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Sep 08 03:24:28 <BeagleBoneNewbie> XBee has nothing to do with Zigbee last time I checked
Sep 08 03:25:42 <BeagleBoneNewbie> Is it true that if you want to use zigbee for commercial purposes you will have to pay the zigbee alliance more than $3K per year to join them?
Sep 08 03:27:14 <BeagleBoneNewbie> this is what I get from wikipedia
Sep 08 03:27:20 <BeagleBoneNewbie> "For non-commercial purposes, the ZigBee specification is available free to the general public.[11] An entry level membership in the ZigBee Alliance, called Adopter, provides access to the as-yet unpublished specifications and permission to create products for market using the specifications."
Sep 08 03:27:49 <BeagleBoneNewbie> "The requirements for membership in the ZigBee Alliance cause problems for Free Software developers because the annual fee conflicts with the GNU General Public Licence.[12] The requirement for the developer to join the ZigBee Alliance similarly conflicts with most other free software licenses."
Sep 08 03:28:57 <BeagleBoneNewbie> "The ZigBee Alliance board has been asked to make their license compatible with GPL, but the ZigBee board refused. The refusal came, even though Bluetooth had already changed their license to make it compatible with GPL. Linux developers seem ready to abandon ZigBee, and use TCP/IP instead"
Sep 08 03:29:58 <BeagleBoneNewbie> I guess this is why I do not see support for zigbee in the linux kernel
Sep 08 04:26:21 <m_billybob> more greedy people out there i guess
Sep 08 04:26:31 <m_billybob> what else is new
Sep 08 04:29:24 <BHSPiMonkey> Anyone know what it means when the BBB turns completely off several minutes into a flashing attempt?
Sep 08 04:29:51 <BHSPiMonkey> Everything I read suggests that all the LEDs turn on solid after successful flashing
Sep 08 04:30:06 <m_billybob> remove the sdcard and try booting it
Sep 08 04:30:22 <BeagleBoneNewbie> Yeah but it seems that the zigbee alliance has come out with ZigBee IP now wich uses 6LowPan but I cannot see if the license is GPL compatible
Sep 08 04:30:25 <m_billybob> there are several different ways this flasher images go about that and ive stoped keeping track
Sep 08 04:30:32 <BHSPiMonkey> Tried once, didn't seem to be back at default state
Sep 08 04:30:54 <m_billybob> sometimes you'll have to reapply power more thanonce
Sep 08 04:31:09 <BHSPiMonkey> I figure it's failing in some capacity, but it's hard to know what happened with no visual or ssh
Sep 08 04:31:31 <m_billybob> you have no serial debug cable / module ?
Sep 08 04:32:13 <m_billybob> ttyo0 does work on the flasher images
Sep 08 04:33:02 <BHSPiMonkey> nope
Sep 08 04:33:10 <m_billybob> BHSPiMonkey, but if i had to make a guess, i would guessthat you're using USB power and perhaps you need to use a "real" power supply
Sep 08 04:34:05 <BHSPiMonkey> m_billybob: I've done one flash attempt off a USB port and another from a 5V USB AC adapter with the same outcome
Sep 08 04:34:09 <m_billybob> quite honestly though i've been powering my own A5A since last year off USB with zero problems, but ive never attempted to flash the eMMC
Sep 08 04:34:42 <m_billybob> whihc flasher image are you using ?
Sep 08 04:34:45 <BHSPiMonkey> debian
Sep 08 04:34:54 <m_billybob> whats the date on it . . .
