**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 24 02:59:57 2019 Jun 24 04:16:00 veremitz: TI does have this cute SoC => http://www.ti.com/general/docs/datasheetdiagram.tsp?genericPartNumber=66AK2E05&diagramId=41463 Jun 24 10:02:37 so, pi4 has usb3 :) Jun 24 10:03:30 seconds out .. Jun 24 10:06:59 what else has that ? Just jetson ? Jun 24 10:24:51 the x15 has usb3, bbai will have it Jun 24 10:25:33 yay Jun 24 10:26:10 pity about the ai monica but meh :) Jun 24 10:27:46 ? Jun 24 10:29:19 ai overhyped imo. machine learning is a better name. Monica = moniker = slang for name Jun 24 10:29:38 bbml ? Jun 24 10:29:42 oh... *shrug* it's just a name Jun 24 10:29:51 yeah, capability more important Jun 24 10:32:24 interested to know .. I categorise current 'ai' as similar to an 'expert system' but with somewhat automated training. But someone somewhere is probably doing a better approximation .. i'd love to hear of something that actively enquires rather than passively looking for patterns. Is there such a thing ? Jun 24 10:32:41 So I cn be less cynical :) Jun 24 16:22:49 well, somebody screwed up, the emergency phone number (112) is currently unavailable nationwide in the netherlands Jun 24 16:23:27 whoops :-/ Jun 24 16:25:04 just drive over to germany ... it isnt that far ... Jun 24 16:52:44 apparently it's related to one of the major dutch telco companies having some issues with their telephony and 4G networks: https://allestoringen.nl/storing/kpn/kaart/ Jun 24 16:54:46 sounds familiar, wonder if it will also turn out to be broken switch equipment like in north america Jun 24 17:17:51 this is getting sadder by the moment... just received another cell broadcast alert containing a correction for the WhatsApp number you can use to reach the police in emergency... turns out that the one in the previous alert belonged to a newspaper, not the police Jun 24 17:38:18 zmatt wow... at least they corrected it. You would think they would check it before sending it out. However I've noticed very few people take the time to do things correctly these days. It's not me being mean, just seems to be how people think. "we can always fix it if it's wrong" mentality Jun 24 17:43:18 I feel like this is not the sort of mistake you should ever make when you're sending millions of people an emergency alert Jun 24 17:44:05 not to mention that sending the wrong contact info for emergencies could itself result in loss of life Jun 24 17:59:21 Still rocking my A2 black Jun 24 18:01:15 XFaCE: ? the first BBB prototype release was A4 Jun 24 18:09:04 A5 Jun 24 18:09:06 My bad Jun 24 18:09:30 there's no A5 either :P Jun 24 18:11:11 I still have my A5A though I haven't used it in ages Jun 24 18:15:23 Its either A5A or B Jun 24 18:15:34 A5B* Jun 24 18:16:20 My mistake was not buying the serial to USB cable at the beginning Jun 24 18:18:28 it's rarely needed, but when you do need it it sucks to not have one Jun 24 18:43:05 zmatt: regarding emergency number, I didn't say it wasn't a bad thing to do, I just mentioned I had noticed terrible decisions have been more common of late. See Boeing 777 dream liner, 737max for an example. Jun 24 18:56:26 you don't have a national number zmatt ? Jun 24 18:56:34 112 is europe-wide as far as I know Jun 24 18:58:02 pretty sure 112 would even work in the US if I were to use my phone there. just because the number itself is standardized doesn't mean it isn't also the national number Jun 24 18:58:36 regardless, other national emergency numbers were equally affected Jun 24 19:09:15 (to clarify, 112 does not connect you to some european callcenter or something, it connects you to the emergency dispatch of whichever country you are in) Jun 24 19:17:19 yes Jun 24 19:22:56 zmatt: that chip looks nice .. bet its expensive though Jun 24 19:23:44 around $100 (@ 1k units) Jun 24 19:25:10 hmm what cna I do with 999 spare chips .. lol Jun 24 