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May 26 14:45:30 <vagrantc> looks like the BBB will be reasonably well supported in Debian Jessie 8.1 after all.
May 26 14:46:17 <vagrantc> although debian-installer requires some manual intervention in u-boot
May 26 21:57:37 <rcn-ee> jkridner, ping
May 26 22:47:42 <Leonard> cloud 9 tries to open then fails.  Any ideas?
May 26 22:49:59 <Leonard> right click in window and select "inspect element".  In that window I see "Uncaught type error: Illegal invocation"
May 27 01:36:07 <veremit> zmatt .. yes, musb in general.
May 27 02:21:19 <zmatt> just checking, since I normally never use usb on the bbb, but does it work reliably as host controller for low-bandwidth stuff (human input devices) ?
May 27 02:21:30 <zmatt> (i.e. dma disabled, and not acting as device)
May 27 02:21:31 <agmlego|skynet> Most of the time, yeah.
May 27 02:21:43 <agmlego|skynet> Still not a bad idea to have a powered hub.
May 27 02:22:01 <zmatt> yes there'd be one
May 27 02:23:53 <agmlego|skynet> SHould be fine.
May 27 02:24:53 <zmatt> besides the brokenness of dma (TI's lovely CPPI 4.1), what other issues are known?
May 27 02:24:57 <veremit> provided it works .. its fine
May 27 02:25:06 <zmatt> veremit: that's an interesting precondition
May 27 02:25:11 <veremit> its just when it doesn't lol
May 27 02:25:57 <veremit> mine's got a usb hdd attached .. an interestingly it does seem to work ok for me over a net connection/nfs/ samba share
May 27 02:28:21 <veremit> its a massive improvement on the pi implementation .. ahaha. yes, usb hdd and usb networking over the single host port .. yeahno lol.
May 27 02:28:32 <zmatt> hehe
May 27 02:28:46 <veremit> a very simp[le test to highlight the worst design issue of the pi.
May 27 02:28:52 <veremit> imho.
May 27 02:29:53 <veremit> I should try my banana-pi out .. see how it compares .. and whether its usb works properly...
May 27 02:30:11 <zmatt> the broadcom chip just isn't designed for it... it's basically a smartphone chip minus the modem/wireless hw
May 27 02:30:33 <veremit> zmatt .. mostly my conclusion its an applications processor not  a cpu
May 27 02:30:50 <veremit> iirc its a settopbox chip
May 27 02:31:02 <veremit> ie. it has to do hdmi .. but beyond that ..
May 27 02:31:23 <zmatt> ah that's possible too... in any case yeah it has video stuff and that's it
May 27 02:31:55 <zmatt> the same bcm2708 subchip is used in a whole bunch of configurations
May 27 02:32:08 <veremit> the single or quad core?
May 27 02:32:32 <zmatt> that's the arm processor... that's not part of the bcm2708
May 27 02:32:41 <zmatt> the arm subsystem is auxiliary
May 27 02:32:44 <zmatt> stuck on the side
May 27 02:33:06 <zmatt> the processor boots from the videocore processor that's part of the bcm2708
May 27 02:33:30 <zmatt> bcm2708 + arm1176 = bcm2835
May 27 02:33:34 <zmatt> bcm2708 + quad-a7 = bcm2836
May 27 02:34:11 <zmatt> the videocore is actually the main cpu
May 27 02:34:37 <veremit> yuk
May 27 02:34:45 <zmatt> (ARMless bcm2708-derivatives exist too)
May 27 02:35:08 <veremit> thats a .. erm .. unique setup
May 27 02:35:22 <zmatt> the original videocore SoCs didn't have any ARM
May 27 02:35:38 <zmatt> later ones added an ARM core for familiarity
May 27 02:38:41 <zmatt> if I'm ever gonna play with a Pi it's probably going to be for the videocore ;)
May 27 02:38:44 <zmatt> that or trustzone
May 27 02:42:57 <zmatt> and I'm slightly intrigued by some parts of the big blob of source/headers released by broadcom
May 27 02:43:04 <zmatt> such as bcm2708_chip/fpga_peripheral.h
May 27 02:43:36 <veremit> I suspect there's some hints to its RL applications ..
May 27 02:44:16 <zmatt> in general it's a surprisingly uncensored register dump
May 27 02:44:36 <zmatt> even things like the OTP controller, addresses where usually HDCP keys are kept, etc
May 27 02:45:36 <veremit> I've broadly dismissed it since its not got any peripherals that are useful to me .. since i got the beagle and wand
May 27 02:45:54 <veremit> although I'm a bit stuck with the wand until the uboot/kernel bodges are ironed out
May 27 02:46:16 <zmatt> well I'm not sure all capabilities of the bcm2708 are publicly appreciated yet
May 27 02:46:29 <veremit> unless it happens that the right uboot bodges are already incorporated in RN's patches, ofc :D
May 27 02:46:32 <veremit> I should prod him on that
May 27 02:46:49 <veremit> zmatt .. probably
May 27 02:47:21 <veremit> thats the problem with heavily closed ip
May 27 02:47:31 <veremit> nobody knows :)
May 27 02:47:54 <zmatt> right, except for aforementioned heap of source code
May 27 02:49:10 <veremit> hackers might figure it out once its been fully digested ..
May 27 02:49:27 <veremit> I use the term losely :)
May 27 02:50:04 <zmatt> (I actually get the impression the fpga thing really means it has a small bit of fpga fabric on board)
May 27 02:50:29 <zmatt> or it might not, who knows
May 27 02:55:01 <zmatt> but yeah, I like the am335x better ;)
May 27 02:55:25 <zmatt> dispite its share of facepalm-moments
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