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Sep 20 03:05:11 <ericxdu> Hi folks
Sep 20 03:23:58 <ayjay_t> howdy
Sep 20 03:33:41 <ericxdu> Doh!
Sep 20 03:33:49 <ericxdu> Just ran outta space on eMMC
Sep 20 03:34:02 <ericxdu> Shoulda used SD
Sep 20 03:50:05 <ericxdu> Okay gonna try a different angle: Debian 8.5 on a 8 GB SD card. Should give me some stability and space to work with.
Sep 20 04:25:54 <ericxdu> I can hardly ever get my bbb to show anything on the monitor
Sep 20 04:27:44 <ayjay_t> whats wrong ericxdu
Sep 20 04:27:57 <ayjay_t> you plug in the hdmi but it doesn't like it?
Sep 20 04:29:07 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: Yup. Only after a lot of fiddling do I get any signal. sometimes
Sep 20 04:29:35 <ayjay_t> did you find the "state" file in the /sys directory
Sep 20 04:30:15 <ayjay_t> and you can echo '0' to the blank file.. its like /sys/class/graphics/fb0/
Sep 20 04:30:56 <ayjay_t> and did you try setting some "safe" resolution in the kernel command line to force it to said safe resolution
Sep 20 04:31:06 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: hmm... I'd have to ssh in to do that
Sep 20 04:31:16 <ayjay_t> ! you're not ssh'ed in?
Sep 20 04:31:28 <ayjay_t> ur just using your browser?
Sep 20 04:31:41 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: :-x
Sep 20 04:32:09 <ayjay_t> don't get me wrong, the whole web interface is amazing
Sep 20 04:32:29 <ayjay_t> but the whole embedded linux on an am355x is boobies
Sep 20 04:34:26 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: Uh... I'm not connected over USD if that's what you mean
Sep 20 04:34:37 <ericxdu> USB
Sep 20 04:34:50 <ericxdu> Maybe I should be.
Sep 20 04:34:54 <ayjay_t> how are you connected?
Sep 20 04:34:58 <ayjay_t> it doesn't matter, I don't use USB
Sep 20 04:35:44 <ayjay_t> serial is the best for debugging since you get the see the startup blather
Sep 20 04:36:21 <ayjay_t> and i find the ethernet connection to be a) more reliable and b) more convenient since I don't need to be physically be next to the device to use it
Sep 20 04:36:39 <ericxdu> Oh okay. Well I'm NOT connected. I have power to DC jack, cable to HDMI monitor, and a keyboard plugged in. I have ethernet to my LAN available if needed
Sep 20 04:37:06 <ericxdu> Problem is monitor wont recieve signal
Sep 20 04:37:06 <ayjay_t> oh i see, yeah i never really used it much that way.
Sep 20 04:37:26 <ayjay_t> but you're using the latest imge?
Sep 20 04:37:28 <ayjay_t> image*
Sep 20 04:37:54 <ayjay_t> I found that the hdmi compatibility increased greatly between software updates
Sep 20 04:39:21 <ericxdu> I am trying to use the Debian 8.5 image listed on elinux.org. Just trying to figure out the easiest way to use this thing.
Sep 20 04:39:41 <ericxdu> The Beaglebone Black
Sep 20 04:39:56 <ericxdu> If I shouhd be using Angstrom I will. ;-)
Sep 20 04:40:04 <zmatt> many kernel versions had an lcdc driver with broken pixel clock calculation, resulting in about 50% chance of getting no output (for any random set of timings)
Sep 20 04:40:35 <zmatt> (though any particular set of timings would have worked consistently or failed consistently)
Sep 20 04:41:00 <ayjay_t> ericxdu: i use debian and i greatly prefer ssh'ing over ethernet
Sep 20 04:41:03 <ericxdu> Sounds terrible. :-P
Sep 20 04:41:34 <ericxdu> The video timings.
Sep 20 04:41:53 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: that however sounds interesting.
Sep 20 04:42:12 <ayjay_t> it's great.
Sep 20 04:42:21 <zmatt> ericxdu: it was something really stupid too
Sep 20 04:42:29 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: So you're talking about using the latest debian?
