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May 03 03:50:29 <Abhishek_> how to flash a normal image into the emmc of the BBB?
May 03 04:37:22 <nyt-> so anyone working on something interesting?
May 03 04:38:41 <sellout> nyt-: Beagle-related?
May 03 05:03:12 <nyt-> sure or whatever
May 03 07:03:13 <dgriffi> has anyone here used an FTDI breakout board made by tinyosshop.com?
May 03 07:04:07 <dgriffi> I've been able to use it to get text from the serial console, but I cannot send anything.  Do I have a bad breakout board or am I missing something?
May 03 07:10:05 <dgriffi> is anyone here?
May 03 07:12:10 <dgriffi> scratch that... this FTDI thing is braindead
May 03 07:18:24 <tbr> dgriffi: ftdi boards should just work. but make sure to use the correct voltage levels or you'll fry the input
May 03 07:23:08 <dgriffi> tbr: my problem was that I needed to pull CTS low.  I didn't think that would be an issue for this device.  So on a lark I shorted GND and CTS together with a hemostat.  that allowed me to type at the BBB
May 03 07:23:45 <tbr> dgriffi: sounds like you have hw-flow on in your terminal emulator?
May 03 07:23:57 <dgriffi> ugh.. maybe so
May 03 07:30:09 <dgriffi> yep
May 03 07:34:10 <tbr> :)
May 03 07:35:35 <KotH> flow control... a ghost from the past :)
May 03 07:36:46 <tbr> the spice must flow!
May 03 07:40:49 * KotH summons The Great Worm
May 03 07:41:21 <KotH> hmm... probably still asleep
May 03 07:41:25 <tbr> rhythmical stomping?
May 03 07:43:15 <Shadyman> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAR!
May 03 07:43:27 <Shadyman> Sorry I'm late.
May 03 07:43:39 <tbr> nah, you're not LetoThe2nd
May 03 11:15:23 <ju-emb> Hi folks,
May 03 11:15:25 <ju-emb> I'm new here and I hope I'm on the right place to bother with my questions
May 03 11:15:27 <ju-emb> I managed to  write the latest debian image to my bbb, the board is booting fine
May 03 11:15:29 <ju-emb> I need to do some experiments with dtb (activating UARTS on boot time)
May 03 11:15:31 <ju-emb> but I like to do this first on a SD Card rather than flashing always the mmc.
May 03 11:15:35 <ju-emb> for that I downloaded the debian SD Card Image for the bbb put it on the SD card,
May 03 11:15:37 <ju-emb> now I like to make my bbb always boot from the SD card first.
May 03 11:15:39 <ju-emb> but it seems he boots always from mmc
May 03 11:15:41 <ju-emb> how can I verify that, or achieve that the bbb boots from SD first?
May 03 11:15:43 <ju-emb>  
May 03 11:20:17 <tbr> ju-emb: you can either modify the uboot on the eMMC to boot from SD or you can remove the MLO from eMMC
May 03 11:20:53 <ju-emb> what is MLO
May 03 11:23:44 <tbr> it's the first stage boot loader
May 03 11:23:54 <tbr> it's a file on the boot partition
May 03 11:24:14 <tbr> I think it's also the one that is exported over USB
May 03 11:25:08 <ju-emb> ahh OK,
May 03 11:25:11 <ju-emb> sorry for that simple questions,
May 03 11:25:13 <ju-emb> I now only a little about uboot, more familiar with grub
May 03 11:25:28 <tbr> no problem
May 03 11:26:50 <ju-emb> at one time I remember the bbb had the boot order so, that if SD is present he booted first from SD and used the mmc as fallback.
May 03 11:26:53 <ju-emb> Is it possible to make that work again?
May 03 11:27:54 <tbr> yes, you should be able to achieve that by editing the boot config for u-boot.
