**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 30 02:59:58 2019 Mar 30 05:03:27 hel[ Mar 30 05:03:29 help Mar 30 05:03:30 help Mar 30 05:03:32 help Mar 30 05:03:34 anyone here Mar 30 05:03:47 anyone here Mar 30 05:03:50 anyone here Mar 30 05:03:52 anyone here Mar 30 05:06:05 hello Mar 30 05:06:08 yuv Mar 30 05:06:15 @yuv Mar 30 05:06:17 hello Mar 30 12:32:21 Maker Faire intake: Soon! Mar 30 19:50:02 hey Mar 30 19:50:14 has anyone used beagleboard as a GPS logger before? Mar 30 19:50:54 what's the total cost to get that running and log GPS data in intervals of minute for unlimited time Mar 30 19:50:59 let's say 10yrs Mar 30 19:52:10 frege: certainly more than outright buying a device thats contructed for this. Mar 30 19:52:12 "total cost" ? I mean, just a beaglebone + gps receiver I'd assume Mar 30 19:53:28 zmatt: only if you cut about every corner. in terms of ups, setup time, etc. Mar 30 19:53:39 the amount of time seems immaterial unless you run into storage problems (which you won't. one measurement every 10 minutes for 10 years is only half a million measurements) Mar 30 19:53:52 LetoThe2nd: do you know a device that does that? Mar 30 19:54:17 the main concern is battrey life Mar 30 19:54:30 otherwise I'd just use iphone Mar 30 19:54:44 now see there's a detail you hadn't mentioned yet Mar 30 19:54:44 frege: https://logistimatics.com/long-term-asset-tracking/ Mar 30 19:55:07 frege: cost me 5sec of googling. and if i can find something for 5years with almost no effort, go figure. Mar 30 19:55:30 you want it to run for 10 years on a battery, I'd definitely not go for a beaglebone Mar 30 19:59:13 that doesn't seem to quite match what he needs (only one measurement per day, and it's a subscription that reports them via cellular rather than merely logging), but yeah I'd expect google can find you a gps data logger Mar 30 20:02:17 ok bye Mar 30 20:02:21 :P Mar 30 20:05:45 surprised? :-P Mar 30 20:40:31 Hello all, Mar 30 20:40:44 I am working on this project http://dev.ti.com/tirex/content/simplelink_academy_cc13x0sdk_1_12_01_16/modules/154-stack_03_linux_project_0/154-stack_03_linux_project_0.html#task-4a-prepare-the-embedded-host Mar 30 20:41:12 I am trying to do step 4a in the above link , I have the Beagle Bone Black Wireless instead of the BBB Mar 30 20:41:57 Would the steps be the same in my case for 4a? and I don't have an FTDI cable is there a way to get around this without it or do I need to make this purchase? thanks Mar 30 20:43:07 you probably want to ask your question on TI's E2E forum. the TI SDK isn't really supported here Mar 30 20:44:42 it does look like the TI sdk sets up usb networking (based on the screenshot) so maybe you can log in via that and not need a serial cable Mar 30 20:45:59 Thanks I posted it on there with no help yet. The problem is that even If I were to get an FTDI cable , part of the 4a instructions asks to plug the beagle bone to the computer using an ethernet cable , The BBB wireless does not have an ethernet port Mar 30 20:47:06 correct, you'll have to log in via another method (either usb networking, if the TI sdk indeed sets that up, or the serial console otherwise) Mar 30 20:47:38 https://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial#Standard_FTDI_Cable Mar 30 20:48:08 once you're logged in you can hopefully set up wifi Mar 30 20:48:29 or perhaps the TI sdk sets up an access point too? I have no idea Mar 30 20:49:28 it's a good idea to get an ftdi serial cable anyway. then at least you can figure out what's going on whenever stuff isn't working and you can't access the beaglebone via any networking option Mar 30 20:51:21 btw, you don't actually need to hold the S2 button ("boot button") for "a few seconds" as they say. you can let go as soon as the power led turns on Mar 30 20:52:10 (technically you need to hold it for something like 20 miliseconds after the power led turns on iirc, something on that order of magnitude) Mar 30 20:52:59 I actually already have WIFI set up on my BBBW , so step 6 and onwards is just for setting up