**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 20 03:00:00 2014 Sep 20 03:34:26 is there some special way to open an ostream to a linux sysfs path? Sep 20 03:34:31 std::ofstream os; os.open("/sys/class/gpio/export", std::ios::app); os << 87; os.close(); Sep 20 03:34:42 that ^^^^ doesn't seem to work. Sep 20 03:58:18 ? Sep 20 14:25:21 Hi. I'm trying to boot minix 3.3 on a beaglebone black. After I flash the microSD, the correct partition table appears to exist, but when I power on the board, all 4 user LEDs light up solid. Anyone run into this problem in the past? Writing another OS to the microSD works just fine and boots, and I have tried the prebuilt minix image and building my own. Sep 20 14:27:51 diyorgasms: look at the debug serial output Sep 20 14:33:44 Thanks. Looks like I'll have to buy an FTDI adapter then. Sep 20 15:41:48 i'm confused Sep 20 15:42:41 i just realized that if i a) disable the OS use of the cape's MMC1 and HDMI/LCD signals, and b) use the standard /sys/class/gpio/export method for gaining access to gpios, everything works fine. Sep 20 15:42:55 so when is a device tree overlay needed? Sep 20 15:43:05 what purpose does it serve? Sep 20 15:44:36 at first i thought it would override the os's use of the mmc1 and hdmi, but it didn't - i had to set a "cape_disable=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G" to do that Sep 20 15:45:00 then i thought it was needed to set pin modes (the pad control register mode) to mode 7. Sep 20 15:45:18 but it doesn't (apparently the os will do that when you export a gpio if it isn't already set) Sep 20 15:46:18 so, for the purpose of gpio usage on the cape, why do you need a dt overlay? Sep 20 15:46:48 are they only required to set the pad control register mode to other modes (e.g., for spi or uart peripherals)? Sep 20 15:48:36 this is for a beaglebone black rev c running debian 3.8.13-bone64 Sep 20 15:50:19 is this thing on? Sep 20 15:50:59 yup Sep 20 15:53:26 also, if i were a cape mfr, and i wanted to use either the mmc1 or lcd signals on the cape, how would an EEPROM overlay do that, since apparently the overlay will not override the os usage of those signals? Sep 20 15:54:34 or am i mistaken on that? i.e., will an overlay override the os device tree signals? seems i was getting errors when loading my overlay in dmesg without disabling via "cape_disable=..." (in /boot/uEnv.txt). Sep 20 15:56:38 vagrantc: ok, that's good to know.. Sep 20 16:01:59 can you smell the color 7? Sep 20 16:02:36 * yates is hoping his previous questions are not as difficult or silly as the last one... Sep 20 16:09:21 are these questions so advanced no one knows the answers? :) Sep 20 16:10:40 no, but not everyone is constantly watching the channel... Sep 20 16:12:02 true enough. Sep 20 16:13:44 yates: The topic says it all. ;-P Sep 20 16:13:53 Mostly the "be patient" line. Sep 20 16:36:49 Hi all. I just got a bbb and wanted to install bone-debian on it Sep 20 16:37:46 when unpacking and connecting the bbb to my Ubuntu 14.04 ultrabook, I saw eth1 as net device and sdb as hdd Sep 20 16:38:47 I then ran dd if=bone-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img of=/dev/sdb Sep 20 16:39:36 from the ubuntu machine? Sep 20 16:39:53 I got a no space on device after 74MB writing and since no more sdx device Sep 20 16:40:07 yes, from the ubuntu Sep 20 16:40:44 I can plug unplug, nothing. eth1 is replaced by usb0 Sep 20 16:40:57 that's probably just the exported fat partition, not the whole device Sep 20 16:41:25 you'll need to write an image to an microSD card Sep 20 16:41:48 ah ... Sep 20 16:42:01 and how to get back the fat partition? Sep 20 16:42:07 is it necessary ? Sep 20 16:42:12 also, if this is a revC BBB, it's already got that image on it Sep 20 16:42:29 although the fat partition is now messed up Sep 20 16:42:53 Hi Sep 20 16:43:23 i am looking for a beagleboard particularly for image processing for a car. Sep 