Sep 20 04:43:04 <zmatt> display pll would be set up to deliver 2 * desired pixel clock
Sep 20 04:43:40 <zmatt> but then bizarrely instead of using a fixed /2 divider to get the pixel clock, that divider was calculated by dividing the display pll rate by the desired pixel clock
Sep 20 04:44:21 <zmatt> if it's exact then the answer would always be 2, but due to rounding it could also end up being 1 :P
Sep 20 04:44:28 <ayjay_t> oh wow
Sep 20 04:44:52 <ericxdu> zmatt, so... some simple mistake kinda crippled display for bbb?
Sep 20 04:45:03 <ayjay_t> i used the latest debian and it worked on both my screens, but obviously that's not stopping it from breaking others
Sep 20 04:45:12 <zmatt> this bug should have been fixed for quite a while
Sep 20 04:45:34 <zmatt> that was another stupid thing: it had been fixed in TI's tree a long time ago but it somehow took ages to land upstream
Sep 20 04:48:45 <ayjay_t> is it still in the latest image do you know?
Sep 20 04:49:04 <ayjay_t> zmatt, i deployed my own git server
Sep 20 04:51:15 <ayjay_t> hmm i want to snoop in on some registers being controlled by another driver
Sep 20 04:52:52 <zmatt> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=3d19306a8240
Sep 20 04:52:58 <zmatt> that's no problem
Sep 20 04:56:31 <zmatt> I've often enough accessed peripheral registers from userspace even while a kernel driver for it was loaded :P  as long as you're a bit careful there's not necessarily any problem with that
Sep 20 04:56:48 <ayjay_t> are you using /dev/mem?
Sep 20 04:58:15 <zmatt> usually yes, due to laziness.  I'm trying to switch over to using uio for serious applications
Sep 20 05:00:20 <ayjay_t> hmm
Sep 20 05:17:02 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: lemme see if I have this straight: you do use monitors with your bbb, but instead of a keyboard directly you ssh in over ethernet?
Sep 20 05:17:18 <ayjay_t> uh well i develop applications for lcd screens and stuff
Sep 20 05:17:36 <ayjay_t> i mean thats what i've been doing with it
Sep 20 05:18:29 <ericxdu> Do you mean the little screen capes?
Sep 20 05:18:39 <ayjay_t> no i have lcd screens with ribbons
Sep 20 05:18:46 <ayjay_t> and i break out the lcd screen and manually attach them
Sep 20 05:18:56 <ayjay_t> anywhere from 1" diag to 10" diag
Sep 20 05:19:25 <ericxdu> Oooo that is fun
Sep 20 05:20:09 <ayjay_t> yeah it can be pretty rough lol
Sep 20 05:20:16 <ayjay_t> but i've done hdmi too
Sep 20 05:21:42 <ericxdu> zmatt: do you know what I have to jiggle to get screen working? Is it turning the monitor off/on? or unplug/replug the cable?
Sep 20 05:23:39 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: :-) It sounds fun though. What breakout gear do you use? Does it come off the io pins?
Sep 20 05:23:42 <zmatt> I've never had to do any such thing
Sep 20 05:24:18 <zmatt> on the old kernels with broken calculation it helped to set a known-good resolution that didn't trigger the bug, but other than that displays have Just Worked for me as far as I remember
Sep 20 05:25:00 <zmatt> well, apart from that weird glitch thingy
Sep 20 05:25:14 <ericxdu> zmatt: apparently I have a dis-agreeable one. I shall see about setting a known res.
Sep 20 05:26:00 <ayjay_t> ericxdu: yeah I use SPI and RGB protocol, so the 16 lcdN pins + vsync, hsync, ac_bias, and pclck etc etc
Sep 20 05:26:04 <ayjay_t> gotta get the dpip to smt
Sep 20 05:27:48 <ericxdu> You makin' games on those little screens or what?
Sep 20 05:29:08 <ayjay_t> right now i'm just getting all the functionality i can out of them
Sep 20 05:30:19 <ericxdu> Maybe I should use this opportunity experiment with X tunnelling.
Sep 20 05:31:25 <ericxdu> But I'm also tempted to get one of these lcd capes and get X to display on them
Sep 20 05:31:31 <ericxdu> It
Sep 20 05:32:19 <ayjay_t> oh if you do that come back in here and grab me
Sep 20 05:33:16 <ericxdu> As long as its easy. :-P
Sep 20 05:33:50 <ayjay_t> i guess that the capes would be easier than what i do
Sep 20 05:34:02 <ayjay_t> i had to dig through all kinds of source and figure out how to configure it, and lean on this channel a lot
Sep 20 05:34:16 <ayjay_t> i'm pretty noisy
Sep 20 05:34:21 <veremit> there's a lot to .. know.
