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Oct 14 03:23:57 <GenTooMan> set_: so you need to do what find altitude check the dog for breathing? A barometer has many applications. I use a pressure transducer to find out if something blew out for example. Ambient pressure can ascertain a number of things.
Oct 14 03:26:50 <set_> Okay...if this idea of away or close to the sea is real, which it must be, I think general area of a dog could be found via Pa.
Oct 14 03:27:08 <set_> Then...GPS could kick in.
Oct 14 03:28:22 <set_> for instance: Dog is -12.234 from the sea > GPS initialize > Google Stuff
Oct 14 03:29:19 <set_> I do not know about ambient anything.
Oct 14 03:33:16 <set_> Those people have an API, i.e. the Bosch_Sensortec people.
Oct 14 03:40:31 <set_> Excuse me, may I please speak to my manager?
Oct 14 03:40:49 <GenTooMan> set_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altimeter
Oct 14 03:40:51 <set_> Just kidding. Hey, do you have the BMP180_API?
Oct 14 03:40:56 <set_> Okay.
Oct 14 03:41:17 <GenTooMan> body told me to go to sleep I've been up since 5 and it's now midnight almost
Oct 14 03:41:28 <set_> I searched those peoples' sites but notta.
Oct 14 03:41:35 <set_> Okay GenTooMan: See you later.
Oct 14 03:42:19 <GenTooMan> wikipedia will give you an idea how how to convert pressure to altitude however you need to know a sample pressure because weather can change drastically the barometric pressure. Read the article.
Oct 14 03:44:33 <set_> Thank you, sir. See you again.
Oct 14 03:56:38 <set_> That is cool. I can now read about different APIs from this sensor and promote dog safety with the BBB.
Oct 14 03:57:09 <set_> Please remember: With great power comes great responsibility.
Oct 14 04:01:47 <set_> ...
Oct 14 06:15:58 <set_> zarzar1: https://kernelnewbies.org/
Oct 14 06:16:01 <set_> Enjoy!
Oct 14 07:06:07 <mrigendra> hi all
Oct 14 07:06:19 <mrigendra> I have a question regarding booting bbb
Oct 14 07:07:14 <mrigendra> we can boot from SD card
Oct 14 07:07:26 <mrigendra> formatting SD card into two partitions boot, rootfs
Oct 14 07:07:59 <mrigendra> another way I see is by flashing images from prebuilt images
Oct 14 07:08:16 <mrigendra> when I see use prebuilt images, I don't see rootfs
Oct 14 07:08:20 <mrigendra> only boot.
Oct 14 07:08:52 <mrigendra> sorry I see only rootfs, and inside rootfs, a folder boot
Oct 14 07:09:31 <mrigendra> can any one explain why there is a difference. How can we prepare same sd card for both booting types.
Oct 14 07:10:00 <Kitlith> I think it really just depends on the style the people preparing it are going for.
Oct 14 07:10:29 <Kitlith> for instance, I just setup arch linux, manually, with a single rootfs + boot folder.
Oct 14 07:11:09 <mrigendra> how can we do it.
Oct 14 07:11:34 <mrigendra> I just downlaoded a kernel i.e 4.4 and ran ./build.sh script that do all.
Oct 14 07:11:48 <mrigendra> I didn't see vmlinuz, but vmlinux
Oct 14 07:12:07 <mrigendra> is there a good tutorial for such.
Oct 14 07:12:12 <Kitlith> same sd card for both booting types... are you talking about some sort of dualboot?
Oct 14 07:12:20 <Kitlith> what are you trying to accomplish?
Oct 14 07:12:51 <mrigendra> I had a 3.8 kernel that boots just fine, then I took a 4.4 kernel and with same uenv.txt I tried to boot
Oct 14 07:13:04 <mrigendra> it stopped at 'Starting Kernel...'
Oct 14 07:13:24 <mrigendra> I wanted to interface a sensor in 4.4 because 4.4 had all the drivers already. but  not 3.8
Oct 14 07:13:45 <mrigendra> but 4.4 didn't boot up and I don't know why.
Oct 14 07:13:49 <Kitlith> could try updating to a newer version of debian, all of the latest images had at least 4.4
Oct 14 07:14:06 <mrigendra> i have latest debian image that boots fine.
