**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 26 03:00:00 2014 May 26 03:58:15 has anyone ever tried doing anything with the PRUs in the BBB? May 26 03:59:13 Yea May 26 03:59:20 how was it foreverska? May 26 03:59:53 I'm currently working on a project. It's a bit frustrating. May 26 04:01:59 I'm starting to get the hang of it though. I think most of my problems are I'm not an EE major and I'm trying to build circuits surrounding it. May 26 04:16:44 can someone help me setting up a wifi ad-hoc network in BBB. I tried adding details in the inetrface file, but not able to get an ipv6 address May 26 04:18:06 adhoc? I haven't seen that type used in nearly a decade May 26 04:19:04 But just a try to network few of the available BBB May 26 08:43:05 <_SY_> hello May 26 08:43:36 <_SY_> Can anyone help me with an eclipse remote debugging set-up problem? May 26 08:43:51 only if you ask May 26 08:44:19 <_SY_> I have followed several online guides and keep getting the same problem...beagle bone is ok, using ubuntu on PC 14.04, Eclipse Kepler... May 26 08:44:26 <_SY_> when I try to remote debug I get: May 26 08:44:51 <_SY_> Remote side has terminated connection. GDBServer will reopen the connection. May 26 08:45:01 <_SY_> Listening on port 2345 May 26 08:47:01 <_SY_> Is there anything else I can tell you to help? May 26 08:47:42 step one: try to connect to the gdbserver by hand May 26 08:47:54 <_SY_> Sorry, how? May 26 08:47:55 ie, start gdb on your host and connect it to the bone May 26 08:48:08 the gdb documentation should tell you that May 26 08:48:26 (iirc it's 'target remote ' or something like that May 26 08:51:04 <_SY_> I opened gdb, then targeted "target remote BBB1:2345" May 26 08:51:12 <_SY_> in the response: May 26 08:51:24 <_SY_> Remote debugging using BBB1:2345 May 26 08:51:40 <_SY_> warning: Architecture rejected target-supplied description May 26 08:51:53 <_SY_> Remote 'g' packet reply is too long: May 26 08:51:59 i think you have the ip/port part wrong May 26 08:52:00 <_SY_> then a long list of hex May 26 08:52:03 please check the docu May 26 08:52:26 <_SY_> I've added my IP for beagebone black to my hosts file. May 26 08:53:53 ah.. yes.. my bad, the line is correct May 26 08:54:27 https://www.google.com/search?q=Architecture+rejected+target-supplied+description May 26 08:54:34 please google more, thanks May 26 08:56:10 <_SY_> I tried installing gdb-multiarch on ubuntu, but got an error message. May 26 08:56:39 then google for that error message May 26 08:57:21 see also: http://xkcd.com/627/ May 26 08:58:43 <_SY_> When trying to install on ubuntu 14.04, sudo apt-get install gdb-multiarch, I get a message saying "Package gdb-multiarch is not available, but is referred to by another package." May 26 08:59:33 <_SY_> I've been googling all weekend to try and resolve this issue, which is why having spent lots of time trying to fix it, I came here. May 26 09:03:13 it means that the package does not exist, but some other package referneces it May 26 09:03:33 which means that the package existed at some point in time bug got removed for some reason or other May 26 09:04:01 please try: https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+gdb+arm May 26 09:04:04 <_SY_> Looks like gdb is trying to use the wrong archetecture? May 26 09:05:00 yes May 26 09:05:09 gdb needs support for the architecture you are trying to debug May 26 09:05:19 you need to tell gdb also which arch to use May 26 09:05:26 <_SY_> Should the package "gdb-arm-none-eabi" be installable using apt-get ? May 26 09:05:33 i dont know ubuntu May 26 09:05:36 so i cannot say May 26 09:05:58 <_SY_> what flavour of linux do you use for crossplatform development? May 26 09:05:58 read the pages google referes you to, try to understand them, if something is not clear, come back and ask again May 26 09:06:04 debian May 26 09:06:11 but i build most of the stuff by hand anyways May 26 09:06:22 <_SY_> I will download debian and install on virtualbox May 26 09:06:37 whether you use debian or ubuntu will not make a difference for you May 26 09:06:45 these two distros are almost the same May 26 09:06:49 <_SY_> ok May 26 09:07:01 they differ in very few packages and in their default installation settings May 26 09:07:22 <_SY_> I use to use an earlier verison of ubuntu with beaglebone black and had no problems with that, but for some reason after updating it broke May 26 09:07:55 also: if you have problems with one linux distribution that are not directly related to the distribution, then it's very likely you will have the same problems with an other distribution May 26 09:08:15 ok May 26 09:08:22 then try the ubuntu irc channel and ask there May 26 09:08:31 maybe the know more about this kind of problem May 26 09:08:47 but you need to give more information about the problem May 26 09:09:30 it's not nice to try ti worm everything out of you to get an idea what you might be doing May 26 09:09:46 <_SY_> ok, ty May 26 09:10:00 if you havent read www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html then i highly recommend that May 26 09:16:40 <_SY_> Looks like its a quite recent problem as lots of recent and similiar posts May 26 09:17:01 <_SY_> gdb-arm-none-eabi not present May 26 09:23:10 you can try