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Nov 26 03:19:52 <JetForMe> thanks, kenrestivo
Nov 26 03:20:44 <JetForMe> Are there recent instructions somewhere for building the kernel? The ones I've found reference github/beagleboard/kernel, not github/beagleboard/linux
Nov 26 03:33:01 <ddrown> JetForMe: 3.8.x?
Nov 26 03:34:30 <ddrown> I just installed a cross compiler, uncompressed /proc/config.gz to .config, "make ARCH=arm oldconfig zImage modules"
Nov 26 03:35:09 <ddrown> Oh, and set the cross compile prefix in .config
Nov 26 04:02:38 <Amperturity> So I plug in my Beaglebone White
Nov 26 04:02:49 <Amperturity> And it doesn't show the usual signs of booting
Nov 26 04:02:56 <Amperturity> (Flashing User LED's)
Nov 26 04:03:03 <Amperturity> Is it possible I have fried the board?
Nov 26 04:03:10 <Amperturity> OR something else going on?
Nov 26 04:03:29 <ArtyG> Amperturity, is your power LED on?
Nov 26 04:03:38 <Amperturity> Yes
Nov 26 04:04:20 <Amperturity> Monitoring the COM port
Nov 26 04:04:24 <Amperturity> I'm seeing nothing
Nov 26 04:05:03 <Amperturity> It does connect, apparently, but does not actually output anything
Nov 26 04:06:53 <jkridner> Amperturity: no "CCCC" as if it is trying to boot over the serial port?
Nov 26 04:07:07 <JetForMe> ddrown: no, 3.14
Nov 26 04:07:54 <Amperturity> How long should it be outputting "CCCC" in the serial port while booting? Admittedly Putty closes the window when there's no connection
Nov 26 04:08:03 <Amperturity> So there's not a large window of time
Nov 26 04:09:14 <JetForMe> So far it seems to be building a thing with ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- make bb.org_defconfig, then make uImage
Nov 26 04:09:49 <Amperturity> But there is quite literally no output
Nov 26 04:10:04 <Amperturity> I'll go put it back on the external power supply and see if it at least connects to the network.
Nov 26 04:12:51 <Amperturity> Nothing from the IP
Nov 26 04:13:44 <jkridner> Amperturity: not very long. hitting the reset button should help you see it after the serial port enumeration.
Nov 26 04:14:12 <Amperturity> I did hit the reset button a few times
Nov 26 04:14:22 <Amperturity> Serial port remained empty
Nov 26 04:15:06 <Amperturity> I supose it might be time to 21-Gun Salute my old BeagleBone White
Nov 26 04:16:34 <Amperturity> Man, this will set back my prototyping phase for my project a few weeks at least.
Nov 26 04:17:41 <Amperturity> It might not do any harm to reach out to the BeagleBoard company to see if they might like to sponsor a board to our Solar Decathlon team.
Nov 26 04:18:47 <jkridner> Amperturity: try holding the boot button to see if it is an issue with the uSD card.
Nov 26 04:19:01 <jkridner> (while providing power the first time)
Nov 26 04:19:03 <Amperturity> Do you mean the reset button?
Nov 26 04:19:16 <jkridner> does White not have a boot button too?
Nov 26 04:19:33 <Amperturity> I don't remember seeing a "boot" button, but I can check
Nov 26 04:19:36 <Amperturity> It's still in the other room
Nov 26 04:19:38 <Amperturity> brb
Nov 26 04:19:40 <jkridner> man, guess it has been a while since I messed with a white...
Nov 26 04:19:45 <jkridner> try booting it w/o a uSD then.
Nov 26 04:19:53 <jkridner> just want to make sure it is trying serial boot.
Nov 26 04:20:06 <jkridner> that'll let you know that the CPU isn't dead.
Nov 26 04:21:31 <jkridner> Amperturity: yeah, no USER/BOOT buttons on White.
Nov 26 04:21:36 <jkridner> or POWER.