19:26:35 $132.30 @ 1 unit Jun 24 19:26:39 I guess there's ebay :D Jun 24 19:28:32 of course then you'll still need a pcb for it... it's a 1089-ball BGA (0.8 mm pitch) Jun 24 19:31:45 ah 0.8mm is OK ;P Jun 24 19:31:57 but I don't fancy routing the RAM/etc :D Jun 24 19:32:48 it's merely 72-bit wide DDR3-1600 :D Jun 24 19:33:07 ah thats not *so* bad then :P lolol Jun 24 19:33:25 That's what an auto router is for no? Jun 24 19:33:52 ah, yes, always trust the auto-router Jun 24 19:34:12 along with always trust Microsoft? Jun 24 19:37:23 oklahoma guarantee too!? Jun 24 19:38:32 If you drop food on the ground always follow the 5 second rule! Honestly it won't be dirty! Jun 24 19:38:33 veremitz: there's also this cutie: http://www.ti.com/general/docs/datasheetdiagram.tsp?genericPartNumber=66AK2H14&diagramId=46562 less ethernet ports, but it does have 8 DSPs Jun 24 19:38:59 it's a bit pricey though Jun 24 20:01:15 wtf lol Jun 24 20:22:36 m/buffer 7 Jun 24 23:45:12 112 connects to the local dispatcher? so how does it work say in Belgium near the boards? Jun 24 23:45:41 seems like it'd have the same issue with 911 in the US trying to connect with the local PD Jun 24 23:45:58 not local afaik, national Jun 24 23:47:15 and it'll depend on whether your cellphone is on a dutch or a belgian network when you call 112. if both are available then it'll prefer your home network over roaming I'd presume Jun 24 23:48:00 so carriers there have subcarriers (i.e. Orange-FR, Orange-BE) with different id codes? Jun 24 23:49:05 I have no idea what carriers are available in belgium, I don't live near the border Jun 24 23:49:41 I mean in general...was trying to think of a small country where you are likely to be able to see multiple country's towers Jun 24 23:50:52 if you're very close to the border you presumably can Jun 24 23:53:39 it's not like one tower covers a whole country or something :P there are 17592 LTE 4G towers in the netherlands (according to http://www.gsmmasten.nl/ ) Jun 24 23:54:43 yes but does it make sense to duplicate towers on bothsides of a border? Or do those tower announce 2 different networks (which would require each country be considered its own network) Jun 24 23:56:39 I don't know if there's any co-location of dutch and belgian networks on towers very close to the borders... I don't exclude the possibility Jun 25 00:59:31 It's likely there are lease agreements cell towers are segmented and fairly directions with the signal. Also companies lease bands on the towers it's very expensive to maintain those beasts. Considering the complexity and costs each tower has. They have to link into the backbone of the network too (the towers). Jun 25 01:02:09 directions == directional Jun 25 01:44:16 GenTooMan: but how does that help them? if the towers point only into 1 country, then they'd need 2 sets of towers near the border Jun 25 02:00:18 you'll probably find that happens Jun 25 02:00:29 you'd still need two sets of copper/microwave links for the downstream end Jun 25 02:00:45 even contracts to share towers cross-borders is gonna be hell Jun 25 02:01:58 I think most comms over 500MHz uses beam-forming technology anyway Jun 25 02:02:15 its slowly coming into consumer wifi as the tech cheapens Jun 25 02:36:14 ds2 not exactly how it works, think a circle and divide it into sections the antennae project a specific direction to isolate a frequency from adjacent directions. This allows thousands of channels on a single tower because channel reuse is much easier. Carriers license the spectra (bands) and so multiple carriers can be on a single tower. The towers are obviously MIMO then all that data is integrated using based band Jun 25 02:36:14 processors across the bands of the specific carrier. LTE is very wide band however it also has narrow band options (LTE-M1 for example). **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 25 03:00:38 2019