**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 11 02:59:58 2014 Jul 11 04:55:52 ping Jul 11 05:17:31 pung Jul 11 05:21:02 bum Jul 11 06:00:23 have any one encontered an Micro SD cable plug for flat cable? Jul 11 06:00:51 like in this acticle http://sysmagazine.com/posts/206394/ Jul 11 06:00:56 but not DIY Jul 11 06:01:07 not the cable it self but only a plug Jul 11 06:01:16 yes, you can buy those Jul 11 06:01:48 hwo it is called correctly? Jul 11 06:01:52 I saw such adapters on DX.com Jul 11 06:01:59 oh thank you Jul 11 07:05:34 Hello. one of our BeagleBone black has a problem. when we try to boot it . the power LED ligts up and automatically lights down Jul 11 07:05:48 and the BBB does not start at all after that Jul 11 07:06:41 hook up a usb serial cable to it and see what is happening Jul 11 07:06:54 maybe uboot fails at some point Jul 11 07:08:47 demeteor: a) how do you power it b) have you tried with a different SD card that is tested to boot another board? Jul 11 07:09:42 we power it up with usb, and not we did not try other sd card. coz it does not power up at all. just the power led flashes and thats it Jul 11 07:12:43 add "Buy cable to topic" =) Jul 11 07:13:00 demeteor: try another card Jul 11 07:13:09 demeteor: also try powering it from a power supply Jul 11 07:13:39 also reinstall windows Jul 11 07:13:54 and install linux Jul 11 07:15:11 okay I will try now Jul 11 07:15:47 i doubt it is card issue Jul 11 07:16:06 i noticed some mkdcard scripts work strange Jul 11 07:16:18 first have to delete all partitions on car Jul 11 07:16:23 *card Jul 11 07:17:52 it does not make any difference Jul 11 07:18:37 neither with out without any new card . power supply or not. it lighs up the power led. then it lights off and the bbb does not work Jul 11 07:18:47 it does not try to boot Jul 11 07:18:57 ro anything whatsoever Jul 11 07:20:47 how do you reset it ? Jul 11 08:07:14 Hi, I am wondering how/if it is possible to use the EMMC as storage when booting from sd card. Jul 11 08:07:36 sure Jul 11 08:08:05 can you give me a hint how? I have debian on my BBB Jul 11 08:08:19 its the 2nd /dev/mmcblk or so Jul 11 08:08:27 its what the flasher images do Jul 11 08:08:31 they copy from SD to emmc Jul 11 08:09:13 ok,I will take a look to the flasher scripts. THANKS Jul 11 08:10:15 em I am trying to set up a service. but I get this error at return cd: HOME not set how do I set HOME ? coz I have no idea. I look it up in google but I dont know what to search for Jul 11 08:19:28 .. . the more time passes the more things stay the same i see Jul 11 08:21:03 * m_billybob goes back to abusing node.js / javascript Jul 11 08:28:28 demeteor: as usual, pastebin your stuff, we cannot see your screen Jul 11 08:33:45 av500 before I do that. I saw that with debian I can do it with init.d right ? can I paste what I did there and what is my error ? Jul 11 08:34:04 no idea about debian Jul 11 08:34:31 okay lets do it with service it should be the same thing give me a sec Jul 11 08:38:02 The Bash Script : http://pastebin.com/4xeHt2fC The service code : http://pastebin.com/VaYaVRBY The Error : http://pastebin.com/8eUJZn3K Jul 11 08:38:14 I think I pasted everything Jul 11 08:39:56 demeteor why not fix the script before including it with systemd? Jul 11 08:40:49 demeteor: the script is not being run as your user Jul 11 08:41:06 why not put the absolute path instead? Jul 11 08:41:08 and again I suggest to use gstreamer Jul 11 08:41:19 thats unrelated Jul 11 08:41:29 instead of such an isolated solution which is error prone Jul 11 08:41:38 woglinde: here have some "! queue !" Jul 11 08:41:56 I need to run as sudo ? Jul 11 08:42:01 or do full user path? Jul 11 08:42:23 why is it in a user home anyway? Jul 11 08:43:19 where should I put it ? Jul 11 08:43:31 I just need it