Nov 26 04:21:46 <jkridner> both those buttons were added for Black.
Nov 26 04:22:53 <Amperturity> I tried power cycling
Nov 26 04:22:58 <Amperturity> without the uSD
Nov 26 04:23:02 <Amperturity> Still no signs of booting
Nov 26 04:47:05 <Amperturity> The painful thing about it, is that it had to give up the ghost mere days before I actually started seriously working with it
Nov 26 04:56:09 <Amperturity> On another note, why can I not find a BlueSteel Basic for actual sale anywhere? I can only find blog posts talking about it on a bunch of websites.
Nov 26 05:47:34 <JetForMe> how do I use tftpboot with a 3.14 kernel image?
Nov 26 05:48:55 <JetForMe> I was using the instructions here: http://wiki.beyondlogic.org/index.php/BeagleBoneBlack_Building_Kernel but my uBoot didn't seem to like the invocation 'bootm ${kloadaddr} - ${fdtaddr}'
Nov 26 05:49:43 <vagrantc> echo ${kloadaddr} ${fdtaddr}
Nov 26 05:50:37 <JetForMe> # echo ${kloadaddr} ${fdtaddr}
Nov 26 05:50:37 <JetForMe> 0x88000000
Nov 26 05:50:48 <JetForMe> Actually, I think that's wrong. Standby
Nov 26 05:52:02 <JetForMe> Hm, that's what I get after I do tftpboot
Nov 26 05:54:24 <vagrantc> i presume it's successfully downloading the files?
Nov 26 05:55:15 <JetForMe> Yes, seems to. I have the 3.14.22-r31-based image installed, and then I build only the uImage (nothing else). I thought I should be able to load just that. It seems to load okay
Nov 26 05:55:29 <JetForMe> Do I also need to build the dtbs or modules or some other target?
Nov 26 05:55:55 <vagrantc> you'll also need the appropriate .dtb file
Nov 26 05:56:10 <JetForMe> You don't think it's identical to the one that's already on there?
Nov 26 05:56:16 <JetForMe> Or, I see, I have to load it
Nov 26 05:56:18 <vagrantc> on where?
Nov 26 05:56:26 <JetForMe> the emmc on the BBB
Nov 26 05:57:04 <JetForMe> Stand by, I'm building the dtb and I'll load that, too
Nov 26 05:58:05 <JetForMe> weird, it's rebuilding the whole kernel. i wonder why
Nov 26 06:03:16 <JetForMe> out of curiosity, what minimum filesystem support do I need in the kernel to use the BBB? jffs2?
Nov 26 06:09:48 <JetForMe> vagrantc
Nov 26 06:09:56 <JetForMe> vagrantc: kloadaddr doesn't appear to be set
Nov 26 06:10:27 <JetForMe> Should I explicitly set that to something?
Nov 26 06:10:49 <JetForMe> looks like by default, tftpboot loaded my kernel to 0x82000000
Nov 26 06:19:11 <vagrantc> if you're not using an initrd, you'll need whatever filesystem your rootfs is.
Nov 26 06:21:04 <JetForMe> Okay, I think my kernel booted. Is there something I can change in my sources that will show up in uname -a?
Nov 26 06:27:21 <JetForMe> what are the appropriate LOADADDR, kloadaddr and fdtaddr values to use?
Nov 26 07:11:14 <vagrantc> JetForMe: for beagleboneblack?
Nov 26 07:19:11 <vagrantc> JetForMe: loadaddr/kernel_addr_r=0x82000000, fdtaddr/fdt_addr_r=0x88000000, rdaddr/ramdisk_addr_r=0x88080000
Nov 26 07:19:26 <vagrantc> JetForMe: that's what's in upstream u-boot
Nov 26 07:19:32 <vagrantc> works for me.
Nov 26 07:44:30 <JetForMe> vagrantc: is one of those the LOADADDR I use on the make uImage line?
Nov 26 07:44:47 <JetForMe> 0x88008000 and not 0x80008000?
