**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 22 03:00:01 2018 Jun 22 03:00:44 ...Yep. The grass should get thrown in every way fathomable. I am just thinking I should have back-up controls, i.e. R/C. Jun 22 03:01:06 For those days when the SH#% hits the fan. Jun 22 03:01:22 sigh it's late again... never enough time in the day as for RC you could make use of drone attachments (IE camera) Jun 22 03:01:42 I do not need that stuff. No peculiar stuff just yet. Jun 22 03:02:06 Just a regular gas powered listener that stops w/ overrides. Jun 22 03:02:35 ... Jun 22 03:02:38 huh well it does move that's a start! :D Jun 22 03:02:48 Yeppers. Jun 22 03:49:53 e Jun 22 12:06:12 Hi, a friend has a beagle running ubuntu 12.04 plus lxde environment with auto logon (so lxde desktop is shown without password at boot), sometimes , by not yet known cause, logon process breaks and the following is displayed: Jun 22 12:06:17 https://imagebin.ca/v/46A9gpo5UiYu Jun 22 12:08:27 no usual user (ubuntu) is displayed on the list and , if he taps "more" and enters correct user/pass , login still fails with that menu still shown. Jun 22 12:09:25 What login is corrupting ? How to fix this problem ?? Jun 22 17:57:27 Are there plans to have beaglebone Debian console to have overlays installed by default Jun 22 18:04:29 ehm, what do you mean? all images have those installed by default Jun 22 18:06:01 in fact since u-boot overlays are enabled by default (and have been for a long time now), I don't think it will even boot anymore without them, at least not from eMMC Jun 22 18:08:44 Not according to the wiki Jun 22 18:09:04 the console images for Debian 8.x do not have them installed by default Jun 22 18:09:34 I downloaded the latest Debian console image for 8.10 and the wifi does not boot Jun 22 18:09:55 according to the page the overlays need to be installed manually from git and installed Jun 22 18:10:19 the latest image I have with the overlays install is 8.7 03_09_17 Jun 22 18:11:38 https://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Adding_bb.org-overlays_to_jessie_console_image Jun 22 18:12:06 https://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#Jessie_Snapshot_console Jun 22 18:12:50 the fact there is an explicit call out for Jessie and the image doesn't boot the wifi like the IoT image etc tells me they are not installed Jun 22 18:13:12 I have also tried 9.4 same issue Jun 22 18:14:57 It would be nice to have a vanilla image that is Debian only + overlays (no other installs). The console image appears to be the absolute minimum (no overlays) to boot the beagle Jun 22 18:15:44 serial is accessible, BUT HoRNDIS doesn't support high Sierra (macOS 10.13) Jun 22 18:20:10 first of all, 8.x images are obsolete, please use 9.x Jun 22 18:21:20 and wifi and overlays are not related Jun 22 18:21:39 (iirc) Jun 22 18:21:40 Incorrect, 8.X support for kernel 4_4-bone-LTS is supported Jun 22 18:21:56 still, you're alone with your questions Jun 22 18:22:10 if you want any help here, run latest images Jun 22 18:22:12 Version 9.4 Debian console does not boot the wifi either Jun 22 18:22:39 what does "boot the wifi" mean anyway? Jun 22 18:22:40 Per your answer this is not a deprecated OS and is supported Jun 22 18:23:58 jg_: I'm sure rcn keeps old stuff on life-support, but debian themselves consider jessie to be an obsolete release Jun 22 18:24:13 The AP "BeagleBone-XXXX" is not enabled and thus cannot be connected to directly like the IoT or other images Jun 22 18:24:46 advanced high-level networking stuff like a wifi access point is not and will never be part of the console image Jun 22 18:24:58 It was Jun 22 18:25:10 Can you point me to where the change was documented Jun 22 18:25:12 gogogadgeto delorean! Jun 22 18:25:16 and how can it be installed? Jun 22 18:25:42 if it ever was, that sounds