Oct 14 07:14:22 <Kitlith> and it's running a 3.8 kernel?
Oct 14 07:14:31 <mrigendra> no its on 4.4 or 4.9.
Oct 14 07:14:51 <Kitlith> okay, then what's the issuw with 3.8?
Oct 14 07:14:53 <mrigendra> i wanted to enable one driver actually and for that I needed to compile my own 4.4 kernel
Oct 14 07:15:02 <mrigendra> that driver was not there in 3.8
Oct 14 07:15:35 <Kitlith> are you sure that the drive you wanted to enable was not available as a module?
Oct 14 07:15:39 <Kitlith> *driver
Oct 14 07:16:25 <mrigendra> I remember trying it to build as a module but some problem came up.
Oct 14 07:16:35 <mrigendra> so i tried another kernel to check.
Oct 14 07:16:56 <mrigendra> the thing is  Is it that complicated to prepare boot images
Oct 14 07:17:34 <mrigendra> If for some other reason I want to try a thing in 3.8 and 4.4, why it should be hard to switch kernels.
Oct 14 07:18:40 <mrigendra> because some people have idea that 3.8 is ancient, then they would suggest to check it on 4.4
Oct 14 07:21:25 <mrigendra> Do you get my difficulty?
Oct 14 07:29:21 <mrigendra> ?
Oct 14 07:29:41 <Kitlith> I can't help you right now, sorry.
Oct 14 07:29:55 <Kitlith> someone else may be able to, though
Oct 14 07:30:02 <Kitlith> stick around, lurk.
Oct 14 07:30:26 <mrigendra> thanks. I have posted my question in the forum too.
Oct 14 09:17:01 <set_> zarzar1: Are you here?
Oct 14 09:17:08 <set_> I found some resources for you.
Oct 14 09:37:41 <set_> Hey, I was going to do things with Linux for fun. What "beefy" arm system should I get to cross-compile and compile Linux Distros?
Oct 14 11:47:57 <set_> Hello...I am typing cat $SLOTS and sudo cat $PINS and receiving no output. Should I be concerned?
Oct 14 18:25:24 <set_> Hello...I found some ideas on ARM computers but I am not sure if "Beefy" is an adequate description. Send rations!
Oct 14 18:25:28 <set_> ...
Oct 14 18:25:54 <set_> I found these at: https://www.embeddedarm.com/products/TS-7553-V2.
Oct 14 18:26:31 <set_> Is this board powerful enough to compile kernel(s) stuff?
Oct 14 18:28:33 <set_> ...
Oct 14 18:29:06 <set_> Hey, I know we are all BBB people in here but I would like to find out about what "Beefy" means in relation to ARM processors.
Oct 14 18:31:17 <set_> I found this idea on BBB.io but the page changed since then.
Oct 14 20:22:52 <set_> Beefy! I need to find one to cross compile for fun!
Oct 14 20:22:59 <set_> ...
Oct 14 20:23:02 <set_> Send rations!
Oct 14 23:12:13 <set_> Since EmDebian is no longer supported, what have we been using?
Oct 14 23:16:53 <set_> <<<< outdated!
Oct 14 23:43:25 <ayjay_t> wut
Oct 14 23:44:49 <ayjay_t> no don't compile with that board, I think about 6gb/4core/3GHz is a good goal for a compiling box
Oct 14 23:46:42 <ayjay_t> when i need a new machine thats literally what i buy, i find a $200 used computer with at least those three specs and it'll run all my compiling/cad
Oct 14 23:46:54 <ayjay_t> *As long as i'm running linux* of course
Oct 14 23:50:29 <set_> Oh.
Oct 14 23:50:48 <set_> I just wanted to learn.
Oct 14 23:50:56 <set_> You know...just in case.
Oct 14 23:53:00 <ayjay_t> haha set_ i haven't got a clue what you want to do, but whatever it is, good luck
Oct 14 23:53:29 <set_> Thank you...I am just cross-compiling with some software and the BBB.
Oct 14 23:53:47 <ayjay_t> how new are you to all this?
Oct 14 23:54:10 <set_> Cross-compiling with Eclipse...today.
Oct 14 23:54:44 <set_> I reviewed the info. but never took time out to attempt it.