Sep 08 04:35:07 <BHSPiMonkey> it's the one on the current download page
Sep 08 04:35:15 <m_billybob> theres several
Sep 08 04:35:21 <BHSPiMonkey> not really
Sep 08 04:35:28 <m_billybob> give me a link or filename lol
Sep 08 04:35:28 <BHSPiMonkey> there's one for flashing and one for live boot
Sep 08 04:35:56 <BHSPiMonkey>  Debian (BeagleBone Black - 2GB eMMC) 2014-05-14 - more info - bittorrent - md5: 74615fb680af8f252c034d3807c9b4ae
Sep 08 04:36:06 <m_billybob> i mean "debian" youmay as well have responded with "cheesespread" lol
Sep 08 04:36:11 <BHSPiMonkey> http://debian.beagleboard.org/images/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz
Sep 08 04:36:17 <BHSPiMonkey> not really
Sep 08 04:36:26 <m_billybob> yes really
Sep 08 04:36:44 <BHSPiMonkey> there's only one debian distro on the latest-images page
Sep 08 04:36:58 <m_billybob> there are much newer images than that
Sep 08 04:37:29 <BHSPiMonkey> that's impossible; it says "latest" right in the title :P
Sep 08 04:37:32 <m_billybob> they are labled "testing" but for the most part they're all the same
Sep 08 04:37:54 <m_billybob> BHSPiMonkey,  serious stop trying to counterdict me i know what im talking about
Sep 08 04:38:18 <m_billybob> if you give me a minute and listen i might be able to helpyou out
Sep 08 04:38:45 <BHSPiMonkey> who says I'm not listening?
Sep 08 04:40:19 <m_billybob> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Image_Testing_Snapshots
Sep 08 04:41:33 <m_billybob> anyhow yo uhave two options ther for types, flasher or standalone. standalone can also be configured to flash as well
Sep 08 04:43:20 <m_billybob> i know the august 5th standalone for LXDE and console both work, flasher im not sure, but as i said before the standalone can be configuredto flash the emmc fairly easily
Sep 08 04:48:39 <BHSPiMonkey> ahh, it finally started working
Sep 08 06:03:05 <CoffeeSleep> Hello
Sep 08 07:49:06 <BHSPiMonkey> Ugh, it did it again
Sep 08 07:49:32 <BHSPiMonkey> This time all I did was create a user and apt-get upgrade, and now after reboot there's no ssh or http
Sep 08 18:03:54 <BHSPiMonkey> After booting my (Debian) BBB in factory state, adding a user, doing an apt-get upgrade, and rebooting, the system no longer appears on the network and I can't connect to it
Sep 08 18:04:29 <BHSPiMonkey> This is the second time this has happened (I did a reflash after the first)
Sep 08 18:04:36 <BHSPiMonkey> Anyone know what could be causing this
Sep 08 18:04:48 <vagrantc> running out of disk space?
Sep 08 18:10:19 <tbr> BHSPiMonkey: I'd recommend checking it out over the UART
Sep 08 18:13:21 <BHSPiMonkey> vagrantc: nah, I have the 4GB model and it's only 50% in use
Sep 08 18:13:53 <BHSPiMonkey> tbr: I'm not equipped to do that at the moment
Sep 08 18:14:20 <BHSPiMonkey> I guess I'll have to keep reflashing and doing regression tests until I find out exactly what reproduces this
Sep 08 18:14:38 <tbr> BHSPiMonkey: does it come up over USB?
Sep 08 18:14:50 <BHSPiMonkey> tbr: when I last tried, no
Sep 08 18:15:51 <BHSPiMonkey> but the LED heartbeat is active, and pressing the power button triggers a normal-looking flurry of LED activity followed by a shutdown
Sep 08 18:16:35 <vagrantc> what did you upgrade to?
Sep 08 18:16:42 <BHSPiMonkey> also the Ethernet LEDs blink as though it's active, even though it's not requesting an IP from my router
Sep 08 18:17:12 <BHSPiMonkey> vagrantc: I just ran an 'apt-get upgrade' as root. It updated a handful of libraries as well as the 'beaglebone' package
Sep 08 18:23:49 <thurgood_> make sure that it's actually using the entire eMMC
Sep 08 19:38:30 <TM26> Where i can find BBB cases ??
Sep 08 19:41:23 <TM26> Not ? Anyone ..
