**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 10 02:59:59 2015 Apr 10 03:52:37 <_av500_> yes, many Apr 10 06:29:20 <_1_chopi2234> hi Apr 10 08:20:07 hey all, I'm trying to flash the eMMC on my BeagleBone Black with the most recent debian. I followed all the tips from the get started guide, installed the image onto a microsd, loaded the microsd, and held down the User Boot button while plugging in USB power from my computer. However, the BB's behavior is the same as normal startup. It shows up in my windows file directory, and I can ssh it, everything seems normal, and nothing has bee Apr 10 08:22:01 connect a serial cable Apr 10 08:22:04 dan: how did you prep the card? Apr 10 08:25:27 sorry my page crashed. is my last message still visible? I torrented the debian image from the link on the BB website, unzipped, and then used win32 disk manager to install it onto the freshly formatted microsd Apr 10 08:41:51 i don't know anything about windows image copiers but i'd try a different one, it's hard to see why it's not booting without serial but it's likely to be an improperly written image Apr 10 10:34:41 av500: I made the w1 temp sensor work in parasite mode :P Apr 10 10:34:47 vdd +5V Apr 10 10:35:11 short gnd and vdd Apr 10 10:35:36 et Apr 10 11:00:45 more about bagle bone board Apr 10 11:01:19 how its really difffrent from audrino Apr 10 11:02:16 hisham: they're completely different. the only thing they have in common is that they both need electricity to work. Apr 10 11:02:53 can you elaborate it Apr 10 11:03:15 Arduino is AVR, and BeagleBone is ARM Apr 10 11:03:50 is it drain battery faster Apr 10 11:03:53 hisham: actually i see little point in elaborating if you do not ask about some specific detail you want compared. there's just too little in common to list it all now. Apr 10 11:04:52 yes you may be right then please tell me about the codding of beagle bone Apr 10 11:05:47 hisham depends Apr 10 11:06:04 for Arduino you mostly have c, for bone you have all from c to go Apr 10 11:06:25 and haskell ! Apr 10 11:06:32 yes Apr 10 11:07:01 Arduino is a Microcontroller (no OS), and BeagleBone is a Microprocessor (Linux, Windows, what-ever) Apr 10 11:07:14 i like to program my BBB in whitespace Apr 10 11:07:41 actually I 'm beginer in electronics ,and I'm doubt is beagle bone is a right choice for a beginer Apr 10 11:08:03 hisham hm yes Apr 10 11:08:20 hisham: for getting started with tinkering, an arduino is certainly way easier Apr 10 11:09:10 hisham: basically the arduino is an electronics tinkering device, where as the BBB is a pocket sized linux computer. Apr 10 11:09:33 hisham: you see even those short description do not share a single word or similarity Apr 10 11:09:39 and my friend tell me that ,once I start with an audrino board I will be force to do simple projects further developmets is not possible Apr 10 11:10:25 well nobody says its impossible to buy a second, different board in your life once you reached the boundaries of an arduino, right? Apr 10 11:10:45 but if you're into the electronics part of things, better start with an arduino Apr 10 11:11:35 then beagle bone stands for what if aurdino stands for electronics Apr 10 11:12:35 "BBB is a pocket sized linux computer" Apr 10 11:13:19 thats sounds good Apr 10 11:13:29 and thankyou for your service Apr 10 11:13:30 6kb of ram vs 500mb of ram, 16ghz processors vs 1000ghz processor Apr 10 11:13:47 microcontroller vs computer Apr 10 11:14:45 LetoThe2nd: +1 for whitespace Apr 10 11:14:47 whats the diffrence between beagle bone vs beagle bord Apr 10 11:15:35 hisham: please read beagleboard.org Apr 10 11:15:48 hisham: this is not a hand holding channel Apr 10 11:16:09 hisham: do your own research and come back when something is not clear Apr 10 11:16:17 hisham: but expecting to be spoon fed is a no-go Apr 10 11:16:45 bwarff: a 16GHz processor is pretty impressive! Apr 10 11:16:48 :) Apr 10 11:17:27 :P Apr 10 11:17:34 mega hurts ! Apr 10 11:18:07 1.21JIGAWATS! Apr 10 11:18:48 ok I understand KotH Apr 10 11:40:03 beagleboard is if you want to run more stuff on it like voice recognition, image processing along with digital and analog i/o Apr 10 11:40:14 and use a high level interface in general Apr 10 11:40:38 if you