Oct 14 23:55:26 <ayjay_t> i meant to embedded systems
Oct 14 23:55:56 <set_> Oh...whatever really. I am just testing and I keep testing until a good idea gets in my head.
Oct 14 23:56:10 <ayjay_t> no i mean, how long have you been working with embedded systems?
Oct 14 23:56:19 <set_> My idea is to learn and then make ideas into reality.
Oct 14 23:56:24 <set_> Oh...a couple of years.
Oct 14 23:56:27 <ayjay_t> nice
Oct 14 23:56:33 <ayjay_t> or sorry
Oct 14 23:56:35 <ayjay_t> hahahaha
Oct 14 23:56:56 <set_> Yea...I have a couple of older books. They are garbage but helpful with theory.
Oct 14 23:57:08 <ayjay_t> it's a big field
Oct 14 23:57:10 <set_> Nothing is updated b/c of the idea of hard copy.
Oct 14 23:57:16 <set_> I know...I am already finding out.
Oct 14 23:57:42 <ayjay_t> what are you trying to make? or are you just trying to "get it working"?
Oct 14 23:57:50 <ayjay_t> and what OS are you running on your development machine?
Oct 14 23:58:10 <ayjay_t> I'm curious because you said you use Eclipse
Oct 14 23:58:15 <set_> oh...I am using VMware with Debian Stretch.
Oct 14 23:58:48 <set_> I could not get Eclipse Oxygen to work on my Debian just yet.
Oct 14 23:59:13 <set_> w/ the BBB, I use what they provide. Debain!
Oct 14 23:59:26 <ayjay_t> yup debian is good
Oct 14 23:59:41 <set_> They have a sorts of software and tools.
Oct 15 00:00:32 <ayjay_t> i personally like command line tools, so i if was running debian w/o eclipse i would `sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf`
Oct 15 00:00:46 <set_> I tried. It failed.
Oct 15 00:01:00 <ayjay_t> installing, compile, or run time?
Oct 15 00:01:41 <set_> Installing. Well, I tried gcc-4.7-arm-linux-gnueabihf
Oct 15 00:01:52 <set_> 4.7 must be outdated.
Oct 15 00:02:11 <ayjay_t> hmm well, the one i use is armv7a-hardfloat-linux
Oct 15 00:02:23 <set_> Oh...where did you find that one?
Oct 15 00:02:29 <set_> TI?
Oct 15 00:02:34 <ayjay_t> no its a linaro product as well
Oct 15 00:02:38 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:02:48 <set_> I found their site earlier today. They have all sorts of types.
Oct 15 00:02:51 <ayjay_t> so i use gentoo and my portage has a repo for it
Oct 15 00:02:56 <ayjay_t> but i've installed it (a year or two ago) on debian
Oct 15 00:03:00 <ayjay_t> i can't remember if i needed a ppa
Oct 15 00:03:07 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:03:13 <ayjay_t> and i also can't remember if it needed -march -mtune type gcc compiler flags, tbh
Oct 15 00:03:19 <ayjay_t> let me look at my old make files
Oct 15 00:03:25 <set_> Cool!
Oct 15 00:04:40 <ayjay_t> no if you manage to get your hands on the armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabihf-* toolchain, it works pretty out of the box
Oct 15 00:04:45 <ayjay_t> no compiler flags
Oct 15 00:05:37 <ayjay_t> but i'm more concerned that you said it failed installing
Oct 15 00:05:42 <set_> Okay. Hey. I am following along in a book. Molloy's book. Here: http://exploringbeaglebone.com/chapter7/#prettyPhoto.
Oct 15 00:05:53 <ayjay_t> i've used a bit of it
Oct 15 00:06:02 <set_> There is an issue with his instructions because of Wheezy.
Oct 15 00:06:18 <ayjay_t> have you seen this? https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone
Oct 15 00:06:22 <set_> Some type of items not being conserved well enough.
Oct 15 00:06:25 <set_> I will look at it.
Oct 15 00:06:27 <set_> Please hold.
Oct 15 00:06:38 <ayjay_t> i think you should use that like a bible
Oct 15 00:06:57 <ayjay_t> it was updated this month by rcn who is arguable the best source for info on these issues
Oct 15 00:07:15 <set_> I just went there and it was a blank, white screen.
Oct 15 00:07:26 <set_> I will try again.
