**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 02:59:58 2016 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 03:36:57 2016 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 03:47:33 2016 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 04:18:25 2016 Sep 24 10:47:46 Hello everyone, does QNX run on the new SanCloud board? Sep 24 10:54:50 m0t0ro: isn't that a question better asked to qnx themselves? Sep 24 10:56:21 in general the BBE is sufficiently similar to the BBB that only some minor effort is needed: a small update to u-boot, an updated device tree for linux Sep 24 10:56:40 why ask this to qnx? Sep 24 10:57:24 because it is *their* commercial OS? Sep 24 10:57:48 uhm, what? Sep 24 10:58:20 what if I ask about that here or there? Sep 24 10:58:26 i'm just asking about compatibility Sep 24 10:58:35 you will most likely not get any sensible answers here Sep 24 10:58:49 I wasn't looking for sensible answers Sep 24 10:58:59 I was looking for a yes/no kind of answr Sep 24 10:59:01 that's all Sep 24 10:59:10 m0t0ro: the commercial closed-source nature means that any porting needs to be done by qnx anyhow Sep 24 10:59:10 you insensitive clod! Sep 24 10:59:33 lol omg Sep 24 11:00:17 m0t0ro: I don't know how qnx bootloading is done. if it uses mainline u-boot then updating that might get you a working system but unable to take advantage of its enhancements Sep 24 11:00:52 I am getting more information from I expected Sep 24 11:01:01 * tbr guesses it will need the fluxcapacitor aligned Sep 24 11:01:12 as I said earlier, I was juste expecting a yes or a no Sep 24 11:01:17 as an asnwer Sep 24 11:01:25 you will not get that type of answer here Sep 24 11:01:28 I wasn't expecting any of you to provide details Sep 24 11:01:30 only guesses and trolling Sep 24 11:01:30 taking advantage of the BBE's enhancements obviously requires qnx to know about them; I have no idea how that is done Sep 24 11:01:44 well a yes-or-no requires someone who actually uses QNX *and* has a BBE Sep 24 11:02:03 since very few, if any, people here use QNX, and the BBE hasn't been released yet, that's rather unlikely Sep 24 11:02:07 someone who actually uses? Sep 24 11:02:08 lol Sep 24 11:02:09 * tbr qualifies for neither Sep 24 11:02:12 just installed it Sep 24 11:02:23 there's a free image available to install on BBB Sep 24 11:02:45 so I was asking if anyone here alredy gave it a try for the new enhaced board Sep 24 11:02:51 you can also try asking SanCloud since they seem to have some ties with the automotive market Sep 24 11:03:13 thank you zmatt Sep 24 11:03:26 that's useful info Sep 24 11:03:34 zmatt: how dare you not give him a yes no answer! :-> Sep 24 11:03:51 tbr: go get a life man Sep 24 11:04:06 thanks I already have one Sep 24 11:04:11 m0t0ro: tbr is perfectly justified. when asking questions about unreleased hardware you can't expect a "yes or no" answer Sep 24 11:04:32 zmatt: thank you again Sep 24 11:04:39 and following sensible pointers is kinda expected Sep 24 11:05:43 oh and obviously the answer shouldn't be yes or no, but "FILE NOT FOUND!" Sep 24 11:05:56 haha Sep 24 11:24:43 Researchers experience difficulty in studying near human extinction directly, since humanity has never been destroyed before.[4] Sep 24 11:24:50 really, is a citation needed for that... Sep 24 12:14:43 Hi all, I just got a beaglebone green wireless, however whenever anything is plugged into the USB, the wireless chip refuses to initialize. I am guessing it's a power issue; any way I can tell the PMIC I am supplying it with a dc supply rather than USB, or any other way to troubleshoot? Sep 24 13:02:42 kraln: hm, this happens even with very low-power peripherals like a mouse or something? Sep 24 13:06:31 assuming the BBGW schematic is right, the pmic already thinks it's being powered via a dc supply Sep 24 13:10:10 I think I've seen more people with problems with wireless coming up though, lemme browse the schematics to see if I can spot more stupid stuff they did... last time I examined it I already concluded it was designed by idiots Sep 24 13:12:31 lol, I see they ditched the spread-spectrum clockgen of the BBG and returned to a normal 24 MHz crystal... I guess they discovered