**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 08 03:00:02 2018 Apr 08 12:33:32 which is the latest version in bbb Apr 08 12:58:47 Guest65207: what do you mean? hardware? software? Apr 08 14:14:33 Hello, I have a beaglebone blue and I suspect the wifi chip is toast does anyone know if there is a way to check the chip ? Apr 08 14:15:17 'ip link' doesn't show wlan0 ? Apr 08 14:16:45 no just usb0, usb1 and lo Apr 08 14:17:33 ls /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc2/ Apr 08 14:18:07 root@beaglebone:/home/debian# ls /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc2/ Apr 08 14:18:08 device power subsystem uevent Apr 08 14:18:20 root@beaglebone:/home/debian# ls /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc2/ Apr 08 14:18:21 device power subsystem uevent Apr 08 14:18:31 hmm Apr 08 14:18:36 root@beaglebone:/home/debian# ls /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc2/ Apr 08 14:18:37 device power subsystem uevent Apr 08 14:18:44 pasting it once was sufficient thanks Apr 08 14:18:48 device power subsystem uevent Apr 08 14:19:34 also, please use pastebin.com or similar paste service for multiline output Apr 08 14:20:29 it may be worth booting from a fresh image to exclude the possibility of software issues Apr 08 14:20:59 if it still doesn't show up there, there may actually be a hardware issue Apr 08 14:21:33 device Apr 08 14:23:44 device power subsystem uevent Apr 08 14:24:01 what on earth are you doing? Apr 08 14:24:29 ok sorry for that the client kept removing what I was typing Apr 08 14:24:51 I have switched irc client Apr 08 14:25:53 in case you missed it: https://pastebin.com/raw/E03gMjg9 Apr 08 14:26:49 yes missed it Apr 08 14:27:10 I have tried multiple images and therefore different sd cards Apr 08 14:28:19 I have tried with the image on the sd card or on the emmc but no success Apr 08 14:28:59 bluetooth is showing up in connmanctl but not wifi Apr 08 14:38:55 wait what? that's really weird Apr 08 14:39:22 since that means the wifi/bt chipset needs to be mostly working Apr 08 14:39:30 can you pastebin the kernel log? Apr 08 15:50:43 They took my name again. Aw! Apr 08 15:50:59 why didn't you register it with nickserv when you had the chance, dummy Apr 08 15:56:22 I know. I should have done it. Apr 08 15:56:35 I will do it later, hopefully. Apr 08 17:24:28 zmatt: I did it but it failed. I will have to wait until the "set_" fellow leaves again. Oops! Apr 08 17:25:12 you can only register the nickname you're using currently obviously Apr 08 17:25:26 I know. I will have to wait. Apr 08 17:25:55 The prompt told me that the someone is already using the name. Apr 08 17:26:14 So, Apr 08 17:26:26 I will wait until a later time and register it. Apr 08 17:27:26 zmatt: I was building my drone. I only got so far. The damn parts are too tiny. TINY! Apr 08 17:27:53 Luckily, I had some tools that fit. Apr 08 17:28:00 need to shrink Apr 08 17:28:05 Yep. Apr 08 17:28:20 take some small pills? Apr 08 17:28:32 Sure did. No way they can get me that tiny. Apr 08 17:28:49 I got m3 machine screws. Apr 08 17:29:08 W/ a hex hole in them. Apr 08 17:29:20 Talk about not being able to find the proper tool until hours later. Apr 08 17:30:39 I checked all my attachments. Then, I remembered one tool w/ a few attachments. Boom! It was w/ the lesser tool attachments. Apr 08 17:31:00 ... Apr 08 17:31:38 I got this board/frame from BangGood. They are cheap, supposedly. Anyway, Their schematic to put the frame together is bogus. Apr 08 17:31:41 ... Apr 08 17:31:55 They gave me a bunch of hardware that has nothing to do w/ their instructions. Apr 08 17:32:38 ... Apr 08 17:32:50 I should have just made a lightweight one out of aluminum. Apr 08 17:33:16 So... Apr 08 17:33:25 The bBBlue is ready for take off soon. Apr 08 17:40:43 fly carefully, IE do simple tests first :D Apr 08 17:43:43 You got it. I do not want to ruin