Oct 15 00:07:41 <ayjay_t> haha a blank white screen? try going to it on your phone maybe
Oct 15 00:07:45 <ayjay_t> or try a different browser
Oct 15 00:07:53 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 00:08:45 <set_> Yea...I remember that page.
Oct 15 00:09:22 <ayjay_t> i believe 100% in that page, and i would bet its very accurate and recently tested
Oct 15 00:09:36 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 00:09:42 <set_> I will keep it up.
Oct 15 00:10:16 <ayjay_t> on top of that, if you go to the #...CrossCompiler:GCC section
Oct 15 00:10:27 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:10:33 <ayjay_t> You'll see 4 lines that you need to copy paste in order to test your compiler
Oct 15 00:11:10 <ayjay_t> good luck with that
Oct 15 00:11:12 <set_> I see it. Thank you.
Oct 15 00:11:53 <set_> Changing all that info. in this book is going to get complicated, i.e. plus the notes. Yikes!
Oct 15 00:12:46 <ayjay_t> mmm
Oct 15 00:13:08 <ayjay_t> hows your familiarity with linux?
Oct 15 00:13:15 <set_> I cannot thank you enough. I appreciate it.
Oct 15 00:15:52 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:16:06 <set_> It is okay. I am not a superPro but I know my way around at times.
Oct 15 00:22:49 <set_> I am still learning about how to manage around in git.
Oct 15 00:26:24 <set_> git clone and pushing and commit
Oct 15 00:26:33 <set_> These all run together for me right now.
Oct 15 00:29:44 <ayjay_t> took me about 5 years to feel like an amateur
Oct 15 00:29:56 <ayjay_t> _shrug_
Oct 15 00:29:58 <ayjay_t> *shrug*
Oct 15 00:30:02 <set_> ayjay_t: If I am saving a repo in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, should I add the .tar extension?
Oct 15 00:30:14 <ayjay_t> wait no
Oct 15 00:30:17 <set_> For instance...
Oct 15 00:30:18 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 00:30:32 <ayjay_t> which link do you want to save? the one from the rcn page i linked you?
Oct 15 00:30:42 <set_> No, from git.
Oct 15 00:30:49 <set_> From linaro toolchain.
Oct 15 00:31:07 <ayjay_t> oh wait wut, wut git repo?
Oct 15 00:31:34 <set_> Linaro hosts a git repo with a couple of .tar files. I figured these were the files I needed.
Oct 15 00:31:51 <ayjay_t> thats fine could you paste the link?
Oct 15 00:31:57 <set_> Sure.
Oct 15 00:32:00 <set_> Please hold.
Oct 15 00:32:29 <ayjay_t> but /etc/apt/sources.list provides debian's apt package manager with a broad set of packages that are available for download, i'm not too sure on the details
Oct 15 00:32:40 <set_> https://git.linaro.org/kernel/linux-linaro-stable.git/
Oct 15 00:32:55 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:32:55 <ayjay_t> tar files are just zip files, really, or "tarballs", then same with .tar.bz .tar.gz or anything else (bz and gz specifying the type of compression)
Oct 15 00:33:13 <set_> yea. I get that much for now.
Oct 15 00:33:14 <ayjay_t> so i mean, i think its *better* to use apt-get because then it installed _cleanly_ and can be uninstalled _cleanly_
Oct 15 00:33:26 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:33:27 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 00:33:31 <ayjay_t> BUT if you're using a tar file, you're probably not using the package manager, you're just setting up the files manually
Oct 15 00:34:05 <set_> I am cross-compiling on a VMware, Debian machine to test it out on the BBB via Eclipse.
Oct 15 00:34:26 <set_> yea. I want to set up the files manually.
Oct 15 00:35:00 <ayjay_t> yeah you're looking at a kernel
Oct 15 00:35:04 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:35:06 <set_> Dang it.
Oct 15 00:35:10 <ayjay_t> you didn't mean to?
Oct 15 00:35:25 <set_> No. I thought I found a toolchain to use for cross-compiling.
Oct 15 00:35:42 <ayjay_t> jeez i'm not sure why you're not using the 4 commands on the page i gave you
Oct 15 00:35:49 <set_> I must have clicked the wrong link. Dang it. Who knows?
