apr 21 20:58:36 <rocky|bluevm> blarg.
Apr 21 20:58:45 <ZiNC> Nah. Get it from normal stores.
Apr 21 20:58:52 <rocky|bluevm> I will cherish the beaglebones my team has.
Apr 21 20:59:27 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: http://dpaste.com/1790154/
Apr 21 20:59:50 <rocky|bluevm> that doesn't look right.
Apr 21 20:59:54 <speakman> no?
Apr 21 21:00:08 <rocky|bluevm> I guess I've never passed in two different pins.
Apr 21 21:00:14 <rocky|bluevm> I mean the output format :p
Apr 21 21:00:41 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: http://dpaste.com/1790155/
Apr 21 21:01:26 <rocky|bluevm> looks right to me based on Derek Molloy's chart
Apr 21 21:01:35 <speakman> ok?
Apr 21 21:01:53 <speakman> "d_can1_rx" is just stated in "options", not on "mux:" row.
Apr 21 21:02:05 <speakman> no idea how to interpret that output though
Apr 21 21:02:06 <ZiNC> If I understand their site correctly, Special Computing has stock for $45 + shipping.
Apr 21 21:02:18 <rocky|bluevm> you're on mode 2, which is the correct mode for the d_can1 bus
Apr 21 21:02:43 <mastiff> whooaa, didn't realize BBBs had appreciated so much
Apr 21 21:03:01 <rocky|bluevm> are they worth more than their weight in gold yet? :p
Apr 21 21:03:16 <ZiNC> Appreciated as in "no stock"?
Apr 21 21:03:22 <rocky|bluevm> nope.
Apr 21 21:03:35 <mastiff> as in going for 2x retail on ebay
Apr 21 21:03:38 <rocky|bluevm> mastiff: this is just supply and demand.
Apr 21 21:03:55 <rocky|bluevm> I wouldn't call that appreciation.
Apr 21 21:03:57 <ZiNC> If someone's willing to pay...
Apr 21 21:04:09 <mastiff> I don't care what you call it.
Apr 21 21:04:18 <rocky|bluevm> :/ w/e then.
Apr 21 21:05:21 <mastiff> of course it's supply and demand Captain Obvious
Apr 21 21:05:23 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: I just find "pullup" weird for an output...
Apr 21 21:07:11 <List099> Thank you again, Zinc, I'm looking at Avnet and they wany $68, but not sure which Rev that is.
Apr 21 21:07:25 <rocky|bluevm> Doesn't the CAN bus require a pullup?  (speaking a little outside my expertise)
Apr 21 21:07:48 <ZiNC> List: Why not https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/index.htm ?
Apr 21 21:07:52 <rocky|bluevm> what kind of output stage do devices on a can bus have?  opencollector?
Apr 21 21:08:20 <List099> <---pulling up specialcomp now
Apr 21 21:08:55 <ZiNC> Very minimalistic site, no PayPal, but says "ships immediately" and it seems to be $52 including shipping.
Apr 21 21:09:14 <ZiNC> And listed as an official dealer.
Apr 21 21:09:27 <rocky|bluevm> I would expect it to be opencollector since multiple devices are on the same bus, right?  So if it weren't, it would cause bus contention....
Apr 21 21:10:30 <rocky|bluevm> or at least could cause one device to sink and another to source current on the same line.  Short circuit.
Apr 21 21:12:31 <List099> Just ordered, Zinc, you're a pal!
Apr 21 21:13:19 <myself> Isn't specialcomp the merchant behind most of the beaglebones you find on amazon?
Apr 21 21:13:22 <myself> "ships from and sold by" ,etc
Apr 21 21:15:06 <List099> For the record, I was only charged $45, including shipping.
Apr 21 21:15:51 <List099> Myself, I saw that "Listed on Amazon" as I was ordering it.
Apr 21 21:17:32 <myself> handy if you like to use their order-history to keep track of things
Apr 21 21:18:50 <List099> but on Amazon, they have to pay for the priviledge, so they charge more.
Apr 21 21:18:58 <ZiNC> List: Cool. Hope they're not going to tell you the site was wrong and there's no stock.
