**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 29 03:00:01 2017 Oct 29 13:24:40 Hi everyone. It appears Beagle boards don't have a latest Android OS bringup (the one that is available is Jellybean 4.2). I'm a device maintainer from LineageOS - an open source Android-based operating system (formerly known as CyanogenMod). I'd just like to confirm that my findings are correct? Is Jellybean 4.2 the latest that is available? If not, please correct me. I would like to see if I can contribute to Oct 29 13:24:40 that project in some way and revive it? Is this the correct place to discuss or I need to connect with someone else? Thanks! Oct 29 13:51:41 don't think that android is a popular beagle choice Oct 29 14:40:58 hi Oct 29 14:42:05 the black beagle bone needs such firmware to start or it is preloaded something inside? Oct 29 16:38:14 Hello... Oct 29 16:38:55 If you get bored and you are using the Motor Bridge Cape from Seeed-Studio w/ your BBB, please see here... Oct 29 16:39:00 ... Oct 29 16:39:06 https://www.seeed.cc/%5BFAQ%5Dindium-asked-about-Motor-Bridge-Cape-t-12440.html Oct 29 16:39:08 ... Oct 29 16:39:37 If you are bored and want to help configure, please send assistance on what has already been discussed. Oct 29 16:40:05 ... Oct 29 16:40:30 This fellow, indium, is having some complications w/ getting his MBC working on his BBB. Oct 29 16:40:33 That is all. Oct 29 17:16:54 hi Oct 29 17:17:13 Hello... Oct 29 17:17:31 what do you think to port GNU/HURD on BBB? Oct 29 17:17:50 Think...sure. Do...I am clueless. Oct 29 17:18:09 I am messing w/ the Motor Bridge Cape as of now. Oct 29 17:20:47 I see that HURD is a microserver. I think their last production was in 2016. Am I wrong? Oct 29 17:21:59 https://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ and https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/ should do it for you. Oct 29 17:28:21 Up. Up. Otay! Oct 29 17:52:44 18/12/2016 Oct 29 17:53:47 hurd community replied watch #hurd Oct 29 17:57:52 https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/arm_port.html Oct 29 18:08:17 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-Hurd-2017 Oct 29 18:50:00 is is possible to connect the BBB to a mobile phone using the phone than a laptop? Oct 29 18:50:20 my phone uses a USB C Oct 29 20:40:17 pavlx: it would be a very large project requiring deep understanding of Hurd, the ARM architecture, and TI's AM335x SoC, and the ability, time, and motivation to write the many drivers and other platform-specific code needed to get anything useful working at all Oct 29 21:51:38 Hello i am using bbb. Do you know if it is possible to boot from external sd card?if the answer is yes can you tell me if have to write an image to the sd card ? Then what should i perform? Oct 29 21:55:46 Toto_: the bootloader stored on eMMC will actually try booting linux from card first Oct 29 21:56:31 so if you write an image (a "standalone" one, not a flasher) to card and stick it on it will probably boot from it by default Oct 29 21:58:03 there's some risk of some stuff not working though if the bootloader on eMMC is too old. it is possible to temporarily force the bootloader on card to be used instead of the one on eMMC by powering on while holding the S2 button down (the button nearest to the card slot) Oct 29 21:58:34 How do you make the difference between a standalone and aflasher one? Oct 29 21:58:48 to make it always use the bootloader on card you can wipe the bootloader on eMMC, or wipe eMMC entirely Oct 29 21:59:30 all images at http://bbb.io/latest-images are standalone Oct 29 22:00:19 https://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Debian_Image_Testing_Snapshots has both standalone images and flashers, but it clearly indicates which is which Oct 29 22:00:53 the difference between the two is merely whether a particular line in /boot/uEnv.txt is commented out or not, so it's not hard to convert standalone image into flasher or vice versa Oct 29 22:05:29 Ok fine! I have written an image