Sep 20 05:34:55 <ayjay_t> the available docs are pretty rough too
Sep 20 05:35:10 <ayjay_t> although still a huge help
Sep 20 05:35:12 <veremit> *understatement*
Sep 20 05:35:33 <ayjay_t> haha which part
Sep 20 05:35:38 <ayjay_t> what you said?
Sep 20 05:35:40 <ayjay_t> or what i said
Sep 20 05:35:52 <veremit> all of what you said :P
Sep 20 05:36:20 <ayjay_t> haha
Sep 20 05:36:22 <veremit> no wait .. the docs bit lol
Sep 20 05:36:25 <veremit> not about bein noisy
Sep 20 05:38:35 <ayjay_t> lol i'm glad
Sep 20 05:38:51 <ayjay_t> none of my friends or anyone else really have any idea what i'm doing with this linux shit
Sep 20 05:38:55 <ayjay_t> oops excuse me
Sep 20 05:41:43 <ericxdu> I just want to dev games on this thing.
Sep 20 05:42:46 <ayjay_t> really? why on the BBB, out of curiosity
Sep 20 05:42:51 <ayjay_t> it's like you want to make a new console lol
Sep 20 05:48:04 <zmatt> (for people working on a new console, see Pyra :P )
Sep 20 05:51:09 <veremit> the BBB is an interesting choice for a console .. bt probably better than the pi .. but worse graphics :/
Sep 20 05:52:09 <ayjay_t> how do the graphics engines stack up?
Sep 20 05:52:12 <ayjay_t> against each other, that is
Sep 20 05:54:21 <veremit> well .. consider the broadcom is a set-top-box SoC where as the am335x is industrial control iirc
Sep 20 05:55:01 <ayjay_t> haha i didn't know that was the chip they're using
Sep 20 05:56:55 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: veremit: I want to dev for a cheap set of specs, and yeah kinda wanna make a console. Hand-crafted artisan game consoles! :-D
Sep 20 05:57:07 <ayjay_t> well, i've found all the BBB-LCD examples that use tscadc, but them seem to enable adc-channels 4, 5, 6, 7 which is like, weird to me because a) can we have even access 7 and b) 0 is channel that the TSC_ADC_SS has special pullups for
Sep 20 05:57:29 <veremit> ericxdu: awesome
Sep 20 05:58:25 <ericxdu> I already have some games working on RPi B+. You just gotta be reasonable with the amount of sprites you use and such
Sep 20 05:58:39 <veremit> ayjay_t: probably some stupid reason .. is it to do with which ones are exposed on the P8/9 headers?
Sep 20 05:58:56 <veremit> ericxdu: yup yup. You seen the PiGrl, etc?
Sep 20 05:59:15 <veremit> ericxdu: and scummvm . my friend works with that.
Sep 20 05:59:18 <ericxdu> veremit: yeah those look cool
Sep 20 06:00:54 <ayjay_t> well 0-6 is exposed on the headers
Sep 20 06:01:35 <ayjay_t> so i figured it could be one of those base-1 messups at first, but when i checked the raw_voltage7 file in the /dev/ tree, it's clearly enabling one of the not-broken-out analog ins
Sep 20 06:02:37 <ericxdu> veremit: oh I recently got a Zeroinstall feed for atari800 working on the Pi, would be nice to test it on bbb
Sep 20 06:03:13 <ericxdu> So you see I need display running somehow and a DE or X working
Sep 20 06:03:41 <ericxdu> veremit: speaking of emulators/scipted engines
Sep 20 06:04:20 <veremit> ericxdu: the stock image should be running lxde or lxqt or xfce I thought ..
Sep 20 06:04:43 <ayjay_t> but this guys comment says that in the DT, ADC channel 6 is the breakouts 5 (base error again) but i mean... not the same results i'm getting
Sep 20 06:05:07 <ayjay_t> veremit: his hdmi is acting funky
Sep 20 06:05:23 <veremit> oo. That old cookies
Sep 20 06:05:25 <veremit> -s
Sep 20 06:05:39 <veremit> hdmi is a funny beast on that.
Sep 20 06:07:28 <ericxdu> veremit: angstrom?
Sep 20 06:11:21 <veremit> debian?
