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Aug 09 03:54:04 <elchicharo> Anyone have a pointer to the NODEJS config that is running the onboard default website...
Aug 09 03:54:13 <elchicharo> I'd like to see how its all setup.
Aug 09 07:48:55 <suger> hi hi on original BONE running Angstrom and looking for the simplest way to play a video file via LCD7 cape. Having tremendous difficulty. Was able to by installing android but must be something I am missing. I ma very linux  newbie... thanks
Aug 09 07:50:50 <woglinde> suger the bone was not made to play videos
Aug 09 07:55:17 <tbr> if it's SD and not 720p, then the cpu might keep up, but it's not very efficient. It doesn't have a decoder/accelerator.
Aug 09 08:05:13 <suger> thanks woglinde i was able to get it to play well running jellybean. I guess I will return tothat method
Aug 09 08:06:08 <suger> thanks tbr I will use Jellybean again, worked good enough for my needs just a shame not to be running Linux
Aug 09 08:06:50 <tbr> suger: a) android is linux b) what stops you from installing some player on angstrom or debian?
Aug 09 08:07:33 <suger> tbr: a) lol b) the only thing stopping me is my lack of knowledge
Aug 09 08:07:59 <suger> I have tried various methods and followed some threads on the subject but has proven more difficult than i thought
Aug 09 08:08:43 <suger> i have tried using mplayer on angstrom but it does not want to play on the LCD7. I have seen others in forums also having a hard time with that..
Aug 09 12:28:23 <Sonu> hello
Aug 09 12:29:14 <Sonu> My Beaglebone Black as not talking to my PC
Aug 09 12:29:35 <Sonu> earlier its doing well
Aug 09 12:30:40 <Sonu> i guess run a cmd opkg upgrage without using memory card and as it taking to much time so i pressed ctrl+c and moved out
Aug 09 12:31:05 <Sonu> please suggest how to reset it to previous working state
Aug 09 12:45:08 <biot> setting the direction of a gpio pin to out, even if it's already set to out, resets that pin's output to 0
Aug 09 12:45:16 <biot> </random factoid>
Aug 09 15:26:25 <harvey_slash> hello
Aug 09 15:26:29 <harvey_slash> is anybody here ?
Aug 09 15:27:13 <harvey_slash> I would like to extend the beagleboards' support
Aug 09 15:27:28 <harvey_slash> i have proposed a forum in stackexchange
Aug 09 15:27:32 <harvey_slash> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/75393/thedailybeagle?referrer=Uvba9Rwi6tOTNSGZPdqQ_w2
Aug 09 15:27:33 <jkridner> harvey_slash: k.
Aug 09 15:28:22 <harvey_slash> hello @jkrinder
Aug 09 15:28:25 <jkridner> harvey_slash: bringing in questions from http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/beaglebone-black ?
Aug 09 15:28:44 <harvey_slash> thats is not a dedicated website
Aug 09 15:29:05 <jkridner> bringing in answers from http://elinux.org?
Aug 09 15:29:10 <harvey_slash> its going to attract more users if beagleboards have a dedicated websites
Aug 09 15:29:12 <harvey_slash> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/75393/thedailybeagle?referrer=Uvba9Rwi6tOTNSGZPdqQ_w2
Aug 09 15:29:18 <harvey_slash> can you visit the url ?
Aug 09 15:29:27 <jkridner> that was the first thing I did.
Aug 09 15:29:41 <jkridner> I just don't want to put in a bunch of effort if there isn't critical mass.
Aug 09 15:29:53 <harvey_slash> okay, are you aware of the following that stackexchange websites have ?
Aug 09 15:29:56 <Decessus_> harvey_slash, I'm not sure if that would be the case. 9 times out of 10 these days, I will not use a site if I have to register yet another account
Aug 09 15:29:59 <jkridner> I'd want to see building off of existing solutions and migration of answers.
Aug 09 15:30:32 <harvey_slash> stackexchange websites dont require registration
Aug 09 15:30:37 <jkridner> harvey_slash: answers are in abundance.
Aug 09 15:30:46 <jkridner> organization of said answers is another story.
Aug 09 15:30:51 <harvey_slash> and there is the mass from other stackexchange links
Aug 09 15:30:56 <Decessus_> harvey_slash, I'm talking from a 'helper' stand-point
Aug 09 15:31:10 <Decessus_> It would be silly to accept anon answers on something like this
Aug 09 15:31:19 <harvey_slash> I dont get you.
Aug 09 15:32:22 <harvey_slash> see, when users google, its fairly hard to find answers for the beaglebones
Aug 09 15:32:26 <Decessus_> Well stackexchange types are question and answer forums. Yes, to look at the issue, no account is required. But to post a question/answer, and account would be required.