to boot on start I dont care where it is Jul 11 08:43:41 /opt :) Jul 11 08:43:48 cd /opt ? Jul 11 08:43:56 and in the .service ? Jul 11 08:44:01 brb need to log off Jul 11 08:44:08 make a debian package with all stuff included Jul 11 08:44:30 * woglinde puts more devops into developers Jul 11 08:45:31 heh, you sound like my coworker Jul 11 08:45:35 "make it an RPM" Jul 11 08:45:58 av500 we are packaging all here either deb rpm or docker images Jul 11 08:46:03 so he made all these RPMS for years in case he needs to reinstall his PC Jul 11 08:46:09 and ended up running ubuntu ... Jul 11 08:46:13 lol Jul 11 08:46:44 we are doing it for deployment and shipping not for personal use cases Jul 11 08:47:03 woglinde: I know Jul 11 08:47:46 good Jul 11 08:48:16 http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html Jul 11 08:48:23 why does this not list User=? Jul 11 08:50:35 hm what is User=? Jul 11 08:51:27 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Services Jul 11 08:51:29 found it here Jul 11 08:51:39 I thought it was a legal option Jul 11 08:51:45 ser=nobody Jul 11 08:51:46 its mentioned in www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html Jul 11 08:51:47 User=nobody Jul 11 08:51:51 yes Jul 11 08:51:57 ah Jul 11 08:52:02 ;) Jul 11 09:59:46 hi all Jul 11 10:00:25 is there anybody who success a compilation of mame4all on BBB ? Jul 11 11:35:15 wooo Jul 11 11:35:21 just got my BBB from element14 :) Jul 11 11:35:26 the element14 version Jul 11 11:35:50 Ordered on the 16th June, so almost a month Jul 11 11:36:34 congratulations Jul 11 11:36:42 now you belong to the elite club of bbb owners! Jul 11 11:37:25 :P Jul 11 11:37:47 I left my power adapter at home though, so play until later :( Jul 11 11:40:45 use usb Jul 11 11:41:01 and dont stress the board Jul 11 11:46:42 hmm Jul 11 11:46:54 the electroyltic cap on my board looks a little suspect Jul 11 11:47:32 there are no marks/indentations for it to vent and the silkscreen on the top looks shabby Jul 11 11:52:48 Hi, when booting my BBB the default gateway of my USB network interface is never set Jul 11 11:53:53 altough in /etc/network/interfaces it is defined Jul 11 11:54:54 prolly because it's handled by something else like connman or network manager? Jul 11 11:57:41 any idea which script it could be located in debian? Jul 11 11:58:55 hmm, debian image doesn't seem to use connman Jul 11 11:59:00 no idea then Jul 11 11:59:20 entering network interface in /etc/network/interfaces should disable connman/network manager for that interface Jul 11 11:59:53 escamoteur: do you use dhcp? if so, your dhcp sever should provide a router Jul 11 12:00:06 escamoteur: pastebin your config just in case there is a typo? Jul 11 12:00:07 usb0 is present there but the gateway is ignored Jul 11 12:00:48 maybe the syntax is wrong Jul 11 12:01:02 maybe not enough chocolate Jul 11 12:01:57 http://pastebin.com/2aeT6Hd1 Jul 11 12:03:13 escamoteur no auto for usb0 Jul 11 12:03:20 so it is setup somewhere else Jul 11 12:03:21 # Note on some boards, usb0 is automaticly setup with an init script Jul 11 12:03:26 *g* Jul 11 12:03:46 I was guessing this. which could be the init script? Jul 11 12:04:10 grep is your friend Jul 11 12:04:30 I'm still a linux greenhorn :-( Jul 11 12:06:23 dont worry. even tbr was a greenhorn 20 or 3 years ago Jul 11 12:06:29 30* Jul 11 12:06:32 yup Jul 11 12:06:41 and he is still a gringo Jul 11 12:06:46 :-) Jul 11 12:07:01 A linux greenhorn 30 years ago would be quite a thing. Jul 11 12:07:01 uhm damn I need to care for hotel for elce Jul 11 12:07:20 wtf: /boot/uboot/scripts/setup-ubuntu-armhf-3.8.13-bone30.sh Jul 11 12:08:10 but that's not the right place either Jul 11 12:11:30 escamoteur: do you have ethernet connected or only usb? Jul 11 12:12:36 at the moment only usb. I can also