Sep 08 19:43:35 <thurgood_> TM26: special comp has some slightly overpriced acrylic cases
Sep 08 19:43:53 <thurgood_> but they do fit :P
Sep 08 19:48:40 <TM26> :( so i have to make one on my own !!
Sep 08 19:49:15 <woglinde> 3d printing is cheap
Sep 08 19:49:58 <TM26> thurgood_ , woglinde , here in mexico i cant find a good 3d printer
Sep 08 19:50:26 <TM26> How i can get the measures from the board ??
Sep 08 19:50:31 <woglinde> hm print in us and let it send you
Sep 08 19:50:33 <TM26> Or where ??
Sep 08 19:50:44 <woglinde> o.O
Sep 08 19:50:50 <TM26> Yeah great idea !
Sep 08 19:51:10 <woglinde> you even can not find the length and height yourself?
Sep 08 19:51:15 <woglinde> not even with google
Sep 08 19:51:56 <TM26> :)  sure , hahaha im so stupid !
Sep 08 19:52:30 <woglinde> tm26 good knowing of stupidity is the first step
Sep 08 19:53:10 <TM26> woglinde hahahaha , the fisrt step of many ! :)
Sep 08 19:56:58 <woglinde> aye carmaba or so
Sep 08 19:57:06 <woglinde> caramba
Sep 08 20:01:55 <TM26> woglinde caramba its like Damn ! You speak spanish ??
Sep 08 20:02:02 <woglinde> no
Sep 08 20:02:13 <woglinde> wanted to make a cheap joke
Sep 08 20:02:28 <TM26> Hahaha i notice !
Sep 08 20:02:44 <TM26> Dude im from mexico ,
Sep 08 20:03:12 <TM26> And we use that as a joke !
Sep 08 20:03:16 <TM26> Too
Sep 08 20:05:54 <woglinde> good to know
Sep 08 20:14:02 <TM26> :)
Sep 08 21:03:58 <PurpleDog> the BBB is single core, right?
Sep 08 21:04:24 <agmlego> I believe so, yes.
Sep 08 21:04:26 <thurgood_> mostly
Sep 08 21:05:04 <agmlego> One ARM core, at least.
Sep 08 21:05:06 <thurgood_> it has secondary cores that are realtime, but much slower
Sep 08 21:05:45 <thurgood_> if you want to consider the PRU a core
Sep 08 21:05:57 <PurpleDog> thanks
Sep 08 21:06:47 <agmlego> The PRU does not really count as a core, yet, because the host OS does not (yet) have a way to use it in scheduling.
Sep 08 21:06:58 <agmlego> ANything run on the PRU needs to be run manually.
Sep 08 21:07:12 <agmlego> (though it would be neat if RT_PREEMPT could use them somehow)
Sep 09 00:27:42 <vmayoral> Anyone around remebers how to disable the watchdog without recompiling the kernel?
Sep 09 00:28:15 <rcn-ee> disable it in u-boot?
Sep 09 00:28:34 <ds2> try wdtctl -d
Sep 09 00:28:45 <ds2> but the kernel can be configured to ignore that
Sep 09 00:29:16 <ds2> rcn-ee: btw, looks like most modern distros are F'ed for GigE (just a FYI incase you get complains)
Sep 09 00:31:13 <vmayoral> ds2: thanks, i remember i once uninstalled one of the packages and that did it
Sep 09 00:32:33 <rcn-ee> ds2 is it mostly packet loss, or the cspw driver just sucks?
Sep 09 00:48:21 <ds2> rcn-ee: code is F'ed :) (clock is not setup right)
Sep 09 00:54:50 <bborg_builds> build #35 of runtests started (including [99ce776d25755c3c8d5aaac3184be4e6b9147bde, 171b91922d6180fee94a72b64aa5c93e51c17470] and 50 more)
Sep 09 00:56:32 <JL> Has anyone been able to setup a TNC-Black to work?
