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Nov 29 03:04:22 <myself> yunie: https://beagleboard.org/green-wireless links to http://cc.seeed.cc/project_detail.html?id=1591
Nov 29 03:05:32 <myself> Ooh this looks neat: http://www.seeed.cc/Bluetooth-Device-Detection-with-the-BeagleBone-Green-Wireless-p-1601.html
Nov 29 09:26:20 <deepak__> I have 4 beaglebone devices . I observe that i need to remove of the ethernet cable from the device to get HDMI display during the boot up
Nov 29 09:26:33 <deepak__> this is shown for all 4 devices
Nov 29 10:04:56 <BBGw_Rookie> did anybody face this error yet? -> wlcore : Errror ELP wakeup timeout
Nov 29 10:25:12 <eject_ck> Hi all, I'm looking for low power device to use as honeypot / drop device, need suggestions. I don't need HDMI or sound, but wireless and ethernet port to run linux on it.
Nov 29 10:25:33 <eject_ck> Is BeagleBone Green wireless my choice ?
Nov 29 10:44:39 <fred_tv> hi, can someone teach me how to activate a modified .dts file ??
Nov 29 10:51:57 <a69> hi fred_tv, usually u need set it in uEnv.txt file in /boot
Nov 29 10:53:34 <fred_tv> a dts driver ont a whole dtb
Nov 29 10:54:23 <fred_tv> i have modified a dts file in /opt/source/bb.overlays/src/arm/
Nov 29 10:55:09 <a69> which version of kernel do u use?
Nov 29 10:55:27 <fred_tv> can I simply run /opt/source/bb.org-overlays/install.sh and reboot ??
Nov 29 10:55:54 <fred_tv> 4.4.30-ti-r64
Nov 29 10:57:26 <a69> if you have cape for it yes
Nov 29 11:00:37 <a69> capes has eeprom and cape manager load dts file base on there data.
Nov 29 11:01:28 <fred_tv> yes it is
Nov 29 11:01:36 <fred_tv> so i'll go that way
Nov 29 11:02:18 <fred_tv> thanks
Nov 29 11:02:56 <a69> ur welcome
Nov 29 11:06:31 <fred_tv> done ! it works perfectly !
Nov 29 12:44:36 <prata> hello
Nov 29 12:45:04 <prata> i look for a zwave shield for bbb, someone now when i can buy it?
Nov 29 12:46:20 <Aneesh_> Hi
Nov 29 12:46:47 <Aneesh_> Where can I find the source code for beagle born black board
Nov 29 12:46:57 <Aneesh_> for any working image
Nov 29 12:59:24 <dury> hi there channel :-)
Nov 29 13:04:47 <dury> what's the difference between https://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-78671/l/element14-beaglebone-black-industrial-4g and normal BeagleBone Black
Nov 29 13:07:00 <thinkfat_> dury: if you can't see it from the description - none.
Nov 29 13:08:34 <dury> thinkfat_, can you roughly explain it, please if you don't mind?
Nov 29 13:09:04 <thinkfat_> dury: "Temperature range from -40°C to +85°C"
Nov 29 13:09:44 <thinkfat_> dury: as you probably read that and it didn't ring a bell ...
Nov 29 13:10:31 <dury> thinkfat_, so it's good to keep it on all the time on, is that right?
Nov 29 13:11:21 <thinkfat_> dury: no, but you can use it in a car, or Iceland.
Nov 29 13:12:36 <dury> thinkfat_, u kidding hahaha
Nov 29 13:13:36 <dury> thinkfat_, red one doesn't need a cooler, right?
Nov 29 13:15:12 <thinkfat_> dury: or a heater
Nov 29 13:17:51 <dury> thinkfat_, imaging that I want to use the red one as a webserver. want to maintain it on 24 hours interrupted
Nov 29 13:18:34 <dury> interrupted it's not the word I mean
Nov 29 13:19:22 <fred_tv> in what environment should you run it as webserver ?
Nov 29 13:19:41 * thinkfat_ leans back...
