**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 07 02:59:59 2014
Jun 07 09:39:07 <milad> hello, i want to connect to my bbb with vnc client when it is in frameuffer, i used vncviewr and ... but they only works when i gdm is running
Jun 07 09:39:46 <milad> sorry for bad typing :D
Jun 07 09:40:15 <milad> so how can i see my framebuffer remote?
Jun 07 09:40:16 <tbr> so you want to access your display manager?
Jun 07 09:40:43 <tbr> I can only guess that you're running gnome if you are mentioning gm
Jun 07 09:40:46 <tbr> gdm
Jun 07 09:40:52 <milad> i can access it
Jun 07 09:41:01 <milad> but i cant acess framebuffer
Jun 07 09:41:02 <tbr> so what is the problem?
Jun 07 09:41:41 <milad> my qt program runs in framebuffer and i want to see it remotely
Jun 07 09:41:57 <tbr> why do you mention gdm then?
Jun 07 09:42:49 <tbr> anyway, what you want is a framebuffer based vnc server. should exist, but I don't know it myself.
Jun 07 09:43:18 <milad> because vnc viewer only works when gdm is running. but i desabled it through start up
Jun 07 09:43:19 <tbr> also this is not a strictly BBB specific question, so just searching for framebuffer vnc server might help
Jun 07 09:43:34 <milad> i searched but nothing found
Jun 07 09:43:43 <milad> is there any solution rather vnc
Jun 07 09:43:46 <milad> ?
Jun 07 09:44:41 <tbr> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=framebuffer+vnc-server
Jun 07 09:44:59 <tbr> you could just hook up a HDMI display...
Jun 07 09:46:57 <milad> tnx for your answer tbr. but i already tryed the first two page and no results found. i just want to view my framebuffer remotely and this is my seen :D
Jun 07 09:48:03 <milad> by the way, can i ask another question here?
Jun 07 09:48:58 <tbr> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qt-embedded-displaymanagement.html
Jun 07 09:49:03 <tbr> is on the second page...
Jun 07 09:53:25 <milad> tnx tbr i will work on it , what about anothor question?
Jun 07 09:56:11 <milad> ...
Jun 07 09:58:41 <tbr> milad: don't ask to ask, just ask...
Jun 07 10:01:00 <milad> :D ok. this is actually strange problem :my qt application doesn't start for the first time of angstrom start up when i close it and run it again it starts!
Jun 07 10:01:44 <milad> is it for filesystem or anothor thing?
Jun 07 10:02:11 <tbr> what does "doesn't start" mean?
Jun 07 10:03:47 <milad> it doesnt show anything
Jun 07 10:04:33 <milad> asume that you click on application and it doesnt run for first but ifyou click it again it starts!
Jun 07 10:08:38 <milad> it doesn't run = it doesn't start
Jun 07 10:10:31 <tbr> I thought your app was framebuffer and not X based?
Jun 07 10:11:55 <milad> it runs in framebuffer
Jun 07 10:13:09 <tbr> how do you start a framebuffer app from within an x session?
Jun 07 10:14:36 <milad> i don't, i just disabled gdm , and i use systemctl service to auto start my app
Jun 07 10:15:06 <milad> with example -qws
Jun 07 10:16:57 <tbr> but you specifically said "click on application and it doesnt run for first but ifyou click it again it starts!"
Jun 07 10:17:02 <tbr> but now you claim systemd
Jun 07 10:17:13 <tbr> could you please make up your mind what you are doing?
Jun 07 10:19:13 <milad> i told that assume clicking, but actually it's a service that doesnt run for first time that beaglebone boots but if i stop the service and start it again the app starts!
Jun 07 10:20:03 <tbr> I didn't want to know what I should assume, I wanted to know _exactly_ what doesn't start means...
Jun 07 10:20:27 <tbr> now that we know it's systemd, it's obvious, that you should look at systemd logs
Jun 07 10:20:35 <milad> ok now do u know?
