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Apr 08 03:01:52 <GenTooMan> kenunix you've repeated the same thing 2 times now at 21:24 22:24 and now 22:42 ...
Apr 08 03:27:22 <KenUnix> Good night
Apr 08 03:29:35 <set_> Okay.
Apr 08 03:29:56 <set_> So, I changed the port numbering system in the nginx conf. files under sites-available.
Apr 08 03:30:05 <set_> WE shall see.
Apr 08 03:30:07 <GenTooMan> hmm have a weird problem. what is the power limit one should put on a cape? 50W something like 12V 5 A?
Apr 08 03:30:17 <set_> I am rebooting now.
Apr 08 03:30:18 <set_> Oh.
Apr 08 03:30:32 <set_> It depends.
Apr 08 03:30:36 <set_> Say, this.
Apr 08 03:31:16 <GenTooMan> well 4 banks of 8 servos each is a lot of power.
Apr 08 03:31:22 <set_> GenTooMan: I have no way to tell if I do not see what you are doing.
Apr 08 03:31:24 <GenTooMan> needed that is.
Apr 08 03:31:55 <set_> I mean, at each joint, measure the input voltage until you are done w/ the circuit.
Apr 08 03:31:57 <set_> Right?
Apr 08 03:32:01 <GenTooMan> I was thinking 2A per 5V bank 10W per back with 20% margin hence 50W minimum.
Apr 08 03:32:14 <set_> Okay. You are the boss, matey.
Apr 08 03:32:36 <GenTooMan> heh GOK (God Only Knows everything :D)
Apr 08 03:32:53 <set_> I know that, man. It is not what I am saying.
Apr 08 03:33:41 <set_> I am saying, "Each different component needs to be measured for ohms, wattage, voltage before you can move on to the next piece.
Apr 08 03:34:13 <set_> Right?
Apr 08 03:36:32 <set_> Hey. GenTooMan: I got some nice video feeds now.
Apr 08 03:36:39 <set_> I just cannot get this bot to move anymore.
Apr 08 03:36:57 <set_> The video feed is from the BOt but the servos and dc motors are not working yet.
Apr 08 03:37:33 <set_> Okay.
Apr 08 03:37:38 <set_> So, you need ideas. GOt it.
Apr 08 03:38:27 <set_> If the BBB only handles, by itself, a 5W amount at once from vdd_5v, there should be a 5v source of so many amps.
Apr 08 03:38:47 <set_> But...this amount of amps is not known to me. I do not quite know enough to just pull out the correct book on this one.
Apr 08 03:44:37 <GenTooMan> how about using some math on the problem IE calculate what you need?
Apr 08 03:46:07 <set_> What are you doing to me? You are making me have to be smarter than I want to be right now or ever. I always wanted to make a Cape but I know nothing about the Cape you are putting together.
Apr 08 04:01:27 <set_> I got the webcam to work on boot w/ a server. Nice. Now, to get these darn motors to work. Sheesh.
Apr 08 19:30:00 <sicelo> cu
Apr 08 21:48:08 <set_> The bot is back in health.
Apr 08 21:48:17 <set_> A notion for update land.
Apr 08 21:48:43 <set_> And now w/ computer vision!
Apr 08 23:58:02 <GenTooMan> I just can't see it ..
Apr 08 23:58:04 <GenTooMan> :D
Apr 09 00:32:42 <set_> Hello GenTooMan...My bot can record itself moving down the path of least resistance.
Apr 09 00:35:38 <set_> I am currently trying to figure out how to port ArduCopter to Python3 but it is way large for just me.
Apr 09 00:36:05 <set_> It keeps complaining. Python2, Python2, Python2.
Apr 09 00:41:21 <set_> I am just going to build it w/ python2, against what @zmatt stands to believe, and see if it works w/ the newer image.
Apr 09 00:41:33 <set_> No offense, sir.
Apr 09 00:52:28 <set_> GenTooMan: If you are still working on this Cape thing you are in charge of doing, I will help. Send any relative info. to me.
Apr 09 00:52:29 <set_> ...
Apr 09 00:52:40 <set_> I will try it out and see what i can configure. Send guidance too.