Nov 26 07:49:08 <vagrantc> JetForMe: if you've got a uImage with a .dtb, you'd want: bootm ${loadaddr} - ${fdtaddr}
Nov 26 07:49:17 <vagrantc> or you can specify the values manually
Nov 26 07:50:43 <JetForMe> Oh, loadaddr not kloadaddr
Nov 26 07:50:54 <JetForMe> okay. but what should LOADADDR be when building the kernel image?
Nov 26 07:51:50 <KotH> JetForMe: why are you building your kernel image seperate from your buildsystem?
Nov 26 07:53:18 <vagrantc> JetForMe: far as i know, it doesn't matter
Nov 26 09:52:05 <dj_> hi can anyone tell me what settings are required for beaglebone to use 5V dc from power adapter only and not usb interface basically I want to disable power on from USB interface
Nov 26 09:53:35 <dj_> ?
Nov 26 10:25:50 <raj__> hi
Nov 26 10:26:20 <raj__> Any budy tell me how to deploy 3.18 kernel in BBB with steps
Nov 26 10:26:21 <raj__> ?
Nov 26 10:26:57 <av500> why 3.18?
Nov 26 10:27:03 <av500> install Debian, it comes with a kernel
Nov 26 10:30:54 <JetForMe> KotH: I don't know how to answer that. I've never built the kernel before. just following some steps I saw online.
Nov 26 10:31:32 <KotH> JetForMe: usually it's a bad idea to build a kernel outside the build environment for your embedded system
Nov 26 10:31:42 <KotH> JetForMe: lots of stuff to do wrong
Nov 26 10:31:48 <KotH> JetForMe: and most people do it wrong
Nov 26 10:31:58 <JetForMe> What do ou mean "outside the build environment"
Nov 26 10:32:10 <KotH> your root fs was build using some build environment
Nov 26 10:32:31 <KotH> whatever you use, buildroot, angsträm, debian,...
Nov 26 10:32:34 <JetForMe> Ah. I have no rootfs. I just checked out the kernel sources from the Beagle github
Nov 26 10:32:40 <KotH> eh?
Nov 26 10:33:00 <KotH> so, you just boot a kernel and let it could-not-find-init-panic?
Nov 26 10:34:01 <JetForMe> I don't know what it did. Once it seemed to work, but nothing was output on the serial console as it booted. I thought I had forgotten one of the steps that set the serial port. I tried again, but it didn't work. These basic steps: http://wiki.beyondlogic.org/index.php/BeagleBoneBlack_Building_Kernel
Nov 26 10:35:01 <KotH> JetForMe: get the debian image, use that
Nov 26 10:35:10 <KotH> JetForMe: much simpler than messing with all that stuff
Nov 26 10:35:20 <JetForMe> I need to be able to customize it
Nov 26 10:35:30 <KotH> you can
Nov 26 10:35:35 <JetForMe> I already have the debian image, works fine. Now I want to customize my kernel image
Nov 26 10:35:47 <KotH> if you need maximum customizability, use angström or buildroot
Nov 26 10:36:09 <JetForMe> I should be able to just build the kernel, shouldn't I?
Nov 26 10:36:13 <KotH> you are aware that your rootfs cannot be build independed of the kernel?
Nov 26 10:36:17 <JetForMe> no
Nov 26 10:36:24 <JetForMe> Like I said, I've never done this before
Nov 26 10:36:25 <KotH> like, you need to put your kernel modules into your rootfs, at least
Nov 26 10:36:36 <KotH> how much linux experience do you have?
Nov 26 10:36:56 * KotH wont accept a "i have used ubuntu" answer here
Nov 26 10:36:58 <JetForMe> Building the kernel? Never done it before. Linux? Not much, run a few servers, know some basic POSIX
Nov 26 10:37:26 <KotH> hmm..