Jun 07 10:23:33 <milad> i looked. and if  i execute a simple command (e.g touch file ) it runs, but it happens  just for a large program like qt.
Jun 07 10:24:19 <milad> i personally think its for low speed of sd card . can be?
Jun 07 10:24:23 <tbr> look at the journal
Jun 07 10:24:38 <tbr> there is no room for speculation
Jun 07 10:24:47 <milad> where to look?
Jun 07 10:25:01 <tbr> < tbr> now that we know it's systemd, it's obvious, that you should look at systemd logs
Jun 07 10:25:45 <milad> where is journal ?
Jun 07 10:26:38 <woglinde> what service prevents a app to start?
Jun 07 10:26:44 <woglinde> an app even
Jun 07 10:27:25 <milad> another things is that the pid of the program exists in processes but no sign of application.
Jun 07 10:29:47 <woglinde> and?
Jun 07 10:30:17 <milad> oh. i saw aggressive answers but thanks anyway
Jun 07 10:30:18 <woglinde> if a service starts and has no output I see the pid only too
Jun 07 10:31:16 <milad> woglinde what's your solution?
Jun 07 10:31:36 <woglinde> reading about stuff and trying stuff out
Jun 07 10:31:53 <woglinde> if nothing helps I try to ask smart questions on irc
Jun 07 10:31:56 <milad> ah again...
Jun 07 10:32:19 <woglinde> and do not assume everyone knows my apps and setup
Jun 07 10:33:04 <tbr> so again the initial statement proves inaccurate. "doesn't start" apparently means now "starts, but with no output"
Jun 07 10:33:21 <tbr> how exactly are we supposed to help you if you give us wrong information
Jun 07 10:34:15 <tbr> I'd suggest to write the console output of your app to a log file
Jun 07 10:34:20 <tbr> you might learn something from that
Jun 07 10:34:32 <woglinde> and of course I do not try to upset people who could possible help me
Jun 07 10:34:58 <milad> starting is the process of showing all the stuff of an app
Jun 07 10:35:21 <milad> so when i say it doesn't start it means that i can't see anything
Jun 07 10:35:42 <tbr> that's your definition. as you may or may not realize, it's not our definition.
Jun 07 10:36:27 <woglinde> when an apps which has graphical output does not start I am trying to use a debugger or strace
Jun 07 10:36:43 <woglinde> ups I meant do not show output *g*
Jun 07 10:38:47 <milad> if you you want more in detail: the program stops in assembly code svc . it's an absolutely wierd problem that i don't think be solved soon
Jun 07 10:40:43 * tbr is with woglinde  on this one. if logging doesn't reveal useful hints, use strace or gdb.
Jun 07 10:42:42 <milad> logging didn't reveal any thing because the programs doesnt enter the main function. and for debuging i told what happens
Jun 07 10:45:29 <woglinde> milad so again you have qt app which does start but the framebuffer output does not work?
Jun 07 10:45:44 <woglinde> or does work wehn you restart some special service
Jun 07 10:45:58 <milad> yes
Jun 07 10:46:20 <woglinde> what special servcie is this?
Jun 07 10:46:42 <milad> what dou mean by special?
Jun 07 10:47:07 <woglinde> you did not tell us what service this is
Jun 07 10:47:11 <woglinde> so I guess it is special
Jun 07 10:48:02 <tbr> I think the service is just his app, as run from systemd
Jun 07 10:48:14 <milad> it's my own service
Jun 07 10:48:50 <tbr> without access to full journal output, app stderr/stdout output from being run by systemd and a full strace, I'm not going to venture into further guessing
Jun 07 10:49:10 <woglinde> tbr let us sell more crystalballs
Jun 07 10:50:04 <milad> i compressed the application with upx and it works. what do u say about this!!!
