**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 19 02:59:57 2021 Feb 19 02:59:58 That will be better than graduation day for them folks. Feb 19 03:01:24 So, they need to know or have the auto bot know when to power down and when to use aux. Feb 19 03:01:45 I bet that thing is so smart. Feb 19 03:02:24 It just hovers when fully charged and then takes this panorama photo and then lands and digs and then shuts down. Feb 19 03:02:26 no it isn't but the people who programmed and designed it are. Feb 19 03:02:34 Right. Feb 19 03:02:43 I understand but the machine is the end work. Feb 19 03:02:50 Their product. Feb 19 03:02:55 don't forget this axiom however smart people do dumb things. Feb 19 03:03:14 Ha. No joke. Look at me and learning new things constantly! Feb 19 03:03:39 I would feel bad if they break their bot by flying it into a tree on Mars. Feb 19 03:03:42 Ha. Trees. Feb 19 03:03:57 Mars is like, 'What? Tree?' Feb 19 03:04:43 Thonk! Feb 19 03:04:53 It is a neat project, though. Feb 19 03:05:12 Flying, autonomous bot on Mars. Nothing better, really. Feb 19 03:05:56 and then, they just publicize it on YouTube.com of all places. Feb 19 03:06:03 Odd. Feb 19 03:06:45 I remember the challenger. I was in school and the lady dropped her bowl and she turned on the volume. Feb 19 03:06:55 i was young. Feb 19 03:07:24 The TV had color then but it was in B & W at school. Feb 19 03:07:40 It was replayed over and over on a loop. Feb 19 03:08:54 There was a school named after one of the astronauts. I went to the school once they banned me from the general pop. Feb 19 03:11:04 Right I was busy taking a test in school I think. We also didn't have TV in school. Found out when I got home. Feb 19 03:11:32 Oh. Yep. I think the right way to approach space are devices. Feb 19 03:11:34 Not humans. Feb 19 03:11:55 It's sad but that accident could have been easily avoided without devices. Feb 19 03:12:20 Yep. I never found out what caused the accident. Feb 19 03:13:46 The cause was "Oh that's happened before it's no big deal!" <-- almost literally how idiotic people get when they are "use to something". Instead of doing due dilligence and find out ways to prevent as well as repair such incidents. Feb 19 03:14:21 Right. It takes extra precautions when dealing w/ work and life. Feb 19 03:14:28 In general... Feb 19 03:14:29 It had happened several times before just this time it did real damage. Feb 19 03:14:37 Yep. Feb 19 03:15:11 GenTooMan: You told me before the reason but I forgot and never looked it up. Feb 19 03:15:13 The columbia disaster was almost the same he had to launch even though information provided him said "don't" Feb 19 03:15:33 Oh. Feb 19 03:15:57 Yea. People make moves on order. Feb 19 03:16:13 It is a shame and things should not get that convoluted but they do. Feb 19 03:16:51 "I told him to move the actuator to a safe spot. I am sorry if Brian lost his fingers due to it." Feb 19 03:17:18 Things like that instance can be avoided but b/c of heated info. and orders, this happens all too often. Feb 19 03:18:22 In any case, oversight is a good thing. That is...an overseeing body of peoples looking over specific instances, e.g. not just a group of workers handling 'biz.' Feb 19 03:18:38 Loops! Feb 19 03:19:06 No ... he wasn't ordered too he chose to this lead to the disaster. EVERY rocket launch is dangerous, you have to reduce the issues first then launch. It would have been best to use a different launch window even. Feb 19 03:22:27 complacency is really difficult to fight, people just get desensitized when nothing goes wrong for enough time Feb 19 03:23:47 Right. I think you are right. 