Sep 20 06:11:25 <veremit> ericxdu: ^
Sep 20 06:12:00 <ericxdu> veremit: well I don't know what the stock image is these days
Sep 20 06:12:18 <ayjay_t> i used the one off the beaglebone website
Sep 20 06:12:29 <ayjay_t> i just google beaglebone black images and then make sure its a flasher
Sep 20 06:12:31 <veremit> there should be Debian Jessie images up there
Sep 20 06:13:17 <veremit> although most of my arm boards are minimal/console only .. I usually run them headless .. except mayve my O-Pi :D
Sep 20 06:13:35 <veremit> oh I still haven't fired up my late b/day present to myself .. pine64 :D
Sep 20 06:13:57 <veremit> I do have a uSD card with stock for my 'play' BBB for testing
Sep 20 06:14:11 <veremit> my other BBB is running DHCP/DNS caching for my network :D
Sep 20 06:14:21 <veremit> and one/two other jobs
Sep 20 06:14:44 <veremit> ugh I was debating a network reorganisation from bed :/ *another* one ...
Sep 20 06:21:18 <ericxdu> Is ayjay_t your normal SN. writing it down in case I get an LCD thingy
Sep 20 06:21:51 <ayjay_t> if you get a cape i don't know if i can help you much because i've never worked with a cape
Sep 20 06:22:01 <ericxdu> Or x tunnelling.. not sure which you were referring to
Sep 20 06:22:58 <ayjay_t> but if you do some soldering and get an adafruit lcd breakoutboard and a normal fpc ribbon lcd screen i will give you all of my config files
Sep 20 06:29:24 <ericxdu> Ah thx.
Sep 20 06:29:30 <ericxdu> Not likely tho
Sep 20 07:09:38 <ericxdu> Couldn't get screen working again... so I set it up back in headless mode.
Sep 20 07:14:58 <veremit> aww
Sep 20 07:15:07 <veremit> what screen .. is it just a tv or monitor?
Sep 20 07:20:46 <ericxdu> It's a hd tv
Sep 20 07:21:33 <ericxdu> I just got xterm running via X forwarding tho. :-D
Sep 20 07:23:55 <Velsiol> anyone have video accelleration working on a x15 yet?
Sep 20 07:24:19 <ayjay_t> someone wanna send me an x15 lol
Sep 20 07:26:14 <Velsiol> "only" 240 bux on RS
Sep 20 07:26:25 <Velsiol> The B1 is going in production very soon
Sep 20 07:26:55 <veremit> bargain
Sep 20 07:27:02 <veremit> that's a lot of chip for ya $
Sep 20 07:27:42 <ayjay_t> is it?
Sep 20 07:27:43 <veremit> but yeah .. cheaper to buy a dual-ethernet ITX x64 board :P
Sep 20 07:27:52 <ayjay_t> mah
Sep 20 07:28:17 <veremit> brb
Sep 20 07:28:25 <Velsiol> its really fast, except no ez way to use the gpu or iva :^(
Sep 20 07:33:53 <ericxdu> I'm like this with arm boards: http://youtu.be/ttHufkNAjbI
Sep 20 08:35:41 <Arul_> Hey I am new to Beagleboard, Need a favor on installing the ubuntu flash on Beagle. Is this the right forum to raise the question
Sep 20 08:36:37 <Arul_> Can someone guide me to the right forum on hosting ubuntu on the beaglebone
Sep 20 08:48:16 <ayjay_t> i realize you're asking for ubuntu, but i'd use debian, which ubuntu is based on
Sep 20 08:48:31 <ayjay_t> you can google beaglebone black images and find good images
Sep 20 08:48:51 <ayjay_t> but here: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Ubuntu_On_BeagleBone_Black
Sep 20 08:48:53 <veremit> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images <= preferred
Sep 20 08:49:22 <veremit> a lot of elinux is outdated and/or unmaintained :(
Sep 20 08:57:21 <Arul_> ok thanks guys will check it out. I am not seeing capemgr directory in devices folder of the ubuntu
Sep 20 08:57:27 <Arul_> that is the reason for raising this issue
Sep 20 08:58:51 <veremit> ah .. capemgr has come and gone a bit...