20 16:43:25 tootai: newer images don't strictly need the fat partition Sep 20 16:44:10 ok, will give it a try without fat partition. But is there a way to get it back? Sep 20 16:44:37 tootai: you might be able to dump it from the image file ... but you'd have to get the offsets just right Sep 20 16:44:54 vagrantc: where can I check the REV ? Sep 20 16:45:07 I am new to the beagleboard and know a fair amount of AVR programming. Would like to know more on which model to go for. Sep 20 16:45:11 tootai: better off writing one of the flasher images to SD and reflashing it Sep 20 16:45:32 Arvind: There really are not any variations in "model" of beaglebone. Sep 20 16:45:34 OK, will do it. Thanks vagrantc Sep 20 16:47:19 Ok...I will primarily use it to analyze road bumps so keeping that in mind...beagleboard is more than enough?...note the task is to be executed real time Sep 20 16:47:32 lol @ versions. There's the BBB, which is the cheap 'version', the old Black .. and the White. Sep 20 16:48:02 Arvind: No idea. Try it and see. Sep 20 16:48:16 Arvind: What do you mean by "analyze road bumps"? Sep 20 16:48:55 Analyze how? Accelerometer? 2D imagery? 3D imagery from laser scanners or radar? Depth maps from ultrasonic or IR reflectometry? Sep 20 16:49:20 I meant..understanding the structure of the bump whether it is a step input or a ramp or a inverted parabola... Sep 20 16:49:25 How "real time" does it need to be? What update rate do you need, and what kind of kitter can you tolerate? Sep 20 16:49:43 WHat language will you use? ARM assembly? C? Python? Sep 20 16:50:18 These are all questions that determine your answer--the best way to see if something will work, is to try it and see if it works. Sep 20 16:50:23 Ok it is an ATV and it will be running on a dirt track Sep 20 16:50:27 C Sep 20 16:50:40 The matlab code is convertable to C.. Sep 20 16:52:55 Oh, man. MATLAB code is *not* efficient. Sep 20 16:53:08 YOu are almost better off re-writing it if you need performance. Sep 20 16:53:38 hmm...the code will obviously have to be optimized but the logic is completely through MATLAB... Sep 20 16:54:52 I want to implement a PID control on MATLAB with image processing Sep 20 16:55:08 so all this has to go on the board... Sep 20 16:55:08 SUre, and I understand that. But I have some experience with MATLAB-turned-C, and let me tell you...Microsoft makes more efficient code than that. Sep 20 16:55:17 oh Sep 20 16:55:18 Expect performance issues. Sep 20 16:55:51 I have made the simulink control...just need to add spice to make it different Sep 20 16:56:02 i could just use Arduino...:P Sep 20 16:56:40 I thought of the struggle with MATLAB-turned-C Sep 20 16:57:09 YOu could. I suspect you will run into the same issues with Arduino though, unless you write your own PID code there as well. Sep 20 16:57:12 However i am willing to take that risk... Sep 20 16:57:21 But, again, try it and see. Sep 20 16:57:50 Initially i just though of using the core instructions to make it function while i build the program around it. Sep 20 16:58:12 That would work. Sep 20 16:58:49 Hesitant with the update rate Sep 20 16:59:28 The image processing is just an add on... Sep 20 16:59:59 I suggest you maybe work on better defining your system requirements, then select a board based on them. ;-P Sep 20 17:00:19 the beagle is quite versatile Sep 20 17:00:19 Once you select a board, try the naive approach and see if it works. If it does not, then optimize. Sep 20 17:00:27 Premature optimization is the enemy. Sep 20 17:01:02 speaking of optimization, why don't i hear anyone talking about doing neon instructions on the bbb? Sep 20 17:03:02 yates: Does the Bone's ARM have Neon hardware? Sep 20 21:52:51 hello i've some problems booting archlinux from beaglebone black, i've formatted SD card, put the FAT-16 partition bootable, power from usb charger, i can connect with serial cable, i see that try to boot from u-boot arch