to build your own toolchain using crosstool-ng May 26 09:23:44 that should be quite quick and there is a high probability it will work (unless you totally mess up the build configuration) May 26 09:25:18 hi good aftnoon to all May 26 09:25:48 <_SY_> One this leads to another and a job that was going to be quick is turining into a major hazzle May 26 09:25:58 hehe May 26 09:25:59 yes May 26 09:26:08 is any one have any idea about pru uart for am335x ??..... May 26 09:26:16 everyone thinks that emebedded linux is just like installing ubuntu on their computer May 26 09:26:39 it isn't. you actually need to understand a lot of stuff to be successfull May 26 09:27:24 have you read "embedded linux primer" by hallinan? if not, i recommend to get yourself a copy of the 2nd edition May 26 09:27:44 it will give you a good overview over the basics May 26 09:28:14 <_SY_> Not to be rude...I'm not a complete noob....I am a professional embedded software engineer, working in the offshore industry, but also a keen hobbist... May 26 09:28:25 thats not rude :) May 26 09:28:38 * KotH likes to know the background of people he is dealing with. makes helping easier May 26 09:29:01 simha: what problem are you trying to solve? May 26 09:29:55 actually am trying to interface uart using PRU for am335x.. May 26 09:30:04 simha: and why using the PRU? May 26 09:30:16 simha: why not one of the UART peripherals? May 26 09:31:31 sir it's programming is some what related to assembly language.. May 26 09:32:03 so, your goal is to learn asm programming? May 26 09:32:26 yes... May 26 09:32:44 then i would recommend to use something that is better documented than PRU May 26 09:32:52 try a pic, or one of the arduino boards May 26 09:33:11 but is any one already ported ..pls suggest me if any one did... May 26 09:33:18 the PRU documentation is barely enough if you know what it's doing. it will not be enough to learn asm May 26 09:33:25 ported what? May 26 09:33:30 and where? May 26 09:34:13 <_SY_> thanks for your help..downloading now, will give it a try. May 26 09:34:16 <_SY_> byte May 26 09:34:22 <_SY_> *bye May 26 09:34:55 suggest me if any one already worked on this quiry... May 26 09:36:14 writing an software uart is basic, anyone who knows a bit of asm can do that May 26 09:36:21 you dont need anything ported May 26 10:01:02 hello swiss troll May 26 10:01:12 KotH: where have you been May 26 10:03:45 hi all May 26 10:04:05 has anyone tried to configure spi channels? May 26 10:04:06 KotH: mransrtray was bitching about the assembler the other day, something about the most recent one being knaffed. May 26 11:15:31 j0 mrpackethead May 26 11:15:40 mrpackethead: i've been here.. mostly.. when not afk May 26 11:16:14 jo koth May 26 11:16:32 hey woglinde May 26 11:16:36 woglinde: alles klar? May 26 11:16:45 koth sure I am fine May 26 11:17:07 tinkering with our ci/cd chain May 26 11:21:34 sounds like fun May 26 11:21:40 what tool do you use? May 26 11:26:48 hello May 26 11:29:04 should i use this in building new kernel? May 26 11:29:10 CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT: May 26 11:29:22 koth jenkins and sonar of course May 26 11:30:05 woglinde: yappari! :-) May 26 11:30:06 or put another way... Patch physical to virtual translations at runtime May 26 11:30:12 woglinde: does it work well? May 26 11:30:22 woglinde: i've heard a lot of people complaining about jenkins May 26 11:30:43 dogrocket: i think you should ask that on the arm kernel ml May 26 11:30:49 dogrocket: i doubt anyone here knows the answer May 26 11:31:27 oh, nvm.. its defaulted. cant turn it off May 26 11:32:09 KotH hm hm yes there are some rough corners May 26 11:32:22 but they fixed a lot of stuff in the last biweekly releases May 26 11:32:33 koth our arm slave setup is working again May 26 11:34:55 dogrocket does the parameter has not documentation? May 26 11:35:18 normaly there is something like "if you do not know about it, leave it default" May 26 11:37:19 woglinde: good to know May 26 11:37:52 woglinde: i think would want to use something like jenkis for my stuff, but didnt want to invest time into something that is broken May 26 11:37:56 koth hm and yes the lable system is broken at the design May 26 11:38:07 :-/ May 26 11:38:15 any plans to fix that? May 26 11:38:38 you cannot do something like adding 5 arm slaves and all jobs which needs arm is running on them May 26 11:53:30 you mean to have different machines that would run all the same tests? May 26 11:56:15 <_SY_> Anyone here? May 26 11:57:05 <_SY_> KotH ? May 26 12:00:13 hi guys i have archlinux on my beaglebone running the 3.14 kernel and have the headers installed as well. I was able to build fbtft in the drivers/video directory but runninig modules_install does nothing. How should i be installing these modules? May 26 12:11:36 deluxe does modprobe work? May 26 12:12:53 deluxe247: fbtft is part of the kernel? or is that out of tree? May 26 12:13:08 deluxe247: if it's the former, then you want to build the kernel with the build system of your distro May 26 12:13:24 deluxe247: and you dont want to compile native unless you are forced at gunpoint May 26 12:13:50 oh.. ok, out of my league May 26 12:14:16 that was annoying... May 26 12:14:22 heh. May 26 12:14:45 