want to have services running on it for the web as well Apr 10 12:02:20 hisham: beagleboard omap cpu - beaglebone sitara cpu .. different familys .. one multimedia one industrial Apr 10 12:36:41 Hi, while using ntp time, (UK) it always returns one hour less than the actual time. Eg: now time is 13.35 But when I say date, it returns 12.35. Any suggessions Apr 10 12:42:59 Amil this is a beagle question? Apr 10 13:00:54 Amil: you have the wrong timezone setting Apr 10 13:01:22 Amil: most likely, that date returns UTC Apr 10 13:01:50 Amil: also: it's 12:35 not 12.35 Apr 10 13:11:32 KotH: I think there are locales that use a dött as separator. en_UK is probably not one of them. Though it seems generally permissible in the UK to use a dot as separator Apr 10 13:12:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_the_United_Kingdom Apr 10 13:12:36 * tbr will stick to ISO 8601 Apr 10 13:14:12 * KotH approves of the use of ISO 8601 Apr 10 13:22:22 i have a slight problem with my beaglebone Apr 10 13:22:46 i can't find the AIN pins through /sys/ folder Apr 10 13:24:06 there are some addresses as in /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bone-iio-helper/helper.14/AIN0 Apr 10 13:24:29 or /sys/devices/ocp.2/helper.14/AIN1 Apr 10 13:24:37 missing DT? Apr 10 13:24:45 but i i got the device tree Apr 10 13:25:06 i can find all these folders except from the helper.14 part Apr 10 13:25:25 maybe i should download it from somewhere? Apr 10 13:47:40 does anyone know where i can download bone-iio-helper? Apr 10 13:49:30 is anyone online? Apr 10 13:50:41 anyone?? Apr 10 13:54:54 bbuser: DO NOT SEND PRIVATE MESSAGES Apr 10 13:55:00 bbuser: it's very rude Apr 10 13:55:05 sorry Apr 10 13:55:14 there was an option for it Apr 10 13:55:21 bbuser: rule #1: you are not entitled to help Apr 10 13:55:31 bbuser: rule #2: people here are not paid to help you Apr 10 13:55:38 bbuser: rule #3: be nice Apr 10 13:55:57 i didn't think anyone was online Apr 10 13:56:02 bbuser: rule #4: apply common sense Apr 10 13:56:22 if nobody is only, why are there close to 300 people here? Apr 10 13:56:25 online* Apr 10 13:56:45 no ones answering. sorry, it was a selfish move from me Apr 10 13:57:28 i don't really know the ettiquette of online chats Apr 10 13:57:41 ok, you come in, ask a question and expect an answer to a question that should be possible to figure out with google (and thuse people are not inclined to answer) within a couple of minutes? Apr 10 13:58:04 i have tried google, really Apr 10 13:58:13 oh, the ettiquette is pretty simple: don't be an asshole Apr 10 13:58:22 woah, ok now ur being rude Apr 10 13:58:39 ok.. sorry, didnt mean to Apr 10 13:58:40 u proved ur point ok, no need being an asshole urself Apr 10 13:58:43 but you are not the first one today Apr 10 13:59:04 sry, ddnt read ur previous comment Apr 10 13:59:24 i apologize for my behaviour Apr 10 14:00:14 i guess i'll just leave my query here and wait then: Apr 10 14:01:06 hrmpf... Apr 10 14:01:21 the iio helper should be in some git repo Apr 10 14:01:24 but i cannot find it either Apr 10 14:02:33 Hi, i'm wondering if you can download the helper.* from /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bone-iio-helper/ or any other addresses to gain access to the AIN pins. I do not have the AIN files anywhere and have tried looking in goole for answers but cannot find any. Any help will be much appreciated. Thank you. Apr 10 14:03:12 bbuser: to gain access to AIN pins you need to configure DT correctly Apr 10 14:03:23 bbuser: DT = devicetree Apr 10 14:03:32 yes, it's kind of strange. For it to be missing. Apr 10 14:03:41 missing? Apr 10 14:03:53 you should have a .dtb file somewhere Apr 10 14:03:59 that is loaded by the bootloader Apr 10 14:04:11 if not, the BBB wouldnt work at all Apr 10 14:04:31 bbuser: which os/version/kernel are you running? Apr 10 14:05:08 ill check, one sec Apr 10 14:05:57 on official images, echo cape-bone-iio > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots should be enough to make /sys/devices/ocp.*/helper.