the internet ? does that mean If I am using the BBBW then I only need to be concerned about steps 1 - 5 in 4a? I appreciate you taking the time to reply Mar 30 20:53:44 you mean you've already been able to log into the system? then I'm confused about your earlier question Mar 30 20:54:54 any setup you've done on the internally flashed system no longer applies when you boot into a different system from sd card Mar 30 20:55:03 I am also confused about part 4a in the project I am sorry , I am trying to run this application in the link that I sent and I have all the hardware except that I am using the BBB wireless instead Mar 30 20:56:14 like I just said, you can try to just log in via usb networking (192.168.7.2) instead of using the serial console Mar 30 20:56:15 Oh I see , I am able to connect to my WIFI through the Putty terminal but If I am not wrong that uses the debian image that is flashed on my BBBW i did flash the latest debian image 9.5 on it Mar 30 20:56:23 Hello all Mar 30 20:56:29 if that works, you won't need to set up wifi Mar 30 20:58:04 EngineerNeil: yeah, but you're booting the beaglebone into a different system on sd card, so none of the configuration you did on the debian system flashed on the beaglebone applies Mar 30 20:59:03 So let's say I have the image on the micro SD card , for part 4a , all I need to do is boot from the micro sd card , and then use putty to connect to 192.168.7.2 , and then from there would you be able to tell me which step i need to follow up from the guide in Step 4a? I truly appreciate it Mar 30 20:59:16 guru99: tip: if you have a question, just ask it (just "hello" will typically not get a response here) Mar 30 21:00:38 EngineerNeil: if you are able to ssh to 192.168.7.2 (username "root", no password, as they mention in step 9), you should be able to proceed to step 10 Mar 30 21:00:46 (of step 4a) Mar 30 21:01:10 Ok thank you I will try that out and will get back to you shortly , thank you Mar 30 21:07:08 It seems like I am unable to SSH to 192.168.7.2 when the BBB wireless is in boot mode, also Linux displays connection failed with BBB Mar 30 21:08:58 then you will have to get an ftdi serial cable (see link I gave earlier) Mar 30 21:13:17 Thank you , I will go and make this purchase in a bit as I need it urgently. Could you please explain to be how to get past 4a after I get the cable Mar 30 21:13:53 I cannot, since I have no idea how networking is configured on the TI SDK Mar 30 21:15:37 I suggest googling around, I'm sure there are people who've set up wireless on a bbbw running the TI SDK, maybe someone wrote a blog post or something Mar 30 21:15:53 Ok but according to the guide do I just follow it normally . What do I do at the port where it says keep only the ethernet cable plugged in no power and no usb Mar 30 21:16:09 either set up wifi or set up usb networking Mar 30 21:16:15 as a substitute for ethernet Mar 30 21:16:47 I see now , and that is done differently from how it is done with the debian image that I flashed on the BBBW , correct? Mar 30 21:16:51 Back from Maker Faire: They gave me the damn firewall on their router. Mar 30 21:17:02 Aw! Mar 30 21:17:18 EngineerNeil: probably yes. for one, usb networking doesn't require any action to set up on the debian image, it's set up by default Mar 30 21:17:49 and wifi is setup via connmanctl, but I suspect the TI SDK doesn't use connman (that's just a guess though) Mar 30 21:18:55 so my suggestion would be to search for instructions on how to set up either or those on the ti psdk, or ask on the E2E forum how to setup either of those on a beaglebone black wireless running the ti psdk Mar 30 21:18:56 I used connmanctl to connect it to my wifi , but i did not boot from the micro sd card back then so it was the debian image i flashed on the BBBW Mar 30 21:19:13 yes, we've established that :P Mar 30 21:19:45 Haha yes , thanks a lot I will go buy the FTDI cable now Mar 30 21:20:03 yep, you'll almost certainly need that first Mar 30 21:20:24 Thanks a lot Mar 30 21:20:51 (in theory you might be able