Nov 29 13:20:55 <dury> mmm.... I mean uninterrupted
Nov 29 13:22:56 <dury> just in my sitting-room that's all fred_tv
Nov 29 13:25:07 <fred_tv> I think any beaglebone model can run 24/24 into any house room....
Nov 29 13:25:51 <fred_tv> unless you have to control your fireplace fans or motors :-))
Nov 29 13:26:29 <fred_tv> I suppose the industrial one was designed for extreme machine control
Nov 29 13:27:00 <dury> fred_tv, without switch it off during a month or something
Nov 29 13:27:25 <fred_tv> (ovens, furnaces, or siberian devices....)
Nov 29 13:28:47 <fred_tv> I've got mine (a white one) running 365/365 outside from -10 to +45 celsius , it reboots only when no mains from electric company.....
Nov 29 13:30:07 <dury> without cooler added on it, fred_tv?
Nov 29 13:30:16 <fred_tv> absolutely NOT
Nov 29 13:30:36 <dury> I see
Nov 29 13:31:02 <dury> some people add a cooler, anyway
Nov 29 13:32:01 <dury> lunch time over here, be back in a while
Nov 29 13:32:38 <fred_tv> don't eat too much !
Nov 29 13:33:28 <dury> right :-)
Nov 29 14:49:51 <dury> fred_tv, are you there?
Nov 29 14:49:57 <fred_tv> yes
Nov 29 14:50:02 <dury> great
Nov 29 14:50:34 <dury> are you able to support me or you are busy?
Nov 29 14:51:22 <fred_tv> for what I could....(not of an expert...)
Nov 29 14:59:44 <dury> fred_tv, see what you can do then, listen, My BBB when it switches on starts from sd-card. eMMC is 2GB. I want to know if it's possible to boot directly from eMMC and have also GUI with LXQT (maybe boot from eMMC and have GUI in sd-card) what you think? the purpose is boot quicker and have GUI with latest image (jessie)
Nov 29 15:00:45 <dury> rev. 5AC
Nov 29 15:03:30 <fred_tv> You can play with this (as I'm doing now):
Nov 29 15:03:52 <fred_tv> https://debian.beagleboard.org/images/bone-debian-8.6-lxqt-4gb-armhf-2016-11-06-4gb.img.xz
Nov 29 15:04:05 <fred_tv> It needs a 4gb sdcard
Nov 29 15:04:43 <fred_tv> then you can flash it into eMMC : I'm copying from website :
Nov 29 15:05:02 <fred_tv> To turn these images into eMMC flasher images, edit the /boot/uEnv.txt file on the Linux partition on the microSD card and remove the '#' on the line with 'cmdline=init=/opt/scripts/tools/eMMC/init-eMMC-flasher-v3.sh'. Enabling this will cause booting the microSD card to flash the eMMC
Nov 29 15:07:56 <dury> I got already that image in a 16GB sd-card that I've expanded the system,
Nov 29 15:08:29 <fred_tv> I have no experience on this as I own only some white bones
Nov 29 15:10:30 <Ragnorok> On a BBB you should be able to hold the power button or so to make it flash w/o editing uEnv.txt, afaik.
Nov 29 15:12:11 <fred_tv> Yes it should prducethe same result
Nov 29 15:12:52 <dury> I'm guessing that ones you've downloaded that image as .img.xz it's the way to turn it in eMMC editing the /boot/uEnv.txt
Nov 29 15:13:08 <dury> or what
Nov 29 15:14:17 <fred_tv> You have to burn extracted file into sdcard , then modify uEnv.txt
Nov 29 15:17:12 <dury> what I did is put that image in the sd-card, then holding the button closer sd reader in the other side of board plug power supplier and that's it boots from card, right
Nov 29 15:17:51 <dury> ... and that's how it boots I mean
Nov 29 15:19:42 <dury> gesss it's not even so clear for me ... the procedure gessssss
Nov 29 15:21:15 <dury> Ragnorok, the power button you mention is the same I said or what?
Nov 29 15:22:40 <fred_tv> there are two buttons on BBB ;-)))
Nov 29 15:23:46 <fred_tv> my collegue has modified uEnv.txt and had it working from eMMC at first shot
Nov 29 15:24:21 <dury> no there are three buttons
Nov 29 15:24:31 <Ragnorok> dury: I think so.  I'd research to be sure.