that having an unstable main oscillator is not such a great thing after all Sep 24 13:20:06 at least they do have decent caps on the 5V of downstream usb ports Sep 24 13:20:27 usb power switch is a non-existent part number, nice Sep 24 13:21:43 ah there it is Sep 24 13:22:21 kraln: boot otherwise proceeds normally, only wireless not working? Sep 24 13:24:43 Hey Sep 24 13:24:54 I need help Sep 24 13:27:16 indeed Sep 24 14:00:24 Do BBONE-BLACK have conformal coating Sep 24 14:07:34 apparently you didn't care enough to wait a few minutes Sep 24 14:08:21 Hi zmatt Sep 24 14:10:32 yes? Sep 24 14:11:05 you helped me with that TT3201 driver.. I'm still working on it. I'm learning how to use the device tree Sep 24 14:11:13 ah, hi Sep 24 14:14:57 have you tried getting some support from the manufacturer? considering they still sell it and ask 87 euros (!) for it, it seems to me rather inconsiderate of them to support it this badly Sep 24 14:17:16 yeah I sent them an email, but nothing back. It's probably been a week Sep 24 14:18:10 "The invalid resource and the other warning are normal. Sep 24 14:18:11 " Sep 24 14:18:16 (I'm pretty sure it isn't) Sep 24 14:18:34 huh? Sep 24 14:19:03 was browsing their flimsy "user guide" again Sep 24 14:20:35 I even emailed the creator of the dts, which is the owner of the company Sep 24 14:21:47 I think he is on to bigger and better things looking at his linkedin profile Sep 24 14:22:57 I guess he is no longer ceo Sep 24 14:26:24 I ordered a new can board, 15 bucks, so is cheap Sep 24 14:26:43 but I still want to write a working driver for the tt3201 Sep 24 14:27:05 device tree Sep 24 14:27:15 (the necessary drivers already exist) Sep 24 14:27:31 on the bright side, learning more about DT is useful anyway Sep 24 14:27:45 yeah I want to learn more Sep 24 14:27:55 at work we are creating a linux based display Sep 24 14:28:09 I'm not involved in it much, but would like to Sep 24 14:28:43 I've been around linux since 1995, so I have experience just not much linux programming (plus stuff changes over the years) Sep 24 14:31:36 embedded linux is still a different story though Sep 24 14:31:53 yeah Sep 24 14:32:27 I have an ECET degree, so I know microcontrollers, so that helps Sep 24 14:34:06 well you could use the AM335x's CAN controller similar to how you'd use one on a microcontroller (in fact it, the Bosch D-CAN module, seems to be designed for microcontrollers) Sep 24 14:34:50 zmatt, sorry, walked away. yeah, boot's normal except for can't initialize the wifi device Sep 24 14:34:58 and if I unplug the stuff, still can't initialize it Sep 24 14:35:10 have to full on power cycle with the stuff not connected, then it's fine, then I can plug stuff in Sep 24 14:35:34 you have have a kernel log? Sep 24 14:36:05 yeah, I can get one. (sorry, I had since put it away). Sep 24 14:36:15 some lovely oopses related to the usb sound card, actually Sep 24 14:37:25 if it's okay with you, I'm sort of done for today and will have another look tomorrow Sep 24 14:38:03 but yeah, this is definitely "Maker grade"™ engineering rather than something I would build a product on Sep 24 14:38:25 oh yeah the BBGW is pretty dumb stuff Sep 24 14:39:03 like sacrificing so much I/O even though they removed ethernet (whose pins could have supported the wifi/BT chipset without sacrificing any expansion header pins) Sep 24 14:40:24 if the power surge from enabling usb is a problem one idea I'd have is delaying enabling of usb Sep 24 14:40:54 I may just put a ntc resistor on the power line, or a huge cap or something Sep 24 14:41:11 luckily, I literally just need i2c, two usb ports, wifi and bluetooth for this project... Sep 24 14:44:04 * zmatt stares at the bbgw's power scheme for the wl1835 with some suspicion Sep 24 14:45:10 hm that seems okay Sep 24 14:46:24 uhhhh Sep 24 14:46:31 waaaaaaait Sep 24 14:47:52 what the hell, they're driving the enable pins directly using BBB GPIOs, without level shifters, even though the WL1835 uses 1.8V I/O Sep 24 14:53:40 kraln: anyhow, g'night to you then Sep 24 20:53:46 what's up with freenode this evening... Sep 24 21:00:07 ah, DoS attack... lame :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 25 02:59:59 2016