to configure things on the sd card in advance using your host pc, but that would require knowing exactly what to modify and where, with no way to debug what's going wrong if it doesn't work) Mar 30 21:27:48 Yea. The firewall for three hours. I could not get up and running on bots for these teachers, children, people of the night, and making-things-enthusiasts. Mar 30 21:28:08 I am surprised I did not lose it. Mar 30 21:28:56 Now, this image of me being depressed w/ my BBB is etched in my mind. No! Mar 30 21:29:23 Oh well. Move on to "fight" another day. Mar 30 21:29:51 aw, that sucks Mar 30 21:30:50 Yep. That was my text message. Maker Faire Sucks! Mar 30 21:30:59 But. I cannot blame them. Mar 30 21:31:13 It was the hosting site that allowed maker faire in and it was their routers. Mar 30 21:31:26 Local-yocals. Mar 30 21:32:04 Done whinning for now. Mar 30 21:32:06 Phew! Mar 30 21:59:15 what does step 4a do? Mar 30 21:59:52 ehm, just read the instructions yourself? Mar 30 22:01:57 what is the bbb actually doing? it seems useless Mar 30 22:02:29 if you have to have a laptop either way why bother Mar 30 22:02:56 oh I didn't even bother reading up on the overall goal Mar 30 22:03:42 the should show the bbb connected to a router and then it is doing something Mar 30 22:03:54 they should Mar 30 22:04:08 ti stuff is so convoluted Mar 30 22:04:20 where do you get the impression you need a host pc, other than to initially set up the beaglebone? Mar 30 22:04:40 "Task 4b: Prepare the PC host. If you are using a BeagleBone Black as a host, please skip this task" Mar 30 22:04:49 http://dev.ti.com/tirex/content/simplelink_academy_cc13x0sdk_1_12_01_16/modules/154-stack_03_linux_project_0/resources/embedded_host.jpg Mar 30 22:05:02 http://dev.ti.com/tirex/content/simplelink_academy_cc13x0sdk_1_12_01_16/modules/154-stack_03_linux_project_0/resources/pc_host.jpg Mar 30 22:05:08 both have a latptop in the mix Mar 30 22:05:38 I mean, to run a web browser to check up on your device Mar 30 22:06:03 the difference seems pretty obvious to me Mar 30 22:06:24 you are a wizard though Mar 30 22:07:00 without the beaglebone, your laptop is running the software that manages the sensors and collects data from them, and has to be continuously on and in range of the sensors to be able to collect data Mar 30 22:07:03 i hate all that TI "Simeplink crap" Mar 30 22:07:47 shoving TI Bios down your throat Mar 30 22:07:51 as opposed to having the beaglebone do that, and being able to check the results using a web browser Mar 30 22:09:25 (the gateway may obviously also do completely different kinds of tasks, I'm just using sensor data collection as example, as they do) Mar 30 23:14:12 Hi Matt, are you still there? Mar 30 23:16:05 in general you should just ask your question instead of asking whether a specific person is here, since the latter only reduces your chances of getting help. plenty of knowledgable people here (although they may be in various timezones and only glance at chat occasionally, so it can take time to get a response. always have patience) Mar 30 23:32:46 Hi Matt, I went to try and buy and FTDI cable from local stores but I was not able to find it , looks like I am going to have to order it online, in reference to step 4a in the following project http://dev.ti.com/tirex/content/simplelink_academy_cc13x0sdk_1_12_01_16/modules/154-stack_03_linux_project_0/154-stack_03_linux_project_0.html#task-4a-prepare-the-embedded-host Mar 30 23:34:52 Do you think the following cable https://www.amazon.com/Converter-Terminated-Galileo-BeagleBone-Minnowboard/dp/B06ZYPLFNB/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3SW00PCCWFK2Y&keywords=ftdi+cable+3.3v&qid=1553987737&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011&rnid=2470954011&rps=1&s=gateway&sprefix=ftdi+cable+3.3%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-3 would serve my purpose? I am at a stage where I can no longer make mistakes and would like your help on that please Mar 30 23:38:11 I mean, probably, although I've never heard of the