**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 05 02:59:58 2014
Jun 05 03:16:33 <bugsly> anyone here using the RAW boot option for AM335x on BBB (instead of MLO from FAT)?
Jun 05 03:32:11 <bugsly> no takers?
Jun 05 03:32:41 <bugsly> perhaps you can direct me to a more appropriate forum if no?
Jun 05 04:14:15 <_av500_> raw like sushi
Jun 05 04:29:25 <ducati> Is beaglebone black has internal bootloader and ROM?
Jun 05 05:17:53 <av500> yes
Jun 05 06:55:40 <nii> Hi everyone, I have a simple question, I have a BeagleBoard Black, I got the bash on my pc using puTTY, and I'd like to transfert files between my pc and the board, I can I do ? Thanks for answering :)
Jun 05 06:56:19 <av500> zmodem
Jun 05 06:56:27 <av500> or something like that over the UART
Jun 05 06:59:44 <nii> okay thanks av500, I'm checking how can I use the commands and I'll try
Jun 05 07:00:58 <av500> or use the usb
Jun 05 07:01:00 <av500> or ethernet
Jun 05 07:02:49 <nii> I can't find the USB in /dev, should it be in /dev/sdax ? Because It doesn't exist (while I'm using the USB with PuTTY)
Jun 05 07:03:31 <av500> BBB does usb ethernet as far as I know
Jun 05 07:03:37 <tbr> just use network. SCP or such
Jun 05 07:03:40 <av500> so you should be able to login
Jun 05 07:03:48 <tbr> or as you are on wintendo: WinSCP
Jun 05 07:03:48 <av500> and scp orso
Jun 05 07:09:51 <nii> I'll try with the WinSCP so :p hope it works
Jun 05 07:12:01 <nii> Oh that's nice, very easy to use
Jun 05 07:12:07 <nii> thank you all ;)
Jun 05 07:28:40 <omar> hi
Jun 05 07:28:54 <omar> people !
Jun 05 07:31:45 <omar> can any one help me ?
Jun 05 07:35:42 <trig> Can any one tell me how to learn more about kernel programming on beagle board
Jun 05 07:37:00 <av500> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/lkmpg.html
Jun 05 07:37:09 <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+kernel+programming
Jun 05 07:37:25 <av500> BBB runs linux
Jun 05 07:37:40 <av500> only a few things are specific to the beagle
Jun 05 07:38:23 <trig> Thank you av500
Jun 05 07:39:02 <tbr> fast service :)
Jun 05 08:01:32 <woglinde> tbr yes he was lucky
Jun 05 08:07:22 <fzombie> finally got my wifi working with my beaglebone black. I've always been a plug-in wire guy but running out of ports on my router
Jun 05 08:10:31 <sachin> Hi All, I am trying to understand where does uSD MBR get read in mmc driver inside kernel. Any clue which file I should clue ?
Jun 05 08:11:07 <av500> not at all
Jun 05 08:11:14 <av500> the mmc driver does not care about the MBR
Jun 05 08:11:27 <av500> it treats every block the same
Jun 05 08:11:47 <av500> its the filesystem layer that reads the MBR
Jun 05 08:12:00 <av500> looking for a partition table
Jun 05 08:13:18 <sachin> Oh ok. Thanks a lot. So kernel doesnt read MBR. so it just mount mmcblk0 and then file system founds mmc so it checks MBR and then mount partition ? am I right > Please correct.
Jun 05 08:13:41 <av500> the kernel does read mbr
Jun 05 08:13:41 <woglinde> -> its the filesystem layer
Jun 05 08:13:50 <av500> since the filesystem is a kernel thing
Jun 05 08:13:56 <woglinde> filesystem layer is in the kernel
Jun 05 08:14:03 <woglinde> its not hurd
Jun 05 08:15:43 <sachin> Ok at what point file system trigger to read MBR like after mmc_bus_probe mmc drivers add disk and then it starts SD Command Flow
Jun 05 08:16:36 <woglinde>  out of curiosity why do you want to know it?