Nov 29 15:25:14 <dury> boot switcher, power an reset buttons
Nov 29 15:25:35 <fred_tv> yes , two are closer each other....
Nov 29 15:25:38 <fred_tv> http://derekmolloy.ie/write-a-new-image-to-the-beaglebone-black/
Nov 29 15:25:54 <fred_tv> read at the end
Nov 29 15:27:32 <dury> where says what?
Nov 29 15:28:48 <dury> there is not jessie flasher!!
Nov 29 15:33:17 <dury> Ragnorok, fred_tv, no jessie flasher
Nov 29 15:34:11 <dury> Ragnorok, fred_tv, so the only way is to modify uEnv.txt....
Nov 29 15:35:02 <fred_tv> can you modify it ?
Nov 29 15:36:07 <dury> I missed up
Nov 29 15:36:40 <dury> I don't know how to start from where
Nov 29 15:38:03 <fred_tv> once you have burnt the image into sdcard, do you have a working system booting from it ?
Nov 29 15:40:54 <dury> the system booting in sdcard how do I know that, is it an specific file, fred_tv?
Nov 29 15:42:33 <fred_tv> I mean, do you have your working beaglebone booting from sdcard ?
Nov 29 15:43:44 <dury> I guess so though
Nov 29 15:44:17 <fred_tv> do you have an LCD on beaglebone or are you connecting via SSH ?
Nov 29 15:45:20 <dury> is connected to a monitor by its micro hdmi
Nov 29 15:46:32 <fred_tv> so it boots and you have the command line available 8or terminal if LXQT/LXDE is present, isn't it ?
Nov 29 15:47:04 <dury> yep
Nov 29 15:47:34 <fred_tv> so you can edit /boot/uEnv.txt right ?
Nov 29 15:48:24 <dury> one sec fred_tv, please
Nov 29 15:49:49 <dury> where is /boot/uEnv.txt located it?
Nov 29 15:50:21 <dury> I'm in terminal
Nov 29 15:50:30 <fred_tv> uEnv.txt is into /boot .....
Nov 29 15:50:37 <fred_tv> open a terminal :
Nov 29 15:50:54 <fred_tv> sudo nano /boot/uEnv.txt
Nov 29 15:51:26 <dury> I will use another editor anyway
Nov 29 15:51:35 <dury> hang on
Nov 29 15:53:17 <dury> ready, fred_tv continue
Nov 29 15:53:37 <fred_tv> sudo nano /boot/uEnv.txt    :     is the file displayed ?
Nov 29 15:53:52 <dury> yep
Nov 29 15:54:13 <fred_tv> at the end of file you'll see a row:
Nov 29 15:54:43 <fred_tv> #cmdline=init=/opt/scripts/tools/eMMC/init-eMMC-flasher-v3.sh
Nov 29 15:55:00 <dury> see that, yep
Nov 29 15:55:29 <fred_tv> remove the   "#"  at the beginning of the row   , save the file
Nov 29 15:55:46 <dury> right, hang on
Nov 29 15:56:24 <dury> done it saved it then?
Nov 29 15:57:42 <dury> what should I do reboot the system, fred_tv?
Nov 29 15:57:42 <fred_tv> check it :   from command line  :   cat /boot/uEnv.txt    does it display the last line starting without "#" ???
Nov 29 15:57:58 <dury> hang on
Nov 29 15:58:02 <dury> sorry
Nov 29 15:59:00 <dury> yep it does
Nov 29 16:00:43 <dury> yes fred_tv it does that!!
Nov 29 16:01:09 <fred_tv> ok, just reboot it, and it will flash the eMMC, you should see a strange behaviour of its leds (like up and down) when they stops (or all ON)  you can remove the sdcard and reboot
Nov 29 16:02:08 <fred_tv> it should start from internal eMMC  (consider I haven't tried yet directly)
Nov 29 16:02:34 <dury> ok see what's happen
Nov 29 16:02:48 <fred_tv> crossed fingers....
Nov 29 16:08:52 <dury> still flashing up and down....