May 03 11:28:22 <tbr> I've never done that but would expect it was discussed on the beagleboard mailing list and or might be explained on the elinux wiki
May 03 11:28:22 <ju-emb> perfect, so I'll dig a bit into the uboot docu
May 03 11:29:24 <ju-emb> elinux wiki, great place
May 03 12:23:57 <Gnaaaa> Hi ho, I've encountered an issue with my BBB. MAybe someone can help. I don't know what happened but when I connect my BBB to the USB or an external (USB) power supply it happens to initialize the board. the four LEDs start with a blinking sequenz and all of a sudden everything goes dark. Even the Power LED turns off. Someone an idea or an idea how to check what has happened?
May 03 12:24:45 <tbr> maybe you corrupted the installation on the eMMC?
May 03 12:25:03 <tbr> try booting off an microSD card instead
May 03 12:25:36 <Gnaaaa> That was one thing I allready thought of and tried just to reinstall everything but with a new sd card and system the same thing happens when i want to boot
May 03 12:26:11 <Gnaaaa> mm.. I hate my board. I just removed the SD card and plugged it in again. Guess what it is doing.
May 03 12:30:50 <Gnaaaa> mm.. I tried again with the sd card and it did not work. I tried without the sd card on the laptop it did not work. It seems to work only with an external power supply. But when I connect a display cape, no sd card and an external power supply. it won't boot either.
May 03 12:31:57 <_nedR> Hello.. newb here... i am gonna buy a second hand beaglebone black, Is there anything i have to look out for (model no., specs, contents of box)?
May 03 12:32:06 <tbr> Gnaaaa: a display might need much more power, make sure your power supply is speced for that
May 03 12:32:37 <tbr> _nedR: there's really not much, usually it's just the board
May 03 12:33:04 <tbr> rev C is not out yet, so all boards are more or less the same
May 03 12:33:24 <_nedR> tbr thanks for reply ... what is this 'Rev. B' ? is it very different from A?
May 03 12:34:47 <tbr> _nedR: you'll find details about that on the elinux wiki
May 03 12:35:17 <_nedR> tbr, will the difference be very significant ? if it was a model A?
May 03 12:35:26 <tbr> no
May 03 12:35:38 <tbr> "so all boards are more or less the same"
May 03 12:37:39 <_nedR> tbr ok thanks for the help... looking forward to it..
May 03 12:38:09 <_nedR> tbr if not too much trouble ... is there any way to use arduino shield with beaglebone?
May 03 12:38:34 <_nedR> I see a Indiegogo campaign for one though
May 03 12:38:37 <tbr> not directly
May 03 14:10:59 <BeagleBone> Just purchased a BeagleBone Black.  Is there an easy way to check what Angstrom Distribution is loaded?  Thank you.
May 03 14:53:34 <diakonos> Hey folks - just wanted to know if anyone has a recommendation for the best way to get 2G or 3G data to the beaglebone black.
May 03 15:38:52 <prpplague> diakonos: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Capes
May 03 15:39:19 <jtb_> Hi there
May 03 18:47:59 <semaf> IDENTIFY semaf
May 03 18:48:18 <semaf> Anybody from Beaglebone Team?
May 03 18:48:57 <myself> ask your actual question
May 03 18:49:28 <semaf> Want to be Distributor and can't find Email to Contact them
May 03 18:49:56 <tbr> there should be a circuitco email address for that
May 03 18:50:44 <semaf> On which Page? Found only from Jason the Mail thats all
May 03 18:51:08 <myself> I'm just guessing they may want you to make a case for why your particular (region, niche, etc) needs another distributor, justa hunch.
May 03 18:52:42 <semaf> Thats not a Problem if I could contact them
May 03 18:55:22 <tbr> semaf: they have a contact form on their webpage. Also if you look around you'll find  support@circuitco.com
May 03 18:55:58 <semaf> @tbr Thank you! Circuitco is the Main Page as it seems
May 03 20:33:39 <mantas> hello, which kernel should I use in order to get the most stable system?
May 03 20:34:27 <tbr> the one that comes with your stable image.
May 03 20:37:23 <mantas> I want to build ubuntu 14.04 the image by myselft.