linux but at some moment change to standard eMMC Sep 20 21:53:37 the only thing i can read different is the message: File not found /boot/initramfs-linux.img, but there are no info on archlinux for arm website to create a initramfs file Sep 20 21:57:21 <_av500_> pastebin the whole boot log Sep 20 21:59:59 http://pastebin.com/b76uQa4q Sep 20 22:07:03 <_av500_> barsigor: are you holding the button while booting? Sep 20 22:07:31 <_av500_> and you have to cut and apply power, just the reset wont work Sep 20 22:08:22 <_av500_> also, what is in your uEnv.txt Sep 20 22:08:25 yes, i cut the power (i detach the plug), i push the button, then reapply power. With the serial cable i can see the differences, when try to boot from SDCard it show u-boot ARCH linux, when try to boot from eMMC no Sep 20 22:08:51 <_av500_> right, I see that Sep 20 22:08:59 the archlinux eMMC contains only 1 row: optargs=coherent_pool=1M Sep 20 22:09:43 <_av500_> hmm, looks like your bootargs point to the emmc toorfs Sep 20 22:09:53 <_av500_> your log does not show the kernel command line Sep 20 22:10:38 i think is correct becaus is the one shipped directly from beaglebone page on the archlinux website: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/ti/beaglebone-black Sep 20 22:53:28 Is the original dtb used for booting available somewhere in procfs? Sep 20 22:55:44 well the expanded version is under /proc/device-tree Sep 20 22:55:54 rcn-ee, sadly it seems to lack nodes Sep 20 22:56:22 rcn-ee, it's very odd, I loaded a module which owns one of the devices in the devicetree and it found the device Sep 20 22:56:42 rcn-ee, yet /proc/device-tree doesn't show the node responsible Sep 20 22:57:08 rcn-ee, Also, what is the status of gpio_helper? Sep 20 22:57:20 Are there plans to upstream it or something like it? Sep 20 22:58:06 well, we are using pinmux-helper/gpio_helper on v3.14.x so yeah, it should be pushed. .;) Sep 20 22:59:49 rcn-ee, you've seen http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.gpio/1749/focus=1860 Sep 20 22:59:52 ? Sep 20 23:01:09 and http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.gpio/868/focus=870 Sep 20 23:01:31 and http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.gpio/871/focus=879 Sep 20 23:02:05 Linus Walleij suggested the approach in the first thread Sep 20 23:02:38 although that particular implementation was done for reasons other than naming and exporting GPIOs Sep 20 23:04:25 well, we are using pinmux-helper in 3.14, as there's currently no upstream way to do what we want.. That's switch the gpio pinmux between different perhiperals in userspace.. Sep 20 23:04:50 rcn-ee, I guess given that uboot is responsible for giving the kernel a dtb it's not even possible to get the filename that was used, eh? Sep 20 23:05:29 rcn-ee, the gpio-hog work? Sep 20 23:05:55 it'll use the default dtb based on the platform, if you override it, i print that out in u-boot Sep 20 23:06:23 rcn-ee, yeah, the trouble being my cape blocks the debug UART Sep 20 23:06:34 rcn-ee, well, I set dtb in uEnv.txt Sep 20 23:07:00 rcn-ee, on that note, it might be nice if there were an easy way to get uboot to use the default dtb Sep 20 23:07:35 rcn-ee, currently if you set `dtb` in uEnv.txt to a unbootable devicetree it's nearly impossible to recover unless you're using a SD caard Sep 20 23:07:56 either pass dtb=xyz in /boot/uEnv.txt and it'll use that *.dtb over the default one.. Sep 20 23:08:11 rcn-ee, right, that's what I did Sep 20 23:08:33 true.. but i do "test" for the existence... so if you can remove the *.dtb it'll then boot the default.. we can't test if it "works".. Sep 20 23:08:59 rcn-ee, can't remove it if you're booting from emmc however Sep 20 23:09:10 rcn-ee, Just a flag `ignore_dtb` would suffice Sep 20 23:09:27 actually there is a "boot count" variable.. as long as the watchdog works and reboot's it, you could use that to use a default *.dtb after so many reries.. Sep 