Oct 15 00:35:52 <set_> Okay. i will try it.
Oct 15 00:36:11 <ayjay_t> yeah i mean, it's four commands, it doesn't install things all over your system
Oct 15 00:36:24 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 00:36:41 <ayjay_t> if you want to compile gcc from source, the arch-wiki has a decent explanation about how to build a cross compiler from source
Oct 15 00:36:53 <ayjay_t> i wouldn't
Oct 15 00:37:06 <ayjay_t> if you want the best/most recent kernel, use this: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel
Oct 15 00:38:15 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 00:38:38 <set_> What is the arch-Wiki?
Oct 15 00:38:47 <ayjay_t> the docs for the arch linux distro
Oct 15 00:38:53 <ayjay_t> its a site you can find off google
Oct 15 00:39:55 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:39:56 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 00:41:34 <set_> https://releases.linaro.org/components/toolchain/binaries/latest/ is what I found later.
Oct 15 00:42:08 <set_> you were right earlier.
Oct 15 00:42:37 <set_> it is arm-linux-gnueabihf
Oct 15 00:42:53 <set_> I can use this one.
Oct 15 00:43:29 <ayjay_t> you'll be running your first program in 10 minutes i'm sure
Oct 15 00:43:44 <set_> Hahah.
Oct 15 00:43:47 <ayjay_t> what are you using the connect to the beaglebone black? what kind of wire?
Oct 15 00:44:01 <set_> I already failed. I got only go up from here, hopefully.
Oct 15 00:44:03 <set_> USB.
Oct 15 00:44:41 <ayjay_t> ethernet over USB?
Oct 15 00:45:01 <set_> No...I have Ethernet but it is connected to the desktop by way of usb.
Oct 15 00:45:10 <ayjay_t> have you logged into the beagle bone black yet?
Oct 15 00:45:21 <set_> yea.
Oct 15 00:45:28 <ayjay_t> but how?
Oct 15 00:45:34 <set_> ssh
Oct 15 00:45:36 <ayjay_t> like with an ip address, 192.168.7.2? or through a serial port?
Oct 15 00:45:50 <set_> Yea. via cmd terminal XFCE!
Oct 15 00:46:07 <ayjay_t> okay so my opinion is that ethernet over usb (thats what you're using) is unreliable
Oct 15 00:46:24 <ayjay_t> and that just regular ethernet is second best, and that USB-->Serial (FTDI) and the 5 pins sticking up on the BBB is #1
Oct 15 00:46:31 <ayjay_t> but i've used it a bunch it works basically
Oct 15 00:46:39 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 00:46:49 <ayjay_t> you can go to gitlab.com/tplot/misc and go to files and you'll see a script i wrote called "ish"
Oct 15 00:47:05 <ayjay_t> "ish" is basically a wrapper for "ssh" which disables some of the annoying security functions of "ish" that will ultimately make things harder
Oct 15 00:47:20 <ayjay_t> "insecure shell"
Oct 15 00:47:24 <set_> Oh.
Oct 15 00:47:32 <set_> No thank you, I appreciate it though.
Oct 15 00:49:03 <ayjay_t> okay well, when you get to that point where you're having hostkey errors, go take a look at ish
Oct 15 00:49:17 <set_> Okay.
Oct 15 01:06:55 <set_> I found my repos! Yea boy!
Oct 15 01:07:03 <set_> BBB, here I come!
Oct 15 01:10:29 <set_> Sid!
Oct 15 01:19:25 <b_kludged> hey'yall      ....   watch this
Oct 15 01:48:52 <set_> Giggity, giggity...I am doin' it!
Oct 15 02:23:51 <set_> Well, I made it to multiarch support on the Cross-Compilation.
Oct 15 02:47:00 <eupeptic> Hi! I'm trying to boot the "official" Debian 8.4 image from debian.beagleboard.org on a Rev C3 Beagleboard.  It gets to the point of loading the RAM disk and hangs.  Details at https://pastebin.com/MkHx89Ki .
Oct 15 02:47:13 <eupeptic> Is 8.4 too new?  Or is it OK and I am doing something else wrong?  Thanks!
Oct 15 02:58:34 <set_> It could be the SD Card has worn in time.
Oct 15 02:59:05 <set_> Just like life dies, SD Cards fail to work.
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