**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 21 03:00:02 2017 Oct 21 03:20:03 hello anyone Oct 21 03:20:35 can someone help for win10 x64 drivers? Oct 21 03:21:00 usb device not recognized Oct 21 04:12:31 Look at beagleboard.org and go to https://beagleboard.org/getting-started. Oct 21 06:03:52 bg: Hey! Oct 21 06:04:29 yow Oct 21 06:04:33 <<<< on break Oct 21 06:04:36 Hahahaah! Oct 21 06:04:50 are you not done yet? Oct 21 06:05:05 No way...I will never be done (for now). Oct 21 06:05:22 I got some help earlier. Oct 21 06:05:42 I had my taco high and the burrito low. My software was all jacked up. Oct 21 06:05:44 same here, working on fbtft as frame buffer for ssd2119 Oct 21 06:05:51 Oh. Oct 21 06:06:14 so what's now? Oct 21 06:06:29 Oh...I am working on that funky mower thing still. Oct 21 06:06:51 The software is coming along but very slowly. Oct 21 06:07:21 I am taking my steps small and in increments. Oct 21 06:07:44 ... Oct 21 06:07:47 some pastebin? Oct 21 06:08:22 Oh...not now. I am just saying hello and good bye. I saw you signed in. Aw, what the hell. Oct 21 06:08:24 Please hold. Oct 21 06:09:08 i see Oct 21 06:09:36 https://pastebin.com/B0Z0gtAX is some software for motor function w/ the Motor Bridge Cape from Seeed Studio. Oct 21 06:09:58 I have this platform and the BBB is the brains. Oct 21 06:12:27 ok, so you;re manually controlling your mower using that cape. what's with the time.sleep(0)? Oct 21 06:13:02 Nothing really. Just adding it in. Adafruit_BBIO has a time.sleep function w/ their software. Oct 21 06:13:58 I thought...if I make this thing go, I can then use it as a preprogrammed mower to mow the yard. Oct 21 06:14:09 Then, I could just use the grass trimmer later. Oct 21 06:14:15 <<< lazy Oct 21 06:14:28 its amazing though Oct 21 06:15:01 So basically, I need the software to make two motors go forward and then make a u-turn and head back to where it came from. Oct 21 06:15:10 and etc... Oct 21 06:15:22 Row by row, the mower should do it and I should not. Oct 21 06:16:18 I might have to just turn an older mower into a controlled device but for now, this is fun. Oct 21 06:17:04 <<<<< on break for the day Oct 21 06:17:07 yeah it'll be good Oct 21 06:17:09 Later for now, bg. Oct 21 06:17:17 okey2 Oct 21 18:00:20 how many Ampere sucks BBB when it is to the maximum request of cpu? Oct 21 18:11:11 Per pin? Oct 21 18:11:32 Forget it. I give up. How many? Oct 21 18:13:15 Damn it. I never get to work w/ people here. Oct 21 18:34:04 GenTooMan: Hello! Oct 21 18:34:47 Greets Oct 21 18:35:09 Hey man, what are reading? Oct 21 18:35:32 Sorry...what are you reading? Oct 21 18:36:08 I am being nosey. I know. Oct 21 18:36:36 or...I know-c. Oct 21 18:36:39 Ha! Oct 21 18:37:32 ... Oct 21 18:38:00 That is my one joke for today. I was asking about your current reading/text to see what people read these days. Oct 21 18:38:26 I found a 2012 book on processors and the XBee. I am excited. Oct 21 18:38:38 I finally get to incorporate these damn XBees w/ the BBB. Oct 21 18:43:23 Sadly nothing technical at the moment, prior I was reading on low noise LDO's and then reading on TI's low cost DLP board for the BBB http://www.ti.com/tool/DLPDLCR2000EVM#2 Oct 21 18:44:18 I was reading about that earlier today. That thing projects, right? Oct 21 18:45:01 You must have lots of power available to use IEEE802.15.4 devices. Yes but low brightness at 20lumens. Like the prior generation it has issues with high power to the LEDs. The one I have is only 4lumens I think. Oct 21 18:46:19 LED drivers are tricky things, you have to keep the temperature of the LED in a certain range or get strange color and inefficiency in the illumination system. Oct 21 18:47:00 Aw. Those old TVs are probably the best case for that support. Oct 21 18:47:17 I remember those tri-color TVs, e.g. "Big Screen." Oct 21 18:48:11 heh sharp introduced 4 color displays and 4K resolution etc. The human eye can only see so much. So at a certain point it becomes "lies damn lies and statistics." Oct 21 18:48:51 I know. I saw a TV at the store. It was moving too fast for my eyes to catch up. Oct 21 18:49:06 ... Oct 21 18:49:36 The only people who can see that are 