20 23:09:31 so you can interrupt uboot, `setenv ignore_dtb`, and `boot` as usual Sep 20 23:10:06 rcn-ee, in my case I forgot to enable the emmc in the devicetree so it just failed to find the root partition Sep 20 23:10:17 watchdog never seemed to fire Sep 20 23:10:30 which I suppose isn't surprising given the machine was technically responsive Sep 20 23:13:07 it the watchdog was also just added by default in u-boot v2014.10-rcX's so, you might have an older u-boot anyways.. Sep 20 23:13:29 rcn-ee, possible Sep 20 23:14:06 regardless, a flag might be helpful Sep 20 23:15:40 rcn-ee, hmm, if uboot doesn't say anything about a dtb name I guess that means it's using the default, eh? Sep 20 23:16:15 btw, with the way i'm setting up v3.14, it's obvious what set's up the eMMC: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/dtb-rebuilder/blob/3.14-ti/src/arm/am335x-boneblack.dts#L54 Sep 20 23:16:17 correct Sep 20 23:16:19 rcn-ee, also, it might be nice if uEnv.txt included a comment describing what form the dtb name should take Sep 20 23:16:31 rcn-ee, e.g. with directory? with extension? Sep 20 23:17:48 bgamari, you can pick one of these 7: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:U-boot_partitioning_layout_2.0#u-boot_dtb_search_order Sep 20 23:18:48 only 7?! :p Sep 20 23:19:12 rcn-ee, so the file name in dtb= shouldn't include the extension? Sep 20 23:19:27 first one it triggers a file existance test, it'll try to boot.. #3/#4 will be consoldated, ubuntu is mirror fedora.. Sep 20 23:20:15 nope, just the name "dtb=am335x-boneblack.dtb" Sep 20 23:20:26 hmm Sep 20 23:20:53 this allows us to install ubuntu/debian/fedora's kernel in the debian rootfs (update the uname_r var in /boot/uEnv.txt) and boot their kernel.. Sep 20 23:21:06 rcn-ee, which repo is the uboot configuration tracked in? Sep 20 23:21:46 rcn-ee, ahh Sep 20 23:22:03 here: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/Bootloader-Builder i'm waiting for fedora to finish up their distro_defaults for ti boards, then i can nuke a bunch of my patchset.. Sep 20 23:22:51 rcn-ee, thanks for being so organized! Sep 20 23:24:19 i have to.. managing a bunch of boards, and have to make all the upstream hackers happy. ;) Sep 20 23:29:46 wow, bootloader builder requires not one but two compiler toolchains Sep 20 23:30:17 That's just for the mx23 and atmel 9x5's. (arm9) Sep 20 23:30:18 eww Sep 20 23:30:44 what would you all consider the best arm chip rigth now Sep 20 23:31:07 armv8 Sep 20 23:31:15 i know sorry for the injected random question Sep 20 23:31:40 any specific make / model ? Sep 20 23:32:24 the A1100 looks nice. ;) Sep 20 23:33:06 Allwinner ? Sep 20 23:33:29 nope.. it's an 8-core 64bit from amd. ;) Sep 20 23:33:37 heh Sep 20 23:33:44 heh Sep 20 23:33:46 what board's that on? Sep 20 23:33:49 you said "best".. ;) Sep 20 23:33:55 yeah Sep 20 23:33:57 it's available. ;) Sep 20 23:34:06 i had interrestin their R series APUs for a while Sep 20 23:34:58 but, can not see those being in the hobbyists price range Sep 20 23:35:14 rcn-ee, anything special necessary to install the new bootloader? Sep 20 23:35:21 just copy over MLO and u-boot.img? Sep 20 23:35:34 leave hole in first 1MB ? Sep 20 23:35:47 last i read it was $5k, which is the cheapest 64bit arm, other then an apple ripped apart.. Sep 20 23:36:06 whole dev board im assuming ? Sep 20 23:36:13 and yeah thats pretty pricey Sep 20 23:36:27 bgamari, should be fine.. if you want to get crazy and nuke the fat partitoin: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:U-boot_partitioning_layout_2.0#Boot_Partition_.28omap4.2B_.28am335x.29.29 Sep 20 23:37:34 or wait, $3k http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/64-bit-developer-kit-2014jul30.aspx Sep 20 23:37:47 rcn-ee, alright, still not entirely sure whether this is necessary or not Sep 20 23:38:03 rcn-ee, u-boot outright refuses to find my dtb Sep 20 23:38:24 rcn-ee, might it