Apr 09 00:54:07 <set_> Guidance would be something like, "Where you started, steps taken, and where you are located in the project."
Apr 09 00:54:22 <set_> I can probably figure some things out if necessary.
Apr 09 00:54:22 <GenTooMan> so some relative info my uncle is 94? :D
Apr 09 00:54:30 <set_> No.
Apr 09 00:54:31 <set_> Ha.
Apr 09 00:54:36 * GenTooMan laughs heinously.
Apr 09 00:54:51 <set_> I always rhyme w/ that word.
Apr 09 00:55:00 <set_> But, not today.
Apr 09 00:55:11 <GenTooMan> ahem sorry couldn't resist a pitiful pun and a mindless metaphor.
Apr 09 00:55:25 <set_> Yea boy. Hey, seriously.
Apr 09 00:55:46 <GenTooMan> have you checked if a python3 arducopter variant works?
Apr 09 00:56:00 <GenTooMan> second have you run 2to3 to see what needs changed?
Apr 09 00:56:00 <set_> Are you still working on it? I am asking b/c you asked me a question and I thought about how i can provide assistance.
Apr 09 00:56:02 <set_> Yes.
Apr 09 00:56:13 <set_> It is not listed as working.
Apr 09 00:56:24 <set_> And no...I have not run 2to3 yet.
Apr 09 00:56:40 <set_> I can see in the compilation some starter issues.
Apr 09 00:57:26 <GenTooMan> well the latter will give you a diff along with hints of how much work is needed. Most 2to3 are easy but with library dependencies things get complicated fast.
Apr 09 00:58:02 <set_> Right. Plus the loaded git clone is full of a makefile, waf, and other related files.
Apr 09 00:58:08 <set_> Lots and lots of dirs. and files.
Apr 09 00:58:24 <set_> It will take a good portion of a year w/ just me.
Apr 09 00:58:58 <GenTooMan> let me restate that so people who aren't skipping twenty words and entire sentences can follow.  Most 2to3 simple program conversions are easy. Anything with python 2 library dependencies gets complicated fast.
Apr 09 00:59:17 <set_> Okay.
Apr 09 00:59:34 <set_> The entire set of tools is python2 dependent.
Apr 09 00:59:42 <set_> So far.
Apr 09 00:59:53 <set_> I have not seen a new release w/ Python3 supported.
Apr 09 01:00:45 * GenTooMan pauses set_'s mind and looks up arducopter and returns the next day talking about virtual OpenGL simulations instead.
Apr 09 01:01:02 <set_> The frsky source could not compile. Dang it. I have a good ratio for now w/ compilation versus busts.
Apr 09 01:01:03 <set_> Ha.
Apr 09 01:01:40 <set_> I am done w/ the maker faire b/c it did not exist this year. Again, I am discussing this fact. So, now it is project time.
Apr 09 01:02:21 <set_> GenTooMan: I have never got the ArduCopter drone from the BBBlue flying. I got it to hop, skip, and jump only.
Apr 09 01:02:46 <set_> Oh and twirl too but you did not hear that from me.
Apr 09 01:03:08 <GenTooMan> so you are using ardupilot to do things?
Apr 09 01:03:14 <set_> Fly. Yes.
Apr 09 01:03:27 <set_> W/ the BBBlue.
Apr 09 01:04:46 <set_> https://www.hackster.io/functt/this-drone-w-a-bbblue-and-ardupilot-arducopter-0ee27b <<< my journey for two years before the Maker Faire bot making.
Apr 09 01:05:05 <set_> Do not laugh.
Apr 09 01:05:46 <GenTooMan> right so you weren't speaking about python and arducopter you were speaking of python running ardupilot
Apr 09 01:10:29 <set_> Oh. Well...the people put the ardupilot source on the BBB. One of the lower level sources of ArduPilot is arducopter.
Apr 09 01:10:46 <set_> I mean, I guess you are right. I do not understand it that way.
Apr 09 01:11:59 <set_> it is c++ stuff that is compiled via waf, a python compilation tool.