May 03 20:39:22 <mantas> What is the difference between Robert C Nelson's repository and the official Beagleboard repository?
May 03 20:40:08 <mantas> Do the  scripts build a kernel from same sources?
May 03 20:40:39 <tbr> I do not know that
May 03 20:41:03 <nyt-> rcn's is the official
May 03 20:41:14 <nyt-> if you want the most stable system use the latest debian imag
May 03 20:41:14 <nyt-> e
May 03 20:41:25 <tbr> what he said!
May 03 21:04:41 <Mike_Pa> I submitted a rma for my bbb last week how long does it usually take to get it approved?
May 03 21:07:29 <prpplague> Mike_Pa: depends on who you purchased it from and up you requested an rma from
May 03 21:07:42 <prpplague> Mike_Pa: but generally the approval is within 24/48 hours
May 03 21:08:30 <Mike_Pa> i did the rma from the bbb webpage
May 03 21:09:04 <mrpackethead> ironically, i have a dead beagle this morning, but i dont' think i'll ask for an RMA.
May 03 21:09:09 <XorA> prpplague: how goes oh purply master!
May 03 21:09:33 <prpplague> Mike_Pa: it should have been followed up on by now then
May 03 21:09:46 <prpplague> Mike_Pa: probably best to email again
May 03 21:09:47 <mrpackethead> our water tank got hit by lightning last night.
May 03 21:09:50 <prpplague> XorA: hey bud
May 03 21:10:05 <Mike_Pa> will do thanks
May 03 21:10:09 <mrpackethead> beagle in the tower is not responding :-(
May 03 21:10:38 <XorA> mrpackethead: thats because it stood up and walked off
May 03 21:10:56 <mrpackethead> yeah, could be.
May 03 21:11:31 <XorA> now you need to make it a wife
May 04 01:10:04 <yoshta> Is the beaglebone capable as acting as a wifi AP, and be a media server, where 10 people can connected to it wirelessly and stream 2gb HD movies via browser?
May 04 01:10:16 <yoshta> or does this require a desktop computer
May 04 01:13:10 <thurgood> doesn't require a desktop, but the beagle is not built for that type of thing afaik
May 04 01:15:42 <yoshta> thurgood: what do you mean by that, whats it meant for mainly?
May 04 01:16:51 <thurgood> mostly multiple slower i/o
May 04 01:16:57 <agmlego> Embedded systems.
May 04 01:17:01 <agmlego> Like robots.
May 04 01:18:06 <prpplague> and industrial automation
May 04 01:26:41 <veremit> I'd like to see a beagle in industrial environment lol
May 04 01:35:43 <yoshta> is it possible to hook up a HD and usb dongles to the beaglebone?
May 04 01:37:15 <thurgood> if the hd is usb.... slow
May 04 01:37:37 <yoshta> is USB the only option?
May 04 01:37:39 <veremit> very slow lol
May 04 01:38:16 <veremit> whats wrong with the hdmi ?
May 04 01:38:38 <yoshta> what do you mean?
May 04 01:38:45 <yoshta> I meant for the HD connection
May 04 01:38:51 <thurgood> other than the 16 bit color?
May 04 01:38:54 <veremit> why don't you use the HDMI port ?
May 04 01:39:07 <veremit> ah heh
May 04 01:39:40 <veremit> is the Pi any better?
May 04 01:40:04 <thurgood> pi has 24 bit 1080p
May 04 01:40:17 <thurgood> but that's about all it really has over the bone
May 04 01:40:34 <yoshta> is USB the only way to hook up a HD to the beaglebone
May 04 01:41:36 <agmlego> Yeah.
May 04 01:41:46 <agmlego> Or get a really, really big microSD card.
May 04 01:41:51 <thurgood> the only common interface that I'm aware of
May 04 01:42:18 <agmlego> yoshta: You *might* want to, you know, actually look at a picture of the thing you are trying to use in aproject before trying to use it in a project.
May 04 01:42:24 <agmlego> What you see, is what you get.