like a mistake to me. the console images are meant to be minimalistic Jun 22 18:26:09 console images are designed for those who want a minimal base image and are comfortable installing the stuff they want on their own Jun 22 18:26:35 Understood, and I agree with the BBW, BBG, BBB that makes sense (there's an eth0) Jun 22 18:26:57 however, serial should not be the only form of communication for BBBW (just saying) Jun 22 18:27:03 usb networking Jun 22 18:27:21 latest images support both cdc-ecm and rndis, hence should work on every OS Jun 22 18:27:37 Especially since the recommend from thethered comms for wifi (HoRNDIS) is not support on newer macOS versions Jun 22 18:27:46 it only support obsolete versions of macOS Jun 22 18:27:51 you don't need HoRNDIS Jun 22 18:27:54 it should simply work Jun 22 18:27:59 (when using 9.x images) Jun 22 18:28:21 I cannot access the internet without tethering capabilities Jun 22 18:28:38 once you can login, you can configure networking any way you want Jun 22 18:28:44 The device is accessible from usb-serial without external communication to untrusted internet Jun 22 18:28:58 I have no idea what you're trying to say Jun 22 18:29:12 agreed, with a USB - Eth0 bridge (i.e. HoRNDIS) Jun 22 18:29:21 you don't need HoRNDIS Jun 22 18:29:30 MacOS has built-in support for CDC-ECM Jun 22 18:30:39 Interesting... because adding a route for NS 8.8.8.8 still does not est. external comms for me Jun 22 18:31:00 Do you have documentation you can point me to? Jun 22 18:31:29 if you mean you want to share your internet connection to the beaglebone via the usb networking connection, that's... not really trivial Jun 22 18:31:35 on any OS Jun 22 18:31:38 that should work easily, *IF* you are running a recent 9.x image Jun 22 18:31:53 tbr: reach the bbb - yes. give the bbb internet access - no.. Jun 22 18:32:12 that's what I'm saying Jun 22 18:32:13 zmatt: correct, that requires a bit of a brain and route setting and such Jun 22 18:32:13 lol Jun 22 18:32:30 I get that... and documentation Jun 22 18:32:36 if you need network connectivity, there's ethernet Jun 22 18:33:12 thank you for back handed insults and anecdotal insights Jun 22 18:33:19 Not on a BBBW Jun 22 18:33:42 you're free to your interpretation Jun 22 18:34:08 tbr: that comment wasn't meant for you. it was zmatt comment about a brain Jun 22 18:34:10 and if the BBBW doesn't have ethernet, then going through the config dance on USB or wifi is the way Jun 22 18:34:26 I made the comment about the brain… Jun 22 18:34:35 ok then it was for you ;) Jun 22 18:34:36 and it was not aimed at you Jun 22 18:34:47 Oh ok, then I apologize ;) Jun 22 18:35:00 jg_: when you connect via usb, you can use connmanctl to connect to your wifi network Jun 22 18:35:03 it is a bit involved to set up network sharing on pretty much every OS Jun 22 18:35:03 and then you have internet Jun 22 18:35:38 will try again, ty Jun 22 18:37:14 it's generally a unfortunate clash that many people will go "USB, that should be easy! It speaks network anyway through $MAGIC!" while setting up sharing of network connectivity from a computer to a BBB via USB is rather involved on *both* sides Jun 22 18:37:20 it would be nice if connman did something clever to auto-detect whether the host is running a dhcp server or dhcp client, and adapt accordingly Jun 22 18:37:36 then you could just enable internet sharing on the host (which is typically quite easy actually) and it would work Jun 22 18:37:38 oh, indeed, that would be nifty Jun 22 18:38:11 it sounds perfectly feasible to me, so all that's needed is someone who cares enough to put in the effort ;) Jun 22 18:38:32 or the console image has the overlays installed and the AP configured and no other software and services install (e.g. IoT image minus the beagle board bloat) Jun 22 18:38:44 like I said, it