Jun 07 10:50:05 * tbr has currently a special offer: one for the price of two
Jun 07 10:50:17 <woglinde> milad nothing
Jun 07 10:51:03 <tbr> zero
Jun 07 10:51:25 <milad> so just if anyone else had the same problem tell him this solution  please.  instead of thinking he doesn't know his own question
Jun 07 10:51:26 <aef> hey there. I'm trying to create a bootable Debian Wheezy based µSD image for my BeagleBone Black. http://pastie.org/private/zoh5x25q7vdbzybnxcwibg It seems the kernel the freedombox people use is not available in Wheezy. Is there any kernel in Wheezy which can be used?
Jun 07 10:51:53 <woglinde> aef try to use the rcn kernel
Jun 07 10:52:15 <tbr> what woglinde said
Jun 07 10:52:54 <aef> woglinde, tbr: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image lists nothing called rcn. no idea what that actually is. can you explain?
Jun 07 10:53:19 <tbr> yes, it's not in debian, he has his own repos
Jun 07 10:53:57 <aef> well I would like to keep it all from the Debian sources. any chance to do so?
Jun 07 10:54:37 <tbr> nope
Jun 07 10:54:48 <tbr> debian does not target the beaglebone black
Jun 07 10:55:22 <aef> tbr: but it does target two ARM instruction sets
Jun 07 10:55:45 <milad> as i guessed the problem was for storage device. because qt cache sth in the first run. my friends
Jun 07 10:55:47 <tbr> correct
Jun 07 10:56:08 <aef> tbr: I don't care so much for maximum performance. isn't there some sub-optimal kernel which can be used?
Jun 07 10:56:10 <tbr> milad: and with proper debugging you would have found it earlier
Jun 07 10:56:28 <tbr> aef: there is no generic arm kernel that would run on every ARM device.
Jun 07 10:56:47 <tbr> insert joke about the kernel not being done yet here
Jun 07 10:57:13 <woglinde> tbr the latest kernel can be made to run on tegra, enonyx and some other socs
Jun 07 10:57:24 <woglinde> only exachanging the dt
Jun 07 10:57:25 <milad> tbr: i debugged it but debugger doesnt run through cache  as u may know
Jun 07 10:57:31 <tbr> woglinde: nice progress
Jun 07 10:57:44 <woglinde> tbr yes
Jun 07 10:58:05 <tbr> but not "done™" yet ;-)
Jun 07 10:58:33 <tbr> aef: you can always try to build your own kernel from kernel.org, it should work, somewhat
Jun 07 10:58:37 <woglinde> milad I do not know what cache you are talking about
Jun 07 10:59:37 <woglinde> and it looks like the problem is qt specific and not beagle
Jun 07 10:59:42 <milad> maybe qt cache some plugins data or ... . i don't know but why the problem solved when the size of program reduces?
Jun 07 11:59:48 * zmatt tries to fill in TI's "DDR3 configuration spreadsheet" and is sorely missing the "how the fuck should I know?!" option in some of the popups
Jun 07 13:07:49 <aef> so i got Debian jessy running now on my BeagleBone Black. but it doesn't seem to accept my USB keyboard. more acurately, both of them are not being usable. I connected them through the regular USB host connector. tried it both with and without a power supplying hub in between. they don't work. any ideas?
Jun 07 13:17:39 <tbr> aef: which kernel are you running?
Jun 07 13:19:40 <aef> linux-image-armmp. same as the freedombox guys seem to be using
Jun 07 13:20:36 <aef> i come as far as the console login prompt. but then I can't type anything in. seems it just doesn't recognize any of my keyboards
Jun 07 13:22:19 * tbr has never heard about that kernel
Jun 07 13:23:02 <tbr> USB has various degrees of brokenness on the BBB. It's even possible that yours has usb host completely broken, or you are just missing the right mode or a config.
Jun 07 13:23:34 <tbr> also it's important that the USB devices have to be connected on boot. Fix is upcoming from what I hear in one of the next vanilla kernel releases
Jun 07 13:23:53 <aef> in the Linux on the onboard flash, the keyboards are accepted
Jun 07 13:23:58 <aef> I just found out
Jun 07 13:24:07 <tbr> then your kernel is b0rken
Jun 07 13:25:00 * tbr again recommends RCN
Jun 07 13:25:48 <pilok> hi, does anyone here works with bbb's PRU?