should i enable seccomp for any special reason in my kernel build May 26 12:14:45 limechat seems to do that if I haven't typed in a while :/ May 26 12:17:42 KotH, it is out of tree. I thought that I would be able to build the module without recompiling as arch has dkms support. Archlinux-arm channel hasnt been too receptive May 26 12:26:00 the build script has option for argus cape manager... tried searching for it, dont even know what it is. anyone? May 26 12:28:53 found it, its a camera cape May 26 12:29:54 deluxe247: hmm.. then maybe compiling native might be the easiest solution May 26 12:30:08 deluxe247: unless you want to experiment with out of tree cross compilation :) May 26 12:39:35 native is easy but SLOW, and may not succeed with limited resources on the board...it's really your decision ultimately May 26 12:40:56 never tried kernel stuff onboard, but I have had some apps that run out of memory when compiling natively May 26 12:41:44 and I've had some apps that were such a bear because of build solutions that native was the only way I could figure out May 26 12:42:26 ... cmake is a bane to my existense May 26 12:44:31 so is spelling for that matter May 26 12:51:31 I added a printk in gpmc_cs_write_reg and it is writing to 0xd081c060 when it should be writing to 0x50000060, WTF? May 26 13:04:41 memory mapped register? May 26 13:08:17 thurgood: I guess? I thought kernel did rawrites to direct physical addresses and not memory mapped ones? May 26 13:11:44 upwardindex: the kernel has its own adress space May 26 13:11:59 upwardindex: but it's _not_ physical addressese May 26 13:12:18 upwardindex: you always have to convert to virtual space (and need a mapping too) May 26 13:14:02 thurgood, KotH: Ok, yes, bad assumptions about __raw_writel. The memory mapping seems fine, my problem lies elsewhere May 26 13:17:41 The trouble is that my DT says gpmc cs0 should be synchronous, I see it write the synchronous bits with printk during boot, but at the end of the boot the synchronous bits are not there anymore (or any other gpmc setting of my DT for that matter) May 26 13:25:59 either that memory map stays in cache or something else resets the values later in the boot sequence. Any other possibilities? May 26 13:35:39 the cache hypothesis seems to be invalid as this is a _nocache mapping May 26 13:36:06 without knowing a bit more about what you're doing it'd just be guessing May 26 13:37:23 can anyone help me get a kernel i have compiled installed and booting off of archlinux on my beaglebone black? May 26 13:40:14 thurgood: guessing is good, I’m simply doing a ultra simple gpmc nor configuration using dt, nothing fancy, I added printks in the kernel in gpmc_cs_write and I see the kernel setting the values of my dt, however when the boot is done and I read 0x5000006* the values are not the ones I set May 26 13:42:00 deluxe247: what is the problem? May 26 13:45:32 upwardindex, I have been able to compile a kernel fine on my laptop but when it comes to booting it i fail. i export the modules and copy them to lib/modules on my beaglebone and copy the uImage however there is no uInitrd in my boot directory. so I am not sure if that is what prevents it from booting properly or not. I was able to build a rt kernel and boot arch with that on it but that was a 3.12 kernel i believe May 26 13:46:37 deluxe247: pastebin the boot log May 26 13:47:00 or whatever comes up on serial May 26 13:47:25 I am building another kernel right now and will get it copied over. I dont have a serial cable as of yet May 26 13:47:39 am I missing anything when installing the kernel? May 26 13:50:43 does beaglebone have an rtc? May 26 13:52:28 dogrocket: not afaik May 26 13:55:06 deluxe247: debugging boot without serial is interesting time management, do you use RCN’s linux-dev for building your kernel? May 26 14:00:14 upwardindex, i followed this guide. http://wiki.beyondlogic.org/index.php/BeagleBoneBlack_Building_Kernel is there a better way to build? May 26 14:00:55 upwardindex, http://dev.ardupilot.com/wiki/building-for-beaglebone-black-on-linux/ i have used this successfully May 26 14:00:57 as well May 26 14:04:41 deluxe247: Both of your pages don’t seem to mention uEnv.txt. I suggest you give a try to this: http://adis.ca/post/debian-wheezy-beaglebone-black/ May 26 14:36:07 It appears that my kernel things gpmc_fclk is 50 MHz, wasn’t it 100 MHz back in the days? May 26 14:49:42 Section 7.1.2.2 of the TRM clearly says GPMC FCLK is 100MHz May 26 15:07:17 <_SY_> anyone here? May 26 15:09:28 * thurgood is here but not responding on demand :P May 26 15:10:27 * warsh takes the same stance as thurgood May 26 15:12:39 Anyone knows where main_clk is defined for hwmod such as gpmc? May 26 15:36:12 I’ll check 3.13, perhaps the clock is correct there May 26 15:40:37 good evening everyone May 26 15:40:43 anyone there? May 26 15:41:01 nope May 26 15:42:07 good answer! I was just getting insane trying to software reboot the beaglebone black without using the USB plugged to the pc May 26 15:42:45 anyone knows if there is any known issue with that? I would appreciate a lot if you can help me May 26 15:43:26 rather than telling people how your not connected to it... how about actually telling people how you