*/AIN* appear Apr 10 14:06:30 at least on 3.8 kernel which i'm using, dunno for other versions Apr 10 14:10:04 3.8.13 Apr 10 14:12:31 samuel: thanks for the help, permission is denied when i try accessing /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots Apr 10 14:13:17 kotH: thanks, i'm sure its configured, its just some files are missing Apr 10 14:13:58 bbuser: you need to be root Apr 10 14:14:05 bbuser: if you want your BBB behave differnetly (hardware wise) than the standard use case, you have to provide a custom DT Apr 10 14:14:13 bbuser: the old way was trough the capemanager Apr 10 14:14:39 bbuser: the new way (after the demise of capemanager) is by editing the DT that gets loaded at boot time Apr 10 14:16:04 KotH: where is this dt located? or better, where can i find some documentation on that? Apr 10 14:16:12 samuel: i am logged in as root, ive typed cd before the accessor line if that makes a difference Apr 10 14:18:22 bbuser: does /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/ exist? can you cd into it? what is its content? Apr 10 14:18:32 samael: google for "linux devicetree" Apr 10 14:19:07 samael: a big portion of the doku is in the kernel source under Documentation/devicetree Apr 10 14:19:51 samuel: it does exist, ill tell you whats in it now Apr 10 14:20:55 samuel: baseboard driver modalias power slot-2 slot-4 slots subsystem uevents Apr 10 14:24:00 KotH: i've read a bit about dt. actually i have written an overlay for a custom cape using capemgr (asking a lot of advices here), but i still miss how i'm supposed to operate with non-capemgr kernels. had a look around on the web but didn't seem to find any specific doc Apr 10 14:24:35 bbuser: weird, you should be able to write there as root Apr 10 14:24:55 samael: heh Apr 10 14:24:57 samael: yes Apr 10 14:25:03 samael: DT is a fucking mess Apr 10 14:25:20 samael: part of the documentation is old power-pc stuff Apr 10 14:25:23 bbuser: double check for the exact syntax, and pay attention to the > sign: echo cape-bone-iio > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots Apr 10 14:25:27 samael: part of the documentation is in the kernel sources Apr 10 14:25:37 samael: part of the documentation has not been written yet Apr 10 14:26:04 samael: oh.. and DT is also a moving target, with changes in policy how to handle it in the kernel community every couple of months Apr 10 14:26:16 samael: for further information, you may ask mdp and panto Apr 10 14:26:24 s/information/war stories/ Apr 10 14:26:53 i see. i already suspected part of what you just stated :) Apr 10 14:27:47 samael: try reading the devicetree mailinglist. it is quite entertaining... unless you have to deal with DT. Then it's just sad Apr 10 14:27:51 i can open slots through nano Apr 10 14:28:14 KotH: LOL Apr 10 14:28:47 samuel: i didnt see your previous comment, ill copy it onto my bb now Apr 10 14:31:45 samuel: ive entered your line samuel, all seems to be fine. should helper*/AIN* appear now? Apr 10 14:32:54 yep. try cat /sys/devices/ocp.*/helper.*/AIN1 Apr 10 14:36:53 samuel: it says "no such file or directory" BUT helper.13 is a new addition to my ocp.2!! Which is one step closer :) Apr 10 14:37:37 modalias power subsystem uevent are in the helper.13 file Apr 10 14:37:42 *folder Apr 10 14:39:18 bbuser: what does "cat /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots" says? make a paste here http://paste.debian.net/ Apr 10 14:44:26 samuel: i'm not able to add files to the site, Since im working on a different laptop. but ill write it down Apr 10 14:48:53 samuel: 0: 54: PF--- nl(newline) 0: 55: PF--- nl 0: 56: P---L Beaglebone LCD7 CAPE, 00A3. Beagleboardtoys,BB-bone-lcd7-01 nl 0: 57: PF--- nl ff:P-O-L override board name, 00A0, override mauf,BB-UART4 nl ff:P-O-L override board name, 00A0, override mauf,cape-bone-iio Apr 10 14:49:24 or its easier if i do this Apr 10 14:49:26 54: PF--- Apr 10 14:49:45 2: 55: PF--- Apr 10 14:50:03 3: 56: P---L Beaglebone LCD7 CAPE, 00A3. Beagleboardtoys,BB-bone-lcd7-01 Apr 10 14:50:07 bbuser: it's enough. the last line, ending with "cape-bone-iio" says "L", which means loaded. files should be there Apr 10 14:55:57 samuel: yes, that line has been added when i wrote : echo cape-bone-iio > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots and that gave me helper.13 in ocp.2 Apr 10 14:59:25 bbuser: that's what it's supposed to do. in helper.13/ you then have all the files from where