1:10 it's gone stupid. Reality is they are being well silly. Like most humans actually but I digress. Oct 21 18:49:39 How are you doing w/ the power for your LEDs? Oct 21 18:50:02 I mean, are you over-powering them somehow or not getting software to understand when and what? Oct 21 18:50:22 Well they suggest heat sinking if driving them to 30 lumen output. Oct 21 18:51:09 Oh. So, there needs to be a limit on heat w/ some high-level lumen. Oct 21 18:51:24 That is interesting. I never really read about this type of stuff. Oct 21 18:51:31 An LED behaves somewhat like a resistor more current more voltage drop and you can see the luminous efficiency from the LED data shets. Oct 21 18:51:41 Oh. Oct 21 18:51:43 Okay. Oct 21 18:52:10 So, when it spikes high w/ heat, the colors start to bleed. Oct 21 18:52:50 Too much bouncing in such a small space causes problems. Oct 21 18:54:29 Yeah you will blur the lines because the LED's are sequenced for the pixel pattern on the DLP none of them are on at the same time. Here are so VERY high power LEDs (IE 25-120W) http://www.luminus.com/products/color.html Oct 21 18:55:05 You see those on large projection systems. Oct 21 18:55:41 Like IMAX? Oct 21 18:56:48 or drive-in movies? Oct 21 18:56:54 Small theater IE 20' Oct 21 18:56:59 Oh. Oct 21 18:57:24 Still, it is amazing that LEDs drive such high def. w/ just RGB. Oct 21 18:57:30 Mostly you see them used at conventions. The IMAX and drive ins are at KW levels. No LEDs at the intensity yet. Oct 21 18:57:42 Oh. Oct 21 18:58:20 I have little experience w/ LEDs. I know they last until they burn out. I will most likely read more in time. Oct 21 18:58:34 Also there are issues with the project system itself, the cooling etc. TI had a long diatribe on what was needed to do that. Very complex system but functional. Oct 21 18:59:16 Cooling is needed obviously but what did they derive? Oct 21 18:59:26 i.e. water or gelatin? Oct 21 18:59:41 Grease? Oct 21 19:00:18 I see how some silicon is used as grease to ease the heat transfer from components, e.g. processors. Oct 21 19:00:22 They used a water cooling system for the DLP projection components, and used 3 DLPs to get full luminous intensity. They also had to split the light into 3 primary colors. Oct 21 19:01:14 ...So damn hot. So, the heat is that intense. They actually needed water to cool it. That if fun. Oct 21 19:01:19 They used a standard 5KW light source so they had to do that. Then the recombined all the colors and made a full digital theater projector. Oct 21 19:02:03 So now, there is no cure for high heat and bad ass graphics. Oct 21 19:02:54 It all must just burn at some point or hender the LEDs from start to finish. Oct 21 19:02:59 Well the only cure has been to reduce voltage and shrink geometries but that is getting to the theoretical limits so now they are changing how they make the components on the IC. Oct 21 19:04:05 As for the DLP they put an IR filter or mirror between the DLP and the light source. They also have to cool it. The light effieciency isn't 100% so it absorbs some of it. Oct 21 19:04:21 beagle board <-- require on topic wording. Oct 21 19:04:35 Why would they get things closer? I thought if components got too close, they would leak and cause issues, e.g. heat and/or numerous other things. Oct 21 19:04:36 Oh... Oct 21 19:04:38 Sorry. Oct 21 19:04:39 I got it. Oct 21 19:05:28 Yea. For $99.00, that does not sound like a bad gift for someone looking to delve into DLP. Oct 21 19:06:47 I would think about it for me but I have enough complications w/ normal processing so far. Oct 21 19:06:48 ... Oct 21 19:06:50 No joke. Oct 21 19:07:35 I got the Motor Bridge Cape, a Grove Cape, and some types of sensors. I am still trying to catch up to 2015. Oct 21 19:08:22 My books are outdated and older. I have not finished all of them yet. I am still plugging away, though. Oct 21 19:09:00 ... Oct 21 19:09:29 So, these XBees are drain worthy, heh? Too much power consumption... Oct 21 19:10:02 Well life gets interrupted as I always say. The pocket beagle is interesting. However the book industry is constantly looking for "the latest". Yeah they aren't exactly low power. For stuff I've