set the gateway in the startup script, but I was hoping there would be a better solution Jul 11 12:13:47 I'm not sure how this is set Jul 11 12:14:17 it's not so important. Jul 11 12:14:24 SiC, My element14 bbb had a glob of goo by the SD card slot. Prevented the card from popping out nicely. Beware. Jul 11 12:15:09 Another thing. I managed it to share a folder by nfs with my linux pc, but I have no write permission on it from the BBB Jul 11 12:16:45 is there anywhere a .img.xz with the emmc content ? Jul 11 12:16:48 not the flasher image Jul 11 12:17:19 vvu: yes, official download page has sd card images Jul 11 12:17:55 i do not want sd card, i want emmc image. just with emmc content. i have an usb flasher Jul 11 12:18:59 then dissect a flasher image, that should have the raw content Jul 11 12:19:49 Hi. I have soldered the P2 header with wires directly on BBB and connected the same to a PEEDI JTAG debugger Jul 11 12:19:58 But when I run a terminal emulator and check the peedi console : PM9263> jtag -- error: no target power Jul 11 12:20:09 Please help!! Jul 11 12:20:55 what for do you need jtag in the first place? Jul 11 12:21:18 I need to debug uboot and linux kernel. Jul 11 12:22:51 well, check your wiring, check the pin connections, refer to the SRM and the documentation of your jtag debugger for details. Jul 11 12:23:59 damn these new debian images are big as hell Jul 11 12:25:04 I have question like, after applying the power to the board will it start booting ? Jul 11 12:25:11 yes, its real linux Jul 11 12:25:23 when the JTAG is connected to BBB Jul 11 12:26:43 thanks ds2 Jul 11 12:26:48 * dsmith Jul 11 12:26:54 my sd card slot looks ok Jul 11 12:27:02 if the BBB is plugged in USB, what should I expect to see? Jul 11 12:27:06 Actually when the Jtag cable is not connected to the BBB it boots angstorm normally but when JTAG is connected it does not boot at all.. Jul 11 12:27:06 on the LEDs Jul 11 12:27:25 according to the getting started guide, I should have an LED heartbeat flash Jul 11 12:27:39 mine just keeps wanting to install AM335x USB Jul 11 12:29:43 escamoteur: trying to write as root? if so you need the no_root_squash option on server end Jul 11 12:29:58 no, as user Jul 11 12:30:15 escamoteur: then as long as you have rw on server end it should work Jul 11 12:30:46 could it be a problem of differend user ids? Jul 11 12:31:05 escamoteur: yes, you will need to make sure the mapping is working for that Jul 11 12:31:24 escamoteur: /etc/idmapd.conf Jul 11 12:31:36 escamoteur: dont ask me for the magic runes, I cant remember off top of head Jul 11 12:31:37 on the sever or the bbb Jul 11 12:31:49 escamoteur: both, they both need to be in same id domain Jul 11 12:32:31 escamoteur: then the actually mapping I have never played with youll have to read the manual, I just cheat and make all my machines use same ids Jul 11 12:33:03 I just found the problem, I had not set the correct permission of a sub folder Jul 11 12:33:10 :-) Jul 11 12:33:38 For Development I now just use 777, so I don't have to care for user or groups Jul 11 12:42:15 Halleluja!!!! I can cross compile with NetBeans on my BBB Jul 11 12:53:28 Wow and even Debugging works. Great now the real work can begin Jul 11 14:11:48 I try to add a standard gateway at the end of /etc/rc.local but i get the error network not reachable. I use USB-Networking Jul 11 14:31:34 i could use some help with my beagle bone black, anyone available? Jul 11 14:32:46 what's the problem? Jul 11 14:33:00 my beagle bone black is showing up as an unspecified device on my 64 bit windows 7 computer, it doesnt show up like a storage drive like it should Jul 11 14:33:26 have you tried on another pc? Jul 11 14:33:30 i installed the drivers shown online after i plugged it in hoping that would fix the problems but