Sep 09 00:59:32 <JL> Ok how about some help with UARTS
Sep 09 00:59:50 <rcn-ee> just enable them as an overlay
Sep 09 01:00:31 <veremit> its dead easy
Sep 09 01:02:21 <ds2> what's the reason why all the UARTs are not enabled by default? pin conflicts?
Sep 09 01:02:27 <ds2> desire to irk new users?
Sep 09 01:02:59 <rcn-ee> uart5 is muxed with hdmi.. otherwise, it's your choise spi/usart usart/gpio or...
Sep 09 01:03:27 <ds2> ah pin conflicts
Sep 09 01:03:39 <ds2> <--- obilvious to all this
Sep 09 01:03:57 <veremit> you do know that the pins can be used for different purposes ds2?! :P
Sep 09 01:04:24 <rcn-ee> yeap.. well we have charles unversal pinmux... so every perhieral is enabled, we just change the pins when we want to use it..
Sep 09 01:04:28 <ds2> i just redo the board file for the hw I want
Sep 09 01:04:52 <ds2> HDMI is by default ignored...it only appears as a pesky SI issue on some lines :D
Sep 09 01:05:49 <vmayoral> ds2: tried recompiling the kernel removing the WATCHDOG options from .config but now it automatically reboots after 60s. Any idea which one is the right config so that i can deactivate the watchdog?
Sep 09 01:06:17 <ds2> vmayoral: which watchdog are you using?
Sep 09 01:06:28 <ds2> the sitara one? external one?
Sep 09 01:06:56 <vmayoral> i believe none
Sep 09 01:06:59 <vmayoral> cat config-3.8.13-bone64.1 |grep WATCHDOG
Sep 09 01:06:59 <vmayoral> # CONFIG_WATCHDOG is not set
Sep 09 01:07:13 <ds2> what hardware?
Sep 09 01:07:15 <vmayoral> BBB
Sep 09 01:07:16 <JL> So my reason for asking is..... I have a TNC-Black cape for packet radio and am tying to get it to work.
Sep 09 01:07:21 <ds2> try power cycling it
Sep 09 01:07:31 <ds2> some hw are not reset right on soft reset
Sep 09 01:07:43 <ds2> and IIRC, the watch dog isn't a full hard reset :/
Sep 09 01:07:52 <JL> It is set to use UART1 which I enabled in the uEnv.txt
Sep 09 01:08:13 <rcn-ee> JL, and your not getting ttyO1?
Sep 09 01:08:17 <JL> I am starting to think that the cape has something wrong with it
Sep 09 01:08:46 <vmayoral> ds2: it reboots again
Sep 09 01:09:06 <JL> I am and can read the micro controler's infor and write to it
Sep 09 01:09:33 <rcn-ee> JL, you might want to contact it's creator, there's 100's of capes..
Sep 09 01:09:57 <JL> when I send data to the cape to Transmit there is a TX light that does not light and the push to talk line is not active
Sep 09 01:10:51 <JL> i have and he said that I was above his knowledge of linux
Sep 09 01:11:08 <veremit> lol greeeeeaaaat
Sep 09 01:11:19 <JL> guess i will just scope it and find out where the data is and isn't
Sep 09 01:11:38 <ds2> vmayoral: odd... check your U-boot...it may be enabled there
Sep 09 01:11:52 <ds2> or suse a vendor U-boot
Sep 09 01:11:55 <ds2> use
Sep 09 01:11:59 <ds2> the mainline crap is broken
Sep 09 01:12:10 <rcn-ee> JL, well that cape only enables the tx/rx lines, so if his cape needs something else connected... well..
Sep 09 01:12:59 <rcn-ee> vmayoral, ds2: http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=commit;h=6843918e0035bf06cb65ad2b4c98b38e86e43bd5
Sep 09 01:13:05 <rcn-ee> what version of u-boot?
Sep 09 01:13:30 <JL> nope the radio's inputs are widely different and I have connected it to a "dummy box" that simulates the radio and allows me to send packet data to the cape for decoding
Sep 09 01:14:06 <ds2> disable CONFIG_HW_WATCHDOG
Sep 09 01:14:26 <ds2> rcn-ee: do you know who merged/pushed AM335x support to mainline U-boot?