you can read the value of your analog inputs Apr 10 15:01:09 samuel: but i only have: modalias, power, subsystem, uevent in the helper.13 folder, i don't have any AIN* Apr 10 15:03:40 bbuser: no clue then. try with "find /sys/ -iname '*ain*' -print" Apr 10 15:09:44 samuel: ive just typed it, no AIN. i've also restarted my BB from BASH to GUI and went to search for helper.13 but it was gone, so i logged back into BASH and tried looking there, and it was gone too. I think i'll have to retype the codes you gave me in the starter file :/ thank you for your help Apr 10 15:10:46 that probably sounded ironic, didnt mean it that way! I mean im really grateful for your help Apr 10 15:11:57 bbuser: if you want it to be loaded automatically, you probably need to append "cape-bone-iio" to the "CAPE=" line in /etc/default/capemgr (at least until you're on a 3.8 kernel) Apr 10 15:12:24 it's a virtual cape, but I guess that's the way Apr 10 15:13:21 ill write down :) thank you Apr 10 15:13:33 *it Apr 10 15:13:51 np Apr 10 15:30:26 hey guys, curious here… in the debian instance, i am attempting allow-hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0, this does not seem to work… is this a hardware restriction? Apr 10 15:31:21 mwillbanks, did you remove/disable "wicd/connman" ? Otherwise, hotplug "works" when you remove and then insert the cable.. Apr 10 15:32:29 not that i know of, i was utilizing your smallest package, aka the non gui one for debian (most recent) Apr 10 15:33:20 rcn-ee don't he need ifplugd too? Apr 10 15:33:47 that's just standard debian networking.. i know if you only have "alllow-hotplug" it won't work with the cable connected on bootup. you have to physcially disconnect/reconnect... Apr 10 15:34:35 mwillbanks try to install ifplugd that should set the ip everytime you connect and reconnect the cable or boot with cable on Apr 10 15:34:52 woglinde: already doing it, that seems like what i need :) Apr 10 15:36:45 mwillbanks you still need interfaces of course Apr 10 15:37:22 allow-hotplug is normaly for devices which can occure dynamicly Apr 10 15:37:29 like usb-eth adapters Apr 10 15:37:41 or laptops. ;) Apr 10 15:38:04 ? Apr 10 15:38:23 hotplog pci devices Apr 10 16:03:20 <_av500_> hotdog Apr 10 16:04:03 hotcheese Apr 10 16:04:15 coldbeer Apr 10 16:06:24 *burp* Apr 10 16:10:10 whiskey :D Apr 10 17:11:14 How can i set a password to the cloud9 IDE on BBB (Debian) ? I tried many stuff. But couldnt figure it out. Apr 10 18:47:09 var time_b = setTimeout(go_forward_b, 100); Apr 10 18:47:20 how could i run time_b, Apr 10 18:47:26 ? Apr 10 18:50:05 what are you trying to do? Apr 10 18:51:40 I'm not aware of setTimeout returning anything Apr 10 20:12:51 thurgood_: i would like to run servo motor 1 180° an make it stop and after run servo motor 2 180 and make it stop and after run -1- 0° ......... Apr 10 20:13:18 thurgood_: i would like to make a small spider Apr 10 20:34:33 I would suggest one function for each action with setTimeout for the next function sort of stair stepping but looping back around to the beginning Apr 10 20:37:10 thurgood_: thanks you very much Apr 10 21:39:17 <_av500_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsHM2F2tZ2M Apr 10 22:59:10 What's the worst you can brick a beaglebone black through software? Is it possible to render it unrecoverable short of jtag hardware? Apr 10 23:08:14 <_av500_> no Apr 10 23:08:25 <_av500_> you can always boot from SD Apr 10 23:08:30 <_av500_> and recover it Apr 10 23:22:48 may be able to do some damage with clock speeds and such, certainly you can shorten the life by overclocking not sure if that fits your definition Apr 10 23:43:14 does anyone know how to trace gpio commands, I have a beaglebone with a binary only kernel module that I’m trying to document Apr 10 23:43:34 does strace or ptrace work? Apr 10 23:43:57 strace would work if gpio commands are syscalls Apr 10 23:44:58 well, those don’t seem to be enabled commands on this firmware build Apr 10 23:45:19 its some stripped down angstrom distribution AFAIK Apr 10 23:48:35 it has opkg but it seems to not have any package feeds Apr 10 23:55:42 honestly, ok got that fixed and installed strace **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 11 02:59:58 2015