Apr 21 21:19:16 <ZiNC> Free shipping? That's nice
Apr 21 21:19:29 <List099> It's only first class mail.
Apr 21 21:19:47 <List099> total net weight is just a few ounces
Apr 21 21:19:58 <rocky|bluevm> about 2
Apr 21 21:20:07 <ZiNC> Hmm... I'm only seeing "quote" and $7 for priority mail.
Apr 21 21:20:07 <rocky|bluevm> minues packaging and the usb cable
Apr 21 21:20:30 <List099> SO I got an email confirming my order
Apr 21 21:20:40 <rocky|bluevm> yay
Apr 21 21:20:42 <List099> only showed the $45
Apr 21 21:20:55 <ZiNC> You chose "quote" for shipping?
Apr 21 21:21:02 <List099> On Amazon priced at $69 + shipping
Apr 21 21:21:15 <nick____> Hi! Can someone tell me how to enable HDMI audio on the BBB when I also use a LCD cape? I am running ubuntu 13.10
Apr 21 21:21:17 <List099> yes, I chose quote
Apr 21 21:21:31 <ZiNC> Odd.
Apr 21 21:21:49 <List099> $69 + $7.63 shipping if you buy off Amazon
Apr 21 21:22:17 <ZiNC> Hard to resist, no doubt.
Apr 21 21:22:31 <List099> shipping weight is 3.4 ounces
Apr 21 21:23:26 <List099> Amazon shows they have stock available
Apr 21 21:24:21 <ZiNC> I guess it's up to the store to update, unless "fulfilled by Amazon".
Apr 21 21:32:21 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: Now I've tested the same thing on another BBB, but it still does not output anything at all.
Apr 21 21:32:39 <rocky|bluevm> Not sure what to tell you speakman.
Apr 21 21:32:54 <rocky|bluevm> Have you worked with CAN devices before?
Apr 21 21:32:57 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: I know, I just wanted you to know
Apr 21 21:33:00 <rocky|bluevm> do you have another device you could test with?
Apr 21 21:33:36 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: I've been doing CAN on a couple of different hardware before, yes :)
Apr 21 21:34:16 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: I've even got one Cortex-M3 STM32 hardware running with CAN messages continously transmitting just for testing reception.
Apr 21 21:34:24 <rocky|bluevm> hmm
Apr 21 21:34:57 <rocky|bluevm> how does the CAN device expose itself in linux anyway?
Apr 21 21:35:06 <rocky|bluevm> is it just another tty?
Apr 21 21:35:07 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: And I've got a 200MHz oscilloscope for signal supervision and a 16CH logic analyzer with CAN decoding support at my hand. ;)
Apr 21 21:35:15 <rocky|bluevm> good good.
Apr 21 21:35:35 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: nope, using SocketCAN it's just like an network interface.
Apr 21 21:35:51 <speakman> it even shows up in ifconfig
Apr 21 21:35:51 <ZiNC> speakman: Which oscilloscope?
Apr 21 21:35:53 <alex20032> hey rocky
Apr 21 21:35:54 <rocky|bluevm> I take it you've done this before on linux specifically then?
Apr 21 21:36:08 <rocky|bluevm> hello alex20032.  Have we met before?
Apr 21 21:36:10 <speakman> ZiNC: RIGOL DS2072 with some extras.
Apr 21 21:36:19 <alex20032> no
Apr 21 21:36:32 <ZiNC> speakman: Not 300MHz because it's the non-A?
Apr 21 21:36:32 <alex20032> but i saw you in the history of my web client
Apr 21 21:36:59 <alex20032> you where rocky | quadcopter
Apr 21 21:37:25 <rocky|bluevm> speakman: those be some nice oscilloscopes... I'm gonna miss having access to my college's signals lab...
Apr 21 21:37:39 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: actually not on Linux, but I've read a lot and there is can-utils with tools for both sending and receiving (dumping) CAN data.
Apr 21 21:37:51 <speakman> ZiNC: nope 200MHz
Apr 21 21:38:18 <rocky|bluevm> speakman: we have high speed digital scopes, oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, variable voltage supplies, signal generators.  Just about everything you'd ever need.