Sep 09 01:14:51 * vagrantc wonders as well
Sep 09 01:15:05 <vagrantc> would be good to get the env improved
Sep 09 01:15:07 <JL> while i am here i do have another question if i may. can anyone point me to instructions on how to image my OS once I get it where I want it. That way I can fast restore when I muck things up
Sep 09 01:15:11 <rcn-ee> I think Tom's the only one watching it... But it is really google's u-boot now. ;)
Sep 09 01:15:47 <vagrantc> and new upstream makes it harder to see
Sep 09 01:15:49 <ds2> rcn-ee: some of the init code got dropped/lost
Sep 09 01:16:26 <rcn-ee> Yeah, we had a bunch of random hacks that never got mainline..
Sep 09 01:17:11 <ds2> rcn-ee: well, that's what's F'ing GigE :)
Sep 09 01:17:42 <rcn-ee> i think that's just a regressiong thanks to the v3.16.x clock patchset, because v3.15.x works fine for you?
Sep 09 01:18:19 <rcn-ee> i got another am335x board last friday with gigbit, so i can test it now..
Sep 09 01:18:25 <ds2> nope.
Sep 09 01:18:38 <ds2> even pre clock patch is broken by it
Sep 09 01:18:43 <ds2> at least for me
Sep 09 01:18:51 <ds2> I thought that was it
Sep 09 01:19:08 <rcn-ee> sweet, well u-boot's quicker to hack up. ;)
Sep 09 01:19:24 <ds2> yes... once you find the place to hack it :P
Sep 09 01:19:31 <ds2> burned 4 days chasing this down
Sep 09 01:19:48 <ds2> <--- not happy about all this
Sep 09 01:20:01 <rcn-ee> yeah... those suck! ;)
Sep 09 01:23:47 <ds2> it was only a 1 line fix....
Sep 09 01:24:01 <vmayoral> ds2, rcn-ee: thanks for the support.
Sep 09 01:24:09 <vmayoral> ds2: there's no CONFIG_HW_WATCHDOG enabled
Sep 09 01:24:34 <ds2> vmayoral: how are you powering the board?
Sep 09 01:24:45 <vmayoral> USB
Sep 09 01:25:01 <ds2> you sure it is a watchdog problem and not a power problem?
Sep 09 01:25:07 <vmayoral> removing CONFIG_OMAP_WATCHDOG makes it reboot every 60s again.
Sep 09 01:25:16 <vmayoral> ds2: i'm staring to think that with the default config it's not
Sep 09 01:25:38 <ds2> never seen that behavior
Sep 09 01:25:45 <vmayoral> the truth is that it goes down when I enable WiFi over a dongle (the overcurrent matter might be the issue)
Sep 09 01:25:55 <vmayoral> coming back to the default config
Sep 09 01:26:06 <ds2> some usb hubs are very sensitive to overcurrent
Sep 09 01:27:03 <vmayoral> yeap, sounds like that. Will dig a bit furhter
Sep 09 01:27:06 <vmayoral> further*
Sep 09 01:27:14 <ds2> use the barrel connector if you can
Sep 09 01:31:43 <vmayoral> hope you guys have seen the first flight with a Beagle in a copter
Sep 09 01:31:50 <vmayoral> http://erlerobot.com/blog/erle-robotics-team-performs-first-flight-ardupilot-linux/
Sep 09 01:31:54 <vmayoral> pretty exciting times here :)
Sep 09 01:34:11 <ds2> where was that done?
Sep 09 01:37:49 <bborg_builds> build #35 of runtests is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://builds.beagleboard.org/builders/runtests/builds/35
Sep 09 02:33:20 <rorriMnmaD> in standard serial port use with hardware flow enabled
Sep 09 02:33:41 <rorriMnmaD> does the Tx pin idling high vs. idling low make a difference?
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