'Well, nothing happened poorly this time and will most likely not be poor next time.' <<< That idea! Feb 19 03:26:46 the ATSB report for the uncontained engine failure of Qantas Flight 32 is an interesting read, it goes into great detail regarding the extensive procedures and internal monitoring and problem analysis/remediation in place at the engine manufacturer and how the problem nevertheless managed to escape from it Feb 19 03:27:03 the reason why nothing happened was often miraculous practically. When you become complacent you assume nothing will go wrong, then it will go wrong. Feb 19 03:30:10 the fact that QF32 had no injuries is also pretty miraculous... the Intermediate Pressure Turbine of one of the engines detached from its drive shaft and spun itself to destruction, it's pure luck none of the pieces hit the cabin (though one grazed the hull) Feb 19 03:32:51 scary. Feb 19 03:33:02 mid-flight. Scary. Feb 19 03:36:13 shortly after take-off Feb 19 03:40:11 also sort of funny that the damage to the cabling resulted in the crew being unable to shut down engine 1 (the one next to the failed engine)... in the end that engine was shut down by firefighter drowning it in foam Feb 19 03:42:48 Yikes. Feb 19 03:59:12 Okay. So, I am in am5729-beagleboneai.dts now. Feb 19 03:59:35 I do not want to build it yet, i.e. as I have to change some items in the .dts file. Feb 19 04:00:02 I am too the point in the .dts file where i found the 'touch screen.' Feb 19 04:00:37 Is anyone using the .dts file w/ the ai that I have mentioned? Feb 19 04:07:31 Anyway...I will keep trying out ideas until I get things configured. Ouch. Feb 19 04:31:57 hi, I've installed the newest image onto an sd and into my beaglebone blue, but its still not showing up as a network device on my mac catalina Feb 19 04:33:12 Anyone have any fixes? I downloaded the drivers and even an updated version that seems to work from the github issues (https://github.com/jwise/HoRNDIS/issues/102), but still no luck trying to ssh into it without being on its own hotspot network Feb 19 04:35:36 Also, is there any good way to tell if its reading from the sd card / running the new image? Feb 19 10:24:12 can we play a video in beaglebone AI with hardware acceleration. Feb 19 10:41:18 is anyone online? Feb 19 10:43:22 whether anyone is online is not a relevant question; if someone who has useful feedback on your question were online, they'd have given you that feedback Feb 19 10:44:02 (I personally have no experience with attempting to get hardware video en-/decoding acceleration working on the am572x) Feb 19 10:45:58 it can take time to get a useful answer on something (hence the "BE PATIENT" in topic) Feb 19 10:46:33 ok Feb 19 11:17:36 zmatt: would you say ext4 is generally a good idea to use with an emmc ? Feb 19 11:19:38 I have no experience with anything else. a while back I read an experimental study which concluded that at that time ext4 was more crash-resistent than btrfs on managed NAND but dunno if that's still the case Feb 19 11:21:44 zmatt: fffs? Feb 19 11:22:11 flash for fsck's sake? Feb 19 11:22:22 "flash-friendly file system" Feb 19 11:22:26 I know Feb 19 11:22:30 :-) Feb 19 11:22:36 I never assume anything :-) Feb 19 11:22:49 that's called f2fs btw Feb 19 11:23:10 of course... Feb 19 11:23:52 but that's about all I know about it, no experience with it Feb 19 15:13:18 After inserting bootable card into emmc card slot and connecting with cable..nothing is happening. Can anybody help me to decide whether board can be started or not ? only one blue led near 5v power connectot is glowing continuously. Feb 19 16:38:15 ankur0921[m]: you mean the "sd card slot", there is no "emmc card slot"; also, which board are you talking about? Feb 19 16:38:37 and what is its history? how did it get into this state? Feb 19 22:44:43 * kveremitz guesses someone has their wires crossed Feb 20 00:09:05 hi, sorry I've been disconnecting in/out while I asked this, does anyone currently run beagles on MacOS catalina? I've got one on the current image and I believe the website it would be plug-n-play, but its still not showing up