Jun 07 13:26:09 <tbr> some people do
Jun 07 13:27:00 <pilok> is there any c compiler for pru or i should use assembly as past in some soc
Jun 07 13:27:16 <aef> tbr: I'm really looking to build this only with what is provided by Debian, because I need it to work for some years including update support. I don't want to rely on things people build and maybe don't maintain anymore tomorrow
Jun 07 13:27:57 <dogrocket> then use roberts debian build
Jun 07 13:27:58 <aef> tbr: and one of the Freedombox people told me, they were able to do so. but I can't reach him currently
Jun 07 13:28:33 <aef> dogrocket: who is robert?
Jun 07 13:30:35 <dogrocket> robert c nelson, is the key maintainer of official linux release for bbb
Jun 07 13:30:39 <dogrocket> getting link
Jun 07 13:30:49 <dogrocket> the guy is legend :P
Jun 07 13:30:53 <tbr> aef: good luck, but as you already found out there are going to be severe deficiencies, like no USB
Jun 07 13:32:03 <dogrocket> my usb currently supports hot plugging, i can hook in a hub with keyboard, flash drive, cdom and sees them all correctly and i can unplug and replug
Jun 07 13:33:15 <dogrocket> aef: check this. http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone
Jun 07 13:34:56 <dogrocket> aef if you dont want to build kernel get one of his images from beagleboard.org
Jun 07 13:36:09 <dogrocket> theres a debian release there btw
Jun 07 13:38:00 <woglinde> why legend again?
Jun 07 13:38:16 <woglinde> I provide openjdk since years for arm boards in oe
Jun 07 13:38:22 <woglinde> nobody calls me legend
Jun 07 13:41:12 <dogrocket> heh...  he voluntarily created builds for beagle for last couple of years,  works hard at keeping it all up to date, i think hes getting paid to do it now though, its just amazing the amount of work he does to test and fix things
Jun 07 13:41:23 <zmatt> openjdk... does sound like a certain amount of bravery is involved
Jun 07 13:42:05 <dogrocket> nothing against your efforts wog
Jun 07 13:42:37 <woglinde> dogrocket there are lot of people which does voluntarily work
Jun 07 13:42:48 <woglinde> so better be shy to call some one legend
Jun 07 13:43:24 <dogrocket> yep... well all i know is i wouldnt want to figure out the stuff he has
Jun 07 13:43:25 <woglinde> and even your legend did not fix the musb stuff
Jun 07 13:43:34 <woglinde> that would be legend
Jun 07 13:43:34 <dogrocket> mine works?
Jun 07 13:44:16 <woglinde> working wifi with all usbsticks, replugging?
Jun 07 13:44:21 <dogrocket> another post i was reading said and i quote "the infamous robert nelson, helped me to set it up"
Jun 07 13:44:59 <dogrocket> replugging,  havent tried any wifi
Jun 07 13:45:12 <woglinde> and what is with all the other 100 people which patching the arm kernel
Jun 07 13:45:17 <woglinde> they are not legend?