Aug 09 15:32:55 <jkridner> harvey_slash: I am very happy to help you get answers to any of the questions, but I'll answer them either here or on http://beagleboard.org/discuss and you are free to link back to the answers or copy them wholesale.
Aug 09 15:33:17 <madcoder_> Hello. I just got my BBB and trying to do a digitalRead on USR0 to find the state of the LED. Does a code example for this exist?
Aug 09 15:33:28 <harvey_slash> It wouldnt hurt to make a stackexchange website
Aug 09 15:33:45 <harvey_slash> raspberryPi has a fan following just from the website itself
Aug 09 15:35:20 <harvey_slash> if anyone is in for it, please follow it. http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/75393/thedailybeagle?referrer=Uvba9Rwi6tOTNSGZPdqQ_w2
Aug 09 15:35:32 <Decessus_> Yes but the rPi has extended multi-media features. The BBB will attract most programmers while the rPi will attract a lot of people that just want a cheap smart tv
Aug 09 15:35:38 <harvey_slash> this will begin the website's commitment phase
Aug 09 15:35:48 <jkridner> harvey_slash: I'm happy with you setting up a stackexchange site, but please look at the existing stackexchanges to see if there is overlap. what we don't need is another place where people DON'T get answers.
Aug 09 15:36:01 <jkridner> we have critical mass here and on http://beagleboard.org/discuss....
Aug 09 15:36:38 <jkridner> I look for people to bring answers from those places into other venues to help ORGANIZE them... but just having more places where people ask questions isn't going to generate a better experience.
Aug 09 15:36:47 <jkridner> harvey_slash: anyway, I followed.
Aug 09 15:36:57 <harvey_slash> thank you
Aug 09 15:37:16 <jkridner> harvey_slash: I suspect it'll be fairly obvious if questions aren't getting answered.
Aug 09 15:37:20 <harvey_slash> i dont see any added followers
Aug 09 15:37:33 <jkridner> harvey_slash: if you want, I can forward you a list of FAQs that I need to get around to answering at some point.
Aug 09 15:37:44 <harvey_slash> yes, and why not answer there ?
Aug 09 15:38:06 <harvey_slash> people would rather answer there on other websites
Aug 09 15:38:28 <harvey_slash> there is a fair amount of hype in stackexchange, with the reputation, and badges/award system
Aug 09 15:39:44 <jkridner> harvey_slash: I don't want to be the only one answering. need critical mass.
Aug 09 15:40:15 <harvey_slash> btw, just curious, you are related to the development of the board?
Aug 09 15:40:16 <jkridner> harvey_slash: anyway, feel free to escalate any questions not being answered and I'm happy to answer here or on http://beagleboard.org/discuss
Aug 09 15:40:21 <jkridner> harvey_slash: yes.
Aug 09 15:40:30 <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/about -- I'm Jason.
Aug 09 15:40:58 <harvey_slash> okay, hello . I had guessed, but needed to make sure.
Aug 09 15:41:13 <jkridner> not my desire to answer all the questions. lot's of people in this community who are better experts than me.
Aug 09 15:41:27 <harvey_slash> its not something personal or me not getting any answers
Aug 09 15:41:41 <jkridner> but, if something isn't getting answered, it is my responsibility to make sure it is answered --- once.
Aug 09 15:42:02 <harvey_slash> i just found this great product, and NONE of my friends knew much about this board, but all were raspberryPi lovers
Aug 09 15:42:03 <jkridner> harvey_slash: I understand the desire for additional venues that better serve different audiences.
Aug 09 15:42:28 <jkridner> harvey_slash: so, I support you, but I can't monitor 1,000 different forums.
Aug 09 15:42:55 <jkridner> your question on GPIO pins has about a billion answers to it...
Aug 09 15:42:57 <harvey_slash> thats the thing, you wont need to monitor it as much as you monitor your forum
Aug 09 15:43:08 <jkridner> it'll be up to you to say the question is answered sufficiently.
Aug 09 15:43:14 <jkridner> there is a lot of information to know.
Aug 09 15:43:23 <harvey_slash> because there is an award hype, OTHER users will jump in
Aug 09 15:43:27 <jkridner> the processor on the board as an over 4,000 page technical reference manual to begin.
Aug 09 15:43:35 <jkridner> the board has a 400 page system reference manual.
Aug 09 15:43:55 <jkridner> again, ANSWERS are in abundance.... but presentation of those answers is a challenge.