Nov 26 10:37:28 <JetForMe> I dont see why I can't check out the sources for the same kernel that's in my debian image and just build that
Nov 26 10:37:46 <JetForMe> I'm an expert software developer on iOS, OS X, and lots of bare-metal embedded stuff
Nov 26 10:37:48 <KotH> because they are not independend
Nov 26 10:38:03 <KotH> the kernel is split into multiple parts, which have to match up
Nov 26 10:38:17 <KotH> you cannot expect teh modules in the debian rootfs to match your custom kernel
Nov 26 10:38:38 <KotH> unless you build a kernel that does not use any modules at all
Nov 26 10:38:48 <JetForMe> Match in what way?
Nov 26 10:39:04 <KotH> compiled with the same configuration and same compiler
Nov 26 10:39:30 <JetForMe> Well, not sure how closely the compiler has to match. Pretty sure I used the same config
Nov 26 10:39:42 <JetForMe> well, I'm assuming it's the one that was checked in. Might not be
Nov 26 10:40:09 <KotH> i really recommend you use something different than debian if you want to mess with teh kernel
Nov 26 10:40:17 <JetForMe> My debian image uname -a says 3.18.22-r31, that's the version I used from github
Nov 26 10:40:28 <KotH> buildroot is pretty easy to start with and spits out all the components within a couple of minutes
Nov 26 10:40:46 <JetForMe> Well, I can try that. Is there a good "getting started with buildroot" page?
Nov 26 10:40:57 <KotH> the buildroot homepage?
Nov 26 10:41:09 <KotH> its manual contains #exact steps
Nov 26 10:41:17 <KotH> er.. #exactsteps
Nov 26 10:41:29 <JetForMe> Will I be googling all over to get the specifics for BBB?
Nov 26 10:41:35 <woglinde> koth ubuntu has a crosscompiler already
Nov 26 10:41:44 <woglinde> so only apt-get install
Nov 26 10:41:52 <JetForMe> I have the armhf compiler already
Nov 26 10:41:56 <woglinde> no need for buildrot
Nov 26 10:42:00 <woglinde> ups root ,)
Nov 26 10:43:34 <KotH> JetForMe: there should be a config for bbb available already
Nov 26 10:44:00 <JetForMe> I would like to make a minimal linux, so buildroot might be worth doing
Nov 26 10:47:36 <LetoThe2nd> yocto has meta-ti which has a bbb machine type, and has core-image-minimal.
Nov 26 10:48:31 <KotH> LetoThe2nd: can you explain the differences between armstrong, yocto and pocky without stuttering?
Nov 26 10:50:02 <LetoThe2nd> KotH: sure. armstrong used to play trumpet, yocto is 10^-24 and pocky is rocky with a typo.
Nov 26 10:50:25 <JetForMe> KotH: Presumably I don't start buildroot from scratch; where do I find the BBB config file and how to I select it?
Nov 26 10:50:37 <KotH> LetoThe2nd: :-D
Nov 26 10:51:14 <KotH> JetForMe: https://www.google.ch/search?q=buildroot+beagleboneblack
Nov 26 10:51:17 <JetForMe> Also, can I avoid the toolchain build? I have that installed already
Nov 26 10:52:00 <KotH> JetForMe: https://www.google.ch/search?q=buildroot+external+toolchain
Nov 26 10:52:08 <JetForMe> great, thanks
Nov 26 10:52:24 <KotH> really, take an hour and read the manual
Nov 26 10:53:14 <KotH> JetForMe: oh.. and forget everything you know about iOS/OSX and baremetal uC you know
Nov 26 10:53:22 <KotH> JetForMe: it will only get into your way of understanding things
Nov 26 10:58:06 <woglinde> ups root ,2
Nov 26 10:58:11 <woglinde> hrms
Nov 26 11:00:01 <JetForMe> This is what I meant by a "good" getting started reference. I don't need to be an expert at using buildroot to build linux for any system. I just want to build it for BBB. I didn't want to spend days scouring the 'Net for each of the specifics I'm going to need.
Nov 26 11:01:04 <KotH> JetForMe: so, you want to fly a fighter jet, but you dont want to get into the specifics....