has overlays installed Jun 22 18:38:48 The CI/CD for the images Clearly do that Jun 22 18:39:06 do the same for console - (minus) other installed crap Jun 22 18:40:03 I'll try accessing again and will flash 9.4 Jun 22 18:40:08 just to level set Jun 22 18:41:36 anyway, bbl Jun 22 18:56:43 Hello again, I have a question about that: If it is so tricky to share internet via the usb@bbb, why bother having such interface, with an already populated ethernet interface, and usb-to-serial interface?. Why not just a usb-to-serial? Jun 22 18:58:15 I mean: usb-to-serial + ethernet, instead of usb-to-serial + usb-to-virtualEthernet + Ethernet Jun 22 19:05:24 Nicolas__: Agreed. In the case of the BBBW (Wireless) this should be the primary communication port Jun 22 19:06:49 That's my point, have the device ready to go with any image that is flashed, and let the user decide which makes sense. If you want a gui use that image, want IoT preinstalled services use IoT, want a baseline OS to configure with your own software use the console Jun 22 19:08:15 But don't provide an image from the site that doesn't have the primary communication device active (WIFI, console image doesn't not have an AP enabled to connect to from a remote machine) Jun 22 19:08:34 IoT does have it Jun 22 19:13:50 zmatt Jun 22 19:14:05 zmatt: are you around? Jun 22 19:14:40 Nicolas__: I don't understand your question. you seem to be asking "why not reduce functionality by using the frequently-used usb networking feature" Jun 22 19:14:47 *by removing the Jun 22 19:15:38 zmatt: sorry, also learning english :( Jun 22 19:17:23 No, I'm saying that there should be an option that provides all access to the devices, but a vanilla install Jun 22 19:17:31 zmatt: Why the BBB haves a usb-ethernet (with the internet sharing problems), having a proper ethernet port already. Jun 22 19:17:55 Nicolas__: because there are a lot of people who cannot conveniently connect the bbb to ethernet Jun 22 19:17:57 We're using the beagle SOM for a commercial solution and we're updating the fleet Jun 22 19:18:01 and there are beaglebones which have no ethernet Jun 22 19:18:27 For BBB you are correct, not for BBBW Jun 22 19:18:48 BBBW = BBB MINUS Ethernet port PLUS WIFI Jun 22 19:19:13 jg_: I am fully aware what the BBBW is and which connectivity it has. what made you think I don't? Jun 22 19:19:35 you seem to be replying to things I said to Nicolas__ Jun 22 19:19:41 Apologies, I misread Jun 22 19:19:44 my bad Jun 22 19:19:59 I read it as use the ethernet port ;) Jun 22 19:20:57 zmatt: I get it Jun 22 19:21:02 as for you: if you use the console image (which is not a typical image and not listed on the "latest images" page) it's assumed you know what you're doing. if you use the beaglebones in a commercial product even more so. you should make an image that has exactly the stuff you want configured in the way you want it and flash that onto your beagles Jun 22 19:21:03 Anyway, I'm attempting a 9.4 flash now Jun 22 19:21:07 jg_: Jun 22 19:21:30 That's why we went live with 8.7 03_07_17 Jun 22 19:22:09 but it is an image and they DO have it listed from the page, sooooooo...... the company did take on that responsibility Jun 22 19:22:47 did you pay for commercial support? no? what made you think the images are provided as anything other than as-is ? Jun 22 19:23:01 They have commercial support? Jun 22 19:23:40 I'm pretty sure bb.org doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if others do Jun 22 19:23:44 We'd be willing to enter into a maintenance contract Jun 22 19:24:01 oh ok, so they still just need to support the product generally speaking ;) Jun 22 19:24:18 point is, you're complaining that rcn doesn't, in his spare time, happen to produce an image that's *exactly* to your liking Jun 22 19:24:45 btw: it sounds like your assumption is that