alas Jul 11 14:33:41 and yes i have on two other, it shows up correctly Jul 11 14:34:01 sane os? both 64bit? Jul 11 14:34:08 yep Jul 11 14:34:26 is one laptop? Jul 11 14:34:37 they are all laptops Jul 11 14:34:58 have you tried to power it from an external power supply? Jul 11 14:35:14 i have not, Jul 11 14:35:29 it powers up like the blue lights are blinking Jul 11 14:35:54 if you can, give it a try. I had yesterday problems because power supply on my PC was not stable enough Jul 11 14:36:24 and its under my device manager as other devices? Jul 11 14:36:47 so will i plug it in with like both or what Jul 11 14:36:58 yep, USB and power Jul 11 14:37:27 ill try it , will a nine volt arduino power adapter work? Jul 11 14:37:45 no!! 5V Jul 11 14:38:08 ok... Jul 11 14:38:39 ill try it did it make yours go normal like to the usb drive? and dude its powered on? its just not showing up as a storage drive like a usb drive as it should? Jul 11 14:39:29 I had the problem that it always crahed when doing an apt-get upgrade by ssh Jul 11 14:39:43 does it show up as new network connection? Jul 11 14:39:55 i dont think so let me check Jul 11 14:40:44 what owuld it look like under ipconfig Jul 11 14:41:10 no it doesnt Jul 11 14:41:46 windows or linux? Jul 11 14:47:03 windows Jul 11 14:47:20 strange. my only guess try with external power Jul 11 14:48:27 i mean its says it can find the right drivers? ill try external power but i really dont think that will make a difference Jul 11 14:50:01 for a USB mass storage device you don't need speical drivers, they are built in in windows Jul 11 14:50:35 but if the USB enumeration fails on a hardware level you get an unknown USB-device. so give it a try Jul 11 14:50:42 alright Jul 11 14:51:16 it still shows up as unspecified Jul 11 14:51:19 WTF Jul 11 14:51:40 Sorry, I have no idea Jul 11 14:51:58 thanks for trying Jul 11 15:38:11 what are the kernel features that the beagleboneblack's ethernet, which appears to be ti_cpsw, depends on ... am335x_phy_control ? anything else? Jul 11 16:09:58 i guess it is davinci_mdio and davinci_cpdma that are needed by ti_cpsw... Jul 11 16:18:26 I’m getting data corruption on the bbblack GPMC when I use /dev/ttyO1 at the same time. Is there some interference between the 2? (so far I have not been abot to reproduce on white, and have not received my blues yet) Jul 11 17:23:01 I know, there are bold red angry letters saying not to connect 5v ttl logic to the BBB. Is there a good introduction to how TTL serial works, like the series at http://support.saleae.com/hc/en-us/articles/200284509-Learn-Asynchronous-Serial so I understand why? Jul 11 17:24:06 i have a gut feeling, that I think is wrong. With a 16x2 lcd character display, i can't see how if my pin is configured to OUTPUT, how the display can damage the BBB. Especially if I add a diode to ensure current only flows out. Jul 11 18:20:27 by only manually adding a few modules and pulling flash-kernel from debian sid, i've managed to get the debian-installer daily images to install to a beagleboneblack! Jul 11 18:24:59 admittedly, i already had the version of u-boot installed to the eMMC ... so it'll take a little more work to get that all fully working Jul 11 18:25:20 version of u-boot that supported the bootscripts that flash-kernel generates Jul 11 18:38:29 vagrantc, i've been trying to make the eMMC's bootloader more sane.. will this help you guys? http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:U-boot_partitioning_layout_2.0 Jul 11 18:42:33 rcn-ee: it's comprehensive! Jul 11 18:42:51 rcn-ee: i've reworked the u-boot patches in debian a bit: https://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/u-boot.git;a=tree;f=debian/patches;hb=HEAD Jul 11 18:42:54 i had some free time over the holdiays.. beer and hacking. ;) Jul 