Sep 20 09:01:03 <veremit> ugh someone should go through and cull old bugs for cups< not in tree :/
Sep 20 09:01:15 <zmatt> on debian it's been there non-stop
Sep 20 09:01:28 <zmatt> arul was probably just referring to the fact it moves within sysfs
Sep 20 09:02:10 <zmatt> (which is one of the things listed on elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Debian_Image_Migration )
Sep 20 09:02:13 <zmatt> *moved
Sep 20 09:30:30 <ayjay_t> holy crap finally figured out the pins listed in the device tree for the adc are the ones *NOT* used be the touchscreen but opened for the adc
Sep 20 09:38:35 <veremit> lol
Sep 20 13:31:49 <arul_> hi please any one tell ho to flash a debian image to beaglebone block actually i downloaded the image from beaglebone latest image.org
Sep 20 13:39:17 <arul_> after download(debian 8.4) by using win32disk image successfully write into sd card after am press the boot button until the 4 led glow after i release the button but the first led still bling but am not get any display on screen please any one help me
Sep 20 13:49:24 <Ragnorok> "not get any display on screen" makes no sense in the context of flashing an image.  While it's flashing the LEDs should "go back and forth", not just blink.  Perhaps you didn't do it correctly?
Sep 20 14:37:06 <ericxdu> I don't think X forwarding will be adequate for my purposes. Will be fun to play around with. though.
Sep 20 14:37:50 <ericxdu> Y'all said elinux.org resources are out-of-date?
Sep 20 14:49:28 <ericxdu> Mention of Pine64 reminded me: any of y'all heard of the EOMA68  computer?
Sep 20 15:13:21 <beagle> error updating the debian 7.4 to 7.9
Sep 20 16:59:44 <ayjay_t> ericxdu, i would use the beaglebone website, i think veremit posted the link a little higher
Sep 20 17:10:44 <Spidler> ericxdu: nope? Link me! :)
Sep 20 17:10:51 <Spidler> I collect boards that gather dust!
Sep 20 17:11:11 <Spidler> I've got a lot of single card machines that gather dust.. one of these days I'll get around to make them gather dust in different places!
Sep 20 17:42:34 <ericxdu> Spidler: The first EOMA68 computer is being made by www.rhombus-tech.net
Sep 20 17:52:04 <Spidler> ericxdu: Ah. Another attempt at Project ARA?
Sep 20 17:56:34 <ericxdu> Spidler: hmm not sure about that.
Sep 20 17:57:06 <ericxdu> This is just an sbc you can use either standalone or plug it into a housing
Sep 20 18:01:07 <veremit> X forwarding is slow as f*** .. use VNC ...
Sep 20 18:03:48 <Spidler> ericxdu: Well, the compute module on the RaspberryPi   and others use that kind of thing.
Sep 20 18:04:05 <Spidler> veremit: Whut? X forwarding should be faster than VNC... wait, on CSD it isn't, my bad.
Sep 20 18:04:18 <Spidler> veremit: Are you talking about _proper_ X forwarding, or SSH X forwarding?
Sep 20 18:04:23 * Spidler always gets confused.
Sep 20 18:04:28 <veremit> erm
Sep 20 18:04:37 <veremit> what's the difference?!
Sep 20 18:04:38 <Spidler> I'm old enough to have run Suns in a lab with _proper_ X forwarding
Sep 20 18:04:42 <Spidler> It's not slow. anywhere
Sep 20 18:04:48 <Spidler> It's fucking _Blazing_ fast.
Sep 20 18:04:53 <veremit> well .. back in the windows Exceed days ....
Sep 20 18:05:09 <Spidler> veremit: X is a client server protocol, Rendering is usually done on the server, and the client runs the app.
Sep 20 18:05:12 <veremit> but I find compression on VNC vs X forwarding I use ... no competition
Sep 20 18:05:34 <Spidler> veremit: These days, clients render their windows to a pixmap, and forward that to the server. That's slow. Cause it's always pushing a pixmap.
Sep 20 18:05:38 <veremit> could be sometihng I'm doing wrong .. but .. even over a LAN .. BIIIIIIG differnce
Sep 20 18:05:46 <veremit> even more so over an internet link
Sep 20 18:05:58 <Spidler> veremit: Proper X forwarding is _blazing_ fast, as you don't send pixmaps anywhere, only "Draw text here" "draw window here"
Sep 20 18:06:11 <vagrantc> also astoundingly insecure
Sep 20 18:06:16 <Spidler> What most people use as "X forwarding" today, is "ssh -X <machine>"
Sep 20 18:06:36 <Spidler> Which sets up a weird pseudo-term X socket forwards over an SSH-channel, with redirection.