Jun 07 13:46:31 <dogrocket> kernel devs are legend
Jun 07 13:46:42 <dogrocket> and thats 1,000's
Jun 07 13:47:12 <woglinde> but I know where it comes from, from android where you are legend when you can compile a kernel
Jun 07 13:48:30 <dogrocket> android compiling i wouldnt want to tackle... lol
Jun 07 13:49:44 <dogrocket> i dont understand why google thought it was so good for embedded...   "lets put something slow and kludgy in an embedded device"  good idea
Jun 07 13:50:02 <woglinde> it worked
Jun 07 13:50:16 <woglinde> and google had enough money and the right people
Jun 07 13:50:29 <dogrocket> yeah, they did have that
Jun 07 13:50:55 <woglinde> and you did not have to learn c-objectiv to program
Jun 07 13:51:16 <woglinde> oops objective-c
Jun 07 13:51:49 <zmatt> hmm, apparently there are people trying to port illumos (OpenSolaris descendent) to the raspberry pi
Jun 07 13:52:17 <woglinde> zmatt why not
Jun 07 13:52:27 <woglinde> its not your time they are wasting
Jun 07 13:52:44 <woglinde> on the other hand they learn a lot of things trying it
Jun 07 13:52:57 <dogrocket> i saw a website that claims windows ce is working on beagle derivitive
Jun 07 13:53:13 <woglinde> dogrocket sure
Jun 07 13:53:13 <zmatt> no, it's mostly a shame they're targeting the rpi with its archaic arm11 processor
Jun 07 13:53:24 <dogrocket> but not sure what definition of working is i dont know... lol
Jun 07 13:53:46 <woglinde> ce is fast
Jun 07 13:53:53 <woglinde> you would be suprised
Jun 07 13:54:08 <woglinde> the gui at least
Jun 07 13:54:26 <dogrocket> i think it would be cool if they get it all ironed out...
Jun 07 13:55:21 <woglinde> time for shopping
Jun 07 15:44:04 <dadodu> Hi i'd like to know if the PMIC of BBB can return the current of the board
Jun 07 15:45:11 <dadodu> if the PMIC have a ADC that show the consumption of the board
Jun 07 15:45:46 <veremit> isn't it on the i2c bus?
Jun 07 15:46:25 <dadodu> yes but i don't know if the PMIC have a ADC
Jun 07 15:46:45 <veremit> google it .. tps2517 isn't it?
Jun 07 15:48:01 <dadodu> i found it
Jun 07 15:48:18 <dadodu> but it's for the lipo battery
Jun 07 15:49:20 <veremit> the datasheet for the pmic is for the pmic .. nothing else.
Jun 07 16:04:57 <dadodu> is there a program to perform a status of the BBB
Jun 07 16:05:38 <veremit> you can write one ;)
Jun 07 16:05:59 <dadodu> including voltage / current / temp ...
Jun 07 16:06:02 <dadodu> ok
Jun 07 16:06:11 <dadodu> ;)
Jun 07 16:06:59 <dadodu> do you prefer python or C ?
Jun 07 16:08:12 <veremit> I don't know python barely .. and I don't particularly like C ..
Jun 07 16:09:31 <dadodu> two essential language !
Jun 07 16:10:47 <veremit> python has never been 'essential'
Jun 07 16:12:43 <veremit> there are lots of languages out there that are very useful
Jun 07 16:12:45 <veremit> perl is another ;p
Jun 07 16:12:49 <veremit> I do perl ..
Jun 07 16:13:49 <dadodu> perl is limited, not python but we have all good reason to prefer a languge :D
Jun 07 16:14:16 <veremit> you can do Anything in perl .. lol
Jun 07 16:14:24 <veremit> but I don;t like it either lol
Jun 07 16:14:31 <nyt-> ruby ;)
Jun 07 16:14:33 <veremit> I wish I knew cpp
Jun 07 16:14:33 <dadodu> in bash too :D
Jun 07 16:14:51 <Abhishek1> how about BASIC ;) ?
Jun 07 16:14:53 <dadodu> but it's dirty !
Jun 07 16:15:10 <veremit> basic is good .. nothing interprets it though :)
Jun 07 16:15:11 <Abhishek1> isn't that extinct nowadays?
Jun 07 16:15:19 <veremit> VB.net ? :p
Jun 07 16:15:29 <dadodu> VBS
Jun 07 16:15:38 <veremit> eww virus-script :)
Jun 07 16:15:38 <dadodu> Best virus creator
Jun 07 16:15:41 <veremit> lol
Jun 07 16:15:50 <Abhishek1> lol
Jun 07 16:15:58 <Abhishek1> Node.js?
Jun 07 16:16:00 <veremit> strange how quiet that one went
Jun 07 16:16:40 <dadodu> C++ is powerfull
Jun 07 16:17:42 <_av500_> ful of power?