May 04 01:44:59 <yoshta> agmlego: I looked at it, and was like damn this is awesome
May 04 01:45:21 <yoshta> agmlego: I saw there are 128GB microsd cards, that should suffice
May 04 01:45:41 <agmlego> OK, and somehow you missed the fact that it has one and only one USB host port, and no opther drive-style connections at all?
May 04 01:46:10 <agmlego> And that all of the IO on the two large connectors is low-speed GPIO.
May 04 01:46:50 <agmlego> That is probablky the best option.
May 04 01:47:06 <agmlego> Make sure you get a class 10 or better, and that will still be relatively slow storage.
May 04 01:47:37 <agmlego> Hopefully you are not going to try anything like streaming high-def media to multiple users at the same time over wireless.
May 04 01:47:51 <agmlego> Because again, you will run into USB bandwidth constraints.
May 04 01:48:14 <yoshta> between what? the usb wifi dongle and the usb hd?
May 04 01:48:28 <agmlego> No, between the processor and the USB WiFi.
May 04 01:48:38 <agmlego> Because it is slow USB, and because USB is slow.
May 04 01:48:57 <agmlego> Even streaming off the SD card, you still need to get all that data over USB to the WiFi chipset.
May 04 01:50:01 <yoshta> agmlego: thanks for your help
May 04 01:50:22 <agmlego> No problem.
May 04 01:52:30 <veremit> really wouldn't recommend a beagle for that :p
May 04 01:52:51 <veremit> but you could connect the ethernet to an AP
May 04 01:53:06 <Dan3> RPi is going to be just as bad i think
May 04 01:53:12 <veremit> you want something with SATA ideally .. something like a wandboard quad ;)
May 04 01:53:23 <veremit> Dan .. worse .. with shared ethernet/usb
May 04 01:53:32 <Dan3> isnt there embedded boards with sata?
May 04 01:53:42 <Dan3> urgh, you already answered me
May 04 01:53:47 <veremit> :) np
May 04 01:53:48 * Dan3 is a little slow today
May 04 01:54:00 <veremit> bit more expensive .. but look wht you get :D
May 04 01:55:11 <yoshta> thanks veremit
May 04 01:55:16 <yoshta> looking at the wandboard right now
May 04 01:55:24 <veremit> wifi onboard too :)
May 04 01:55:36 <veremit> no crazy usb hub needed
May 04 01:56:23 <veremit> beagle definitely better for gpio though
May 04 01:56:45 <veremit> dd I mention audio on the wand? *cough* nvm lol
May 04 01:56:47 <Dan3> each have there place. all depends on what your trying to do
May 04 01:56:55 <veremit> well said Dan :)
May 04 01:57:13 <Dan3> no point trying to use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail... :)
May 04 01:57:40 <veremit> not recommended
May 04 02:51:34 <diakonos> Hey folks - any recommendations on GPRS or 3G?  I see that there is one supplier out there, but hoping there is more
May 04 02:51:47 <veremit> for?
May 04 02:51:56 <diakonos> beaglebone blacke
May 04 02:52:00 <diakonos> black
May 04 02:52:30 <diakonos> LTE would work too if available
May 04 02:53:40 <veremit> I'm about to introduce my 3G dongle to the beagle .. but what application do you have?
May 04 02:54:10 <diakonos> automated irrigation for my father-in-law's farm
May 04 02:54:55 <diakonos> would you recommend a 3G dongle over a cape?
May 04 02:55:05 <veremit> depends what you're trying to do
May 04 02:55:25 <veremit> if you want a simple text/valve or solenoid application you can use a gsm modem over serial
May 04 02:55:26 <diakonos> I see yantrr electronics has a cape for the bbb in the $100 - $200 price range
May 04 02:55:37 <veremit> SMS -> water valve
May 04 02:56:03 <diakonos> I'd like to have both text & http POST/GET interfaces
May 04 02:56:29 <veremit> so you want it online?
May 04 02:56:47 <diakonos> I'd like the option to have it online yes
May 04 02:58:37 <veremit> ah the telit module.. should be safe with that ..
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