be problematic if there's a residual installation on emmc (I'm booting from sd)? Sep 20 23:38:41 eMMC's mlo/u-boot.img loads before microsd... Sep 20 23:39:14 so you'll either have to force microSD, or undo the "boot" flag on the eMMC.. Sep 20 23:39:20 rcn-ee, still what about parts costs / availability, i mean its not likely we're going ot see an entry level dev board in the $100-$200 from them or any third party id imagine ? Somethign lile what was nVidias chip ? Sep 20 23:39:43 unobtanium ? Sep 20 23:40:05 ah microATX format . . .yeah Sep 20 23:40:08 the tegra k1 is nice, specially when you get to run nouveu and have "opengl" on a arm board! ;) Sep 20 23:40:14 they're not really serious abotu embedded yet Sep 20 23:40:51 rcn-ee, good luck geting hands on it as a normal developer not tied to a big money business though right ? Sep 20 23:41:19 I'd imagine you could atleast get some of those toys Sep 20 23:41:22 me . . probably not Sep 20 23:42:05 I would love to play with a Tegra board though Sep 20 23:42:07 i got one... getting the silcon is a lot harder.. Sep 20 23:42:33 otherwise, i still like the $/performance of the wand quad... Sep 20 23:42:33 even my Nexus 7 doesnt have a Tegra 2 in it. new revision i guess Sep 20 23:42:51 the first ones' were tegra 3's.. Sep 20 23:43:08 tegra 2 was slow... no neon.. Sep 20 23:43:12 the NExus 7's ? hell if i remember thought Tegra 2 Sep 20 23:43:49 if it wasnt for the fact that its n awesoe little tablet id take it apart and turn it into somethign ressembling a dev boardl ol Sep 20 23:44:01 the nexus 7 wifi launched with the tegra 3.. Sep 20 23:44:15 yeah this one has some odd snapdragon CPU in it Sep 20 23:44:24 or something id have to look on the box again Sep 20 23:44:36 its still a quad Sep 20 23:45:05 rcn-ee, any way to quickly clear emmc short of dd? Sep 20 23:45:25 no nand flash erase equivalent? Sep 20 23:46:24 you can read/write to eMMC from u-boot.. you just need to disable the boot flag.. Sep 20 23:48:09 rcn-ee, I've already tried disabling the boot flag but still no dice Sep 20 23:48:12 lol wait been looking for the box, ive CPUZ on it lol Sep 20 23:48:28 at this point I just want to be sure I don't get confused Sep 20 23:49:07 yeah its a qualcomm quad Sep 20 23:49:24 with an Ardreno 3200 GPU i guess Sep 20 23:49:28 not familiar with it Sep 20 23:49:32 320* Sep 20 23:49:33 man, I just can't imagine what I'm doing wrong Sep 20 23:49:35 and much better pm, then the tegra 3.. Sep 20 23:49:40 bgamari, dd the eMMC. ;) Sep 20 23:49:50 (first 10mb is fine..) Sep 20 23:50:00 rcn-ee, already done Sep 20 23:50:04 sadly still no dtb Sep 20 23:50:19 then unhook power... the chip likes to "remember" it's prevous boot.. Sep 20 23:50:35 yeap snapdragon 600 Sep 20 23:51:52 rcn-ee, would love to use this as a dev system but lol was a gift, and id really hate futz it up Sep 20 23:52:25 m_billybob, http://www.inforcecomputing.com/product/moreinfo/ifc6410.html (same cpu) Sep 20 23:53:58 oh wow thanks so forgive my ignorance this is some form of ARM ? i mean im sure it is but no idea what "Krait 300" *is* Sep 20 23:55:09 that's the marketting name qualcomm uses. They licensed the "instruction" set from arm, and designed their own "compatiable" Cortex Ax core.. Sep 20 23:55:17 im still new to ARM stuff pretty much all know is the BBB, well and a few M3/M4 MCUs Sep 20 23:55:28 so its not specific to v7 or v8 ? Sep 20 23:55:50 it's "compatible" with a "v7"... Sep 20 23:56:21 well you know where im going with this ? basically looking for an inexpensive native compile board Sep 20 23:56:40 rcn-ee, hmm, this sd card has only one partition and it's ext4 Sep 20 23:56:52 oh the confusion Sep 20 23:56:53 wand quad + cheap sata drive.. around $150 total.. Sep 20 23:57:00 bgamari, made sure the write lock is off ? Sep 20 23:57:38 hmm Sep 20 23:57:42 bgamari, yeah that's latest world changing image i pushed out. ;) vfat isn't required.. ;) Sep 20 23:57:53 