are connected to it? May 26 15:43:41 might get a little further that way May 26 15:45:06 Thanks, Actually I am connected to the beaglebone black through ethernet+ssh (with debian distro). The issue appears when I try to reboot the bblack using "reboot" command. May 26 15:45:37 ahh, thats better :) now i can tell you i have had the same issue with "sudo reboot" May 26 15:45:44 it throw me out from the ssh session while it does not reboot at all May 26 15:45:52 it says its going down for a reboot but dosnt actually reboot May 26 15:46:06 ahh mine dosnt even throw me out of ssh May 26 15:46:26 im using putty on win7 May 26 15:46:26 works fine in debian on mine May 26 15:46:43 foreverska: yea mine did work for a while, then stopped May 26 15:47:17 i dont have a serial debug yet or the patience to search more into it May 26 15:47:41 Kirsath: do you have a serial debug cable? might tell you why its not rebooting May 26 15:48:24 yes I have one May 26 15:48:50 no sorry, not for the bblack May 26 15:50:14 it depends, sometimes does not reboot and I can still be in the ssh session, and sometimes happens what I described before. May 26 15:50:45 when it happens, if I connect the bblack to the pc through usb, it reboots May 26 15:52:20 my best, reasonably uneducated guess is that theres some process getting stuck May 26 15:52:54 but without being able to see the debug info tehres no way to know May 26 15:54:23 I might be able to make one with a usb-RS-232 ftdi. Is there any place with the cable schematics? May 26 15:55:38 google probably has the info you want.... as for me its bed time :) May 26 15:59:14 Ok Dan1 thanks for your help May 26 16:11:13 Quite a challenge to find where clock frequencies are defined! May 26 16:15:11 Basically clk_get_rate(gpmc_l3_clk); gives 50M which means that all gpmc timings are miscalculated May 26 16:15:27 in gpmc.c May 26 17:49:47 Could my beaglebone be running in OPP50 mode? May 26 17:52:03 That thing seems to be only for suspend May 26 17:52:22 Other than that I can’t figure out why L3S would be 50 MHz May 26 17:53:43 Hi everyone, does anyone with knowledge about the bblack to talk about a few seconds? May 26 17:54:05 I would appreciate it a lot! May 26 17:56:24 Kirsath: just describe your issue, and wait patiently for a response... May 26 17:58:41 Kirsath: just ask May 26 17:58:48 Thanks vagrantc. I have a beaglebone black connected through ethernet and powered by DC supply... The issue appears when I try to reboot the bblack using the typical "reboot" bash commad. It does not work or stucks the bblack. It just works when I connect the bblack using usb to the computer May 26 17:59:17 sometimes, it just does not even do anything when I try the reboot command May 26 17:59:26 whats the power specs on the power supply? May 26 17:59:43 I do not know if it is a known issue... i am using the debian distro May 26 17:59:48 Kirsath: what about “shutdown -r now” ? May 26 17:59:48 5v@2A May 26 17:59:55 same thing May 26 18:00:06 Kirsath: do you have a serial log? May 26 18:00:14 yep May 26 18:00:22 I have just made one May 26 18:00:23 pastebin it? May 26 18:00:27 ok May 26 18:03:14 Hi, I'm trying to connect an electret mic to beagle bone black's analog input and read the values. Has anybody done this before? I'm stuck. It would be great if I can get some links May 26 18:04:25 here you are: http://pastebin.com/pd7BQWvy May 26 18:04:49 hello. I have a beaglebone black, and after entering the `reset` command in u-boot it said "resetting ...", then started printing "C" characters, and it's been like this for a few minutes already. Is that normal? May 26 18:05:17 after that, the bblacks just do not work (stucks and does not allow communication) May 26 18:05:31 unplug the power and repower it May 26 18:06:00 terceiro: that sounds similar to when i had a corrupt fat partition May 26 18:06:02 I've got the repeated C's a few times, replugging the power always works for me May 26 18:06:51 I tried taking the power off, but when I plug it on again I just get more C's May 26 18:06:55 terceiro: i booted from an SD card and ran fsck.vfat on the device, and that fixed it. May 26 18:07:06 how long did you wait? May 26 18:07:24 it's been like 10 minutes or so May 26 18:07:41 oh, yeah if that was the problem I had a few seconds is plenty May 26 18:07:47 what if I corrupted the VFAT partition on the emmc? May 26 18:07:52 Kirsath: I'm sorry I was not very clear before. I can read the values, but it seems my wiring is incorrect. I saw many tutorials showing how to interface a mic with arduino. I can't get it working. Though the procudure would be really similar, it would have been helpful to see a video/blog describing someone doing it with BBB May 26 18:08:19 reflash the boot partions May 26 18:08:47 * vagrantc wonders if people are correctly tracking the three different threads of conversation May 26 18:08:51 lonesword: what analog input, directly to the headers? May 26 18:09:11 And now I'm using an ampifier with the electret mic. The problem is, its output is supposed to go to a speaker. How would I connect it to BBB? One wire would go to an analog input. What about the other wire? Not the ground since I read that it would damage the amplifier May 26 18:09:28 thurgood_: Yes. Sound from an electret mic. May 26 18:10:11 thurgood_: I'm trying to use a preamp. But I do not know how to wire the outputs. The preamp's output was designed to go to a speaker. (electronics/electrical newbie here) May 26 18:10:13 Kirsath: what version of the OS are you running? some slightly out of date Debian images had that problem... thought it was fixed in the newer versions. May 26 18:11:55 vagrantc: I am using BeagleBone Debian Image 2014-03-27 May 26 18:12:38 Kirsath: you'll want a newer image: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images May 26 18:13:48 vagrantc: thanks! I will try now with that image, might be the solution to my issue. I will let you know... May 26 18:14:32 may not want to amp the input, probably want that on the output, otherwise you'll wind up with crappy audio samples when converted to digital May 26 18:15:19 unless it's too low to properly sample in the first place May 26 18:15:39 thurgood_: Actually, I don't care about the quality. I'm trying to locate the direction of arrival of sound using a few microphones. May 26 18:15:52 terceiro: sounds like you need to boot off of SD card and either run fsck on the fat partition, or reflash it. May 26 18:15:52 Back in the 3.2 days, the bone would not run at 720 MHz on usb power, is that still the case? (I’m on usb and cpufreq-info says 720MHz) May 26 18:16:01 vagrantc: ok, thanks May 26 18:16:25 I think the black caps out at 800 on usb power May 26 18:16:40 thurgood_: On the output? I don't get you. The electret mic produces a signal in the 20 milli volts range. That's too low. The pre amp is supposed to amplify it right? And the output of the preamp is given to the analog pins May 26 18:18:28 don't you have wiring schematics for the pre-amp May 26 18:19:35 thurgood_: Yes. Its a locally made preamp, so nothing on the net. It did come with a slip though. That's another story : http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/111969/understanding-a-circuit-diagram/111980?noredirect=1#111980 May 26 18:21:03 thurgood_: In the picture, the 'blue wires' are supposed to go to the speaker. But as I just discovered, the preamp does not power the electret mic. How silly of me. May 26 18:21:49 thurgood_: I'll try again with the mics powered separately. I still wonder where one of the blue wires would go in the BBB (the other one goes to the analog pin) May 26 18:22:56 if the blue wires go to the speaker, chances are that's your audio signal that yo uwant going to the analog pins May 26 18:23:51 thurgood_: Analog pins? Multiple pins? Say one blue wire goes to analog pin 1, where would the other one go? Ground? May 26 18:24:33 There was a discussion describing why the other end should not be grounded here : http://www.head-fi.org/t/118924/why-dont-you-have-to-use-a-ground-lead-for-speaker-wire May 26 18:40:50 thurgood_: Thanks a lot. Got to go :) May 26 20:12:52 Hi I had vnc working and then I added a password to root. Now x11vnc does not start on boot and I cannot get vnc to work. When I get the viewer open, the desktop wallpaper is visible and a login screen says connecting automatically and it just hangs. I tried setting up the server with a password, but the locked up login screen is as close as I get to working no matter what I try. May 26 20:15:44 Hello? Are any of you people real? Does anyone actually chat in chat rooms? May 26 20:16:20 Maybe no one has input on your problem... May 26 20:18:54 OK, thanks. Then does anyone know how to go back to no root login password required to log in? I.e. you just hit return at password prompt? I tried changing the password using return and error message output saying no password entered. \n changes the password to \n, LOL! May 26 20:19:30 reflash it? May 26 20:23:12 Yes, I can always reflash. This seems like a trivial thing. It would be disappointing to know that after 25 years, the only solution to this Linux problem is to punt. May 26 20:27:17 you could try removing the x from the root line in /etc/passwd May 26 20:31:26 why you need vnc? use ssh and off you go May 26 20:42:24 mjardes! Thanks! I did that, rebooted and that got me in without needing pw. Ran ps -e and saw x11vnc running...then I was able to connect! Awesome!! May 26 20:48:53 <__butch__> I have a question about the Debian images for BBB. Is there any reason to believe that one cannot use the eMMC image for the BBB to run off SD? May 26 20:49:20 What's the point? May 26 20:52:20 <__butch__> Ummmm, the point is that I have the eMMC image copied to a 16GB SD card, and then I flash the eMMC, but I'd really like to run of the 16GB card so that I have a butt-ton more space. May 26 20:52:43 Then just burn the debian image for SD cards onto it May 26 20:53:47 <__butch__> I understand that I can do that. But the question remains, can I run the eMMC image off the SD card? May 26 20:54:15 I think you've misunderstood... May 26 20:54:36 <__butch__> That wouldn't surprise me. :-) May 26 20:54:39 There is a debian image that runs directly off the SD card and does not flash the eMMC. May 26 20:54:59 <__butch__> OK, let's examine a bit of that sentence. May 26 20:55:11 <__butch__> What exactly does "does not flash the eMMC" mean? May 26 20:55:25 <__butch__> Does that mean it does