Jun 07 16:18:06 <veremit> mhmm
Jun 07 16:19:07 <dadodu> i'm french sorry for my english
Jun 07 16:21:45 <nyt-> dont sweat it, better than mine
Jun 07 16:26:27 <dadodu> bye
Jun 07 17:46:07 <teesstt> Any idea when will be awailable on the market the "beaglebone black" europe/uk ?
Jun 07 17:46:28 <teesstt> Or any idea where can I buy a second hand one ? I couldn't find any on ebay.. :S
Jun 07 17:47:18 <veremit> check rs-online/farnell-element14 .. I know the element14 ones are scheduled for July
Jun 07 17:47:44 <veremit> beagleboard.org has a list of vendors
Jun 07 17:49:07 <teesstt> Hi vermit, thx. I checked the all the vendors but nowbody has in stock.. :S
Jun 07 17:49:24 <teesstt> I'm new with this beaglebone
Jun 07 17:49:39 <teesstt> was this black edition (rev. C) anytime on the market ?
Jun 07 17:50:12 <teesstt> just because on e-bay i can see only Rev. B
Jun 07 17:54:06 <veremit> revC is new (ish) it has started shipping though
Jun 07 17:59:14 <myself> it has??
Jun 07 18:00:26 <myself> teesstt: When boards come in, vendors ship to their pre-order customers first, and if they have any leftovers, those go into stock. So people are getting boards all the time and none are ever "in stock". Pre-order and wait, you'll get your board sooner than waiting to see them in stock.
Jun 07 18:03:44 <nyt-> word my $5 ttl usb adapter works
Jun 07 18:13:34 <veremit> ^5 nyt
Jun 07 18:13:44 <veremit> preorder is definitely recommended
Jun 07 18:15:07 <Abhishek1> I had to wait > 3 weeks for my board back in Feb
Jun 07 18:16:26 <veremit> only 3 weeks? wow!
Jun 07 18:16:45 <veremit> I've seen 10weeks+ lead time lol
Jun 07 18:18:00 <Abhishek1> one of my (lucky) friends ordered a Rev B but is now on the queue for rev C (for free), been almost 4-5 weeks now.
Jun 07 18:18:24 <veremit> very much a case of order & wait
Jun 07 18:22:03 <SiC> who did you order with veremit?
Jun 07 18:24:36 <veremit> oh we ordered a few .. farnell and rs components .. about a year ago
Jun 07 18:24:53 <veremit> rev a's I think
Jun 07 18:24:59 * veremit looks under the table at his
Jun 07 18:25:35 <veremit> A5C is mine
Jun 07 18:25:42 <Abhishek1> mine an A6A
Jun 07 18:26:06 <veremit> great lil boards .. part from the usb issues
Jun 07 18:26:15 <nyt-> usb issues?
Jun 07 18:26:31 <veremit> but tbh .. with new kernel . since I don't use capes .. its working fine as my usb hdd 'host' and caching nameserver :)
Jun 07 18:26:49 <veremit> nyt- .. you can't deny knowledge of hotplug/babble and other usb issues .. :P
Jun 07 18:27:12 <Abhishek1> yep, there are plans to switch the BeagleBoard to a mainline kernel
Jun 07 18:27:33 <veremit> well .. I see TI are .. how the beagle foundation are with that I can't say ..
Jun 07 18:27:51 <veremit> they'll have to fix their capemanager :)
Jun 07 18:28:16 <SiC> ah veremit
Jun 07 18:28:23 <SiC> I wondered who you had a 10week leadtime with
Jun 07 18:28:29 * SiC ordered last week
Jun 07 18:28:39 <veremit> yea this was looking in November I think
Jun 07 18:28:42 <Abhishek1> embest or CCo?