and there's both a /uEnv.txt and /boot/uEnv.txt Sep 20 23:57:59 rcn-ee, ok yeah i asked you about that a while back on the forums. and ive heard lots about the wanderboard so that may be the route i go. just keeping my options open Sep 20 23:58:08 rcn-ee, whoo hooo! Sep 20 23:58:13 the /uEnv.txt is a shim for older eMMC's bootloaders.. you can remove it.. Sep 20 23:58:30 alright Sep 20 23:58:54 for older u-boot: they load /uEnv.txt (which i have configured to load /boot/uEnv.txt ) Sep 20 23:59:06 rcn-ee, MTO and u-boot.img are located where? Sep 20 23:59:11 /? Sep 20 23:59:18 dd'ed to the drive.. Sep 20 23:59:20 MLO even Sep 20 23:59:21 ahh Sep 20 23:59:22 heh i still have the 3.8.8 kernel version of angstrom on my own BBB Sep 20 23:59:22 alright Sep 20 23:59:24 time to read Sep 20 23:59:42 err maybe its 3.8.11 i upgraded it once Sep 21 00:00:24 one of my bbb's had it in the eMMC still, that way i can test and make sure users can still boot the newer imgaes.. Sep 21 00:00:39 Angstrom so totally reminds me of where debian was 8-10 years ago. fighting it at every step Sep 21 00:01:17 well if you made a mistep, angstrom seem to cut out the mistep middle portion though lol Sep 21 00:01:29 it's really funny when you think "ipkg" came from debian's "dpkg" a few years back.. ;) Sep 21 00:02:05 or opkg... Sep 21 00:02:13 keon told me once that opkg was just apt and dpkg rolled into one ( for simple explanation purposes ) Sep 21 00:02:17 yeah i knewwhat you meant Sep 21 00:02:36 man, I just fail Sep 21 00:02:53 im very unforgiving with distro once they nurn me once, im pretty much done with it Sep 21 00:02:58 hated ubuntu for years Sep 21 00:03:05 found it.. there was an ipkg.. opkg forked ipkg.. Sep 21 00:03:07 burn me once* Sep 21 00:03:13 lol Sep 21 00:03:42 that's why everyone usually goes back to debian. ;) Sep 21 00:04:00 Ubuntu's upgrade path was like "yeah wel just wipe your drive becasue you're gettign a fork stuck in ya one way or another" Sep 21 00:04:33 so I'm clearly using the new u-boot Sep 21 00:04:37 or let's randomly break functionalty in a lts.. Sep 21 00:04:42 yet I see no output regarding fdt Sep 21 00:05:02 then it's using the default.. but it should say :loading Sep 21 00:05:09 rcn-ee, ive actually seen that in debian once too lol misconfigured gcc i think it was. in stable aroudn the time Sarge was still testing Sep 21 00:05:35 but yeah im a debian fan Sep 21 00:05:54 rcn-ee, ahh, I wiped /uEnv.txt and that did it Sep 21 00:06:03 wasn't that around red hat's great 2.96 feasco? i didn't get into debian till etch days.. Sep 21 00:06:09 bbiaf, got a beer and homemade chili waiting on me Sep 21 00:06:35 bgamari, see it "works" so much better if we ignore compatiblity. ;) Sep 21 00:06:49 hah Sep 21 00:06:54 rcn-ee, I never really followed RH much, toyed with Mandrake a little back in the late 90's early 2k's ? Sep 21 00:07:13 sadly this is so often the case ;) Sep 21 00:07:35 i had 2kb dialup till early 2000's so when red hat 6 came in a magazine, i could finally use it.. Sep 21 00:11:05 lol thats how i startd with debian, but i was still mostly a windows weenie back then Sep 21 00:11:20 think my mag back then was maximum PC Sep 21 00:12:19 man nothing beter than self-home made chili and a beer Sep 21 00:12:24 oh the good days of max pc mag.. ;) Sep 21 00:13:16 yeah Sep 21 00:14:10 laughs, one more x86 backup and running.. just a regular saturday around here, brick a few pc's and get them back up before anyone notices. ;) Sep 21 00:14:31 lol Sep 21 00:14:36 at work ? Sep 21 00:15:39 at home, my hackinstosh didn't like 10.9.5 and the my steambox didn't like the swapped parts... (yet still didn't come up with the old stuff) Sep 21 00:15:44 you play sys admin too ? hehehe Sep 21 00:15:46 ah Sep 21 00:16:08 hardware shuffle weekend. ;) Sep 21 00:16:19 you can sort mine out rcn-ee :P Sep 21 00:16:48 would be nice if aple sold OSX standalone . . . i'VE HARDLY EVER