Jun 05 08:17:50 <fzombie> wow all 3 wifi cards i try stop working after a while
Jun 05 08:17:53 <woglinde> understanding the beagle bootprocess?
Jun 05 08:17:54 <fzombie> i think my bbb is cursed
Jun 05 08:18:03 <woglinde> fzombie usb?
Jun 05 08:18:07 <fzombie> ya
Jun 05 08:18:15 <woglinde> hehe musb hell
Jun 05 08:18:32 <sachin> I wanted to check if my sd card is inserted, its partitions are mounted. out of that if my one partition is encrypted which I wanted to check by re reading MBR
Jun 05 08:18:32 <fzombie> its the only usb device on the bbb
Jun 05 08:19:41 <av500> cat /proc/partitions
Jun 05 08:19:51 <woglinde> df -h
Jun 05 08:20:19 <av500> im sure you can have some udev triggers on sd being mounted
Jun 05 08:21:51 <sachin> cat /proc/partitions or df -h gives me list of paritions which are mounted. But I wanted to understand in kernel or file system where does this process happens
Jun 05 08:22:02 <woglinde> why?
Jun 05 08:22:02 <av500> well
Jun 05 08:22:13 <av500> there are books about the linux kernel
Jun 05 08:22:17 <av500> explaining all the subsystems
Jun 05 08:22:26 <woglinde> they are to old
Jun 05 08:22:33 <av500> reading MBR is older
Jun 05 08:22:49 <sachin> Ok long path suggestion.
Jun 05 08:23:15 <av500> linux/fs
Jun 05 08:23:53 <sachin> Ok Cool. Thanks. I will go through it, will come up with good questions. Thanks for sharing knowledge.
Jun 05 08:24:39 <av500> block/ actually
Jun 05 08:24:46 <av500> partition-generic.c
Jun 05 08:25:48 <av500> unsigned char *read_dev_sector(struct block_device *bdev, sector_t n, Sector *p)
Jun 05 08:44:48 <Abhishek1> and has a "unibody aluminium extruded casing" :P
Jun 05 08:45:12 <Abhishek1> oops, wrong channel :P
Jun 05 08:45:51 <av500> you mean an Altoid tin?
Jun 05 08:46:15 <foreverska> Those are extruded...
Jun 05 08:46:31 <foreverska> Unless you are buying rich people Altoids
Jun 05 08:47:33 <av500> I'm buying SMINTs
Jun 05 09:21:16 <sachin> If I have one partition in uSD card, If I umount /media/PART1. And then I have not physically removed uSD card. And did mount /dev/mmcblk0 /media/PART1. Will this trigger block device level re-initialization or MBR read again.
Jun 05 09:41:16 <av500> no
Jun 05 10:03:35 <__av500__> arf
Jun 05 10:43:35 <lee> does anybody know if ALL element14 BBBs have a 4GB eMMC?
Jun 05 10:48:17 <sachin> @av500 : after your pointer to *read_dev_sector, I just browsed code in reverse to call and found that there is ioctl for BLKRRPART, which internally read MBR
Jun 05 10:48:53 <sachin> I wrote one ioctl rest code for BLKRRPART and it works. It read MBR and every ioctl
Jun 05 10:49:43 <sachin> but I am doing umount so looks I have to umount for sd card before executing test.
Jun 05 11:29:51 <nii> Hi everyone, I try to understand how can I use a Debian img on a SDcard and boot my BeaggleBoard Black on it, WITHOUT flashing the eMMC (so I want to keep the angstrom system on it)
Jun 05 11:30:41 <nii> I got this image of debian http://beagleboard.org/latest-images/  (the one with the "Runs on BeagleBone Black as well without flashing the eMMC" indication)
Jun 05 11:31:55 <nii> Is simply using win32 diskimager with my SDcard enough ?
Jun 05 11:34:14 <nii> Actually I don't know how to be sure the SDcard won't flash to the eMMC when I'll put in it
Jun 05 11:42:01 <Abhishek1> nii: if the image file name does not mention "flasher", then you are safe
Jun 05 12:06:08 <nii> Thanks you Abhishek1, I go for it :)
Jun 05 14:12:29 <aef> hey. how do i make my beaglebone black boot from MicroSD?
