**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 17 02:59:57 2020 Mar 17 03:26:24 I think some of the weekly builds are just that, i.e. weekly builds for testing. Oops. Mar 17 03:28:35 Jon43: Did you ever get your UVC cam up and running? Mar 17 03:30:18 I had a shell script somewhere to make the cam work on boot but I need to get the other board first. I will update you if you do not leave. Mar 17 03:30:48 Wifi up! Mar 17 03:31:17 Good ole, bbb.io/latest-images! Mar 17 03:46:53 Jon43: Use this paste if you clone the github repo I mentioned. It will start your uvc capable webcam. https://pastebin.com/y4yZA4Fe. Mar 17 03:47:13 Simple and useful... Mar 17 03:49:25 I am sure you know but you can also run that command alone on the command line. Mar 17 05:15:27 @zmatt: This made me think of what you always tell me... Mar 17 05:15:32 https://pastebin.com/p3E0uWtf Mar 17 15:17:50 m Mar 17 20:44:30 Good evening, Mar 17 20:44:50 Has someone run OpenBSD on the beagle black ? Mar 17 20:45:22 jfsimon1981: it's very uncommon, but there are people who have experience with that yeah Mar 17 20:45:47 Ok Mar 17 20:46:06 kremlin: ping ;-) Mar 17 20:46:14 sup Mar 17 20:46:19 jfsimon1981: yes Mar 17 20:46:35 that was quick Mar 17 20:47:27 At some point I'd like to make a NAS server from a beagle and OpenBSD. Mar 17 20:48:36 well the good news is that the beaglebone's ethernet is slow enough that you won't notice how slow its storage is :D Mar 17 20:50:00 From the external USB so indeed the ethernet limits. Mar 17 20:50:21 I'm already using at storage, works well, transfert rate is about 6 m/s Mar 17 20:51:43 so ehm did you have a question or did I summon kremlin for nothing? :P Mar 17 20:51:49 jfsimon1981: cool, i have worked *a lot* with am335x on openbsd, i wrote the display drive amdisplay(4), let me know if you have any issues Mar 17 20:52:46 Thank you Mar 17 20:53:47 does OpenBSD provide a PRU interface? Mar 17 20:54:12 Is this display driver also for Linux or is it OpenBSD specific ? Mar 17 20:54:41 jfsimon1981: linux already had a driver (tilcdc) Mar 17 20:54:54 and generally speaking, drivers are OS-specific Mar 17 20:56:45 That's great. I don't know, regarding PRU, There are available drivers listed here Mar 17 20:56:46 https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.6/armv7/INSTALL.armv7 Mar 17 20:57:23 at least com, watchdog, ethernet, gpio, Mar 17 20:57:43 I know kremlin did some work on a pru driver but had trouble getting it accepted upstream because of security implications Mar 17 20:57:53 (because PRU has access to the entire system) Mar 17 20:58:17 I don't think it is that much worse then say EDMA Mar 17 20:58:28 just looks worse due to programability Mar 17 20:58:29 except userspace has no control over EDMA Mar 17 20:58:57 /dev/mem... and other shannaigans Mar 17 21:00:37 if that is the criteria...make it kernel only Mar 17 21:03:57 Why was the amdisplay developped for OpenBSD AM335x ? Whereas Linux might have been possible, what's the reason for development for bsd in your case ? Mar 17 21:04:03 ds2: it seems his lordship Theo de Raadt shot down kremlin's driver: http://openbsd-archive.7691.n7.nabble.com/armv7-introducing-tipru-4-tp299789p300121.html Mar 17 21:05:12 basically, "I don't understand this, there it must be bad" Mar 17 21:05:16 *therefore Mar 17 21:06:14 Linux has more of a G**gle infection then OpenBSD Mar 17 21:06:48 jfsimon1981: that seems like a strange question. he probably wanted to use openbsd but saw it lacked a driver for the display controller on the am335x so he wrote one Mar 17 21:08:50 I don't see a plausible scenario where someone would go "I want to write a driver for this peripheral for some OS... let's see what OS I'm going to write this for" Mar 17 21:09:10 I meant why choice for Openbsd instead of linux Mar 17 21:10:34 the infestation has very bad consequences Mar 17 21:10:43 ds2: ? Mar 17 21:10:44 I might be wrong but linux has more support, openbsd might require more work. That was the sense of thie question. Mar 17 21:16:19 Leaving for today, good night Mar 17 21:16:48 zmatt: G**gle infestation in the Linux kernel Mar 17 21:17:15 ds2: being, specifically? Mar 17 21:18:03 (also, asterisking out of part of Google's name just makes you look silly) Mar 17 21:19:09 zmatt: binder is one of them... Mar 17 21:20:33 ds2: it's an IPC mechanism.. how is it relevant who wrote it? it's only being used on andoird anyway, although the need for a better IPC mechanism has been felt often enough (see also kdbus) Mar 17 21:22:07 zmatt: there are more and more tweaks for android Mar 17 21:22:44 yeah theo didn't like the pru driver Mar 17 21:22:46 full memory access Mar 17 21:22:58 not exactly compatible with high security operating system Mar 17 21:24:07 kremlin: having said that, it seems like noone tried to explain to him the point of pru, the fact that it is intended to user code (where this user already has full control over the platform anyway) Mar 17 21:24:29 it doesn't have more serious securit implications than /dev/mem Mar 17 21:24:30 i was told not to Mar 17 21:24:37 there is sometimes no reaching that guy Mar 17 21:24:49 our /dev/mem is functionally disabled anyway Mar 17 21:24:56 you were told to not try to explain it to him? Mar 17 21:25:01 .... wow Mar 17 21:25:01 yes Mar 17 21:25:18 for me that would be cue to abandon ship Mar 17 21:25:26 it's complicated Mar 17 21:25:45 it really isn't Mar 17 21:25:45 he is one of the best programmers in the universe, but he has a lot of, "personality" you sometimes have to work around Mar 17 21:27:27 kremlin, so why if I'm permitted the question, did you use openbsd instead of linux for your project ? Mar 17 21:27:38 i prefer openbsd Mar 17 21:27:44 ok Mar 17 21:39:30 a good enough reason at least. :D Mar 17 21:40:24 kremlin: what's your reason for OpenBSD vs all the other BSDs? Mar 17 21:40:42 freebsd is basically linux, and netbsd is categorically worse Mar 17 21:40:47 dragonflybsd is cool but only as a novelty Mar 17 21:40:54 also, i am an openbsd developer **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 18 02:59:58 2020