TOUCHED A mAC / aPLE BECAUSE OF THAT Sep 21 00:16:58 sorry caps. Sep 21 00:17:03 eating . . . Sep 21 00:17:04 * veremit taps the CAPS LOCK key :p Sep 21 00:17:56 i do like it, so far it's kicked my last win box out of the household.. ;) Sep 21 00:18:21 hardlocks like crazy with usb 3.0 enabled in bios.. Sep 21 00:18:32 * veremit is normally running his amd gentoo box wiht an old ssd Sep 21 00:18:41 friend of mine is an iThing* guy so he comes over and hands me a say 10" iPad i look at it and tell him" yeah ok, almost looks like an android device, only worse" hehe Sep 21 00:19:14 apple does have good hardware usually though Sep 21 00:19:20 an iGeek :p Sep 21 00:20:20 rcn-ee, i think ill forver have atleast one windows box in the house Sep 21 00:20:28 i know windows too well anymore Sep 21 00:20:30 m_billybob: i'd definitely second the wandboard quad recommendation Sep 21 00:20:50 m_billybob: debian jessie should support it reasonably well out of the box Sep 21 00:21:10 rcn-ee, plus all the BBB nubs on the forums seem like they need help from an expert msot of the time so . . .lol now if we could only find that expert ;) Sep 21 00:21:22 actually got my wandboard in order to work on the BBB stuff :) Sep 21 00:21:25 widnows expert i mean Sep 21 00:22:01 rcn-ee, thanks for your help! Sep 21 00:22:14 yeah ill probably do the same vagrantc Sep 21 00:22:46 plus its a litle board with quad cores, and um up to like 2GB ram, yeah im a techno weenie type . . .hardware turns me on heh Sep 21 00:23:02 onboard wifi and sata Sep 21 00:23:06 whats not to like? Sep 21 00:23:14 *cough* wait .. this is #beagle .. :P Sep 21 00:23:33 freedom of speech ? *ducks* Sep 21 00:23:53 im curious as to what Gerald has up his sleeve for next iteration Sep 21 00:23:55 it is.. but all the *.deb packages and the *.img supporting the beagle are built on wand's. ;) Sep 21 00:24:05 * bgamari will admit he has an odroid XU for builds Sep 21 00:24:08 rcn .. thats just wrong lol Sep 21 00:24:25 when we get a quad core beagle monster, we can again outlaw all the non-beagle boards. ;) Sep 21 00:24:30 how is that wrong ? Sep 21 00:24:54 i could fire up the classic beagle "bx" Sep 21 00:25:10 kernel build time where around 9 hours.. the quad is around 2... just for a kernel deb.. Sep 21 00:25:11 rcn-ee, you mean quad with 2GB ram and SATA . . Sep 21 00:25:12 etc Sep 21 00:25:16 just seems .. using another arm platform to build for a competing product .. ok its not truely competing .. but eh .. Sep 21 00:25:30 i wouldnt say they're competing Sep 21 00:25:39 imho both serve different purposes Sep 21 00:25:44 I suppose cross-compiling from x86/x64 isn't viable.... Sep 21 00:25:47 in my eyes the BBB is a true embedded board Sep 21 00:25:55 it is Sep 21 00:26:08 they're all true embedded boards . .but with very different targets Sep 21 00:26:14 and capabilities Sep 21 00:26:18 veremit, that would be angstrom. ;) we can't do that.. all debian native! Sep 21 00:26:18 and all the ODRIODs wanderboards etc just fake it Sep 21 00:26:40 although you guys noticed the rPI B+ ? Sep 21 00:26:42 rcn-ee .. eww angstrom .. but debian doesn't exist for x86? I beg to differ... :P Sep 21 00:26:46 eww Pi *puke* Sep 21 00:26:48 i didnt look until like idk a few days ago Sep 21 00:27:01 I'd rather have a minnowmax Sep 21 00:27:17 veremit, well if you want a small mame board . . .the BBB will take a distant second to the PI Sep 21 00:27:18 only thing the pi is useful is a dynamic dns client . lol Sep 21 00:27:38 although its not too bad as a print server Sep 21 00:27:51 i kinda laughed when user emailed be about yocoto and the "edision" intel board.. i told him just run debian.. Sep 21 00:28:08 veremit, serious amazon the B+ and notice periphs, and costs Sep 21 00:28:24 I just hate the way the pi has the ethernet muxed through the usb hub ;/ eww eww eww Sep 21 00:28:24 keep in mind im a BBB person too actualy I like TI parts Sep 21 00:28:42 