Aug 09 15:44:06 <harvey_slash> yes, i understand its a big thing, but once stackexchange starts, it will become self sustaining
Aug 09 15:44:28 <harvey_slash> i am a user of stackoverflow, and its barely moderated by ONE single user
Aug 09 15:44:29 * jkridner mumbles about last words
Aug 09 15:44:46 <harvey_slash> instead, other co-users work to self correct
Aug 09 15:44:53 <harvey_slash> the community in general
Aug 09 15:45:39 <jkridner> how about the question "why should I use a BeagleBone over Raspberry Pi?"
Aug 09 15:45:42 <harvey_slash> i personally feel that your board should get more exposure
Aug 09 15:45:43 * jkridner waits for the trolls to attack.
Aug 09 15:46:03 <jkridner> 1) PRUs
Aug 09 15:46:04 <harvey_slash> that is not a valid question for the website
Aug 09 15:46:07 <jkridner> 2) open hardware
Aug 09 15:46:18 <harvey_slash> so, it will be downvoted quickly, and deleted
Aug 09 15:46:21 <tawr> Howdy all, how goes it
Aug 09 15:46:24 <jkridner> 3) ships ready to use w/o needing to buy other stuff.
Aug 09 15:46:30 <jkridner> ...and on.
Aug 09 15:47:06 <jkridner> harvey_slash: understood, just trying to make the point that just because you have a forum, doesn't mean that people will see why they should pay attention to it.
Aug 09 15:47:35 <harvey_slash> its a Q/A website , meant for no nonsense solutions
Aug 09 15:47:50 <harvey_slash> and for the benefit of future users with the same problems
Aug 09 15:48:30 <harvey_slash> are you a stackoverflow user?
Aug 09 15:48:39 * jkridner goes back to moving beagleboard.org over to a static Jekyll website
Aug 09 15:48:52 <jkridner> harvey_slash: not really
Aug 09 15:49:13 <harvey_slash> please see how it works for a day
Aug 09 15:49:33 <harvey_slash> the people get their questions answered in minutes/sometimes even seconds
Aug 09 15:50:13 <harvey_slash> i understand that its not going to be THIS quick in this case, but stackexchange has ads placed on their other websites
Aug 09 15:50:28 <harvey_slash> so, the board will get more exposure
Aug 09 15:51:01 * woglinde wonders how stackexachange differs from a wiki
Aug 09 15:51:26 <woglinde> and why one tries to be don quiote
Aug 09 15:53:02 <harvey_slash> but anyway, if you want , you CAN try branching it to the stack exchange, it will only make things better
Aug 09 15:53:13 <harvey_slash> maybe notify users, ask in google forms
Aug 09 15:54:01 <harvey_slash> https://drive.google.com/previewtemplate?id=0Ahl81CeMShmVdHhQT2JhcUJhVWpsMUVCbHBPMkJYZEE&mode=public
Aug 09 15:54:49 <harvey_slash> you can take users' feedback and see if they like the idea of having a stackexchange website more than a traditional forum
Aug 09 15:55:24 <harvey_slash> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/75393/beaglebone this is my proposal. note that there is no profit for me here, i was just trying to help
Aug 09 16:00:37 <harvey_slash> hello all
Aug 09 16:01:19 <honestly> I'd like to note that while stackoverflow has the advantage of being very easy to google, shapado is a FOSS clone that is, well, free and open source.
Aug 09 16:01:59 <harvey_slash> yes, but the end user will not care about the open source
Aug 09 16:02:14 <harvey_slash> he would just want answers
Aug 09 16:02:20 <agmlego> Many will, actually.
Aug 09 16:02:36 <agmlego> Given that the bone is 100% open-source and all...
Aug 09 16:04:05 <harvey_slash> what do you mean  by open source when it comes to providing answers ?
Aug 09 16:04:52 <agmlego> harvey_slash: Um...all of the software that runs on the bone is FOSS. All of the hardware that makes up the bone is OSHW.
Aug 09 16:04:56 <honestly> harvey_slash: you don't seem to quite understand what FOS(S) is all about...
Aug 09 16:05:21 <agmlego> harvey_slash: So, the entire platform is open-source. This is a big draw to a certain type of person.
Aug 09 16:05:37 <harvey_slash> I just wanted to make a simple and easy to use question and answer APART from the default
Aug 09 16:05:44 <harvey_slash> the same way the raspberry pi is doing
Aug 09 16:05:46 <agmlego> harvey_slash: So, any Q/A solution should at least think about also catering to that.
Aug 09 16:05:58 <agmlego> harvey_slash: Why should we follow their model?
Aug 09 16:06:10 <harvey_slash> i am just telling you that its working
Aug 09 16:06:16 <agmlego> Is it?
Aug 09 16:06:29 <harvey_slash> and because its not going to cost a lot of resources, you can branch it
Aug 09 16:07:15 <agmlego> Branching something that does not exist yet and serves, from my perspective, no additional purpose takes literally infinitely more resources than, you know, not doing anythign at all.