done more than 1mw power is a lot. LOL Oct 21 19:11:22 I found some books. These books are dedicated to other target boards but I try to incorporate the BBB and other variations to suit the books. Oct 21 19:12:09 This XBee book is outdated but I am sure I can grab and go w/ specific pins for the BBB. SRM! Oct 21 19:15:02 Speaking of the BBB, that beaglebonecapes.com site is down or was earlier today. Oct 21 19:15:04 ... Oct 21 19:15:29 I would go through the JavaScript but lazy is my name. Oct 21 19:15:53 Well as much as people talk about wireless it's amazing how little people actually understand. RF is very tricky stuff yet people try using it for stupid things. I think the most hilarious I saw was someone putting a radio and it's antennae in a steel box. Oct 21 19:17:19 Well most of the JS likely uses really slow device IO drivers so your mileage will vary ( a lot). Oct 21 19:17:30 Ha. That is funny. I did read about how some radios can work indoors but line-of-sight is a major thing for radio. Oct 21 19:18:39 ...GenTooMan: No, the beaglebonecapes.com site is down. I do not even know if they have it available. I thought their site had JavaScript for the niceness and buttons. Oct 21 19:18:41 ... Oct 21 19:18:58 I was going to try and put a patch through. Oct 21 19:19:26 I do not even know if the site is available any longer, i.e. if their is one that is up and running. Oct 21 19:20:07 It all depends on frequency you are using. below 1Ghz walls are less of a hinderance. Above it begins exhibiting a more particle nature and walls and solid objects block it better. Also funny to say the type of material also affects it greatly highly polarized materials or highly conductive materials are even more impervious to RF. Oct 21 19:21:11 I was unaware of that aspect. So, things that take on electricity well, "conductive materials," get in the way. Oct 21 19:21:18 That is cool to know. Oct 21 19:21:33 It is like it creates noise. Oct 21 19:22:12 bzzzt! bzzzt! Like so, waves can be hindered by noise. It makes sense. Oct 21 19:22:43 No quite the opposite it resists the waves traveling through it. Oct 21 19:23:11 Highly polarized materials absorb the RF (carbon black does a good job) Oct 21 19:23:15 Right, oh. It makes the waves travel out of sync. Oct 21 19:24:22 IEEE802.15.4 if you want to play with that set you may want to look at the CC1310 and stuff. Lots of nice little dev kits for that. Oct 21 19:24:41 Like an electrical atom bounces to its left and right (around) to create the move to the next atom. Oct 21 19:25:26 Well more like capacitance the energy gets imparted into it. Sort of how a microwave cooks food, the RF energy is absorbed by what you are cooking. Oct 21 19:25:40 Oh. Oct 21 19:26:02 At lower power however it just gets absorbed. They are concerned about cell phones for a reason and the RF output. Oct 21 19:26:17 Hmm. Things of nature are so interesting. "It is not a tumor." Oct 21 19:26:59 I saw the headlines, time after time. People blaming electronics for their ill-fate. Oct 21 19:27:09 RF! Oct 21 19:27:52 For this RF expidition, I have two XBee modules, a BBB, and some AT Commands. Oct 21 19:28:26 I also have that XCTU software from digi. I will keep in mind the power consumption. It will be nice to find out exactly how long my radios last before the battery dies out in real time. Oct 21 19:33:58 Radio's have to do several things to function. First they have to be on and actively listening to receive communication second they have to use power to transmit as well. An expert at RF told me "how sensitive you radio needs to be depends on what you are doing. If you are in a noisy environment good sensitivity is a problem if it's quiet it's a boon". So you need to consider how you wish to use them and how many RF devices are Oct 21 19:33:58 barking in the same range. Oct 21 19:35:19 Think a crowded room and how much interference you have to deal with to hear what you are looking for. Actively listening for someone is tiring (IE consumes energy) waiting for a loud interrupt is easier. Etc. Oct 21 19:36:44 Yep. They have these specific radios that run on a specific freq. and that spec. freq. is what is heard by