Nov 26 11:02:28 <KotH> JetForMe: you can build a running system with buildroot in half a day... but the moment you want to modify something, you should really know what you are doing
Nov 26 12:35:55 <sdaaad> hi all! any help in here?
Nov 26 12:38:06 <sdaaad> got 2 striped down bbb and i got no blue leds on them! one has red led on and network leds on! the second only de red led is on. there is no blue light at all! any1? are both of them broke?
Nov 26 12:39:22 <woglinde> connect a serial cable and find out
Nov 26 12:40:41 <LetoThe2nd> sdaaad: "striped down" means "some clone of the bbb that we have no clue what it does"... is that correct?
Nov 26 12:41:00 <sdaaad> yes!
Nov 26 12:41:17 <sdaaad> https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F96N4U6b.jpg&t=546&c=gcyXSotVdk0RgA
Nov 26 12:41:29 <sdaaad> the left one!
Nov 26 12:42:16 <LetoThe2nd> sdaaad: well then ask whoever provided it to you what its supposed to do.
Nov 26 12:42:44 <sdaaad> i know what it suppose to do
Nov 26 12:42:53 <sdaaad> but it doesnt do it
Nov 26 12:43:13 <KotH> why the heck does someone wrap an imgur url?
Nov 26 12:43:21 <KotH> also, half of the components are missing....
Nov 26 12:43:48 <sdaaad> the question here is: is this the way a broken bbb is showing itself?
Nov 26 12:44:07 <KotH> what part of "half of the components are missing" didnt you understand?
Nov 26 12:44:13 <LetoThe2nd> sdaaad: "red led on": no, as the bbb doesn't have a red led.
Nov 26 12:44:31 <sdaaad> crap
Nov 26 12:44:44 <sdaaad> here is more info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671625.0
Nov 26 12:45:05 <sdaaad> then it's much modified than just stripped down
Nov 26 12:45:17 <LetoThe2nd> sdaaad: thanks, not interested.
Nov 26 12:45:32 <sdaaad> does it have blue leds?
Nov 26 12:45:34 <sdaaad> 2?
Nov 26 12:45:41 <LetoThe2nd> sdaaad: 4
Nov 26 12:45:50 <KotH> 23!
Nov 26 12:45:57 <sdaaad> :))
Nov 26 12:45:59 <LetoThe2nd> KotH: 5.34
Nov 26 12:46:07 <KotH> 56?
Nov 26 12:46:12 <KotH> er.. 54
Nov 26 12:46:17 <sdaaad> :))))))))
Nov 26 12:46:31 <sdaaad> ok guys , thank you!
Nov 26 12:46:39 <sdaaad> have fun!:))
Nov 26 12:48:13 <KotH> sdaaad: buy a non-clone with all components
Nov 26 12:48:18 <KotH> sdaaad: it should work then
Nov 26 12:49:22 <sdaaad> i have to! the ''original'' is close to imposible to find
Nov 26 12:49:28 <sdaaad> thanc
Nov 26 12:49:32 <sdaaad> thanx
Nov 26 15:21:43 <BennyB_> JetForMe: I Don't know why the guys didn't mention RobertCNelsons excellent Guide/script/repositiry pn howto build kernel for BBB. I've used it and it's really simple to build the kernel. you can build it, make some changes what you need and then call "rebuild_kernel.sh" to make your changes come alive. Here is the url: https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
Nov 26 16:35:03 <danieel> anybody can help me how to get 24bit framebuffer on BBB? got interfaced a 24bit screen, but the fb runs at 16 bits only and fbset -depth does not work
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Nov 26 17:00:53 <thurgood> danieel: the hdmi out is only connected as 16 bit :/
Nov 26 17:00:59 <danieel> not hdmi
Nov 26 17:01:05 <danieel> got a cape with the screen
Nov 26 17:02:27 <thurgood> ah, does the cape use the dss driver or something else?