not flash the eMMC all by itself, without my intervention? May 26 20:55:45 <__butch__> Or does it mean "is an image that is not capable of being flashed to the eMMC in any way?" May 26 20:55:51 It never flashes the eMMC. Doesn't even have the tool from all I can tell. May 26 20:56:01 aside from dd of course May 26 20:56:12 <__butch__> See, there's the bit I was unsure of. May 26 20:56:34 Which image are you using? May 26 20:56:50 <__butch__> Is the only difference between the two images the bit that it doesn't have code to copy itself to eMMC when the boot button is pressed during power application? May 26 20:57:11 <__butch__> Sorry, I'm relatively new here, and am stupid as well, so you'll need to type slowly and loudly for me to be able to understand. May 26 20:57:41 Also that it defaults to booting off the SD card when it is plugged in. May 26 20:57:49 <__butch__> I am running the flashable image from an SD card. May 26 20:58:03 <__butch__> The problem that I'm having is that the BBB rev C kernel panics after about 10 minutes. May 26 20:58:10 http://beagleboard.org/latest-images/ May 26 20:58:20 "BeagleBone (Runs on BeagleBone Black as well without flashing the eMMC)" May 26 20:58:22 <__butch__> I initially thought it was the SD card, but I've tried three, and they all exhibit the same behavior. May 26 20:58:26 that last bit is important May 26 20:59:00 <__butch__> Soooooo, my next thought was that maybe there was something inherent to the eMMC image that wouldn't allow it to run from SD. May 26 20:59:07 <__butch__> Hence my question. May 26 21:00:35 I'm not even sure how you got an image of what's on the eMMC. The images under the "BeagleBone Black" section are hallowed out OSes meant to flash the eMMC. May 26 21:01:21 <__butch__> Stop before my head explodes. May 26 21:01:52 <__butch__> Are you saying that the eMMC images are not fully capable OSes that can run? They're just to flash the eMMC? May 26 21:02:12 They do run but you're not meant to use them that way. May 26 21:02:28 Every time you boot under one of those images it's flashing the eMMC. May 26 21:03:13 <__butch__> That probably explains the behavior then. :-) May 26 21:04:28 <__butch__> ^sytem^system^ May 26 21:04:37 <__butch__> Thank you. That clears up a whole lot for me. May 26 21:04:47 short and sweet: If you want to run off the SD card flash the "beaglebone" images May 26 21:04:57 not the "beaglebone black" May 26 21:05:53 <__butch__> Yeah, pretty much got that now. Thank you. Makes much more sense. May 26 21:06:41 Since you're new I'm going to throw this out there just in case: To get your full 16gigs you will need to resize the rootfs. May 26 21:06:52 <__butch__> Yepper. May 26 21:06:56 kk May 26 21:07:18 <__butch__> I'm actually not that new. I just wanted to make sure you didn't assume I already knew something that I didn't. :-) May 26 21:08:24 <__butch__> And, as this conversation showed, I didn't understand the implementation of the images. So, thank you for sorting all that out! May 26 21:08:26 lol it's alright. I just learned to do all this the other day because my project requires disabling the eMMC. May 26 21:12:20 <__butch__> While we were talking I downloaded the proper image, dd'ed it, booted, resized the FS, and rebooted again. Now we'll see if it stays up longer than 10 minutes. :-) May 26 21:34:54 Hello May 26 21:34:55 How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying just to be told I am not what they are looking for or they are not hiring. May 26 22:43:09 anyone know if the new debian 7.5 for beagle already has a system management app or should i use systemd? May 26 23:15:30 how long does it normally take to flash emmc? i been waiting 5 minutes May 26 23:15:36 45 May 26 23:15:57 oh... thats a while May 26 23:38:17 Hi May 26 23:38:25 Anyone here? May 26 23:38:48 Everyone here is a bot. Including yourself. May 26 23:38:51 nope, no one May 26 23:39:11 ask a stupid question .... May 26 23:39:35 lol May 26 23:40:32 So can I create a functional day to day use computer for surfing the web with beagle bone black? May 26 23:40:42 Thats my stupid question as a noob May 26 23:41:09 Can you live on 1GHz and a gig(?) of ram? May 26 23:41:24 and 2G of "hard disk" May 26 23:41:35 Can't you get an external hard drive? May 26 23:41:38 or even a massive "4" May 26 23:41:38 Well now he could use a SD card... May 26 23:41:44 true ... May 26 23:42:13 You could use an external but you only have USB2.0 May 26 23:42:23 meaning? May 26 23:42:39 the web page refreshes are pretty slow if you run at 1080p May 26 23:42:40 sloooowish May 26 23:42:42 USB2.0 will feel slower than a 500lbs man uphill May 26 23:43:17 better than on the Pi ;) May 26 23:43:42 How slow is web browsing really? May 26 23:44:07 I would NEVER use my beagle as a daily. A parlor trick, sure but not my daily. May 26 23:44:28 So its not possible to make it faster? I thought the new c can go much faster May 26 23:44:52 the revc has more emmc space May 26 23:44:57 <.