from this site that you mentionned. I let the #before the cmdline instruction of the uenv.txt file. Then before powering on i press the s2 button. From this moment i see that it tries to flash because of the particular led sequence. Is it normal? Oct 29 22:05:46 no Oct 29 22:06:19 I mean, which image from which site? Oct 29 22:06:25 what's the name of the image? Oct 29 22:06:53 I guess that my emmc is wrong and i have to reflash it Oct 29 22:07:18 if you power on while S2 button is held down, eMMC is entirely bypassed, its contents should be irrelevant Oct 29 22:08:00 what's the name of the image you flashed onto card? Oct 29 22:08:25 I took my image from beaglebone.org latest image the version 9.1 Oct 29 22:09:01 filename bone-image-$something ? Oct 29 22:09:14 I mean bone-debian Oct 29 22:10:58 http://debian.beagleboard.org/images/bone-debian-9.1-lxqt-armhf-2017-08-31-4gb.img.xz Oct 29 22:11:07 yeah that's definitely not a flasher Oct 29 22:11:20 how sure are you that you're seeing a flasher led pattern? Oct 29 22:11:37 Is it bad news? Oct 29 22:12:23 if it's genuinely reflashing your bbb instead of booting, that would imply they made a pretty serious fuck-up in building that image Oct 29 22:13:51 The flasher pattern for me is a pattern you see only led 1 on then only led 2 on then only led 3 then only led4 then only led 3..and so on for 10 mn Oct 29 22:15:09 that's flashing alright... and that happens when booting bone-debian-9.1-lxqt-armhf-2017-08-31-4gb.img freshly flashed onto card? that's really bizarre Oct 29 22:15:33 But is it right to work with this image? http://debian.beagleboard.org/images/bone-debian-9.1-lxqt-armhf-2017-08-31-4gb.img.xz Oct 29 22:16:50 if you want a GUI, then yes it's the latest official image Oct 29 22:22:05 Hi again. In my case it is either the image which is wrong or the boot loader? Oct 29 22:23:24 the bootloader on eMMC is bypassed if you power on while holding down the S2 button (you can verify this by trying it without an sd card inserted, it won't boot at all), and moreover there's no plausible way for a problem in the bootloader to cause the flasher to be launched Oct 29 22:23:36 Are you here? Oct 29 22:24:12 please have a bit more patience after asking a question Oct 29 22:25:46 Yes but i have another issue. I suppose that my emmc is wrong because i can not connect in ssh through 192.168.7.2 Oct 29 22:26:38 which os are you using on your host computer? Oct 29 22:27:50 Windows Oct 29 22:28:04 10 ? Oct 29 22:28:19 Yes Oct 29 22:29:02 if using the latest image then it should work without requiring any driver to be installed Oct 29 22:32:19 As i said to you. I do not get anymore a good behaviour with 192.168.7.2. I suppose i have a problem with my emmc Oct 29 22:33:36 well, if it got semi-reflashed there may not be a usable system on it anymore, or did the problem start before that? Oct 29 22:37:15 Yes i imagine the problem happened before this semi reflashing.2 days ago my bbb turned off while itwas installing a linux packet. Is the bbb protected against such problems? Oct 29 22:40:27 nope, eMMC is not fond powering off during writes in general, and interrupting upgrade of core system packages can create a really big mess Oct 29 22:40:34 *not fond of Oct 29 22:43:24 Another question is about using a larger memory than the emmc to hold my programs. What do you recommend me? Is it better to boot on the external sd and install my programs on this sd partition or is it possible to extend the emmc partition to an ext4 partition? Oct 29 22:44:28 I don't suppose trimming unnecessary fat is an option? ;) 4 GB is a lot of stuff if you think about it Oct 29 22:45:04 using both eMMC and card is certainly possible, depends a bit on whether you can find a good way to split your stuff between the two Oct 29 22:47:21 Ok i conclude that the best option is to put all my stuffs on the external sd. I need qt5 which consumes about 1 giga or more Oct 29 22:48:05 we have a qt5 application which (app + qt5 libraries we use) is about 20 MB