this is commercial grade software with free enterprise level support. it isn't Jun 22 19:24:46 Touche ;) Jun 22 19:25:06 if you're not happy with any of the default images. make one that has stuff the way you want it and create an image from that Jun 22 19:25:30 rcn publishes detailed information on building your own debian images Jun 22 19:25:36 That's what we're doing, we just need to get past this hiccup. Jun 22 19:25:56 We didn't have problems building our own from the 03_07_17 console image Jun 22 19:26:05 I already explained how: you can use usb networking to log into the bbbw, use connmanctl to configure wifi and have internet access, and take it from there Jun 22 19:26:28 that's possible, the images do change over time Jun 22 19:26:33 but that's what we're doing, we are also dependent on the PRUSS not RPROC yada yada yada so we know we have to do a cusomized job Jun 22 19:26:47 though to be honest I'm more surprised that AP functionality was ever included Jun 22 19:27:02 don't worry, uio-pruss is still supported and in fact easier to enable in current images than it was a while ago Jun 22 19:27:29 (there's now a config option in /boot/uEnv.txt to toggle between rproc-pru and uio-pruss) Jun 22 19:27:46 I know, I'm trying that now zmatt Jun 22 19:28:00 just juggling a few thing right now :D Jun 22 19:28:35 It was.... Jun 22 19:28:43 Thus part of the frustration Jun 22 19:28:44 *shameless plug* if you want an easy way to play with uio-pruss, including interactively, check out => https://github.com/mvduin/py-uio/#uio_pruss Jun 22 19:28:55 ;) Jun 22 19:28:59 Now it may have been months of mistakes, I don't know Jun 22 19:29:12 nice! Jun 22 19:29:23 I've seen the py-uio library Jun 22 19:29:43 We go from UIO to C to C++ to cloud for backhual Jun 22 19:29:56 and we're analyzing 1.1M observations Jun 22 19:30:02 so python can't keep up ;)_ Jun 22 19:30:08 we tried Jun 22 19:30:28 java was worse Jun 22 19:30:35 yeah for offloading lots of data C++ is definitely better Jun 22 19:30:50 what does "rcn" stand for? Jun 22 19:31:03 Robert C. Nelson Jun 22 19:31:18 That d00d is really good! Jun 22 19:31:19 I see. Jun 22 19:31:25 it's of course also an option to do initialization and code loading in python and then have a C++ program process the data Jun 22 19:31:42 with a bit of luck avoiding the rather icky prussdrv library Jun 22 19:31:48 The ASM is good for now Jun 22 19:32:25 Before kernel 3.14 it terrible getting access to PRUSS Jun 22 19:32:25 but obviously already working code is better than any other kind of code ;) Jun 22 19:32:35 I don't remember those dark ages Jun 22 19:33:17 I will say this. Once we freeze again we'll be good for a year, and then panic again Jun 22 19:33:35 lol Jun 22 19:33:50 this is better than using a Veriscite and cheaper Jun 22 19:34:03 and a bunch of NI stuff for observation Jun 22 19:34:30 THat's why we're also staying on 8 Jun 22 19:34:51 we jumped to 9 and there was just too much change and it caused MORE panic Jun 22 19:35:55 we had to start modifying code, which isn't bad, BUT the regression testing will take to long Jun 22 19:36:27 maybe not, but we know it works Jun 22 19:36:31 you get it I'm sure Jun 22 19:37:41 at the same time, the longer you want to move to newer stuff, the more problems you'll face :) Jun 22 19:37:56 I try to keep development systems fairly close to the leading edge Jun 22 19:38:35 also the images we use don't particularly resemble rcn's anymore, apart from being debian systems Jun 22 19:39:02 upgrading the base debian distro generally has very little impact Jun 22 19:40:12 as for kernel, our first production systems already used 4.9, and the transition to 4.14 was pretty smooth in my experience Jun 22 19:46:09 About the beagleboard.org images, which kernel are using? Jun 22 19:47:02 I think you're right. It's probably