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Jan 04 05:10:54 <simha> Hi good mng all !!
Jan 04 05:12:37 <simha> I am working on 3.19 kernel for beaglebone black and I am trying dual display with device tree
Jan 04 05:13:31 <simha> I am new to devicetree and if dualdisplay support any one done can suggest how to add support to 3.19 kernel.
Jan 04 05:15:33 <imanpakii> is anybody knows what is the location of uEnv.txt in BBBAndroid?
Jan 04 05:20:11 <vagrantc> simha: why 3.19 ?
Jan 04 05:43:35 <simha> I am working with 3.19 currently for my req.
Jan 04 05:44:12 <simha> @vagrantc
Jan 04 06:01:58 <vagrantc> i am working with 3.19 because i am working with 3.19... ok.
Jan 04 06:02:33 <vagrantc> Nico44: you might want to stop autorejoin with such an unstable network connection...
Jan 04 06:03:01 <veremit> we'll poke wmat/av500 to set up a ban :)
Jan 04 06:03:32 <veremit> another individual had this problem not so long ago
Jan 04 06:11:48 <veremit> +1 av500
Jan 04 06:20:38 <simha> please any one can help out the duaadisplay on latest 3.19 kernel or above
Jan 04 06:24:35 <simha> or how to create two frame buffers fb0, fb1
Jan 04 06:30:25 <vagrantc> or newer, that makes more sense...
Jan 04 06:30:29 <veremit> o,O
Jan 04 06:34:38 <vagrantc> simha: how do you have the hardware on the beaglebone black to have a dual display?
Jan 04 06:35:54 <simha> am trying to test mini hdmi and with lcd expansion
Jan 04 06:40:23 <vagrantc> wow, Nico44's IRC client is really good at being obnoxious
Jan 04 06:41:38 <simha> is it possible to create two fb* ?
Jan 04 10:31:12 <Raj__> How to set Date & time on beaglebone black?
Jan 04 10:51:03 <stt_michael> erm .. date? ntp?
Jan 04 14:07:15 <samdesd> hi, I bought the earlier version of BB white colour .... I think it has Anstrong (sorry for spelling) Linux in it.... can I upgrage it to Debian?
Jan 04 14:12:48 <stt_michael> samdesd, yes .. the generic images on the elinux site cover all variants
Jan 04 14:14:07 <stt_michael> samdesd, http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#2015-11-03 - don't use the Flasher obviously :)
Jan 04 14:14:38 <samdesd> Hi, stt_michael, can I write C++ code using Eclipse IDE in Windows and upload the apps to BB white via Ethernet instead of usb?
Jan 04 14:15:10 <stt_michael> sure
Jan 04 14:15:34 * stt_michael doesn't like the usb client interface
Jan 04 14:17:19 <samdesd> Is there a guide for getting C++ compiled in Windows and upload to BB in the BB website?
Jan 04 14:33:49 <Spidler> oh for FUCKS sake. *groans*
Jan 04 14:34:18 <Spidler> Note to self: strangle Scada developers.   Instead of returning an error code, they return a valid value with all bits set. Because obviously that means something.
Jan 04 15:48:07 <stephen_> Hello, I've used the beaglebone at work for a few projects, now I'm looking to set up an (ideally FOSS) server, but I noticed that performance-wise, the current generation of beaglebone black/green are about comparable to the new five dollar pi zero. Is an updated revision in the pipeline?
Jan 04 15:49:41 <av500> stephen_: no
Jan 04 15:50:07 <av500> stephen_: if all you need is a server sitting on the internet, go for a $5 pi
Jan 04 15:51:10 <av500> oh wait, the $pi does not even have ethernet
Jan 04 15:51:27 <av500> nor does it have working usb to connect some
Jan 04 15:51:33 <tbr> "oops"
Jan 04 15:52:29 <stephen_> If the green had 1G ram and next-teir processor, it would be perfect
Jan 04 15:52:36 <stephen_> that's why I'm hoping for an update
Jan 04 15:52:57 <stephen_> *tier
Jan 04 15:53:19 <tbr> I don't see any new beagle low end board in the near future
Jan 04 15:53:27 <tbr> in the high end theres the X15
Jan 04 15:53:46 <tbr> but a $200 price tag is probably not what you're looking for
Jan 04 15:54:37 <av500> stephen_: get any random *pi board from china
Jan 04 15:55:12 <stephen_> av500: do you know any offhand? (saves me a search)
Jan 04 15:55:58 <av500> bananapi
Jan 04 15:57:04 <Defiant> but banana is allwinner
Jan 04 15:57:39 <samael> a "bbb on steroids" with a multi-core arm cpu (comparable to the pi 2 model b) would be very interesting, indeed
Jan 04 15:57:53 <av500> Defiant: so?