Apr 21 21:38:31 <rocky|bluevm> speakman: and I trust you've tried can-utils.
Apr 21 21:39:01 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: nice, it's invaluable :)
Apr 21 21:39:17 <alex20032> how does nromally remote controller for quadcopter/professionnal toy car usually work?
Apr 21 21:39:36 <alex20032> Does it just send continuouisly: A is pressed, A is pressed, A is pressed....
Apr 21 21:39:54 <alex20032> Or it send: A has been pressed........ 30 sec later, A has been release
Apr 21 21:39:55 <rocky|bluevm> alex20032: it either uses an FM or digital radio
Apr 21 21:40:20 <rocky|bluevm> alex20032: I'm not sure if it's event based or a constant stream.
Apr 21 21:40:24 <alex20032> i was not talking about the modulation but actual data
Apr 21 21:40:46 <alex20032> i tought since you where rocky | quadcopter... you knew about that stuff
Apr 21 21:40:58 <rocky|bluevm> I can tell you that we're using sockets over wifi to send instructions to our quadcopter.
Apr 21 21:41:10 <rocky|bluevm> so no, I don't necessarily know about that stuff. :/
Apr 21 21:41:15 <rocky|bluevm> don't be condesending.
Apr 21 21:41:23 <alex20032> anyway
Apr 21 21:41:28 <alex20032> How you do it?
Apr 21 21:41:46 <alex20032> I will maybe do a quadcopter soon, and im not sure if i shall do stream or event
Apr 21 21:41:59 <rocky|bluevm> Do a stream+heartbeat.
Apr 21 21:42:06 <rocky|bluevm> er
Apr 21 21:42:09 <rocky|bluevm> event+heartbeat.
Apr 21 21:42:09 <rocky|bluevm> derp
Apr 21 21:42:17 <alex20032> its what you did?
Apr 21 21:42:32 <rocky|bluevm> it's low bandwidth, and you still know if the remote is still there.  Yeah, it's what we're doing.
Apr 21 21:42:50 <rocky|bluevm> Look into PID control for actual control of the quadcopter.
Apr 21 21:42:51 <alex20032> how shall i implement the heartbeat?
Apr 21 21:43:00 <alex20032> Does the quad need to send back information?
Apr 21 21:43:16 <alex20032> Or i just need to check if i still receive data periodically?
Apr 21 21:43:27 <alex20032> Like sending a pulse everu 20 sec
Apr 21 21:43:30 <rocky|bluevm> not unless it has something important to say!  Like sending camera pictures.
Apr 21 21:44:09 <rocky|bluevm> I send a heartbeat at 2Hz to make sure the remote is still there.  Right now, if it goes out of contact for more than 2 heartbeats, it kills the motors.  We're changing that behavior soon.
Apr 21 21:45:06 <alex20032> I was tinking of maybe doing a quadcopter for finally using my BBB
Apr 21 21:45:25 <ds2> from scratch or?
Apr 21 21:45:26 <alex20032> But then i tought about it... maybe overkill... and i could destroy my precious
Apr 21 21:45:31 <rocky|bluevm> right now, we do: node joystick.js | netcat 192.168.0.1 1234
Apr 21 21:45:31 <alex20032> from scratch
Apr 21 21:45:40 <alex20032> just buying frame + motor + motor controller
Apr 21 21:45:51 <ds2> what about sw?
Apr 21 21:45:58 <alex20032> sw?
Apr 21 21:46:01 <alex20032> software?
Apr 21 21:46:01 <ds2> software
Apr 21 21:46:08 <alex20032> Its the part of my project....
Apr 21 21:46:16 <rocky|bluevm> and then the joystick.js is this: http://pastiebin.com/5355919c5011d
Apr 21 21:46:30 <rocky|bluevm> on the other end we just set up a netcat server, redirect its output to a named fifo.
Apr 21 21:46:36 <ds2> alex20032: have you looked at the Beagle Pilot project?