Jun 05 14:12:52 <tbr> by holding down the button
Jun 05 14:12:59 <tbr> or nuking MLO on the emmc
Jun 05 14:13:11 <aef> which of the three buttons?
Jun 05 14:13:26 <tbr> that's documented, did you try reading the docs?
Jun 05 14:13:52 <aef> i was looking for docs about that, but didn't find anything specific
Jun 05 14:14:01 <tbr> check the SRM
Jun 05 14:14:34 <aef> what is SRM?
Jun 05 14:14:46 <tbr> system reference manual
Jun 05 14:15:52 <aef> thanks. that looks promising
Jun 05 15:04:25 <fzombie> I'm having problems with wifi dropping out after a few minutes on one wifi device, and having wifi have massive packet loss and high ping  >350ms problems on another. I'm wondering if anyone uses a wifi device and if so how is it set up?
Jun 05 15:06:29 <fzombie> or if there is a specific wifi device known to work well compared to others
Jun 05 15:07:18 <woglinde> fzombie again looks like musb problems and you cannt do anything against it
Jun 05 15:07:44 <fzombie> so every single wifi device will be problematic?
Jun 05 15:07:49 <woglinde> and of course problems in the wifi usb drivers
Jun 05 15:07:56 <fzombie> i see people using wifi all the time on youtube
Jun 05 15:08:06 <woglinde> yes but not on arm
Jun 05 15:08:18 <woglinde> and not on the beagle
Jun 05 15:09:32 <fzombie> strange that so many people report using the bbb with wifi just fine
Jun 05 15:12:55 <fzombie> wifi is working 100% fantastic on the android image
Jun 05 15:13:00 <fzombie> just not debian =(
Jun 05 15:53:22 <woglinde> fzombie than use the android kernel and the android wifi drivers
Jun 05 15:53:48 <woglinde> and disable binder and all the other android stuff
Jun 05 17:39:10 <SoFLy> I'm not asking if there is a way for it to speed up, but I am curious typically how long a customer waits for a BBB to show up after ordering
Jun 05 17:47:33 <_av500_> depends
Jun 05 18:14:03 <__butch__> Silly question time, since it's probably in a FAQ somewhere: Is there any way to manually re-enumerate the USB bus?  I know hot plug works for shit, but can I manually force a device to be recognized?
Jun 05 18:52:33 <thurgood> other than rebooting?
Jun 05 19:08:57 <__butch__> Yes, other than rebooting.  :-)
Jun 05 19:22:46 <thefinn93> is there a good headless image for the beaglebone black?
Jun 05 19:25:17 <woglinde> thefinn93 start with cloud and remove one package after another
Jun 05 19:25:40 <thefinn93> cloud? is that the default?
Jun 05 19:25:48 <woglinde> yes
Jun 05 19:25:53 <thefinn93> okay
Jun 05 19:27:32 <thefinn93> Configuring angstrom-gdm-autologin-hack.
Jun 05 19:27:36 <thefinn93> found one package to go!
Jun 05 19:27:45 <thefinn93> i plugged it in and ran updates...
Jun 05 19:58:41 <thefinn93> how do i open up ssh from the ethernet connection?
Jun 05 20:01:44 <ds2> very carefully
Jun 05 20:02:06 <thefinn93> :/
Jun 05 20:02:10 <thefinn93> what is blocking it?
Jun 05 20:02:19 <thefinn93> i dont see anything in iptables or ssh_config
Jun 05 20:12:40 <thefinn93> oh hmm i restarted dropbear with eth0 plugged in, now i can ssh in through that
Jun 05 20:51:17 <diegochaverri26> Hi beagle board community
Jun 05 20:52:29 <diegochaverri26> I came here looking for some hints on how to build gstreamer and TI's plugins for the Beagle Board XM using Yocto
Jun 05 20:53:09 <diegochaverri26> I found very few resources and Yocto for a newbie can become a headache...any hint is much appreciated. Thanks
Jun 05 21:29:53 <thurgood> diegochaverri26: does your distro have a package system.. I would suggest using it rather than building if you can
Jun 05 21:55:00 <diegochaverri26> thurgood: What do you mean by package system? I'm trying to using the poky dylan branch
Jun 05 21:55:31 <thurgood> such as opkg, apt, etc
Jun 05 21:57:16 <diegochaverri26> thurgood: Actually I need to build it to add some custom changes rather than using a package system
Jun 05 22:20:46 <EricW> Anyone know why there are no BeagleBone Blacks for sale from any retailer?