everything on the first test. Apr 08 17:53:34 Heh I've done it. My first electric plane I crashed. It was glorious though! LOL. Flew like a bat out of heck. I think it was moving at like 40mph I didn't have enough stick experience. I have a much easier to fly model now but then, up down up down. Got about 400' out of it though. Apr 08 17:56:30 Cool. Apr 08 17:56:47 I found some fields where they welcome people w/ their drones/copters/etc. Apr 08 17:57:35 Well...bbl. I got to harass people in life now. Apr 08 18:10:45 zmatt: out of curiosity, how hard is it going to be to force an emulator to build without X11 Apr 08 18:11:17 uh, question too vague Apr 08 18:11:20 oh, okay Apr 08 18:11:31 If it supports SDL can I make that work without X11? Apr 08 18:11:48 SDL doesn't depend on X11 Apr 08 18:11:57 that's what I thought, thanks. Apr 08 18:21:55 Yet Another Display Driver (YADD) :D Apr 08 22:53:07 hi. is the beagleboard x15 a free (as in freedom) and open board? Apr 08 22:56:42 ep_: creative commons Attribution-ShareAlike license Apr 08 22:56:56 the hardware design that is Apr 08 22:58:50 you do have to pay for a physical board one way or another in other words. Apr 08 23:00:07 zmatt where is that written? Apr 08 23:02:30 there's a CC BY-SA logo on the schematic itself Apr 08 23:02:57 I thought there was a clearer, more explicitly notice somewhere... Apr 08 23:03:00 jkridner[m]: ping? Apr 08 23:03:54 thanks. not that important zmatt. more important for me is.. if the board can be run without using blobs Apr 08 23:05:40 ah you're one of those people. there are no binary blobs required to have a normally running system, unless you count the ROM bootloader (which is an immutable part of the processor) Apr 08 23:07:20 doesn't video output require blobs, or at least for 3-d acceleration Apr 08 23:07:25 using the 3D GPU requires closed-source (but freely redistributable) userspace libs Apr 08 23:07:35 it is not required for video output in general Apr 08 23:07:47 right Apr 08 23:08:37 zmatt was/is my question that common? Apr 08 23:09:48 there are also firmware blobs for the hardware video encoding/decoding subsystem, but again using it is entirely optional Apr 08 23:10:41 every now and then someone shows up who thinks firmware blobs are the root of all evil Apr 08 23:11:22 ;) Apr 08 23:12:08 if there were no blobs everything could be more open and thereby secure (in theory) Apr 08 23:14:27 possibly. on the other hand, it is also easy to just view a firmware blob as being part of the chip design, which itself is almost never open. in that regard, I'd rather have updateable firmware that allows for bugs (including security issues) to be fixed, than firmware baked into ROM embedded in the peripheral Apr 08 23:15:26 i agree zmatt. absolutely. in an ideal world i would buy something 100% free and open Apr 08 23:15:28 don't get me wrong, I'd also greatly prefer open source firmware, but that's not always a realistic expectation Apr 08 23:15:55 nowadays completely unrealistic :/ Apr 08 23:18:21 the beagleboard-x15 and beaglebone have a very high degree of openness though: the schematics and pcb designs are available, the components are actually available for purchase (unlike the SoCs used on the various raspberry pies), and there are thousands of pages of public documentation available from TI without even having to register Apr 08 23:19:48 the kernel driver for the GPU (which is responsible for actually enforcing security boundaries, including MMU setup for the GPU) is also open source Apr 08 23:19:51 im searching for almost three weeks now. really not easy. as you said.. not really realistic Apr 08 23:21:02 i believe the "best" products are currently beagleboard, olinuxino and wandboard Apr 08 23:21:33 or using pretty old hardware with libreboot Apr 08 23:32:20 thanks and cya zmatt **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 09 03:00:02 2018