Apr 21 21:46:38 <rocky|bluevm> and read it in the control program
Apr 21 21:46:52 <rocky|bluevm> alex20032: My senior design project has been making a quadcopter from scratch.
Apr 21 21:48:22 <rocky|bluevm> we've recently started flying.  Here's our current code, documentation is lacking, and organization of the repo is poor, but we're gonna be working on it the next few weeks. https://github.com/Rose-Hulman-ROBO4xx/1314-BeagleBone-Quadcopter/tree/master_rev2
Apr 21 21:48:33 <alex20032> i see, you are sending thing in a stream...
Apr 21 21:48:54 <rocky|bluevm> yes, it's a stream, but the joystick is event based, so it only sends when there is a new command from the user.
Apr 21 21:49:53 <rocky|bluevm> and the joystick is currently a DX6i in trainer mode, but we're planning a smartphone app for mobile, and to make it work with an xbox or ps3 controller for the PC
Apr 21 21:50:43 <alex20032> Well, i need to make a project to complete my tech
Apr 21 21:50:57 <alex20032> After my tech i will continue at university in either CS or CE
Apr 21 21:51:14 <kobrien> Hi, Trying to boot off the barrel jack. Power led comes on for a few seconds and then nothing. Boots perfectly from USB. Any ideas? I've measured that I'm sending a constant 5v line.
Apr 21 21:51:21 <alex20032> An i have a BBB, and i tought putting it in my project would be nice, especially the PRU part
Apr 21 21:51:30 <kobrien> (on a BBB)
Apr 21 21:51:37 <alex20032> but im not sure if a quadcopter is a feasible project
Apr 21 21:51:49 <rocky|bluevm> alex20032: not really unless A) you have a team
Apr 21 21:51:56 <rocky|bluevm> or B) build off of someone else's work.
Apr 21 21:51:57 <speakman> rocky|bluevm: weird thing is, until the device tree overlay is loaded in the capemgr, the P9_24 (which is CAN RX) is set to gpio0_15 and I can see in the oscilloscope there is lots of data transmitting on that line. Not sure what it is, but it looks like ~1Mbps data something.
Apr 21 21:52:12 <alex20032> never did any PID
Apr 21 21:52:41 <rocky|bluevm> alex20032: what time frame are you looking at for the project?
Apr 21 21:52:43 <alex20032> the latest thing i did in math is basic derivative
Apr 21 21:52:48 <alex20032> 1 year
Apr 21 21:52:53 <alex20032> next year
Apr 21 21:53:05 <rocky|bluevm> I'd say a quadcopter is very feasible then.
Apr 21 21:53:24 <alex20032> but i have the possibility to start right away... altought, they will only evaluate the work done during the time frame
Apr 21 21:54:24 <alex20032> But im not sure about my math background, never did PID, almost no integral....
Apr 21 21:54:37 <alex20032> And im not sure about the BBB on it, maybe to much overkill...
Apr 21 21:54:55 <alex20032> And how may i test it, without it flying over my head and breack up...
Apr 21 21:55:05 <rocky|bluevm> alex20032: it has plenty of processing power for the job, we just use about 10% for the algorithm
Apr 21 21:55:30 <alex20032> During the development phase, i may need to test it, but since its in development, there a lot of chance its still not ready for test
Apr 21 21:55:32 <rocky|bluevm> you MUST constrain it while writing your PID loop and tuning the parameters.
Apr 21 21:56:06 <alex20032> constrain it?
Apr 21 21:56:22 <rocky|bluevm> you must find a way to test it safely.  What we did was suspend it on a string between two posts so it could rotate about an axis, and put two cardboard tubes with a notch in them so it wouldn't bounce around.
Apr 21 21:56:42 <alex20032> 10% of a BBB capability for that? I saw some people doing it with mcu
Apr 21 21:56:56 <alex20032> rocky|bluevm: sorry, i dont have good imagination nor english skill
Apr 21 21:57:11 <alex20032> so i cant really see how your technic to contrain it look like
Apr 21 21:57:21 <rocky|bluevm> hold on.
Apr 21 21:57:26 <rocky|bluevm> I have a video.