Sep 20 18:06:42 <Spidler> Hah
Sep 20 18:06:47 <veremit> yeah I think there is a big difference somewhere .. but I've never used raw X in that case
Sep 20 18:06:50 <Spidler> Insecure? only begins to cover it.
Sep 20 18:07:01 <Spidler> You're supposed to have your home directory on the network
Sep 20 18:07:11 <Spidler> So your X cookie can be read in the same place by the server and client
Sep 20 18:07:29 <Spidler> to share your auth cookies, the server writes it to the disk, client reads from the disk, and then use that over the network.
Sep 20 18:07:55 <Spidler> Don't even get me started on how XFS worked :)
Sep 20 18:08:06 <Spidler> ( Not the filesystem, newcomer, the X Font Server! )
Sep 20 18:08:10 <vagrantc> many applications, unfortunately, don't support X11 network transparency very well anymore
Sep 20 18:08:24 <Spidler> I am soo happy that it's 8 years since the last commit to XFree86
Sep 20 18:08:36 <Spidler> vagrantc: Oh,very true.
Sep 20 18:08:53 <vagrantc> they make a lot of assumptions about local hardware ...
Sep 20 18:09:01 <Spidler> veremit: If you want ssh X forward to be fast, you need to get compresion enabled, and make sure you set up the X Damage  extension properly
Sep 20 18:09:12 <Spidler> Without X Damage, it'll ship the whole window frame every time
Sep 20 18:09:27 <Spidler> And that's just going to annihilate your bandwidth
Sep 20 18:09:34 <vagrantc> ssh compression will often slow down the connection enough ... only really helps over very slow links
Sep 20 18:09:37 <Spidler> But if you want _performance_ you should set up Spice .
Sep 20 18:09:50 <veremit> I'll stick to vnc over vpn or ssh tunnel :)
Sep 20 18:09:51 <Spidler> vagrantc: need to set the blocksize right so it fills the buffer.
Sep 20 18:10:13 <ericxdu> Spidler: I'd like to make X forwarding faster somehow. I had no idea ssh did it so inefficiently
Sep 20 18:10:14 <Spidler> SSH blocksizes are... magic. Let's just leave it at that.  Still sadly underexposed.
Sep 20 18:11:05 <Spidler> ericxdu: SSH does the bare minimum. It sets up a channel inside the SSH protocol, and binds a port on each side, allowing your X client to reach the server.
Sep 20 18:11:17 <Spidler> Really, you want spice .
Sep 20 18:11:42 <vagrantc> i think spice requires x86_64 (at least on one end)
Sep 20 18:11:47 <Spidler> https://www.spice-space.org/
Sep 20 18:12:01 <Spidler> vagrantc: prolly not, migth require arm64 too ;)
Sep 20 18:12:31 <ericxdu> I'm not familiar with it. Niether am I sure how to use VNC in my context. I'd have to learn more to figure out what to try
Sep 20 18:13:11 <Spidler> ericxdu: Be wary. You're entering a system that was first designed in the early 70's,  in a concept of cleient/Server that's completely inverted to what you're used to.
Sep 20 18:14:37 <ericxdu> Spidler: I'm a *little* familiar with X. I read a lot about the client-server relationship and why it existed.
Sep 20 18:15:03 <ericxdu> I just assumed ssh was the way to do it though. :-P
Sep 20 18:15:11 <Spidler> The modern part of the history is that a lot of the Network model was discarded because of <reasons>
Sep 20 18:16:12 <Spidler> <reasons> include transparency, which is a requirement for AntiAliasing,   DPI, which never can be solved in the X11 model, Hardware Acceleration ( 5 generations currently? DRI3 and other examples)....
Sep 20 18:16:16 <Spidler> Dammit
Sep 20 18:16:34 <Spidler> I might have earned this gray bard after all.
Sep 20 18:16:47 <ericxdu> Hehe
Sep 20 18:16:53 * vagrantc hands Spidler a lute
Sep 20 18:17:42 * Spidler plays the smallest little lute
Sep 20 18:17:51 <Spidler> not quite the tiniest violin
Sep 20 18:18:06 <Spidler> Good things to look for on youtube are Keith Packards talks.
Sep 20 18:18:43 <Spidler> Him and Adam Jackson (one s or two?), ajax,  regularly hold talks about X/Wayland, network and the acceleration.