11 18:43:07 but i'd like to include some or all of what you've got there Jul 11 18:44:07 rcn-ee: i do wonder about the use of mmcpart rather than just using (or dynamically setting) bootpart as needed Jul 11 18:44:14 right now (in jessie) we can install 3.14-1 armmp, and just swap the boot kernel via updating uname_r in /boot/uEnv.txt I still need to test/qualify fedora/ubuntu too.. Jul 11 18:44:45 right Jul 11 18:45:08 rcn-ee: does your code handle files on the first and second partitions? Jul 11 18:45:48 it looks for /uEnv.txt on first (for back compatblity) then searches for /boot/uEnv.txt in parttions 1->7 (we've never bumped the kernel mmcblk limitation) Jul 11 18:46:04 then swaps over to the second mmc device (eMMC) Jul 11 18:46:20 i also added bootscript support Jul 11 18:46:36 i see that. as flash-kernel builds that.. Jul 11 18:46:39 which is what flash-kernel uses in jessie currently Jul 11 18:46:42 yup Jul 11 18:47:12 since we have test -e support, i can roll that in too. is it just boot.scr? Jul 11 18:47:17 ideally, i'd like to get flash-kernel to be able to write a uEnv.txt as well, but wanted to make sure it was supported out-of-the-box for jessie. Jul 11 18:47:42 rcn-ee: yeah, boot.scr either in /boot.scr or /boot/boot.scr Jul 11 18:48:06 and then, ideally, we get this stuff in mainline u-boot so we can stop carrying patches :) Jul 11 18:48:16 i'm wondering if we there's somethign else we can use, (and then drop flash-kernel) right now i just need either the uuid/uname_r/cmdline.. Jul 11 18:49:08 from a debian-installer integration perspective, flash-kernel is the way to go for the near future Jul 11 18:49:24 flash-kernel with bootscripts Jul 11 18:49:34 true. .;) i always live patch that out with my netinstall script. .;) Jul 11 18:50:18 I'll add /boot.scr & /boot/boot.scr checks to the default u-boot.. your just looking in the first partition right? (We are due to update the default images) Jul 11 18:50:38 the main thing flash-kernel brings is the db of various boards and what settings they need Jul 11 18:50:59 so you can have a single image that can install a wide variety of boards. Jul 11 18:51:47 yeap, i patched that out in trusty: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/netinstall/blob/master/lib/flash_kernel/all.db i have the bootloader all take care of it for that list. ;) Jul 11 18:51:59 rcn-ee: i don't remember if i had it only look in first partition Jul 11 18:53:00 double-checked, just the first partition.. (i'll have it check both media's.) Jul 11 19:00:04 rcn-ee: so your netinstall scripts basically take a debian-installer image and tweak them? Jul 11 19:01:49 yeap, i just grab the initrd.gz from: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-armhf/ and patch the crap out of it. ;) Jul 11 19:02:13 heh Jul 11 19:02:48 it was simple in the lenny/armel days, as it didn't do much "extra stuff".. it's always fun fighting upstream flash-kernel on ever release. ;) Jul 11 19:03:30 rather than fighting with debian, you could help improve it at the source... :P Jul 11 19:03:56 lol its probably about time :p Jul 11 19:04:03 i know... I'm always working on boards before they are offically released, so it's mostly kernel work. ;) Jul 11 19:04:22 fair enough ... Jul 11 19:04:48 but with jessie, i can offload all these users to debian. ;) Jul 11 19:13:28 do we have a single image that works on BBC/BBX/BBB/BBW? Jul 11 19:14:24 yes Jul 11 19:14:31 the only difference is peripherals surely? Jul 11 19:15:04 (minus u-boot, BBC/BBX omap3_beagle, BBB/BBW am335x_evm) Jul 11 19:15:46 all 4 will boot with mainline's multi_v7 config Jul 11 19:17:45 rcn should make a narcissus-like build script online .. so you select your board, and your OS profile .. and you get an image to download ;) hehe Jul 11 19:18:40 or somebody .. I think that'd be awesome Jul 11 19:20:21 i've thought of that, the root access to create the final *.img might be fun on a public host. ;) Jul 11 19:20:59 do itin a virtual machine ? Jul 11 19:21:05 Does anyone know if you can run an adobe air project on the beaglebone? Jul 11 19:21:45 eww adboe .. why? Jul 11 19:21:46 veremit, to do it really right, i need to find co-hosting for a pack of a15 boards. ;) Jul 11 19:22:03 hehe rcn .. ok get to it ;) lol Jul 11 19:23:15 Adobe Air is what the project was written in a few years ago. Thats why Jul 11 19:24:07 biggest problem with adobe is licensing Jul 11 19:24:24 and closed source Jul 11 19:32:17 heh theres actually a $11,000 android phone out there ? Jul 11 19:35:59 vagrantc, here you go: http://pastebin.com/Znc16Mp2 if you need us to dump more debug info from u-boot about what it's searching for i can do that too. Jul 11 19:37:32 rcn-ee: nice. Jul 11 19:38:40 rcn-ee: i was wondering if the search order actually shouldn't be /boot/uEnv.txt, /uEnv.txt, /boot/boot.scr, /boot.scr, etc. Jul 11 19:38:55 i think various u-boot boards make different assumptions... Jul 11 19:39:46 you don't need root access to generate a img Jul 11 19:39:57 i've never seen a /boot/uEnv.txt must be a single partition ext4 imx6 device? Jul 11 19:41:03 rcn-ee: dunno. i'm mostly working on the theory of looking for a specific type of file in all the locations you might look first, then look for the next type of file ... Jul 11 19:41:45 just implement proper U-boot environment support Jul 11 19:41:53 working on it... Jul 11 19:41:53 loose this Env shit Jul 11 19:42:11 i'll still catch /boot/uEnv.txt in the for loop, as i go back over partition 1.. I'm just looking for uenvcmd for compatibilty.. Jul 11 19:42:40 ds2, that's what i've done: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:U-boot_partitioning_layout_2.0#Boot_Partition just need to tell it what kernel version.. Jul 11 19:42:52 this is just asking for trojan images Jul 11 19:42:59 the uEnv.txt stuff is nice for people to be able to specify their own custom boot preferences simply by editing a text file... Jul 11 19:43:17 it is an invitation for trojans Jul 11 19:43:25 lol Jul 11 19:43:39 * vagrantc needs a new horse anyways Jul 11 19:43:40 lol also Jul 11 19:43:41 sop perhaps maybe embedded linux users shold get wiser Jul 11 19:43:46 hey dude...try this time image... you can run unmodified windows software on your BBK Jul 11 19:44:05 ds2 that a laughable point seriously. Jul 11 19:44:33 ds2: i don't see what difference that makes with the tendency to just ship dd-able images Jul 11 19:45:17 vagrantc totally agreed Jul 11 19:45:36 the behavior is to also look on the removeable media Jul 11 19:45:40 i suspect most images out there are installed completely without any verification Jul 11 19:45:49 which provides a nice way to silently insert stuff Jul 11 19:46:08 anyone can hack something if they really want to Jul 11 19:46:18 it isn't so much the entire image is messed up, it is people putting in a fat formatted uSD card and having it silently do stuff Jul 11 19:46:45 which has been the behavior for ages, this is nothing new. Jul 11 19:47:05 since we are telling people to setup for apt and such, that means you have a nice way to start building a botnet Jul 11 19:48:07 wow man .. a botnet of beagles. holy shit .. that'll overrun the nsa in no time ... Jul 11 19:48:13 * vagrantc can't seem to make the leap in logic Jul 11 19:48:56 uboot, hs the option of loading an executable when it comes up vagrantc Jul 11 19:49:09 yes, i'm pretty familiar with u-boot Jul 11 19:49:30 ok then sorry for statign the obvious then heh Jul 11 19:50:53 we could always pay $ to ti to get the cerfiied boot keys.. then they could only run a certified stack. ;) Jul 11 19:51:01 what i don't