same hub we used on the xm/panda.. yuck i hate that hub... Sep 21 00:28:52 amen rcn Sep 21 00:28:53 rcn-ee, intel has a "cross compiler" for it already ;) Sep 21 00:29:08 *THAT* made me laugh Sep 21 00:29:17 don't get me wrong, though, those SMSC hub chips are awesome. Sep 21 00:29:27 i want an edison Sep 21 00:29:37 if for noting else to have somethign else to play with Sep 21 00:29:38 ideal for an embedded board Sep 21 00:29:41 till they can't handle the usb transactions and conk out... Sep 21 00:30:00 and you have to admit the ocst of the on soc wifi is wrth 50bux . . Sep 21 00:30:02 rcn .. remember that discussion about the beagle usb driver? ;) Sep 21 00:30:06 m_billybob, sdcc for all the 8051's running the ediison core right! ;) Sep 21 00:30:19 lol Sep 21 00:30:31 rcn .. any better 'basic' usb hub chips reasonably widely available? Sep 21 00:30:37 i know is x86 ARM guys tend to hate it . . Sep 21 00:30:42 yeah the musb and bb-xm's wrong pll errata.. Sep 21 00:31:06 veremit, chipidea.. ;) Sep 21 00:31:14 eg? Sep 21 00:31:25 rcn-ee, but see the Edison . . .yuo could run windows on it and play Cysis so . . . Sep 21 00:31:36 Crysis* Sep 21 00:31:57 someone booted windows on a n900 nokia tablet.. Sep 21 00:32:09 but that user that got doom running on a printer.. that was awesome.. Sep 21 00:32:20 lol Sep 21 00:32:21 doom on a printer .. awesome :D Sep 21 00:32:32 insane Sep 21 00:32:33 -that- is true hacking Sep 21 00:32:42 https://www.yahoo.com/tech/hacker-plays-doom-on-a-canon-printer-97665796229.html Sep 21 00:33:04 http://hackaday.com/2014/09/16/build-your-own-retrocomputer-with-modern-chips/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29&utm_content=FeedBurner Sep 21 00:33:13 thats my fav latest "news" Sep 21 00:34:25 I like the piano and ATM ideas too .. Sep 21 00:34:31 although id swap out the PIC micro for an MSP430 or maybe an Cortex M3/4 lol Sep 21 00:35:18 dunno if TI Has MS's quick basic interpeter liscenced for any of their stuf Sep 21 00:35:30 lol @ quickbasic Sep 21 00:35:37 thats the very first language i learned . .quick basic Sep 21 00:36:01 bbc basic :p Sep 21 00:36:13 although you probably never had them outside the UK Sep 21 00:36:31 hotly followed by turbo pascal :) Sep 21 00:36:37 lol Sep 21 00:36:48 my second language abiet short stint was ASM Sep 21 00:36:51 then delphi/visual basic and c Sep 21 00:36:55 quickly followed by C Sep 21 00:37:03 and PIC asm. Sep 21 00:37:08 and atmel asm too Sep 21 00:37:16 which was much more versatile Sep 21 00:37:46 im kind of ashamed to say that ive evoleved more into a high level programmer :( Sep 21 00:37:51 slowly changing that though Sep 21 00:38:18 I hop around perl and embedded c these days Sep 21 00:38:27 with a bit of c++, c# and python Sep 21 00:39:09 C is really no longer a challenge for me, well embedded stuff will always be a challenge but i've ben taking a good long look at Nodejs ( javascript ) Sep 21 00:39:29 yea nodejs seems to be the next big thing.. even for embedded Sep 21 00:40:37 I wanna get python down, and some event-driven programming Sep 21 00:40:48 mark my words, and perhaps im wrong, wouldnt be the first time. But my vision of the future embedded "appliance" will all be done using Node Sep 21 00:41:13 wit hthe occational splashing" of C helper code Sep 21 00:42:21 the main thing that turns me onto Node, is event driven model Sep 21 00:43:09 yeah I done a teeny bit of event-driven... but have no idea where to start with my own code Sep 21 00:44:06 i built an alarm clock / MP3 player using mostly client side code, but the BBB serves up the files from its self using Node, express adn socket.io Sep 21 00:44:26 that gave me a better understanding of Node, but im still far from an expert Sep 21 00:45:23 and i can get away with this becasue my rootfs is currently NFS :) Sep 21 00:46:00 but imagine. this means with an sdcard, you coud turn your BBB into an MP3 player Sep 21 00:46:06