Sep 20 18:19:49 <ericxdu> Spidler: is it at least still possible, simply, to set up a proper X forwarding path?
Sep 20 18:20:57 <vagrantc> ericxdu: you have countless protocols to choose between... dunno if any of them can be called proper
Sep 20 18:21:42 <ericxdu> heh alright. I'll maybe look into vnc.
Sep 20 18:22:53 <Spidler> And then you end up with "Xvnc or something else"  ;)
Sep 20 18:22:54 <ericxdu> I just now know I should probably avoid ssh forwarding
Sep 20 18:23:23 <vagrantc> really depends on what your expectations are
Sep 20 18:24:00 <Spidler> And what is slow.
Sep 20 18:24:13 <Spidler> X has.. nasty ping-pong requirements
Sep 20 18:24:28 <Spidler> The X11 protocol is suboptimal for high RTT links.
Sep 20 18:25:48 <ericxdu> I'm seeing something about xming./..
Sep 20 18:26:04 <Spidler> Run
Sep 20 18:26:10 <Spidler> you're in the wrong time era
Sep 20 18:26:17 <Spidler> XMing is so dead it's not even fun
Sep 20 18:26:21 <Spidler> You'll also find NX
Sep 20 18:26:27 <Spidler> NX is....  Interesting.
Sep 20 18:26:35 <Spidler> So when you see that mentioned, run.
Sep 20 18:26:46 <Spidler> There is noone who's managed to package & deploy it properly. Tons of hacks.
Sep 20 18:26:51 <Spidler> A codebase that's.. well.
Sep 20 18:26:59 <Spidler> Let's not talk badly about others.
Sep 20 18:27:04 <ericxdu> Oh that's windows
Sep 20 18:27:36 <ericxdu> Spidler: X is on its way out anyway. :-P
Sep 20 18:27:55 <Spidler> X has been on it's way out _forever_
Sep 20 18:28:11 <ericxdu> Heheh
Sep 20 18:28:13 <Spidler> Turns out that it's a giant pile of <foo> for a reason. It's a fairly difficult problem.
Sep 20 18:28:30 <Spidler> Wayland is awesome.  They just need to figure out how to make it rotate the screen.
Sep 20 18:28:44 <Spidler> The wayland solution is to punt that off to another app, the display manager.
Sep 20 18:29:03 <ericxdu> I'm not planning to become dependent on X anyway, I just need to find some way to use my bbb in a non-headless way
Sep 20 18:29:04 <Spidler> Which basically moves a ton of the code from the X11 server into a per-session app that does your window management.
Sep 20 18:29:10 <Spidler> Mmm
Sep 20 18:29:57 <ericxdu> I'm trying again with my monitor plugged in today. Hope I have better luck
Sep 20 18:31:44 <Spidler> What are you trying to do?
Sep 20 18:32:39 <ayjay_t> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
Sep 20 18:32:43 <ericxdu> Just want a desktop envionment, or at least a way to run desktop apps
Sep 20 18:34:20 <Spidler> ericxdu: a DE comes by default depending on the image you choose.
Sep 20 18:34:29 <Spidler> git pull
Sep 20 18:34:32 <Spidler> woups, wrong window
Sep 20 18:35:48 <ericxdu> I installed a Debian 8.5 image last night. I'm not home to test it atm
Sep 20 18:38:56 <ericxdu> But that's not so much my problem as I just can't get a display working reliably
Sep 20 18:39:28 <ericxdu> bbb doesn't like my hdmi monitor or something
Sep 20 18:40:30 <Spidler> A, finicky.
Sep 20 18:40:36 <Spidler> Not my area, sadly.
Sep 20 18:41:30 <ericxdu> sokay
Sep 20 18:44:15 <Scott-> All, I flashed a new Debian image, and it is missing BeagleBone-specific support.  For starters, no bone_capemgr.* directory in /sys/devices.  It is clear that I need to do more than reimage Debian.  Looking for help.  Thanks in advance.
Sep 20 18:51:26 <ericxdu> ayjay_t: Thanks for the link
Sep 20 18:52:10 <Spidler> Scott-: do you have /opt/scripts/tools ?
Sep 20 18:52:46 <Spidler> Scott-: if you do, it might be enough to do; cd /opt/script/tools; git pull; ./update_kernel.sh   ;
Sep 20 19:09:17 <zmatt> Scott-: note that in 4.x kernels it's /sys/devices/platform/bone_capemgr
Sep 20 19:09:21 <zmatt> Scott-: see http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Debian_Image_Migration
Sep 20 19:10:14 <Rickta59> i've been using a BBB as a wifi access point, every random number of days it seems to lock up .. has anyone else experienced this?