< the ONE ghz processor May 26 23:45:21 the black already had a 1GHz processor if you don't use usb for power May 26 23:45:35 i knwo I sound like a complete noob (because I am) but can you hook 2 together to get double the speed? May 26 23:46:27 lol no except in very special cases. May 26 23:47:14 only if you're making a huge video wall and pre-divide the media May 26 23:47:17 So there is no way to get beagle board to teh point for acceptable daily use? May 26 23:47:45 Maybe for your grandmother but not for any serious use. May 26 23:47:47 depends on your definition of usable I suppose May 26 23:48:04 if you lower display res it will help some May 26 23:48:32 it's handling all the drawing in the main mcu unit with most of the kernels out there May 26 23:48:51 Are any single board computers able to do normal daily usuage? May 26 23:49:09 sure, but they're bigger and more expensive May 26 23:49:58 care to tell me of teh ones you speak of? May 26 23:50:01 you can get i5/7's in an sbc form factor... gonna cost about 500+ for the board and cpu only May 26 23:50:35 I'd come close to trying to daily on a A13-Olinuxo. That atleast has a GPU. May 26 23:51:08 sbc, just means it is a single board without a bunch of peripherals hanging off of it via pci/etc May 26 23:52:14 look for mini-itx computer May 26 23:52:17 loads around May 26 23:52:23 are yo ulimiting yourself to arm, or are there any restrictions to what you're looking for? May 26 23:52:36 like an intel NUC? May 26 23:52:47 could try the minnowboard max ? May 26 23:52:52 #minnowboard May 26 23:55:56 @thurgood I just need it to load quickly and be able to browse and possibly upload files. As I said before acceptable daily use. May 26 23:56:11 Thanks for the suggestions so far May 26 23:59:26 What about ODROID-U3? May 27 00:01:10 get a tablet May 27 00:01:29 or cheap notebook May 27 00:02:19 I was actually impressed a little when I looked up that ODROID May 27 00:04:05 How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying just to be told I am not what they are looking for or they are not hiring. May 27 00:04:26 welcome to Youth Unemployment. May 27 00:04:27 the 0droid-u3 looks pretty powerful for the price May 27 00:04:49 LLKCKfan: What have you been doing for the past decade? May 27 00:05:08 lol May 27 00:05:16 Being used by family May 27 00:06:09 I can't imagine a situation in which you don't get a job for 22 years and the parents are cool with it. May 27 00:06:43 get married young and raise kids.. lots of people still do that May 27 00:07:20 I guess what really matters is your skillset May 27 00:08:46 I have none May 27 00:08:56 THen get one. May 27 00:10:03 Find a community college or other community education service and get trained in something you are interested in doing, and others are interested in paying you to do. May 27 00:10:12 Then, go get paid to do it. May 27 00:10:19 It is that simple, end of story. May 27 00:11:30 I started my career at about 35, it's doable May 27 00:12:40 I had other insignificant jobs in the meantime, but not directly related to my current path May 27 00:15:31 looks like that 0droid-u3 has a 1.7 GHz quad core on it.... probably do ok as a day to day machine, even though it doesn't have any great I/O ports for disk access May 27 00:17:58 What I am really looking for in regards to teh technicals of an ok day to day board? May 27 00:18:08 Ghz and what else? May 27 00:18:22 it does have an emmc plug though May 27 00:19:15 Ram? I wouldn't survive on that board because I idle at 5 gigs of ram. May 27 00:20:01 you probably want more ram than the beaglebone has to offer, it's plenty for embedded work at 512MB, but probably nt enough for anything much more May 27 00:21:08 What about teh MarsBoard RK3066? May 27 00:21:24 has 1.6ghz May 27 00:21:24 hi! its not clear for me if I should/could intsall debian on bbb rev b? May 27 00:21:39 absolutely hsuh May 27 00:21:56 and the MarsBoard RK3066 has GPU as well May 27 00:22:33 I rate that as best one yet beaglenoob May 27 00:26:29 foreverska: but how? i have to built it? May 27 00:26:35 beaglebone has a gpu ... recent kernels (past 3.2) just don't use it :/ May 27 00:26:57 hsuh: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images/ May 27 00:27:25 hsuh: there are images available for debian May 27 00:27:26 crazy i didnt find this from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Official_BeagleBoard.org_Images_for_shipping_with_BeagleBone_Black May 27 00:27:29 thanks May 27 00:29:33 is any of those images something like a live cD? May 27 00:29:35 flasher? May 27 00:30:21 The ones under Beaglebone run off the SD. The ones under BBB flash the eMMC May 27 00:30:47 so a good algorithm would be to test using the first, and the second one if it works May 27 00:31:28 I guess... May 27 00:40:12 in the directions to create new kernel it has this in uEnv.txt and i supposed to uncomment that so i can boot from emmc flash? May 27 00:40:38 #optargs= May 27 00:40:39 #mmcroot=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro May 27 00:40:39 #mmcrootfstype=ext4 rootwait fixrtc May 27 00:41:23 err and ami i rather May 27 01:00:37 anyone have a current uEnv.txt for booting debian from emmc ? May 27 01:01:58 probably, let boot up the one I haven't androidified yet May 27 01:07:39 mine uses a uuid for the flash rather than relying on the order in which mmc is recognized, which is a good way to do it May 27 01:08:28 but may not help you if your don't have a rev c board May 27 01:09:33 without using