understand is how extending the support already present in u-boot to look in a handful of places, to look in a few more places is really a problem. Jul 11 19:51:42 yeah same Jul 11 19:52:03 ditto Jul 11 19:52:48 a certified stack would be a nice option, although would realy hinder folks testing experimental new stuff... Jul 11 19:53:04 SO what you do. you write an article about this possibility, and how to avoid it and link it on beagleboard.org in an obvious place Jul 11 19:53:31 This will educate the peopel who want to know, while the others are helpless anyhow Jul 11 19:57:07 idk, some of the new usrs don't want to be educated.. Then i had a "security expert consultant" swap my https links for http on elinux the other day. ;) Jul 11 19:58:01 Robert, that their own problem though isnt it ? Jul 11 19:58:15 usrs not wanting to be educated that is Jul 11 19:59:23 oops. installing to eMMC without setting up MLO and u-boot.img results in "CCCCCC...." Jul 11 19:59:37 lol yes vagrantc :) Jul 11 19:59:41 heh Jul 11 19:59:43 are they truly users or are they (l)users ? :P Jul 11 19:59:52 wait .. beagle has Users?! Jul 11 19:59:56 Jul 11 19:59:58 they're what i refer to as "gimme's" Jul 11 20:00:12 they want someone else to do al their "homework" for them Jul 11 20:00:30 so, the MLO can be installed directly to the device itself, rather than on the filesystem? Jul 11 20:01:12 and can the MLO load from ext* filesystems? Jul 11 20:01:24 it can, with the am335x for sure... but the old omap3 stuff, is questionaable/untested.. Jul 11 20:01:29 or is FAT really the only way to do it? Jul 11 20:01:44 vagrantc, its in the TRM Jul 11 20:01:58 Well, if we can get ext4 support in MLO, we could drop the fat partition. Jul 11 20:02:11 that would be nice. Jul 11 20:02:40 it's in the back of my mind, i know jasonk really wants me to do that too in the factory images.. Jul 11 20:02:44 sorry .. such spam Jul 11 20:03:28 vagrantc, but can you image the number of wiki guides that'll be wrong. ;) Jul 11 20:04:05 good thing wikis are easy to edit! Jul 11 20:04:25 change is evil ;) Jul 11 20:05:09 i know opensuse did a mlo-ext2 patch... Jul 11 20:05:27 (and the rest of us kinda ignored it) Jul 11 20:06:15 Hrm, I think my next project with a beagle will be a robot with chainsaw hands. Jul 11 20:07:04 nate`: i've already got support for it, just drop this uEnv.txt in your /boot/uboot dir. Jul 11 20:07:07 My lazy computerized ass is trying to figure out how to deal with the various land masses my realtor just sent me and all need heavy clearing. Jul 11 20:07:10 found it: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/u-boot-omap3beagle/mlo-ext2.patch?expand=1 Jul 11 20:07:16 lol Jul 11 20:07:44 It's either a robot with chainsaws or go through the process of obtaining stump exploders. Jul 11 20:08:18 Not sure which would be more fun. Jul 11 20:08:26 enable_chainsaw_hands=1 is really the magic boot parameter... Jul 11 20:09:20 the one thing I am hating on the beagle, one USB port Jul 11 20:09:46 add a hub :) Jul 11 20:09:51 Bright side, those car cigarette lighter to USB adaptors are only two bucks at the damn gas station. Jul 11 20:10:09 * vagrantc wouldn't mind the 1 USB port if it worked with multiplatform kernels... Jul 11 20:10:24 veremit: most of my stuff deals with out door application, addint more crap into water proof containers makes one get all sorts of cutty with wires. Jul 11 20:10:41 get a large ip67 box nate ;) Jul 11 20:10:50 the odd thing, if "chipidea" can do it, why can't the 'musb' driver be written do work on multi. ;) Jul 11 20:10:53 and several ip glands hehe Jul 11 20:11:08 My next project after this truck computer happens to be a "stake" of sorts. Jul 11 20:11:17 rcn-ee: wow, that link only shows me three lines at a time... heh. Jul 11 20:11:47 To