Sep 20 19:11:30 <Rickta59> * I was running 4.4.17-bone12
Sep 20 19:12:00 <Spidler> Meh, I'm lost in a maze of little kernels all alike
Sep 20 19:12:16 <Spidler> Anyone know how to rebuild the 4.7.x-bone kernels from source?
Sep 20 19:12:39 <Rickta59> xyzzy Spidler
Sep 20 19:12:47 <zmatt> basically you clone the appropriate repo and do ./rebuild-deb.sh
Sep 20 19:13:00 <zmatt> https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-LinuxKernel
Sep 20 19:13:20 <zmatt> bb-kernel yields a -bone kernel, ti-linux-kernel-dev yields a -ti kernel
Sep 20 19:13:32 <Spidler> Ah, thanks
Sep 20 19:14:00 <Spidler> so the -bone kernels are built from am33x-v4.7 branch I take it?
Sep 20 19:14:13 <Spidler> *checks* 28 branches. Yeah, should be it
Sep 20 19:14:17 <Spidler> Excellent, thanks zmatt!
Sep 20 19:16:23 <zmatt> yw
Sep 20 19:16:25 <zmatt> bbl, train
Sep 20 19:16:46 <Scott-> @zmatt: thanks, was looking in wrong spot ...
Sep 20 19:22:48 <nebul8> hey
Sep 20 19:23:04 <nebul8> I want to make a power supply for my beagle bone black
Sep 20 19:23:39 <nebul8> can I just solder a barrel connector to some random USB power supply (the ones for phones etc.) ?
Sep 20 19:23:57 <nebul8> right pins ofc etc.
Sep 20 19:24:15 <Rickta59> i'm using a 1.5A usb power supply without the barrel jack ...
Sep 20 19:24:22 <Rickta59> just plugged it into the usb port
Sep 20 19:24:37 <Rickta59> * granted i'm running headless
Sep 20 19:25:31 <Rickta59> and I have it running at 600MHz
Sep 20 19:25:39 <nebul8> yeah I want my usb port free :)
Sep 20 19:25:47 <nebul8> but thx anyway
Sep 20 19:26:03 <Rickta59> what are you doing with that?
Sep 20 19:27:46 <nebul8> I want it free in case the system hangs for debugging purposes
Sep 20 19:28:14 <Rickta59> yeah i have a usb serial dongle plugged in for that purpose
Sep 20 19:28:24 <Rickta59> into the uart pins
Sep 20 19:29:20 <nebul8> I think I'll just try it out :)
Sep 20 20:37:02 <raffo_> hi, is anyone using the TI AM572x development board? if so, I would like to get a copy of the eeprom firmware. When flashing the latest demo image, the script overwrote the original eeprom.
Sep 20 20:37:52 <raffo_> The original board string was "AM572x EVM REV A.30", now it reads "BeagleBoard X15 REV B.10"
Sep 20 20:37:53 <tbr> "oops"
Sep 20 20:38:11 <tbr> jkridner: ^^^^
Sep 20 20:38:49 <raffo_> The board still boots and I have not seen any odd behavior,  but I'd like to restore the original one.
Sep 20 20:39:03 <tbr> the AM572x EVM is actually the same as an X15 REV A.something
Sep 20 20:40:43 <raffo_> I've a board "AM572x EVM REV A.20"
Sep 20 20:42:37 <zmatt> nebul8: it is also possible to power the BBB via P9
Sep 20 20:44:18 <zmatt> (pins 1+2 for ground and pins 5+6 for 5V)
Sep 20 20:46:13 <raffo_> I'm looking for someone with a beagle board x15 revision  "AM572x EVM REV A.30" Is there someone with one of these boards?
Sep 20 20:47:02 <zmatt> the board id eeprom is modifiable? o.O
Sep 21 01:40:01 <lava_> hi friends shall i use pc ATX smps power supply for my BEAGLEBOARD-X15 power-in
Sep 21 02:02:17 <lava_> hi friends
Sep 21 02:02:54 <lava_> shall i use pc ATX SMPS for my BEAGLEBOARD-X15 board
Sep 21 02:04:29 <lava_> in that ATX 12v with high amps is available and so accurate also
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