Apr 21 21:59:00 <dsmith-work> Howdy folks.  Just got my Element 14 BBB over the weekend.  Trying to put debian on it.  How long do you need to hold that button in?
Apr 21 21:59:33 <dsmith-work> Do I really need to hold it for 45 minutes?
Apr 21 21:59:39 <rocky|bluevm> only a second or two, then it boots off SD
Apr 21 21:59:55 <dsmith-work> Yes, it does boot off the SD.
Apr 21 22:00:20 <dsmith-work> Isn't it supposed to also copy to the eMMC ?
Apr 21 22:01:35 <alex20032> brb in like 15 min, have to go eat
Apr 21 22:01:52 <rocky|bluevm> alex20032: I'm having trouble finding the video.
Apr 21 22:01:54 <ds2> alex20032: you should look into the Beagle Pilot project..they are doing pretty much the samething
Apr 21 22:02:04 <ds2> (unless you are part of that in which case...)
Apr 21 22:02:16 <dsmith-work> I was using the BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.4-2014-04-14-2gb.img.xz image.
Apr 21 22:02:37 <rocky|bluevm> ds2: I'm having trouble finding that project.  Can you link to it?
Apr 21 22:07:15 <nyt-> dsmith-work: it boots, and copies once booted, give it some time, wait for leds to all go solid
Apr 21 22:07:57 <rocky|bluevm> ^
Apr 21 22:09:00 <dsmith-work> Ok.  I did wait (like over night).  Ended up with the middle t2 lit, not all 4.
Apr 21 22:09:20 <dsmith-work> Thanks.
Apr 21 22:10:20 <ds2> rocky|bluevm: http://www.beagleboard.org/project/BeaglePilot/
Apr 21 22:10:28 <dsmith-work> The SD slot was also very very stiff. There was a blob of glue or epoxy that oozed out and was in the way.  I just now scraped that off, and now the SD card pops out nicely.
Apr 21 22:10:50 <ds2> start there and go from there...
Apr 21 22:12:31 <rocky|bluevm> ds2: heh... we wrote our own software.  I might fork there's and make it work with our cape.  I bet it works better :p
Apr 21 22:13:46 <rocky|bluevm> though we're doing stuff I suspect they're not, like using realtime kernel patches.
Apr 21 22:14:39 <rocky|bluevm> meh.  we have about 4 weeks left.  It's probably not worth it to abandon ship for their software.
Apr 21 22:16:09 <nick____> Hi! Can someone help me enable HDMI audio on the BBB when I also use a LCD cape?
Apr 21 22:17:13 <nyt-> not likely
Apr 21 22:17:17 <rocky|quadcopter> ohey.  reptyr worked.
Apr 21 22:20:28 <dsmith-work> Another question, the 5V power connector.  Is +5 on the barrel or the center?
Apr 21 22:20:40 <ds2> rocky|bluevm: why did you choose to go down the RT Linux path?
Apr 21 22:21:29 <dsmith-work> From the schematic, it looks like the center, but I'm not sure.  And I don't see that spelled out anywgere.
Apr 21 22:21:37 <ds2> it should be the center
Apr 21 22:22:21 <dsmith-work> Thanks.
Apr 21 22:26:18 <alex20032> Back
Apr 21 22:27:18 <speakman> Anyone have tried connecting stuff to the SPI port of BBB?
Apr 21 22:27:59 <alex20032> ds2: Nah, i wont check BBB-pilote
Apr 21 22:28:02 <speakman> I'm considering moving to a MCP2515 CAN controller on SPI bus rather than using the build-in CAN controller which is just about to drive me crazy.
Apr 21 22:28:11 <alex20032> My project goal is to make my own control system
Apr 21 22:28:21 <ds2> alex20032: gotcha
Apr 21 22:28:36 <alex20032> and i wont fork BBB-pilote... i dont have enough background to be able to upgrade it or optimize
Apr 21 22:28:48 <ds2> speakman: it worked fine on the BBW using the same chip
Apr 21 22:28:49 <alex20032> i will instead reinvent the wheel
Apr 21 22:29:26 <alex20032> my version will not be verry good because of my background, but will be a great project
Apr 21 22:30:08 <alex20032> rocky|quadcopter:  did you find out the video?