Nov 29 16:09:27 <dury> how long will it take?
Nov 29 16:12:10 <fred_tv> I don't know..... some minutes....never tried
Nov 29 16:13:59 <dury> even if the sdcard where the system is is expanded or what?
Nov 29 16:15:08 <dury> how have you got installed on yours, fred_tv?
Nov 29 16:16:12 <fred_tv> no I haven't a black beaglebone, only white ones, they have NO eMMC equipped
Nov 29 16:16:38 <dury> four lights flashing at the same time right now
Nov 29 16:16:43 <fred_tv> my collegue has installed it on eMMC the same way you are doing now
Nov 29 16:17:39 <fred_tv> ok wait (if) they stop
Nov 29 16:18:57 <fred_tv> what do you mean for expanded system ?  do you have an sdcard larger than 4gb and repartitioned it ?
Nov 29 16:19:34 <dury> yep
Nov 29 16:23:51 <fred_tv> what about leds ?
Nov 29 16:25:38 <dury> I removed the card but suddenly (didn't know that put back) still flashing four leds at the same time fred_tv
Nov 29 16:26:18 <fred_tv> try to reboot without sdcard
Nov 29 16:26:26 <dury> right
Nov 29 16:26:32 <dury> hang on
Nov 29 16:26:59 <fred_tv> I suspect that 2Gb inner eMMC is not enough to accomodate the LXQT image....
Nov 29 16:27:25 <fred_tv> just a thought....
Nov 29 16:29:07 <fred_tv> no, 4Gb eMMC i've read   so, it should be ok....
Nov 29 16:29:58 <dury> failed 4 leds on at the same time
Nov 29 16:31:10 <dury> so?
Nov 29 16:31:45 <fred_tv> power off
Nov 29 16:31:54 <fred_tv> install sdcard
Nov 29 16:31:57 <fred_tv> power on
Nov 29 16:32:03 <dury> ok
Nov 29 16:32:14 <fred_tv> let it flash eMMC again
Nov 29 16:32:48 <fred_tv> is it something displayed on monitor meanwhile ?
Nov 29 16:34:05 <dury> no
Nov 29 16:35:13 <dury> lights up and down again
Nov 29 16:35:13 <fred_tv> does leds flash left-right    >>><<<>>><<<>>
Nov 29 16:35:21 <dury> yep
Nov 29 16:36:11 <fred_tv> it should be successful when all four are fixed or all four off
Nov 29 16:36:47 <dury> so let all four off then?
Nov 29 16:39:28 <dury> after leds flash left-right starts all four flashing at the same time, fred_tv
Nov 29 16:39:29 <fred_tv> probably ok when all four ON
Nov 29 16:39:54 <fred_tv> something wrong so.....
Nov 29 16:40:07 <fred_tv> probably the fact you have expanded your sd....
Nov 29 16:40:21 <fred_tv> do you have a clean 4gb sdcard ?
Nov 29 16:40:45 <dury> hang on
Nov 29 16:40:58 <dury> let me check it out
Nov 29 16:42:24 <dury> what about use that 16GB card without expanded it, fred_tv
Nov 29 16:42:39 <fred_tv> it should work....
Nov 29 16:43:51 <fred_tv> anyway, to restore your previous system , you have to modify again /boot/uEnv.txt to add the "#" at the beginning of last line
Nov 29 16:44:11 <fred_tv> do you have a linux machine to mount the sdcard into ?
Nov 29 16:44:22 <dury> and after flashed it expanded it
Nov 29 16:44:35 <dury> yep I got that
Nov 29 16:44:54 <fred_tv> you can't expand as the inner eMMC is only 4Gb capable
Nov 29 16:45:19 <fred_tv> but you can use sdcard as mass memory....