Apr 09 01:12:50 <set_> I know this is old news but it is still a viable option for flight w/ the BBBlue.
Apr 09 01:13:06 <set_> "Keep it alive," says .service files.
Apr 09 01:13:32 <GenTooMan> right I am just following the trail of debris I mean bread crumbs :D
Apr 09 01:14:35 <set_> Ha. I know. I have a difficult time communicating what I need you to know.
Apr 09 01:15:44 <set_> Anyway, there is no reason for you to delve into this source unless you are prepared for years of ideas, contact, and witnessing.
Apr 09 01:16:12 <set_> I just thought I would bring it up again to see where people, if anyone, stands on this issue.
Apr 09 01:17:45 <set_> On another note, do you think I could make this work w/ the BBB: https://github.com/ROBOTIS-GIT/DynamixelSDK?
Apr 09 01:18:00 <GenTooMan> Let me state a fact, no new development past 2014 for anything python 2 should have been done. So if they used python 2 ... that makes me question the rest of the code.
Apr 09 01:18:29 <set_> They have a new rc, i.e. 4.x.x. I was using 3.6.x.
Apr 09 01:18:57 <set_> B/c of a guide I found online, rc 3.6.x was used.
Apr 09 01:19:32 <set_> I have no idea if the people kept up to date w/ things or just trashed the idea they came up to bring to the BBBlue and roboticsCape.
Apr 09 01:21:49 <GenTooMan> Dynamixel is a kind of an API not an actual control system.
Apr 09 01:22:05 <set_> Hmm.
Apr 09 01:22:16 <set_> They make servos too.
Apr 09 01:23:07 <GenTooMan> Ok... but it's a packet based control protocol ...
Apr 09 01:23:37 <GenTooMan> Ardupilot appears to be written in C++ (smirk).
Apr 09 01:23:41 <set_> Right.
Apr 09 01:23:51 <set_> Right about ArduPilot.
Apr 09 01:23:55 <GenTooMan> So ... what do you need python for?
Apr 09 01:24:01 <set_> waf
Apr 09 01:24:05 <set_> the compilation of it.
Apr 09 01:24:15 <set_> pip for installing future.
Apr 09 01:24:24 <set_> python2 for the waf compiliation tool.
Apr 09 01:24:38 <set_> I will show you what was described online.
Apr 09 01:25:40 <set_> https://pastebin.com/1mj4Q4UU
Apr 09 01:25:53 <set_> Those are the steps of compilation.
Apr 09 01:25:57 <GenTooMan> I question their sanity using a non standard tool
Apr 09 01:26:25 <set_> I know but it was their choice b/c of whatever reasoning. I got familiar w/ waf b/c of it.
Apr 09 01:26:37 <set_> I started to learn about it years ago and just dived into it again.
Apr 09 01:27:50 <set_> waf is not so bad, I guess. But, I would assume cmake or make would have been a better choice to people using C/C++.
Apr 09 01:28:12 <KenUnix> set_ Look at zmatt's & my 'c' example. Little bit of work add multi-relay support. No libraries to worry about or copyright issues. And it's portable. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Apr 09 01:28:37 <set_> Okay.
Apr 09 01:28:57 <set_> I will look. KenUnix: Right now, I am badgering GenTooMan on ArduPilot for some reason.
Apr 09 01:29:05 <GenTooMan> Cmake is a better choice for building a c++ program anyday. Using python is nuts.
Apr 09 01:29:19 <set_> GenTooMan: Did you look up waf.io?
Apr 09 01:29:27 <set_> It seems simple but I guess you are right.
Apr 09 01:30:47 <KenUnix> set_ learn a little 'c' . Then simply  ccc source.c
Apr 09 01:30:51 <GenTooMan> Well a lot of people use something neat, which is OK if only you are using it. However when someone else gets involved, use some discipline and learn to share build suites like an adult people. Sorry python community is not on my good side for a few years now.
Apr 09 01:31:50 <set_> Oh.
Apr 09 01:31:52 <GenTooMan> rust is just as annoying "lets create Yet Another Build System" YABS :D
Apr 09 01:31:57 <set_> Understood.