on my network. Could it be my Thunderbolt-USB adapter? Feb 20 00:13:23 Not me but I am sure someone out here knows how. Did you try ssh'ing in via beaglebone.local? Feb 20 00:14:48 I say first use ssh and figure out why this is so much of an issue. You may need to update/upgrade via ssh before getting on CLoud9. Feb 20 00:15:07 yep:/  no luck on any of the ssh'es Feb 20 00:15:14 Dang. Feb 20 00:15:31 Did you try debian@beaglebone.local? Feb 20 00:15:46 i can move to its hotspot and ssh then, but idk how useful that would be Feb 20 00:15:59 Wait. Feb 20 00:16:10 hotspot? You mean WiFi? Feb 20 00:16:10 connect a serial console and see what's happening Feb 20 00:16:15 like i have to get off of my current wifi and move to its hotspot Feb 20 00:16:24 yes the beaglebone-**** thing Feb 20 00:16:25 it's the quickest way by far of fixing such problems Feb 20 00:16:36 Oh. mru is right. serial! Feb 20 00:17:25 is that a hardware thing? sorry this is the first time I've tinkered w this low-level Feb 20 00:18:16 oh looks like there's an app for it! So you can go through serial through USB? Feb 20 00:18:23 Well, you can try a serial interface to the BBB, are you using the BBB, or just use a COM port. Feb 20 00:18:33 You can try. Feb 20 00:19:02 It is not that well documented nor does it stay up. You will have to get your IP Address of the BBB. Feb 20 00:19:51 after using serial or a TTY to USB adapter, find your ip addr. Feb 20 00:20:07 its a beaglebone blue, connected to the microusb Feb 20 00:20:18 The serial console is slow, not sturdy, and cancels out. Feb 20 00:20:19 Oh! Feb 20 00:20:25 So, you need wifi. Okay. Feb 20 00:20:36 I've tried the USB as well, similar luck Feb 20 00:20:38 connmanctl? Feb 20 00:21:04 Try that! Feb 20 00:21:21 Wait. You cannot even ssh in. I forgot. Feb 20 00:21:23 Hmm. Feb 20 00:21:37 Dang. You got me stumped. Feb 20 00:21:45 connect the damn serial console Feb 20 00:21:54 mru is right! Feb 20 00:21:55 anything else is a waste of time Feb 20 00:22:07 i can ssh into it I just have to be off of my current network Feb 20 00:22:12 if you don't have a serial port or a usb to serial converter, buy one of the latter Feb 20 00:22:37 tty to serial! Those adapters come in cheap to nice. Feb 20 00:22:43 it's a must-have if you're going to be tinkering with beagles and such Feb 20 00:22:48 Get a nice one for FTDI. Feb 20 00:23:02 should be $10 or so Feb 20 00:23:09 They have a solid cabling w/ good connectors. Feb 20 00:23:36 anyway...I tried. Use connmanctl if you can all-of-a-sudden ssh in now! Feb 20 00:23:56 well thank you! I really appreciate it Feb 20 00:24:02 connmanctl! Feb 20 00:24:21 was about to do some sketchy root terminal stuff to get drivers loaded Feb 20 00:24:54 sign in via ssh and use connmanctl Feb 20 00:25:03 Then, perform the commands to sign in. Feb 20 00:29:38 ipu1 is only allowed on my end outside of the ipu2 which is called something else. Anyway, it should be a blast and do not tell @zmatt. He will hound me into another direction! Feb 20 00:30:25 Akristoffersen: does it appear in any way at all? Feb 20 00:31:15 Akristoffersen: the beaglebone I mean, e.g. does it show up as disk driver? (read-only image containing some docs and such) Feb 20 00:31:34 oh he left Feb 20 00:31:39 Ut oh. Feb 20 00:31:43 What next? Feb 20 00:32:26 my personal opinion is that all those "friendly" features do more harm than good Feb 20 00:32:44 make people use a proper serial console to get started Feb 20 00:32:55 hard disagree, serial console sucks Feb 20 00:33:05 serial console works Feb 20 00:33:07 always Feb 20 00:33:16 ditto ethernet, but people don't always have that available Feb 20 00:33:23 ethernet needs configuration Feb 20 00:33:27 not normally Feb 20 00:33:43 the serial console works even when nothing else does Feb 20 00:34:09 so you can see _why_ ethernet or whatever isn't working and fix it Feb 20 00:34:19 