Jan 04 15:58:05 <stephen_> hmm, it's a little expensive ($55 here in canada)
Jan 04 15:58:32 <av500> then get a pi2
Jan 04 15:59:10 <av500> that might have working ethernet
Jan 04 16:01:49 <stephen_> yep, it does (just bought one for family)
Jan 04 16:01:55 <stephen_> that's my backup plan
Jan 04 16:02:11 <av500> why backup?
Jan 04 16:02:37 <av500> its already cheaper than BBB
Jan 04 16:04:20 <stephen_> I like the beaglebones (I've used them a bunch) also, FOSS ideology
Jan 04 16:05:06 <stephen_> but barring an somewhat-immenent update to the BB lineup, Pi2 is is
Jan 04 16:05:31 <tbr> Pi2 at least has a sane CPU architecture now
Jan 04 16:05:38 <stephen_> mhm
Jan 04 16:05:41 <tbr> their USB is supposedly still crap
Jan 04 16:05:51 <tbr> but so is musb on e.g. BBB
Jan 04 16:06:10 <stephen_> I haven't looked at the driver stack, but I was plugging flash drives in yesterday, and that worked fine
Jan 04 16:09:10 <Defiant> afaik bulk transfer is not a problem on the pi
Jan 04 16:09:28 <Defiant> its not time critical
Jan 04 16:11:54 <stephen_> fine for consumer webserver stuff then. Do you know what makes the drivers nondeterministic?
Jan 04 16:15:47 <Defiant> websearch for "raspberry pi usb elephant" should do it
Jan 04 16:16:14 <zmatt> 1G ram might be doable if you have impressive skills with desoldering and resoldering a BGA ;P
Jan 04 16:18:57 <stt_michael> problem with pi is the single usb channel to the processor ..
Jan 04 16:18:59 <zmatt> or possibly 2G, if you manage to find a single-rank chip that big
Jan 04 16:19:30 <stt_michael> could get an imx6rex .. they're opensource hardware
Jan 04 16:20:07 <zmatt> the 100 Mbit ethernet phy of the BBB is also a shame
Jan 04 16:20:20 <stt_michael> zmatt, we need to get to the bottom of making it Gb ;)
Jan 04 16:20:23 <zmatt> but low cost was the priority
Jan 04 16:20:34 <stt_michael> yeah gb TI phy's are ridiculous
Jan 04 16:20:44 <zmatt> stt_michael: I'm fairly certain it can do 2G
Jan 04 16:20:49 <zmatt> dispite claims to the contrary
Jan 04 16:20:53 <zmatt> but not 100% certain
Jan 04 16:21:07 <stt_michael> zmatt, well my wandboard can only do 0.5gb because of aprocessor pipeline issue
Jan 04 16:21:12 <stt_michael> but that's fast enough :)
Jan 04 16:21:22 <zmatt> oh
Jan 04 16:21:26 <zmatt> you meant ethernet
Jan 04 16:21:41 <zmatt> ds2 apparently managed to wire a gigabit phy into a BBB
Jan 04 16:21:42 <stt_michael> <zmatt> the 100 Mbit ethernet phy of the BBB is also a shame
Jan 04 16:22:02 <stt_michael> yes, thats what I meant
Jan 04 16:22:28 <zmatt> with about 60cm of wire to delay the clock (since neither phy nor am335x supported internal delay)
Jan 04 16:22:44 <zmatt> I still can't believe there are no photos of that feat
Jan 04 16:22:44 <stt_michael> o,o
Jan 04 16:22:52 <stt_michael> zmatt, yeah
Jan 04 16:23:18 <zmatt> he mentioned pings came through, I didn't ask what the average bit error rate was though :P
Jan 04 16:23:25 <stt_michael> lol
Jan 04 16:23:35 <stt_michael> iostat :)
Jan 04 16:23:49 <stt_michael> whats the other one?