the uuid, mmcblkXp2 can have a different value for the X depending on whether you boot with micro SD installed or not May 27 01:18:50 yep i have a rev c... ive got everything set up on sd card but im not sure my uEnv.txt file is right to force it to flash May 27 01:19:55 pull out the sd and see if it boots May 27 01:20:29 then you can chek the uuid and insert it into the uEnv.txt if you so desire May 27 01:20:30 it does but its old debian precompiled May 27 01:20:59 the uEnv.txt is very simple in boot directory May 27 01:22:47 optargs=run_hardware_test quiet May 27 01:23:08 is there another uEnv.txt? May 27 01:24:56 lol... there is another uEnv its in /media/BEAGLEBONE and all it has is optargs=quiet drm.debug=7 May 27 01:25:36 should be in /boot/uEnv.txt May 27 01:25:49 im gonna get his latest debian .gz and unpack it and see what uEnv says there... should make it work by duplicating May 27 01:31:02 meh the barcodes on my boards have rubbed off the label in less than a week May 27 01:35:30 fuck May 27 01:35:30 fuck May 27 01:35:30 fuck May 27 01:35:30 fuck May 27 01:35:31 fuck May 27 01:35:31 fuck May 27 01:35:33 fuck May 27 01:35:35 fuck May 27 01:35:37 fuck May 27 01:35:39 fuck May 27 01:35:41 fuck May 27 01:35:42 fuck May 27 01:35:45 fuck May 27 01:35:47 fuck May 27 01:35:51 fuck May 27 01:35:53 fuck May 27 01:35:55 fuck May 27 01:35:57 fuck May 27 01:35:59 fuck May 27 01:36:03 fuck May 27 01:36:05 fuck May 27 01:36:07 fuck May 27 01:36:09 fuck May 27 01:36:11 fuck May 27 01:36:13 fuck May 27 01:36:15 fuck May 27 01:36:17 fuck May 27 01:36:21 fuck May 27 01:36:23 fuck May 27 01:36:25 fuck May 27 01:36:27 fuck May 27 01:36:29 fuck May 27 01:36:31 fuck May 27 01:36:37 fuck May 27 01:36:41 fuck May 27 01:36:43 fuck May 27 01:36:43 ... the joys of /ignore May 27 01:36:45 fuck May 27 01:36:47 fuck May 27 01:36:53 fuck May 27 01:36:55 fuck May 27 01:36:57 fuck May 27 01:36:59 fuck May 27 01:37:01 fuck May 27 01:37:03 fuck May 27 01:37:05 fuck May 27 01:37:07 fuck May 27 01:37:09 fuck May 27 01:37:11 fuck May 27 01:37:15 fuck May 27 01:37:17 fuck May 27 01:37:21 fuck May 27 01:37:23 fuck May 27 01:37:25 fuck May 27 01:37:27 fuck May 27 01:37:29 fuck May 27 01:37:31 fuck May 27 01:37:33 fuck May 27 01:37:35 fuck May 27 01:37:37 fuck May 27 01:37:38 fuck May 27 01:37:40 fuck May 27 01:37:42 fuck May 27 01:37:44 fuck May 27 01:37:46 fuck May 27 01:37:50 fuck May 27 01:37:53 fuck May 27 01:37:55 fuck May 27 01:37:57 fuck May 27 01:37:59 fuck May 27 01:38:01 fuck May 27 01:38:03 fuck May 27 01:38:05 fuck May 27 01:38:07 fuck May 27 01:38:09 fuck May 27 01:38:11 fuck May 27 01:38:30 /ignore anondawg May 27 01:38:32 :) May 27 01:38:49 It is giving an unknown command when trying to ignore May 27 01:39:15 "/ignore anondawg all" May 27 01:39:34 he's gone anyway, but it may be a client exxtension May 27 01:40:50 I am using pidgin. Looks like there are some issues already with people wanting the feature May 27 01:42:00 If you sent the command to freenode why would it be up to pidgin? May 27 01:42:29 no idea, doesn't pass along unknown commands or something: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/11294, https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/4760 May 27 01:42:32 it's intercepted before it goes to freenode May 27 01:42:56 That's a mark of a poorly made IRC. lol May 27 01:43:06 I only have these commands :( - http://i.imgur.com/cxJIrD7.png May 27 01:43:23 get you some XChat. We atleast don't have that problem. May 27 01:44:14 MLM: right click on the user and ignore works :) May 27 01:44:20 where in the cpu doco for the AM3359 can i find the current sink capabilities of the GPIO pins? May 27 01:44:23 * Dan1 also uses pidgin May 27 01:44:57 no, get weechat May 27 01:45:01 Dan1: Thanks, I saw the ignore but was unsure if that ignored the whole group because adding a IRC group in Pidgin is a bit weird May 27 01:45:09 nah just use telnet May 27 01:45:10 and bitlbee May 27 01:52:38 <_av500_> use a teletype in your bedroom May 27 01:52:48 <_av500_> it even wakes you up May 27 02:10:01 foreverska: got debian now rootfs is 97% used :) am i supposed to just mount my home in the flash card? May 27 02:10:32 you flashed it to the eMMC? May 27 02:10:51 yep, the flasher was the one that worked... maybe i didnt do the first image right May 27 02:12:11 Well working from the eMMC your only option is to put your data on the SDcard in whatever way if you need extra room. May 27 02:14:44 that or put debian on a diet May 27 02:14:45 i can try having the emmc empty and run from the tfcard if that would work better... the documentation is quite spread at the moment May 27 02:15:20 Personally I have a big SDcard and I disabled the eMMC. May 27 02:17:01 nice, you mean disabling in the fstab sense? or some hw jumper? May 27 02:17:15 uEnv May 27 02:17:34 blowtorch of course May 27 02:25:20 How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying just to be told I am not what they are looking for or they are not hiring. May 27 02:27:55 dunno, I got mine by accident and still working there happily May 27 02:28:17 do worthwhile stuff to point to and get noticed May 27 02:59:43 2/cl May 27 02:59:48 whoops **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 27 02:59:58 2014