Jun 07 18:28:47 <veremit> before element14 got started :p
Jun 07 18:28:59 <veremit> or while element14 were negotiating, etc :)
Jun 07 18:29:10 <Abhishek1> ^ that was for SiC
Jun 07 18:29:12 <veremit> the nex week I looked .. the CircuitCo board was delisted :)
Jun 07 18:29:15 <SiC> I ordered CCo from Farnell
Jun 07 18:29:30 <veremit> I think you'll find CCo aren't listed on farnell any more :)
Jun 07 18:29:34 <SiC> as they were cheaper :p
Jun 07 18:29:38 <SiC> http://cpc.farnell.com/circuitco/bb-bblk-000/beaglebone-black-cortex-a8-dev/dp/SC13013
Jun 07 18:29:43 <Abhishek1> 00000044     e1002180      SBBO &R0.b0, R1, 0, 4
Jun 07 18:29:47 <SiC> theyre on there still
Jun 07 18:29:54 <Abhishek1> oops, mispaste :P
Jun 07 18:29:57 <veremit> maybe cpc still got stock
Jun 07 18:30:03 <nyt-> veremit: i havent used it for much... just wifi,kb,mouse
Jun 07 18:30:07 <SiC> or maybe I'll never receive it
Jun 07 18:30:08 <veremit> oh nope .. Out of Stock :D
Jun 07 18:30:08 <SiC> lol
Jun 07 18:30:15 <SiC> BUT
Jun 07 18:30:20 <SiC> it is rev c that is listed there
Jun 07 18:30:34 <SiC> 4gb emmc == rev c right?
Jun 07 18:30:37 <veremit> I suspect you'll find that one mysteriously disappears .. lol
Jun 07 18:30:42 <veremit> 4GB is RevC yes
Jun 07 18:31:10 <veremit> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=2422228
Jun 07 18:31:11 <SiC> I'll have to give them a call on monday then
Jun 07 18:31:15 <SiC> to check
Jun 07 18:31:26 <SiC> yea I saw it on normal farnell
Jun 07 18:31:34 <veremit> vs. http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2291620&MER=bn-me-pd-r3-cust-all-2
Jun 07 18:31:35 <SiC> just cpc was cheaper
Jun 07 18:31:43 <veremit> yeah its the old board then :D
Jun 07 18:31:48 <veremit> which is no longer manufactured
Jun 07 18:31:49 <SiC> nah
Jun 07 18:31:52 <SiC> that last one is 2gb
Jun 07 18:31:54 <SiC> emmc
Jun 07 18:32:16 <veremit> the discontinued one?
Jun 07 18:32:19 <SiC> yea
Jun 07 18:32:23 <SiC> according to the listing
Jun 07 18:32:27 <veremit> well yes
Jun 07 18:32:39 <SiC> http://uk.farnell.com/circuitco/bb-bblk-000/beaglebone-black-rev-c-cortex-a8/dp/2421279
Jun 07 18:32:43 <SiC> that is the circuitco I guess
Jun 07 18:32:49 <SiC> "coming soon"
Jun 07 18:33:00 <SiC> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp;jsessionid=BT1ATV1YU5ELYCQLCIRJMMQ?N=0&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=BB-BBLK-000&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&exposeLevel2Refinement=true&suggestions=false&ref=globalsearch&_requestid=139475 <- both are elisted
Jun 07 18:33:12 <SiC> oh no
Jun 07 18:33:19 <veremit> oh well
Jun 07 18:33:22 <SiC> the element14 on there is discotinued too - as its a 2gb
Jun 07 18:33:23 <SiC> lol
Jun 07 18:33:24 <veremit> seems they are stocking it
Jun 07 18:33:29 <SiC> anyway I'll have to give them a call incase
Jun 07 18:33:38 <SiC> wierdly the circuitco board is cheaper
Jun 07 18:33:49 <SiC> also cpc is cheaper than farnell
Jun 07 18:33:53 <SiC> randomly
Jun 07 18:33:58 <veremit> cpc is usually cheaper than farnell
Jun 07 18:34:23 <SiC> I've seen it go both ways
Jun 07 18:34:26 <veremit> very interesting lol
Jun 07 18:34:29 <SiC> never understand why
Jun 07 18:34:41 <SiC> rather daft
Jun 07 18:34:48 <veremit> its ridiculous .. but they are two separate companies .. whether same parent or not