only the programmed radios, i.e. two for me. Oct 21 19:37:19 I just purchased another spec. type to get two of the same type. Oct 21 19:37:47 Digi is saying that these spec. types have extremely, low interference. Oct 21 19:39:27 https://www.mouser.com/new/Digi-International/digi-xbeepro900hpprog-embedded-solutions/. Oct 21 19:39:41 ... Oct 21 19:40:07 This damn BBB, mower is happening. I promise you. I will "eat my keyboard" before I quit. Oct 21 19:43:12 Up to 9 miles (14 km) w/ dipole antenna; Up to 28 miles (45 km) w/ high-gain antenna that's a bit far fetched my guess under ideal circumstances. It requires an external antennae which means that you have to be extremely careful about connectors and cabling. Be very careful what cabling and antennae you use. That greatly affects how well it will work. Oct 21 19:43:37 Okay. Oct 21 19:44:06 So my guess is you will get at least 200m maybe 500m for a mowing deck that's pretty good. Oct 21 19:44:31 It's obviously in the range of 20 to 30db that's 100mw to 1W RF power. Oct 21 19:45:00 Not exactly low power you might say LOL. Oct 21 19:47:10 I can waste power, I think. I know batteries become expensive in time. W/ all these rechargeable types, I am thinking of learning more on power. It seems like their should be a way to back up w/ solar, i.e. for at least a partial charge. Oct 21 19:48:25 Well you may want to consider how often the radio is powered (IE listen for broadcast go silent). You don't need the radio in continuous connection because it's unlikely you will be sending a huge stream of data. Oct 21 19:49:13 So batches of data for position and have it communicate when in trouble. My suggestion. You only need to send data every minute or so. Oct 21 19:49:40 Nope, just some data to open High and close Low in I/O lines. Oct 21 19:50:09 Is that really possible? I thought I would have to send in data to transmit the I/O lines every time they needed to be updated. Oct 21 19:50:53 I would go for autonomy of the device it uses less power. Unless you have a huge battery that is. Oct 21 19:52:03 That is it. I cannot decide. I was thinking autonomous was a route because I could program revolutions of my motors per time. Oct 21 19:52:04 ... Oct 21 19:52:12 I remember speaking to you about this idea. Oct 21 19:53:33 You need to look at control theory and robotics control for that. I suggest thinking like this, you give directives but it's not remote control IE go here and the device does it's best to go there and if something happens on the way it stops and alerts. My thinking anyhow. Oct 21 19:54:03 that's how drones are used. Oct 21 19:54:04 Yea. Oct 21 19:54:12 You are right. I remember how we ended now. Oct 21 19:54:53 The gadget that takes in levelness and reports uneven terrain would be a start. I think this is what you described to me. Oct 21 19:55:20 I forget what this specific device was called. Oct 21 19:56:14 Anyway...damn it. I can get stumped along the way and come up w/ solutions. There is always a way to mow the grass in an intelligent way. Oct 21 19:56:26 ... Oct 21 19:57:15 GenTooMan: I am using Python right now. This is for testing purposes. I know the "garbage collector" only can feed so fast in this language. Oct 21 19:57:44 If I need something w/ speed of processing, C++ is needed. Oct 21 19:58:18 W/ my cape, it is derived from such but C++ is not available from the distributor. Oct 21 20:00:07 ... Oct 21 20:00:31 IMU inertial measurement unit. Here is a cheap one (unlike ADI's $1300) but they have limitations. https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Bosch-Sensortec/BMI160/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt8xBNXJng%252bZGoPWahi2tnHnBsrnqft06YzFJLt5kVkVg%3d%3d Oct 21 20:01:14 set_ yes it is just read up on beagle developement. AND you don't need purely C++ you can combine python with numerous other libraries to get things you need done. Oct 21 20:01:33 Anyway...I have some leftover texts on such theory. I will read about it again. Oh and $1300.00, no way Jose. Oct 21 20:01:34 Okay. Oct 21 20:01:35 You can dev for the BBB in C++ in open source. Oct 21 20:02:24 The BMI160 has a mikro board for it like I think $15 which