Jun 05 22:22:32 <vagrantc> because demand is greater than supply
Jun 05 22:31:40 <nyt-> theyre rolling out, just gotta order from one of the main sources and wait
Jun 05 22:33:39 <thefinn93> no munin node on cloud9?
Jun 05 22:33:40 <thefinn93> :(
Jun 05 22:37:06 <nyt-> wat
Jun 05 22:38:56 <thefinn93> trying to install munin-node on my beaglebone, but its not in the repos :(
Jun 05 23:03:29 <plm> Hi all
Jun 05 23:04:22 <plm> just to clarify, now BBB will be release with debian instead angstrom?
Jun 05 23:04:51 <mrpackethead> plm , yes, thats where its going
Jun 05 23:04:54 <mrpackethead> but you can run debian now
Jun 05 23:05:39 * thefinn93 gives up with angstrom - can i flash debian without a microSD card?
Jun 05 23:05:55 <thefinn93> maybe via flash drive?
Jun 05 23:05:55 <plm> mrpackethead: ok. Why beagleboard changed angstrom by debian? Any special cause?
Jun 05 23:07:27 <nyt-> because debian is better
Jun 05 23:08:58 <thurgood> debian has a lot more devs and resources behind it anyway, not sure about better... that's mostly subjective
Jun 05 23:10:44 <mrpackethead> yes, you coudl argue the merits of each distro for years.
Jun 05 23:11:05 <mrpackethead> angstrom has certain advantages for somethings.
Jun 05 23:11:34 <mrpackethead> the hard core developers would probaby claim they can get an extra 5% of out of the systme
Jun 05 23:11:52 <mrpackethead> however for the 95% of end users, debian is an easier proposition
Jun 05 23:12:01 <thurgood> that 5% can be really important in embedded systems
Jun 05 23:12:23 <mrpackethead> much much bigger 'community' of debian users.
Jun 05 23:12:40 <mrpackethead> yes, quite possibly that 5% is
Jun 05 23:12:48 <mrpackethead> angstrom wont' die.
Jun 05 23:12:53 <mrpackethead> and people will keep using it.
Jun 05 23:13:09 <mrpackethead> you've got the choice to do what you want
Jun 05 23:14:48 <thurgood> android still doesn't appear ready for primetime on the bbb though :/
Jun 05 23:16:55 <thurgood> no app store support, browser runs out of memory pretty quickly too
Jun 05 23:18:19 <thurgood> and nobody in the chat room :(
Jun 05 23:20:55 <foreverska> or they have nothing to say on that topic
Jun 05 23:27:59 <plm> all right!
Jun 05 23:28:17 <plm> and about Ubuntu?
Jun 05 23:29:06 <plm> mrpackethead: nyt- ^
Jun 05 23:29:37 <nyt-> ?
Jun 05 23:29:47 <plm> I'm running ubuntu on bbb. Ubuntu has invested effort with images for omap3 omap4.
Jun 05 23:30:05 <plm> But I see ubuntu a bit slow than angstrom in bbb
Jun 05 23:30:20 <plm> may be debian will be faster than ubuntu
Jun 05 23:30:33 <plm> s will be/is
Jun 06 00:43:02 <Dr{Who}> I have found that connman on angstrom 2013.06.20 is calling home at boot and the url http://ipv4.connman.net/online/status.html. This seems a bit not cool especially since it can not be turned off. Anyone have any input for me before I call shenanigans.
Jun 06 00:44:20 <thefinn93> what the fuck really?
Jun 06 00:44:28 <thefinn93> not cool
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 06 03:00:00 2014