but is more complicated to use, and doesn't communicate terminal window size or terminal-string resulting in problems with ncurses apps Feb 20 00:34:23 and is slower Feb 20 00:34:37 115200 is faster than any reasonable person can type Feb 20 00:34:48 9600 is annoyingly slow Feb 20 00:34:56 is actually also subject to weird problems: disconnecting usb serial is detected as a break, which can cause getty to switch baudrate Feb 20 00:35:03 115200 is quite laggy when using vim Feb 20 00:35:17 and you don't need ncurses to diagnose a network error Feb 20 00:35:57 I actually configured our devices to use 460800 baud (including u-boot) after getting annoyed with doing some network testing/debugging via serial console on 115200 :P Feb 20 00:36:25 it's a bit slow for data transfer, yes Feb 20 00:36:30 who's talking about "diagnosing a network error" ? Feb 20 00:36:36 I am Feb 20 00:36:38 you said people ought to use it by default Feb 20 00:36:53 I said people ought to use it for a few minutes to set things up Feb 20 00:36:53 there's no network error here, there's a Mac OS X usb driver issue Feb 20 00:37:07 not using usb would avoid usb driver issues, no? Feb 20 00:37:20 yippee Feb 20 00:37:24 ah you're back Feb 20 00:37:28 thank you! its on wifi now :) Feb 20 00:37:34 now how do I ssh into it Feb 20 00:37:41 Akristoffersen: what did you do/change ? Feb 20 00:37:57 Akristoffersen: ssh debian@beaglebone.local Feb 20 00:37:58 oh well, I'm clearly never going to convince you Feb 20 00:38:03 so you'll just have to keep being wrong Feb 20 00:38:11 haha I'm sorry mru Feb 20 00:38:20 Akristoffersen: that wasn't directed at you Feb 20 00:38:22 mru: I just don't really get what you're saying or why Feb 20 00:38:41 I'm saying that having a serial console connected makes diagnosing most problems trivial Feb 20 00:38:56 I switched to its wifi, then from inside I wrote a config in /var/lib/connman/ Feb 20 00:39:02 mru: well a serial console *is* available via usb.. however the original problem was on the Mac side, not on the beaglebone Feb 20 00:39:02 connectivity problems, that is Feb 20 00:39:19 still not showing up as a network adapter on my computer but at least its connected to my network Feb 20 00:39:21 isn't that a usb-gadget serial thing? Feb 20 00:39:30 so it won't work until linux is running properly Feb 20 00:39:42 mru: ... and? Feb 20 00:39:58 and what if it doesn't run properly? Feb 20 00:40:10 the serial console will almost always tell you exactly what went wrong Feb 20 00:40:14 so you can fix it Feb 20 00:40:20 without it you're left guessing Feb 20 00:40:23 mru: then your system is pretty fucked and the serial console is probably the only way to fix it Feb 20 00:40:29 I'm not saying a serial console is never useful Feb 20 00:40:55 it's needed very very rarely, but in those cases when you do need it you don't really want to be without it Feb 20 00:41:05 unless you're at the stage where reflashing is less effort than debugging Feb 20 00:41:17 I rarely need the serial console on my desktop systems, yes Feb 20 00:41:29 embedded devices are a totally different story Feb 20 00:41:32 mru: anyway, this isn't useful, back to topic Feb 20 00:41:34 if this issue comes up for anyone else, specifically for the blue, this was really helpful getting it set up: https://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ee192/sp21/files/GettingStartedBBBL.pdf Feb 20 00:41:51 Akristoffersen: I'd still like to find out why the usb gadget isn't working for you on OSX, also for other Mac users Feb 20 00:42:29 zmatt yes, its very strange. there's a lot of talk around the web with workaround drivers, but for some reason they didn't want to load for me Feb 20 00:42:34 Akristoffersen: btw manually editing connman's state in /var/lib/connman while connman is running is probably a bad, use connmanctl instead Feb 20 00:43:15 Akristoffersen: well like