basically handles power and caps etc. You don't have to mount an LGA board and lay it out. Oct 21 20:02:38 Yea...I will check out this sensor. be right back. Oct 21 20:04:08 Ok it's $24 not cheap but better than doing your own board LOL Oct 21 20:04:28 https://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=KdTYp8tcPgkXIPYJo23mFA%3d%3d is a finished project. Oct 21 20:05:34 Can I test that chip w/ a breadboard or do I have to solder w/ a machine. Oct 21 20:06:21 It is from a reel. Oct 21 20:06:29 I cannot test that. Oct 21 20:07:03 Build my own? Probably not in this life. Oct 21 20:07:06 I would try this instead https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/MikroElektronika/MIKROE-2337/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvVdBlXEaMJhOHFRTboPxLgF6nsUj5IqZk%3d Oct 21 20:07:23 Hell, I started to build the Double H-Bridge and got too pissed off. Oct 21 20:08:37 I was close but the damn info. from my board in 3.8.x was a no-go. Oct 21 20:08:45 Error on software. I blamed the hardware. Oct 21 20:09:24 ...I can still try w/ the BBB but I need to break for that. I got too many projects that I never want to finish. Oct 21 20:09:38 "ongoing!" Oct 21 20:10:53 It was software on that 3.8.x kernel. No support and changes in a different direction made my hopes to conquer Double H-Bridges come to a halt. Oct 21 20:11:22 I have one of those capes. Oct 21 20:11:40 The Mikroe capes. Oct 21 20:12:01 I even have some of the add-on boards for that cape. Oct 21 20:12:51 I was severely unknowledgeable at the time of that cape purchase. W/ the added effects of the 3.8.x kernel, I gave into changing too. Oct 21 20:14:19 mikroe makes useful things for testing things out that's all I can say. So in any case I suggest you break down your over all project into sub projects and knock off parts as you get to them. Oct 21 20:14:37 Right, that is it. Oct 21 20:14:42 I will. Oct 21 20:15:21 If you get frustrated with one part you can work on another and resume the frustration later (LOL) Oct 21 20:15:30 Right...that is what I do! Oct 21 20:15:35 Argh! Oct 21 20:15:57 If A pissed me off too badly, B must be a walk in the park. Oct 21 20:15:58 heh? Oct 21 20:17:34 It's how you get exercise huh? Well anyhow when looking at the beagle IO note voltages and you likely will need level translators. I believe there are some PWM outputs (PRU?) if you keep records of where you get to etc. you can resume more quickly I've found. Oct 21 20:20:37 Oh. Oct 21 20:21:14 Yea...I might get that info. on 1A per pin sectional ideas for my configured end. Oct 21 20:22:04 I do not mess w/ the PRU stuff yet. I am lacking in that dept. Oct 21 20:22:41 The other day, this person helped me w/ some software. Oct 21 20:22:50 In this BBB chat. Oct 21 20:22:58 I offered to make something for this individual. Oct 21 20:23:08 I think I overstepped my boundaries. Oct 21 20:23:44 ... Oct 21 20:24:10 I had to leave it at that. Some people just like to pitch-in, I guess. Oct 21 20:26:37 Yep. I guess I can try my Mikroe click Cape again. Who knows? I may know more than when I first started. Oct 21 20:28:35 ...at first, I thought it would behave in a specific way. I then learned that I still have to act as though the Cape click boards have pathways. These pathways on the PCB are like jumper wires. That section never hit me until a couple of weeks ago. Oct 21 20:28:40 <<<<< slow mow! Oct 21 20:28:59 <<<< and lazy! Oct 21 20:29:54 Although obvious and normal, it never really clicked. no pun intended. Oct 21 20:41:46 Really no pun intended? LOL they have a driver. Since you have RF on your system I suggest only using the SPI interface. You should read a bit on control theory to understand what to do with the IMU. It should give you guidance to phsyical position at least. For example if you hit or bump into something you will know kind of thing. Oct 21 20:47:00 Okay. Oct 21 20:47:11 I will check that out. Control Theory. Oct 21 20:49:13 good place to start is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics Oct 21 20:49:50 don't worry your head won't explode, immediately. Oct 21 20:55:46 Yep...that math looks almost interesting. What attracts what and