Nov 26 17:03:59 <thurgood> dss uses kernel boot args to do 24 bit
Nov 26 17:06:58 <KaaK> in the 3.14.X kernels up on github, are the serial ports enabled by default now?
Nov 26 17:10:46 <Lala_> Hi
Nov 26 17:13:22 <KaaK> Hello!
Nov 26 17:14:10 <Lala_> I just want to know how do I buy beagle board black
Nov 26 17:14:57 <KaaK> Lala_, I'd recommend element14 http://www.element14.com/community/community/designcenter/single-board-computers/next-gen_beaglebone/?ICID=hp-bbb-topgroups
Nov 26 17:15:09 <KaaK> they can be difficult to find elsewhere
Nov 26 17:19:24 <Lala_> is it possible to install windows
Nov 26 17:22:42 <aschmack> Lala_: no
Nov 26 17:27:49 <danieel> thurgood: dss? not sure what that is... it is a custom designed cape, with ssd2828 rgb to mipi bridge
Nov 26 17:28:31 <thurgood> hm, where does it get it's signal from?
Nov 26 17:29:06 <danieel> from the 24 bit rgb out (some shared with the hdmi tx chip)
Nov 26 17:35:25 <danieel> that is included in the .dts: http://elinux.org/24bit_LCD_for_BBB
Nov 26 17:35:42 <danieel> but the FB does not run in 16bit mode
Nov 26 17:40:01 <Lala_> I just want to run through beagle board  black one DVR video viewer soft we it is support Windos or mac also mobile using anroid
Nov 26 18:00:26 <Alishax> Hello, I connected my BeagleBone Black Rev C to a VGA PicoP Laser projector SHOWWX and I am receiving the following message on my screen: video not supported at 60Hz.
Nov 26 18:00:29 <Alishax> Hello, I connected my BeagleBone Black Rev C to a VGA PicoP Laser projector SHOWWX and I am receiving the following message on my screen: video not supported at 60Hz.
Nov 26 18:00:51 <Alishax> I tried both a powered and unpowered VGA/Micro HDMI adaptor-convertor. It does not work. Please help! What should I do?
Nov 26 18:01:10 <Alishax> Someone told me to take the adapter apart and find where the 5 volt power was coming in, trace the pin out to the adapter circuit board, cut that wire and soldered a wire onto it. Then, run that wire to the Beaglebone circuit board where the barrel connector connects power in. What do you think? I don't want to dommage my BBB. Thanks a lot
Nov 26 19:13:21 <Guest14720> hello,  does pyBBIO works with non_BLACK_beaglebone ?
Nov 26 19:16:28 <key> hi, does pyBBIO work with NON BLACK beagle bone ?
Nov 26 19:32:48 <KaaK> anyone in here familiar with the layout of `arch/arm/boot/dts` and could aide me in wrapping my head the mess?
Nov 26 19:33:24 <KaaK> specifically in how the #include and /include/ are organized
Nov 26 19:34:06 <KaaK> i've got some changes I'd love to make to my DT, but I'm having a terrible time of it when attempting to place them in the correct files
Nov 26 19:34:26 <KaaK> im running 3.14.x and don't have the cape manager or DT overlays
Nov 26 19:42:01 <Archie> hi
Nov 26 19:44:44 <Archie> does anyone know if the BeagleBoard-X15 will include a  coin cell holder on the board or offer support for a lipo battery to fully enable RTC?
Nov 26 19:47:27 <tbr> wasn't there a picture with a coincell?
Nov 26 19:48:40 <Archie> right...i saw that but i wasn't certain it was  a battery holder
Nov 26 19:48:50 <Archie> thanks for confirming it
Nov 26 19:50:54 <johnwalkr> KotH: tested BBB to 200rad
Nov 26 21:51:38 <key> Hi, does pyBBIO with older beaglebone ?
Nov 26 21:55:45 <JetForMe> So, I think I succeeded in building a rootfs using buildroot, how do I get that onto the BBB? dd rootfs.ext2 to an SD card?
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