Apr 09 01:32:06 <set_> YABS?
Apr 09 01:32:08 <KenUnix> set_ learn a little 'c' . Then simply  cc source.c  No fancy libraries should work on BBB, BBW, BBB-AI
Apr 09 01:32:55 <set_> Okay.
Apr 09 01:33:09 <GenTooMan> yeah...  kenunix has a point. My only concern might be dependencies. I wonder... let me check
Apr 09 01:33:45 <set_> GenTooMan: Dependencies...python-pip w/ pip install future.
Apr 09 01:33:59 <set_> There is a library called future that is supposedly needed.
Apr 09 01:34:32 <set_> And...the future library that is needed has a version that is only used in Python2 that is used.
Apr 09 01:34:37 <KenUnix> et_ see here https://paste.debian.net/1139227/  Also exchanging messages I have uploaded many files with tips and hints and commands
Apr 09 01:34:49 <set_> I saw them.
Apr 09 01:34:54 <set_> I will look it over soon.
Apr 09 01:35:00 <GenTooMan> Cmake has a .waf tool also.
Apr 09 01:35:04 <set_> Hmm.
Apr 09 01:35:07 <GenTooMan> :D
Apr 09 01:35:09 <GenTooMan> https://pythonhosted.org/waftools/_modules/waftools/cmake.html
Apr 09 01:35:51 <GenTooMan> written in python (shock)
Apr 09 01:36:09 <set_> 2016. I am trying to update things and not revert back to older days.
Apr 09 01:36:12 <set_> There is a way!
Apr 09 01:37:14 <set_> The new image processes faster compared to the older image.
Apr 09 01:42:20 <set_> I might just try the rc 4.0 from ArduPilot this time. Last time I tried it for the BBBlue, I got ramrodded into a poor comp.
Apr 09 01:42:57 <set_> I could have two on deck just in case. RC 3.6 and 4.0.
Apr 09 01:46:26 <KenUnix> If you download the relay script get this exersizer program for the relays https://paste.debian.net/1139228/
Apr 09 01:47:10 <set_> KenUnix: I am sort of busy w/ being backlogged w/ work on this BBBlue. I am not trying to scare you away from me but...
Apr 09 01:47:28 <set_> I cannot get this comp. to comp. right.
Apr 09 01:47:51 <KenUnix> You have a BB-Blue I thought you had a BBB and a BBw?
Apr 09 01:48:00 <set_> I am a collector of BBBs!
Apr 09 01:48:11 <set_> Well, and the other family boards.
Apr 09 01:48:39 <KenUnix> Like me a collector of fine toilet paper =D =D
Apr 09 01:48:57 <set_> Ha. I guess. Toilet paper in this day and age is very important.
Apr 09 01:49:37 <KenUnix> That's an old joke "fine toilet paper" :b :b
Apr 09 01:49:41 <set_> I am 708 out of 833 done.
Apr 09 01:49:53 <set_> I cannot wait to test it.
Apr 09 01:49:58 <set_> Oh.
Apr 09 01:50:09 <GenTooMan> well it's sort of new again because of hording of toilet paper
Apr 09 01:50:16 <set_> Right.
Apr 09 01:50:56 <KenUnix> So come clean who is Mala?
Apr 09 01:51:04 <set_> Mala? Me.
Apr 09 01:51:13 <set_> maladies.
Apr 09 01:51:27 <KenUnix> Mala means Seth (_)
Apr 09 01:51:30 <set_> No.
Apr 09 01:51:39 <GenTooMan> not malediction
Apr 09 01:51:48 <set_> mala is the first name.
Apr 09 01:52:00 <set_> dies is the second name. together, it is maladies.
Apr 09 01:52:02 <set_> There.
Apr 09 01:52:44 <KenUnix> OK. So how does Seth fit in?  Forget it I'm too nosey '=( '=(
Apr 09 01:52:50 <set_> In member function 'bool NavEKF3::InitialiseFilter()': <<< This keeps coming up in comp. and it is annoying. What does it mean?
Apr 09 01:53:03 <set_> I guess there is a bug.
Apr 09 01:53:13 <set_> Seth. That is me.