Jun 07 18:35:05 <SiC> probably comes out of the same warehouse :p
Jun 07 18:35:17 <veremit> think its different address afaik
Jun 07 18:35:24 <veremit> might be same site .. but different plot probably
Jun 07 18:36:04 <veremit> the two companies cater to very different markets
Jun 07 18:36:07 <SiC> yea
Jun 07 18:36:23 <SiC> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/bespoke/bespoke4.jsp?bespokepage=farnell/en_UK/support/about.jsp
Jun 07 18:36:39 <SiC> http://uk.farnell.com/images/divsions.gif in particular
Jun 07 18:36:49 <SiC> its still daft
Jun 07 18:37:56 <SiC> I imagine they know that a lot of individuals at companies will just order from farnell rather than cpc, as they have an account with farnell
Jun 07 18:38:00 <SiC> making it just easier
Jun 07 18:41:36 <veremit> we can't get a cpc account at work lol
Jun 07 18:41:42 <veremit> not enough volume
Jun 07 18:41:48 <veremit> stupi
Jun 07 18:41:48 <veremit> d
Jun 07 18:44:00 <SiC> well its still always possible to put an order in with a Credit card on cpc
Jun 07 18:44:47 <veremit> ofc
Jun 07 18:45:18 <SiC> digikey lead time is just contact them
Jun 07 18:45:19 <SiC> lol
Jun 07 18:45:58 <Abhishek1> how many days does contacting them take then? ;)
Jun 07 18:46:31 <SiC> mouser is listing 12th august
Jun 07 18:46:36 <SiC> :o
Jun 07 18:47:08 <SiC> I remember when bbb were plentiful
Jun 07 18:47:11 <SiC> like 10k in stoock
Jun 07 18:47:15 <SiC> its now 10k on order
Jun 07 18:47:27 <SiC> and availability from that batch going down
Jun 07 18:47:38 * SiC wishes he bought one last year
Jun 07 18:52:00 <veremit> should ease up a bit when element14 get into full production
Jun 07 18:52:16 <veremit> ok its not a genuine circuitco beaglebone .. but eh .. the design files are the same lol
Jun 07 18:53:56 <SiC> where is the e14 version made?
Jun 07 18:53:59 <SiC> in sony wales?
Jun 07 18:54:03 <SiC> like the rpi
Jun 07 22:24:30 <dogrocket> anyone worked with SPI here?
Jun 07 22:24:45 <nyt-> Yep
Jun 07 22:27:32 <dogrocket> awesome..  i have spi all set up, and am using spitest.c to test..  the codec says it can take 16 or 32 bit words, i tried 16 bit, and the test came back with all 3F array, when i tried 32 bit it came back with 3f 0 0 0 0 and a F0 at second to last byte.. am i to assume its responding?
Jun 07 22:28:06 <dogrocket> or how can i tell its responding.. :/
Jun 07 23:13:57 <dom_> hi
Jun 07 23:14:41 <dom_> I want to serve an image file over usb using the gadget kernel module
Jun 07 23:15:10 <dom_> In the past I did this using the g_mass_storage kernel module
Jun 07 23:15:46 <dom_> however, after an upgrade from BB white to blk, my script doesn't work any more, as it fails to remove the g_multi kernel module
Jun 07 23:16:02 <dom_> rmmod g_multi fails: g_multi in use
Jun 07 23:16:26 <dom_> I can't find, where the g_multi module is loaded during boot
Jun 07 23:16:35 <dom_> can anybody point me in the right direction?
Jun 07 23:16:55 <dom_> I was looking for the g-ether script, but couldn't locate it.
Jun 07 23:39:33 <piranha32> Hi
Jun 07 23:40:12 <piranha32> has abybody managed to get bb-xm to work with ulcd7 with Robert's 3.7 kernel?
Jun 08 02:54:08 <nyt-> dogrocket: try this: https://github.com/notnyt/beaglebone#spi
Jun 08 02:54:24 <nyt-> examples there
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