Nov 29 16:45:26 <dury> no I mean the sdcard only to have more space
Nov 29 16:46:08 <dury> mine is 2GB eMMC
Nov 29 16:46:23 <dury> rev. A5C
Nov 29 16:47:10 <fred_tv> so that's the problem , the lxqt image (or LXDE) is 4Gb wide , it cannot fit the eMMC
Nov 29 16:47:28 <fred_tv> that's why it hangs flashing
Nov 29 16:47:32 <fred_tv> (i suppose)
Nov 29 16:48:49 <dury> sofour leds flashing at the same time right now
Nov 29 16:49:44 <fred_tv> yes... symptom of something wrong (not enough space on eMMC)
Nov 29 16:49:58 <fred_tv> you can flash only a 2Gb image into
Nov 29 16:50:42 <fred_tv> I don't think a desktop environment exists on a 2Gb image
Nov 29 16:52:28 <dury> so can't boot jessie on my 2GB eMMC having 16GB sdcard on it there must be a way though
Nov 29 16:54:16 <fred_tv> only a jessie with no desktop environment (2gb sd)
Nov 29 16:54:36 <dury> zmatt, says ones that it can mount X environtment on sdcard /home
Nov 29 16:54:56 <dury> something like that not sure
Nov 29 16:54:59 <fred_tv> probably you can install LXQT or LXDE later using sdcard as user space
Nov 29 16:55:09 <fred_tv> exactly
Nov 29 16:55:20 <fred_tv> don't ask me how ...... :-))
Nov 29 16:56:46 <dury> so first flash jessie with  X
Nov 29 16:59:32 <dury> fred_tv, what you suggest me downgrade to wheezy for rev. A5C?
Nov 29 17:00:07 <fred_tv> graphic desktop ??
Nov 29 17:00:17 <dury> yeah
Nov 29 17:01:17 <fred_tv> if you're able to find some "old" lxde image that fits into your 2gb eMMC ....yes
Nov 29 17:01:18 <dury> or only just jessie without X?
Nov 29 17:02:12 <dury> so, then wheezy though!!!
Nov 29 17:07:03 <fred_tv> I would go for https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/2016-11-10/elinux/debian-8.6-console-armhf-2016-11-10.tar.xz
Nov 29 17:07:20 <fred_tv> it is a 2gb console
Nov 29 17:07:28 <fred_tv> no graphic
Nov 29 17:09:06 <fred_tv> but you can install lxde or lxqt later using sdcard as user space
Nov 29 17:09:20 <fred_tv> I've never tried anyway
Nov 29 17:09:42 <fred_tv> or.....buy the latest beaglebone black....
Nov 29 17:11:36 <dury> fred_tv, someone might know how to install lxqt using sdcard as user space
Nov 29 17:11:46 <fred_tv> surely
Nov 29 17:15:26 <dury> fred_tv, what about https://debian.beagleboard.org/images/BBB-eMMC-flasher-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz
Nov 29 17:15:56 <fred_tv> there are a lot
Nov 29 17:16:22 <dury> did typed wrongly
Nov 29 17:16:26 <fred_tv> that is a 7.5
Nov 29 17:17:01 <dury> does it has GUI that?
Nov 29 17:17:15 <fred_tv> i think not
Nov 29 17:17:32 <dury> right
Nov 29 17:18:17 <dury> jeeesuuusss
Nov 29 17:25:09 <dury> have to go
Nov 29 17:25:25 <fred_tv> mee too
Nov 29 17:26:38 <dury> fred_tv, would know have to to do X on sdcard for tomorrow or ask around, right be back tomorrow
Nov 29 17:27:40 <fred_tv> ok , now you're able to burn your sdcard and try do flash into eMMC removing the last line "#" on /boot/uEnv.txt
Nov 29 17:27:55 <fred_tv> now you can do whatever you want
Nov 29 17:29:02 <dury> but has to fit the capacity though as you said, right?
Nov 29 17:30:20 <zmatt> there's no reason to use wheezy, you should be able to fit a gui in 2GB just fine
Nov 29 17:30:32 <zmatt> just need to be a bit more selective
Nov 29 17:31:23 <fred_tv> it's an experienced guy stuff.... :-)))
Nov 29 17:31:29 <zmatt> I don't know why rcn-ee stopped making 2GB images, they were made for quite a while
Nov 29 17:31:32 <fred_tv> we are not !
Nov 29 17:32:27 <fred_tv> zmatt, half-solved LCD7 issue ...