monitor and automate the farm I'm building. Has to be small and solar. Also needs wifi to run b.a.t.m.a.n. Jul 11 20:12:26 did a proof of concept on this with two old android phones. Jul 11 20:12:28 Think it should work Jul 11 20:12:45 lol Jul 11 20:12:51 good luck mate :) Jul 11 20:13:02 openmesh network over three or so acres Jul 11 20:13:22 rcn-ee, doent seem to be too complex less than 175 lines there Jul 11 20:14:07 i wont pretend to understand it all though Jul 11 20:14:44 it looks pretty simple, just hacking up the spl-fat.. (i haven't researched file systems either) but it "shouldn't" be too hard to cleanup and make it proper.. Jul 11 20:14:54 is there a decent arduino shield someone would recommend for beagle? My pH automation right now is being done with a pi but those take forever for me to obtain. Jul 11 20:15:25 beagle will take longer nate Jul 11 20:15:42 I ordered one three weeks ago and got it in three days. Jul 11 20:15:47 pH automation ? Jul 11 20:15:50 Last pi i ordered was six months ago and still waiting. Jul 11 20:15:59 m_billybob: I do aquaponics. I also teach it. Jul 11 20:16:17 so what are we talkign ere ? one sensor ? Jul 11 20:16:18 So monitoring my pH and automating correcting it is very important or I kill my closed loop biological system Jul 11 20:16:42 ok, one sensor and a relay ? Jul 11 20:16:47 I just like having something doing that for me so if I have to go out of town for work my fish won't die. Jul 11 20:16:56 basically. Jul 11 20:17:09 Just that what I've done was with a pi and pi alamode Jul 11 20:17:10 msp430G2553 would probably work Jul 11 20:17:18 $2 chip Jul 11 20:17:45 But with the next aquaponics system I'm planning on building in two years or so will be roughly 30k gallons of water. Jul 11 20:17:59 So need multiples and if I can build something faster the happier I will be. Jul 11 20:18:04 rcn-ee: a cheap workaround might be to make a small partition just for the MLO and u-boot Jul 11 20:18:33 Right now I have the "throw away income" so if I can build now I might as well in my test systems and get them ready to deploy. Jul 11 20:18:53 nate, it would require you to learn how to use an MSP430, but they have several periphs like UART SPI I2C etc Jul 11 20:19:02 rcn-ee: and then not export that via the g_multi stuff Jul 11 20:19:45 vagrantc, that's what i did in my last test image. Just MLO/u-boot.img in a 16Mb fat, the offical image has 96Mb partition for windows drivers.. Jul 11 20:19:54 Of course this would go faster if I could just get one of these damn elusive farm grants. Jul 11 20:19:59 Damn you USDA. Jul 11 20:20:35 rcn-ee: could even be as small as 1MB, no? Jul 11 20:22:46 got to run for a bit guys have fun, and good luck with the brainstorming session Jul 11 20:22:48 vagrantc, trying to optimze for: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/KernelArchived/Projects/FlashCardSurvey torn between 4/8/12/16... Jul 11 20:25:15 it was easier when we had zImage/initrd.img/dtbs in boot. ;) Jul 11 20:26:07 rcn-ee: well, the debian build of u-boot is currently 78k for MLO and ~330k for u-boot.img ... so 4MB would allow for significant bloat. Jul 11 20:28:01 Should just do that, and quit worrying about a speed regression, someone will complain and we will deal with it then. ;) Jul 11 20:29:34 ah, different partition sizes could result in potential boot speed issues? Jul 11 20:30:07 just mmc speeds, a lot of these cards where designed for fat32, so if we misalign the start of the partition... Jul 11 20:32:44 i think we are fine with 4mb, it's just that we are so core limited, we need all the mmc speed we can get.. I'll test things this weekend to see if really makes a difference. Jul 11 20:33:49 it'd be a shame to waste an extra 12MB if it wasn't needed, too. Jul 11 20:40:07 12 mb? Jul 11 20:40:47