manufacturer. if you want to be 100% sure, why not just buy the actual ftdi cable itself from one of the many resellers listed on the page I pointed you to Mar 30 23:39:27 (manufacturer part number "TTL-232R-3V3") Mar 30 23:40:08 instead of some random cable on amazon Mar 30 23:40:49 Sure I was just worried that they won't ship it asap , I am looking at Digikey now Mar 30 23:42:00 I have a deadline I am trying to finish this project before next weekend Mar 30 23:42:17 sounds like sub-optimal planning :) Mar 30 23:43:43 you could always buy more than one cable to be sure, if your haste justifies the expense. you can also try to use another beaglebone or other embedded system as a way to access the serial console (I'm not feeling like guiding you through that process though) Mar 30 23:44:35 i've had good luck with https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9717 and https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12977, depending on if you need the full header pins. Mar 30 23:44:39 True , But I had to learn so many things along the way which took me more time and it was unplanned Mar 30 23:45:20 What is the shipping time from your experience? Mar 30 23:45:37 not overnight, but reasonable if you order during business hours Mar 30 23:45:55 also don't know where you're shipping to Mar 30 23:47:02 i started ordering from sparkfun because other random vendors frequently had cloned FTDI chips without a unique serial and such Mar 30 23:47:24 and when you're plugging in 20-30 usb serial adapters, you want a unique serial Mar 30 23:47:42 I think all of the links at https://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial#Standard_FTDI_Cable are real ones though? Mar 30 23:48:09 Shipping to Dallas Texas Mar 30 23:48:16 actually the adafruit one is an obvious clone :/ Mar 30 23:48:27 i imagine if they weren't, they should get removed Mar 30 23:48:29 ah but they state they don't use cloned chips Mar 30 23:51:26 Vagrantc Do you know if there are options for shipping quick? Mar 30 23:51:48 adafruit does I think Mar 30 23:52:15 but the easiest way to find out is "try it and see" Mar 30 23:52:20 EngineerNeil: https://www.sparkfun.com/support#ShippingPolicy Mar 30 23:52:35 if you don't like the shipping options offered by one site you simply try another Mar 30 23:52:43 i am not in any way affiliated with sparkfun, for the record, just had good experiences with them :) Mar 30 23:53:22 Thank you I understand Mar 30 23:53:54 I'm just waiting to confirm I am going to get funded and I think I will order it through them and go with your recommendation :) Mar 30 23:55:58 a usb-serial device is a handy thing to have lying around anyway if you're going to do anything in embedded systems Mar 30 23:56:43 you might not need it often, but it sucks to not have one when you do need it Mar 30 23:56:51 it's kind of foolish not to have a usb-serial device around if there's any chance you might need to debug something :) Mar 30 23:58:02 this thing is also quite nice, although they're no longer sold => https://www.tindie.com/products/spirilis/beaglebone-black-ftdi-friction-fit/ Mar 31 00:02:40 This is my first time working with them and hopefully from now on there will be a lot more I developing interest in it right now I am working on my senior design project Mar 31 00:04:51 So what is the differene between the 2 cables yo showed me VagrantC Mar 31 00:08:45 the difference should be obvious from the product photos Mar 31 00:11:23 one is a 6-pin header, the other has separate leads. the latter is more flexible to connect to devices (which might not use the same 6-pin header), but is more hassle to connect (with more opportunities for mistakes) Mar 31 00:12:30 the one with separate leads also lack hardware flow-control lines (cts/rts), although this is not relevant for the beaglebone Mar 31 00:55:05 Yes I am going to go with the 6-pin header but my supervisor still did not get back to my email so I still didn't put in the order **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 31 02:59:58 2019