how? I might get into it. I will let you know probably later. Oct 21 20:56:12 I will be back later. I have a fix to itch. Sodas! Oct 21 21:13:29 Phew...I made it back in one piece. Oct 21 21:58:34 Hello...does anyone care about Disqus on the BeagleBoard.org site? Oct 21 21:59:08 I found a very small section in one of the commits on GitHub.com. It has to do w/ Disqus. Oct 21 21:59:55 I thought, what the hell am I doing? I should pitch-in and type up some HTML and JSON for a review. Oct 21 21:59:56 ... Oct 21 22:00:29 Here is my concern. Are we only allowed so much data from the current plan for the site? Oct 21 22:02:06 Oh and Disqus makes it easy for people to spend time in their "Hate-Zone." Oct 21 22:07:51 ... Oct 21 22:08:01 https://github.com/beagleboard/bone101/commit/b5d4821c526e578f178ae73a0f6079706db1b5fb is where I found this info. Oct 21 22:15:57 ...I am not committing one sentence until appropriate feedback is given. I need more than 10 votes. Oct 21 22:16:07 ... Oct 21 22:16:17 Disqus for the BeagleBoard.org site? Oct 21 22:21:32 ferdna: Would you like to see a Disqus "blog" for the BeagleBoard.org site? Oct 21 22:22:12 no thank you Oct 21 22:22:26 Damn. Okay. That is 0 to 1 so far. Oct 21 22:22:36 Any other nay sayers? Oct 21 22:23:23 ferdna: I want to give back but I cannot do anything w/out a process or "crew." Oct 21 22:24:25 pfff Oct 21 22:24:40 ferdna: Is there something in particular that you would like to see on the BBB.io site? Oct 21 22:24:58 <<<< trying Oct 21 22:26:06 Taking all comers...we are at a 0 to 1 ratio, i.e. 0:1. Oct 21 22:26:24 Nine more and I can stop. Oct 21 22:27:08 Hello Puzzles...would you like to see Disqus on "our" BBB.io site? Oct 21 22:27:49 Sorry. puzzles: Would you like to see Disqus on the bbb.io site? Oct 21 22:28:30 set_: Please don't highlight random people. Oct 21 22:28:41 Okay. Sorry. Oct 21 22:28:53 I will leave highlighting alone. Oct 21 22:29:35 Maybe a poll will do better...let me see what I can conjour up. Oct 21 22:29:46 ... Oct 21 22:37:59 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1VFP8P34Y0YjxIijh2vYbpRsRytdd0jVQGfqdWyad6RE/prefill Oct 21 22:38:20 ...That docs.google.com site is a poll for the BBB.io site. Please answer. Time ensues. Oct 21 22:51:11 Please read the logs after 5:00 p.m. during the Oct. 21st. Oct 21 23:09:15 set_, that poll is private Oct 21 23:11:09 Oh. Oct 21 23:11:12 Please hold. Oct 21 23:11:16 Sorry. Oct 21 23:16:27 You are right. Dang it. Off to polldaddy. Geesh. Oct 21 23:22:36 http://silver2row.polldaddy.com/s/re-disqus-on-bbb-io-site should do it... Oct 21 23:22:37 ... Oct 21 23:22:56 This is for a Disqus or Not-Disqus for the BBB.io site. Enjoy! Oct 21 23:30:01 Kitlith: Did that site work for a poll? Oct 21 23:30:42 so, uh, why are you the one creating the poll, anyway? Oct 21 23:31:50 Oh...I thought BBB.io was missing some stuff, e.g. certain hyperlinks were out and I wanted a real-time board to communicate. Oct 21 23:31:58 ah Oct 21 23:31:59 I thought this may be a way to get feedback. Oct 21 23:32:25 why not just, y'know, notify them of the breakages in an issue? Oct 21 23:32:26 I thought I could give a little. For instance, it would educate me and I could learn. Oct 21 23:32:34 Oh. Okay. Oct 21 23:32:50 I thought of it but I do not know anyone. Oct 21 23:33:01 and maybe ask if they'd like disqus in another issue. Oct 21 23:33:37 Okay. Forget the poll. I can poll later. I will go to the people in charge of web design. Oct 21 23:37:16 Oh, oh...I know. Who is in charge of web design? Oct 21 23:41:59 ... Oct 21 23:43:25 Who is in charge of Web Design for BBB.io? Oct 21 23:46:54 First and Secondly, I want to provide some feedback. I see some hyperlinks are out of service or are no longer in existence. I also noticed some photos that are not able to be downloaded onto the screen. I have seen the pages change but I was unaware of the reasoning. Thirdly, I am granted no reasoning and that is okay by me. I would just like to give back in a small way if you will have me. Oct 21 23:47:35 ... Oct 21 23:47:51 The next thing I should say is, "I come in peace." **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 22 03:00:01 2017