Jan 04 16:24:02 <zmatt> ip -s link
Jan 04 16:24:41 <stt_michael> ah iproute2
Jan 04 16:26:17 <zmatt> but all balls are there, so if the signal integrity is okayish enough and you can find a gigabit phy with internal delay whose footprint coincidentally happens to be right.... yeah never gonna happen I know, but still
Jan 04 16:27:18 <stt_michael> zmatt, lol .. hence wanna see ds2's solution :)
Jan 04 16:27:56 <zmatt> presumably wires
Jan 04 16:28:44 <zmatt> which actually tend to have cleaner signal transmission than pcb traces, though I'd be slightly worried about the impedance jump
Jan 04 16:32:07 <zmatt> but it's weird, on one hand I know it's really important to pay attention to signal integrity issues at such high speeds, on the other hand I've seen you can sometimes get away with crazy shit
Jan 04 16:34:04 <zmatt> like we once made a prototype board with a dm814x, and being ignorant about some of the finer points I used CCS to configure EMIF for me and then ran an extensive memory test overnight
Jan 04 16:34:56 <zmatt> later I realized that  1. I was using the leveling for the EVM, which are totally off for our board
Jan 04 16:35:28 <zmatt> 2. to use the RAM speed I configured I was supposed to raise the OPP and in particular raise the core voltage via the pmic, I hadn't
Jan 04 16:36:02 <zmatt> 3. the dm814x we had was from a lower speed bin and didn't support that OPP at all
Jan 04 16:36:22 <zmatt> yet the memory test ran with 0 errors :P
Jan 04 16:38:04 <zmatt> so I still don't have an intuition what exactly you can or can't get away with w.r.t. highspeed signals
Jan 04 16:38:22 <stt_michael> zmatt, lmao!
Jan 04 16:46:49 <zmatt> with rgmii only 2 groups of 6 signals that need to line up right, with max ±0.5 ns skew
Jan 04 16:47:02 <zmatt> but 0.5 ns is a lot
Jan 04 16:47:30 <zmatt> (and you can probably get away with more than that)
Jan 04 16:50:20 <zmatt> the biggest problem is that you can't use the existing ethernet connector
Jan 04 16:50:52 <zmatt> and the amount of wires you'd need to solder onto tiny smd pads
Jan 04 16:51:13 <zmatt> I would probably end up solder-blobbing the whole thing together if I tried it :P
Jan 04 17:10:34 <zmatt> the most user-friendly solution would be to desolder the phy, crystal, and ethernet connector, and make a tiny pcb with the replacement ethernet phy + connector having appropriate solder pads on the bottom side to attach it to the BBB
Jan 04 17:12:58 <stt_michael> zmatt, doable with some of those sprung pins .. what do they call 'em .. err ..
Jan 04 17:13:02 * stt_michael goes google ..
Jan 04 17:13:49 <stt_michael> yeah. Those. test pins
Jan 04 19:45:40 <veremit> looks like Nico still hasn't fixed his irc client ...
Jan 05 00:12:25 <yates> zmatt: are you using TI CCS (V6) to debug your bbb code?
Jan 05 00:13:21 <yates> if so, how do you get it to load elf files? it only seems to want to load .out file (ti coff format). ick.
Jan 05 00:15:14 <yates> also, where is the am335x interrupt vector table located on startup? i.e., what does the reset shove into the PC?
Jan 05 00:15:37 <yates> 0x00020000?
Jan 05 00:16:15 <yates> and how many cats can dance on the head of a starkist tuna can?
Jan 05 00:16:42 <yates> peace, brother.
Jan 05 00:17:24 <yates> zmatt: dude, are you listening?
Jan 05 00:18:11 <yates> Ragnorok: are you the guy in Rand's Atlas Shrugged?
Jan 05 00:18:23 <yates> many parts of a pine tree are edible.
Jan 05 00:19:11 <yates> <crickets...>
Jan 05 00:20:49 <yates> .
Jan 05 00:21:46 <vcc> boy i sure have a heavy load...
Jan 05 00:22:05 <vcc> .
Jan 05 00:22:48 <vcc> A funny thing happened on the way to the irc channel...
Jan 05 00:24:15 <yates> .
Jan 05 00:24:16 <yates> .
Jan 05 00:24:17 <yates> .
Jan 05 00:29:15 <yates> .
Jan 05 00:29:30 <yates> everyone went to the pi?
Jan 05 00:29:40 <yates> gosh seems dead here lately.
Jan 05 00:30:04 <yates> av500: can you hear me?
Jan 05 00:38:28 <agmlego> yates: It is the first day of work for a lot of people. Maybe they have other things to do.
Jan 05 00:43:55 <yates> agmlego: sure. however, the usefulness of the channel and the probability of using it as a resource is inversely proportional to the response time.
Jan 05 00:44:16 <yates> one could make the same statement after a hundred years...
Jan 05 00:52:16 <agmlego> yates: Well, I personally also find it impolite when a random in a channel begins directly addressing me over and over. ::shrugs::
Jan 05 00:53:19 <yates> random?
Jan 05 00:53:35 <yates> are you referring to zmatt?
Jan 05 00:53:51 <yates> rather, to my asking zmatt questions?
Jan 05 00:54:25 <yates> that's far from random, although you might not know about it.
Jan 05 00:54:36 <yates> we've spoken for HOURS on this channel...
Jan 05 00:55:27 <yates> there are other things in life besides irc, however... :)
Jan 05 01:22:14 <GenTooMan> What? there is where!?
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