Nov 29 17:32:28 <dury> zmatt, geeess which images of 2GB has gui on wheezy I don't mine to use it
Nov 29 17:32:30 <zmatt> but alternative you can of course also just run from SD card instead of eMMC
Nov 29 17:33:03 <dury> but goes so slow
Nov 29 17:33:31 <zmatt> get a better card?
Nov 29 17:34:07 <dury> have to learn the terminal need to get used on terminal I guess
Nov 29 17:34:35 <dury> which card do you suggest then, zmatt
Nov 29 17:34:44 <zmatt> cards have a speed rating
Nov 29 17:35:06 <dury> right, didn't know that
Nov 29 17:35:15 <zmatt> probably you can also find benchmarks around
Nov 29 17:35:38 <dury> which is the highest raten
Nov 29 17:35:38 <zmatt> there's no point in really ultra-fast cards though, the interface doesn't run at very high speeds on the bbb
Nov 29 17:36:41 <zmatt> but neither does eMMC.  and while in theory eMMC could be twice as fast as SD, in practice I've noticed the eMMC used (especially the older micron ones) aren't particularly fast either
Nov 29 17:38:09 <zmatt> the max theoretical speed for SD supported by the bbb is 24 MB/s
Nov 29 17:38:57 <dury> My Rev. A5C 2gb eMMC
Nov 29 17:39:25 <dury> what should I do or create with it geeessss
Nov 29 17:39:54 <zmatt> whatever you want, it's enough space for most applications
Nov 29 17:40:09 <dury> I want to make the most of it
Nov 29 17:40:32 <zmatt> it's completely insane that software has become so bloated that there's a need for 4GB
Nov 29 17:40:55 <dury> I agree with that
Nov 29 17:41:10 <dury> images for 2GB, please
Nov 29 17:41:14 <MathOnNapkins> I think that's just the plethora of packages included in Linux, of which you probably only use 10% of
Nov 29 17:41:21 <MathOnNapkins> Plus all the drivers for stuff you don't use
Nov 29 17:42:27 <zmatt> the 2GB eMMC (MTFC2GMVEA-0M WT) datasheet btw claims 30 MB/s sequential read and 6.6 MB/s sequential write
Nov 29 17:42:35 <dury> enough for today guys
Nov 29 17:47:25 <Ragnorok> Even the stripped down console image I'm using takes up 835MB.  Pretty crazy.
Nov 29 17:47:43 <zmatt> https://rcn-ee.online/rootfs/bb.org/testing/2016-09-18/lxqt-2gb/   looks like that was the last 2gb lxqt image
Nov 29 17:47:57 <Ragnorok> dury b gone
Nov 29 17:48:01 <zmatt> I know
Nov 29 17:48:13 <zmatt> nevertheless, there it is :P
Nov 29 17:48:25 <Ragnorok> Roit toe.  I didn't just before I typed it.  (shrug)
Nov 29 17:48:35 <Ragnorok> until just*
Nov 29 17:48:45 <zmatt> and a stripped-down console image should not be that large... how are you measuring that size?
Nov 29 17:49:06 <Ragnorok> df blocks used.  Prolly not the most accurate.
Nov 29 17:49:23 <Ragnorok> And it's prolly not as "stripped down" as it could be.
Nov 29 17:55:01 <KotH> going <100MB is quite easy
Nov 29 17:55:19 <KotH> with a bit of care, you can get to <20MB or even <10MB
Nov 29 17:57:58 <Ragnorok> I'm sure I can pare this down without significant effort, but we don't need the space, so it's not been done.
Nov 29 19:17:06 <Penguin_> Hi, i have a 5.2V/1A switching adapter. Is it safe to use with BBB?
Nov 29 19:17:29 <Penguin_> picture: https://imgur.com/a/Slsrk
Nov 29 19:35:13 <Naveen_> I would like to measure current and voltage of CPU, GPU and Memory individually. I have access to national instruments measuring modules. I am expecting to put my probes at the output of the regulator which supplies power to CPU, GPU and Memory. Can you recommend any board with available schematics, decent enough processor to run benchmarks and easy enough to do power measurements.
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