a change in one of the TPS packages we pulled (that's what I suspect) Jun 22 19:47:15 TPS ? Jun 22 19:47:27 our frozen 8.7 image still works and updated packages fine (thus SW worked) Jun 22 19:47:38 How do I update 'pip' ? Jun 22 19:47:46 Nicolas__: latest images are probably 4.14-ti series Jun 22 19:47:46 I don't think it's the OS but some thing else Jun 22 19:48:13 we're still using 4_4-bone TLS since we're using PRUSS Jun 22 19:48:59 uio-pruss should work fine in any -bone (and any -ti kernel when an appropriate DT is used. latest images make that easy) Jun 22 19:49:05 We'll slowly start moving to 4_9-bone-TLS and then rproc Jun 22 19:49:18 I'm guessing you mean LTS rather than TLS Jun 22 19:49:21 why rproc? Jun 22 19:49:24 I did Jun 22 19:49:29 also, current LTS is 4.14 Jun 22 19:49:52 we're using 4.14-bone (customized) ourselves Jun 22 19:49:57 Ok then we'll jump to 4_14 next and go from there Jun 22 19:50:46 @zmatt: How do I upgrade PIP? 'pip install --upgrade pip' is not working. Jun 22 19:50:57 stan: update the python-pip or python3-pip package. if you don't want to update all system packages, you can update just that single package using sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME Jun 22 19:51:11 (don't forget to first do sudo apt-get update if you haven't already done so in the last 24 hours or so) Jun 22 19:54:11 this assumes your beaglebone has internet access Jun 22 19:54:56 :Getting the error: //deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/InRelease Temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org' for sudo apt-get update Jun 22 19:55:09 i.e. it doesn't Jun 22 19:56:10 connecting the beaglebone to your computer via usb is not sufficient. while it is theoretically possible to use such a connection to provide internet access to the beaglebone, this is rather complicated in practice Jun 22 19:56:35 I actually have connected it via. ethernet Jun 22 19:57:01 to an internet router/modem ? Jun 22 19:57:23 since that error seems to imply the beaglebone doesn't have working internet access Jun 22 19:57:45 probably a router since, it through a wall socket. Jun 22 19:58:03 is there any ping command for testing Jun 22 19:58:33 there is (you could have determined that by simply trying instead of asking) Jun 22 19:59:33 oops my bad. Plz bear with me Iam a mech. engg. doing some coding shit and Iam new to BBB platform Jun 22 19:59:36 a wall socket suggests the network infrastructure of a corporate or educational organization. in that case, if you have problems connecting to the internet you should ask the network support/management people Jun 22 20:00:05 the bbb will by default simply try to acquire internet access via dhcp Jun 22 20:04:26 So, I'm going to give 9.4 console a go.... worse case, I'll flash and the load an SDCARD with the overlays per the wiki doc Jun 22 20:04:46 for the Nth time, overlays _are_ _installed_ _by_ _default_ Jun 22 20:04:52 this way, IF it doesn't work I can step through the wiki doc to see if does it Jun 22 20:04:59 I know, I know Jun 22 20:05:06 I'm going to give it a go Jun 22 20:05:15 I'm just saying, just in case Jun 22 20:06:48 there is no "just in case" since they are installed Jun 22 20:09:27 http://www.labsolutely.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/orULZfw.jpg Jun 22 20:10:45 LOL TBR found it! Jun 22 20:10:56 :) Jun 22 20:37:49 Hi Jun 22 20:38:04 I got an issue with Internet connection Jun 22 20:38:17 can anybody help me..Thanks Jun 22 20:45:10 Chinna_: you should team up with stan_, he is close by and has the same problem ;) Jun 22 20:45:13 meh Jun 22 21:05:06 zmatt still on? Jun 22 21:06:38 If you happen to read logs. I'll let you know just in case was not needed. I owe you virtual beer! Jun 22 22:48:49 Hi to all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 23 03:00:01 2018