iirc Oct 29 22:49:31 (I might remember the exact size wrong, but it was definitely that order of magnitude) Oct 29 22:49:48 Qt5 on internal emmc? Oct 29 22:50:04 we don't use SD cards at all Oct 29 22:51:28 Fine! very interesting! On which image do you have this qt5? Oct 29 22:51:33 qt5 dev libraries are probably bigger, but even our development beaglebones have no trouble fitting all stuff we use in the space available Oct 29 22:52:26 our current systems are not directly related to the beagleboard.org images anymore, but basically they're just minimal debian systems with the stuff we need installed on top Oct 29 22:54:21 Can you recommend a site to try these interesting things you are explaining? Oct 29 22:56:33 not really, I've been using debian for a long time so I'm quite comfortable with installing stuff I need while keeping crap to a minimum Oct 29 22:58:07 Ok take your time to grab these thingsm Oct 29 22:58:22 ? Oct 29 23:02:48 I am not sure i understand. This qt5 soft is it on a exiisting debian image? Or you explain that installing it does not require more than 20Mb? Oct 29 23:06:10 I happen to know (or, well, vaguely remember) the size of app + library dependencies because we build a small service-in-a-container image from it Oct 29 23:06:47 I don't remember exactly how much space it takes to install the main qt5 development libraries... a lot more for sure, but it definitely wasn't 1 GB Oct 29 23:09:57 The image consumes 3giga? There is about 0.5 giga left ?to install qt5 lib and other stuffs. Oct 29 23:10:20 the image contains a huge ton of crap for which we have no use Oct 29 23:10:58 we don't even have X11 installed whatsoever Oct 29 23:11:12 (it's a fullscreen qt5 application) Oct 29 23:12:27 iirc our base image is around 400 MB Oct 29 23:15:38 Only 400MB ! Ok . But i need to install the qt creator tool. There is no automatic set upfor this tool?. I have the feeling that i have to compile this tool so that i can use to build my gui? Oct 29 23:16:09 our qt5 developer uses qt creator on a comfortable workstation, not on a BBB Oct 29 23:17:14 This qtcreator tool consumes a lot moreover all the code to be downloaded to build it consumes a lot too! Oct 29 23:17:16 trying to use a bbb as desktop machine feels silly to me Oct 29 23:18:04 yes I'm sure qt creator is huge, which is why I would never even consider trying to run it on a bbb Oct 29 23:19:50 Yes you are right. I am desiging my gui on pc. Once my gui works on the pc i copy my code to bbb and i compile. This consumes less. Oct 29 23:20:28 exactly Oct 29 23:21:18 Youe experience matches my own one Oct 29 23:22:49 However the difficulty for me is to fix the exact list of libraries i need to get my gui work on bbb Oct 29 23:24:22 it shouldn't be too hard... iirc the qmake file should give a fair indication which components are being used Oct 29 23:24:56 What do you recommend me to fix these things. I could install qmake first then the libraries i need step by step Oct 29 23:25:31 you'll need qt5-qmake and qt5-default at the very least Oct 29 23:25:42 and then just take it from there Oct 29 23:26:58 These packets are easy to download Oct 29 23:27:02 if you're starting with the lxqt image, you may also want to consider first removing crap you don't need, like google-chrome Oct 29 23:27:08 packages Oct 29 23:27:37 (at least I think I remember lxqt includes chrome) Oct 29 23:29:57 Ok fine thank you so much for all these informations and feedback from you. I am going to sleep. See you Oct 29 23:30:09 g'nite Oct 29 23:30:16 If anyone is using the Motor Bridge Cape, please contact me. I would like to discuss it w/ you. Oct 29 23:30:37 Hello zmatt: How are you today? Oct 29 23:31:49 I'm fine, relaxing a bit Oct 29 23:32:17 Cool...I just thought I should say hello. Oct 29 23:32:21 So, hello. Oct 29 23:32:41 hi! Oct 29 23:32:43 :) Oct 29 23:33:08 See, and who said BBB.io on IRC could not have morale? Oct 29 23:33:20 Damn nay-sayers. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 30 03:00:01 2017