Apr 21 22:30:31 <speakman> ds2: what did=
Apr 21 22:30:32 <speakman> ?
Apr 21 22:30:48 <ds2> speakman: SPI
Apr 21 22:31:05 <ds2> SPI works just like any other standard Linux system
Apr 21 22:33:45 <speakman> Hm. Looks like I've been looking on P8 instead of P9. Will that make any difference you think? :p
Apr 21 22:33:57 <kobrien> I've built a small power supply, that takes a 9v battery, drops it to a stable 5v and then I send that through the barrel of a BBB. It flashes the leds and then dies. Ideas?
Apr 21 22:56:48 <nyt-> prob not stable
Apr 21 22:56:56 <nyt-> leave a meter hooked up
Apr 21 23:07:25 <speakman> rocky|quadcopter: Just wanted to say everything works now. When you stick to the the right side of the board (P9 instead of P8) things seems to work. ;)
Apr 21 23:31:10 <alex20032> rocky|quadcopter: also, how to do the quad algo work in real time if no floating point?
Apr 21 23:31:48 <alex20032> on the pru
Apr 21 23:32:47 <List099> ping
Apr 21 23:33:58 <alex20032> pong??
Apr 21 23:38:55 <nyt-> https://github.com/notnyt/beaglebone one day someone will actuallyy use this and give me some feedback lol
Apr 21 23:42:02 <alex20032> ??
Apr 21 23:42:22 <alex20032> i love ruby... but not useful for me
Apr 21 23:47:37 <List099> Zinc are you still here?
Apr 21 23:54:18 <ZiNC> Yes.
Apr 21 23:59:49 <List099> Zinc, on my order with Special Computing.
Apr 22 00:00:05 <ZiNC> Surprises?
Apr 22 00:00:09 <List099> They sent me an email asking what method of shipping I wanted,
Apr 22 00:00:20 <List099> so I paid $4 for USPS first class
Apr 22 00:00:39 <ZiNC> While not as nice as free shipping, it could be worse. :)
Apr 22 00:00:52 <List099> Yes
Apr 22 00:01:11 <List099> I really didn't expect free since it didn't SAY free shipping.
Apr 22 00:01:29 <List099> But in case anyone else asks you...
Apr 22 00:01:47 <ZiNC> Yeah, seems less common in electronics.
Apr 22 00:02:04 <ZiNC> Unlike more consumerish stores.
Apr 22 00:02:57 <List099> 4 Oz shipping weight, costs $2.01 to mail, with a delivery confirmation
Apr 22 00:03:09 <ZiNC> :)
Apr 22 00:03:21 <ZiNC> Well, thanks for the info. ;)
Apr 22 00:03:37 <List099> NP, thank you for hooking me up
Apr 22 00:04:07 <ZiNC> Just following the links out of the official site. :)
Apr 22 00:04:30 <List099> the official site gives a dizzying array of vendors
Apr 22 00:04:41 <List099> they all seemed to be out of stock when I checked them
Apr 22 00:06:10 <ZiNC> You probably missed the single one that did have stock.
Apr 22 00:06:25 <ZiNC> Or, they actually don't have stock and the next email will tell you that.
Apr 22 00:06:27 <List099> apparently
Apr 22 00:06:39 <rocky|quadcopter> alex20032: you can use floating point!
Apr 22 00:07:43 <rocky|quadcopter> I dont see how that has any bearing on realtime.
Apr 22 00:10:05 <rocky|tablet> alex20032: I didn't find the video :(
Apr 22 00:10:16 <rocky|tablet> speakman: ain't that a pain?
Apr 22 00:10:45 <rocky|tablet> I'm pretty sure I've done that before.
Apr 22 02:12:04 <michael_> greetings, i could use a little help with flashing the latest debianimage on to the mmc ob my beagle black
Apr 22 02:13:35 <michael_> I would prefer to use the usb cable connection from a windows host, is that possible?
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