Apr 09 01:53:18 <set_> I am me.
Apr 09 01:53:45 <GenTooMan> set_ paste the warning or error into wastebin I mean pastebin
Apr 09 01:53:57 <KenUnix> Me nosey too many names...-_- -_-
Apr 09 01:54:04 <set_> Sheesh. Guys.
Apr 09 01:54:13 <set_> What are you two trying to do to me?
Apr 09 01:54:24 <set_> Did I upset someone above you that sent you?
Apr 09 01:55:11 <set_> ...
Apr 09 01:55:17 <KenUnix> Just think of me as that 4MM Dat Tape
Apr 09 01:55:31 <set_> Otay!
Apr 09 01:56:44 <set_> GenTooMan: Do not worry about it.
Apr 09 01:57:32 <set_> ArduPilot has a parachute release, .cpp file for use. Ha.
Apr 09 01:57:39 <set_> That is neat.
Apr 09 01:58:55 <KenUnix> Ever use  abiword?
Apr 09 02:00:54 <KenUnix> I ran it against a large file on BBB and BBB went into loop. CPU led stayed on. Could not even issue a kill. Small files were ok.
Apr 09 02:03:30 <set_> Nope.
Apr 09 02:06:33 <GenTooMan> with only 1/2 gig you are better served using less resource hungry programs I would guess.
Apr 09 02:09:07 <KenUnix> unfortunately it was a docx file
Apr 09 02:09:59 <KenUnix> you guys have vim on your main machines?
Apr 09 02:11:28 <KenUnix> There are versions for Linux, Mac and Windoze
Apr 09 02:12:11 <KenUnix> I find it nice to be able to use same app across platforms
Apr 09 02:21:52 <set_> Yep.
Apr 09 02:22:52 <set_> I think vim comes preinstalled on debian.
Apr 09 02:24:38 <KenUnix> Not all distro's
Apr 09 02:24:48 <GenTooMan> I suggest nano instead
Apr 09 02:25:29 <GenTooMan> nano is installed by default unless you purposefully remove it.
Apr 09 02:26:38 <KenUnix> I have used nano. Unfortunately I go too far back using vi
Apr 09 02:27:36 <KenUnix> yy, pp, :wq , :q!, a , copy patse
Apr 09 02:28:57 <GenTooMan> just try vi instead?
Apr 09 02:30:37 <set_> I always wanted to learn emacs.
Apr 09 02:30:44 <set_> Send handouts!
Apr 09 02:31:44 <KenUnix> Well on Debian it's vim
Apr 09 02:31:55 <KenUnix> Same thing
Apr 09 02:32:20 <KenUnix> emacs ouch like teco
Apr 09 02:33:21 <KenUnix> set_ while you at it learn nroff
Apr 09 02:33:39 <set_> I am too cool for school.
Apr 09 02:33:55 <set_> nroff?
Apr 09 02:34:01 <KenUnix> coooooooooooooooolX-P X-P
Apr 09 02:34:06 <set_> Never once have I heard of it.
Apr 09 02:34:25 <KenUnix> which nroff or teco
Apr 09 02:35:29 <set_> either/both
Apr 09 02:36:29 <GenTooMan> I just had a very strange musical experience... that's all I can really say.
Apr 09 02:37:01 <KenUnix> teco was a screwy editor/formatter from the 70's. nroff is a text formatter for unix/linux to produce formattted documents siutable for making 'man' pages and books.
Apr 09 02:37:03 <GenTooMan> I hate emacs... not pasionately but just hate it.
Apr 09 02:39:24 <set_> Why do you hate emacs?
Apr 09 02:42:12 <KenUnix> See  http://cmd.inp.nsk.su/old/cmd2/manuals/unix/UNIX_Unleashed/ch08.htm
Apr 09 02:45:11 <KenUnix> See akso, very powerful  https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1158
Apr 09 02:53:32 <set_> Okay. Using python2 now.
Apr 09 02:53:52 <set_> I am rebuilding the entire set up w/ waf again. Blah. Have your laughs.
Apr 09 02:56:31 <GenTooMan> can I smirk?
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