Aug 09 16:07:49 <harvey_slash> alright, but whats the harm in trying ?
Aug 09 16:07:52 <tawr> I'm really sorry to interrupt such a serious discussion, I just had a quick question, my BBB comes in Wed. I just want to make sure I'm not an idiot for this idea, but would I be able to use a Y cable to split my 5v supply between the BBB and a powered hub?
Aug 09 16:08:13 <agmlego> tawr: I would think so, yes.
Aug 09 16:08:55 <agmlego> harvey_slash: None whatsoever. YOu already have tentative sanction from one of the project leaders, and you obviously have a lot of interest and expertise in running this kind of thing. Thanks for volunteering your resources!
Aug 09 16:09:13 <harvey_slash> I dont have expertise
Aug 09 16:09:15 <agmlego> harvey_slash: In other words, the person proposing a thing, is pretty much in charge of the thing.
Aug 09 16:09:29 <agmlego> harvey_slash: Oh, well, that is disappointing then. How will you make this work then?
Aug 09 16:09:49 <harvey_slash> I just wanted you people to know what the end user feels
Aug 09 16:09:58 <tawr> agmlego, just wasn't sure if some sort of odd feedback might happen. Are the case logic cases as good as they seem? And the TP WN722N are supported out of the box properly? Thanks again
Aug 09 16:10:12 <agmlego> harvey_slash: I *am* an end user, and I do not feel this way.
Aug 09 16:10:28 <harvey_slash> most people have complains about the BB not having great support
Aug 09 16:10:29 <agmlego> tawr: I have no idea, to either of those.
Aug 09 16:10:54 <agmlego> harvey_slash: I have yet to meet one in person, and there are a *lot* of beaglebone users in my hackerspace.
Aug 09 16:11:02 <tawr> agmlego, no worries - thanks anyhow :)
Aug 09 16:11:16 <agmlego> harvey_slash: Besides, what if it does? Not like that is any different from any other product or project out there.
Aug 09 16:11:18 <harvey_slash> you can browse all the reviews you want to
Aug 09 16:11:45 <agmlego> harvey_slash: Why would I want to browse reviews on a product I already have lots of experience with?
Aug 09 16:11:48 <harvey_slash> I am just wanting the BB to have better support, so people are aware, AND attracted to it
Aug 09 16:12:22 <harvey_slash> yes, but some people are starting with embedded systems, and they only have the reviews
Aug 09 16:12:24 <agmlego> harvey_slash: Basically, I am not sure what your argument is, or what you are still trying to get from this channel. If you want a StackExchange for the bone, go make one. None of us is going to stop you.
Aug 09 16:12:48 <harvey_slash> yes, but it requires a certain amount of users to kickstart it
Aug 09 16:12:57 <harvey_slash> around 60 to reach the commitment phase
Aug 09 16:13:13 <agmlego> But by the same token, the project *already* has what it considers sufficient support channels; you are unlikely to get the project to add yet another just because of a mythical "end user".
Aug 09 16:13:33 <harvey_slash> thats why I came here to ask if more people , but it seems that my idea was turned down
Aug 09 16:13:39 <agmlego> As with most things in the open-source world, you need to make the change you want to see.
Aug 09 16:13:45 <harvey_slash> anyway, thank you all for your time
Aug 09 16:28:41 <woglinde> there goes don quiote
Aug 09 16:29:05 <agmlego> *Quixote
Aug 09 16:29:39 <woglinde> reminds on people who asking disabled people for help and the disable people says "no" and the people starts helping ignoring the "no"
Aug 09 16:29:47 <woglinde> thanks agmlego
Aug 09 16:29:51 <agmlego> No worries.
Aug 09 16:29:57 <agmlego> The 'x' is a little weird to be there.
Aug 09 16:29:59 <woglinde> was to lazy to google it up
Aug 09 16:56:26 <tawr> lol woglinde
Aug 09 17:03:28 <woglinde> tawr hm it is not really lol
Aug 09 17:03:35 <woglinde> it is sad
Aug 09 17:03:52 <tawr> I've been on both sides, so perhaps I can appreciate it slightly
Aug 09 17:04:03 <woglinde> tawr oh okay
Aug 09 17:04:05 <woglinde> ,)
Aug 09 17:04:53 <tawr> Frankly, most people are so self-absorbed and entitled they can't even think to utter a thank you when you hold the door open for them
Aug 09 17:05:15 <tawr> So I doubt there are any people forcibly helping someone disadvantaged against their will anymore..
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Aug 10 01:52:44 <RockyZheng> #zstack
Aug 10 01:58:02 <RockyZheng> #zigbee
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