I said you shouldn't need to install any driver, so maybe the fact that you did (or at least tried) is actually causing problems Feb 20 00:43:29 Akristoffersen: but first, does it appear as any sort of usb device at all, e.g. does it appear as usb driver? Feb 20 00:43:32 *usb drive Feb 20 00:43:53 zmatt not even that, which is why I'm suspicious of my adapter Feb 20 00:44:15 Akristoffersen: okay if it's not even showing up as usb disk then there's something really weird going on Feb 20 00:44:20 you sure the usb cable isn't bad? Feb 20 00:44:42 I've tried 2, one for USB and another for micro USB Feb 20 00:44:48 I can't be sure though Feb 20 00:44:51 the single most common cause of not showing up via usb _at all_ is a bad usb cable Feb 20 00:44:54 hmm Feb 20 00:45:01 what do you mean "one for USB and another for micro USB " ? Feb 20 00:45:15 you need a micro usb cable Feb 20 00:45:46 (A-male to micro-B-male, i.e. a normal micro usb cable) Feb 20 00:46:06 well I've got my thunderbolt 3 port, I've got an adapter from that to USB. From there I've got a USB - USB, and a USB - micro cable Feb 20 00:46:22 let me look up what these look like I might be completely off on terminology Feb 20 00:46:25 what do you mean USB-USB ? a cable with the same connector on both ends? Feb 20 00:46:34 yep Feb 20 00:47:00 because such a cable is bad and wrong, an egregious violation of the usb specification, and a great way to potentially damage devices Feb 20 00:47:04 there is no valid use for such a cable Feb 20 00:47:24 I have a couple of A-A cables Feb 20 00:47:27 because I needed them Feb 20 00:47:47 Is there a difference between hooking up from the USB host and the microUSB host on the BB? Feb 20 00:47:51 One end male and other female? Feb 20 00:47:58 *microUSB client Feb 20 00:48:15 both ends male Feb 20 00:48:25 totally non-standard, yes Feb 20 00:48:26 Akristoffersen: yes, they are completely unrelated things... USB is an asymmetric bus Feb 20 00:48:34 it's not even a bus Feb 20 00:48:46 please no semantics-squabbling Feb 20 00:49:07 zmatt so which one should I have used if I wanted to connect through ssh? Feb 20 00:49:15 I'm assuming client microUSB Feb 20 00:49:33 Akristoffersen: the micro-B port, using a micro-usb cable to your computer Feb 20 00:49:54 the A-port is meant for connecting usb devices to the beaglebone Feb 20 00:50:34 awesome good to know Feb 20 00:50:56 the micro-B port is also 5V power input to provide power to the beaglebone, while the A port is 5V power output to provide power to downstream devices Feb 20 00:51:40 this one reason why your male-A to male-A cable is bad: it connects 5V outputs of different devices together Feb 20 00:52:05 (which can be quite bad if they have different opinions about the actual voltage) Feb 20 00:53:00 one more question, now that the BB is on my network, can I just ssh into it like normal? the 192.168.6.2 was a no-go Feb 20 00:53:09 Akristoffersen: anyway, do have not have a random other usb device to test your usb port? Feb 20 00:53:36 that would be the easiest way to determine if there's a problem with the thunderbolt-to-usb thing Feb 20 00:54:00 testing with a different micro-usb cable is the easiest way to determine if there's a problem with the cable... Feb 20 00:54:10 zmatt its worked with my mouse and microphone just fine. I just worry it doesn't have the features to carry out the networking? Feb 20 00:54:24 well you said it also didn't appear as usb disk Feb 20 00:54:38 lemme see if I can scrounge up a micro USB thing Feb 20 00:55:12 ah right, its basically just giving power then Feb 20 00:55:22 yeah bad micro-usb cables are obnoxiously common... so called "charge-only" cables that lack data lines. note that these are also bad for charging since the data lines are normally used for communication Feb 20 00:55:54 so if you ever identify such a cable in your collection, be sure to destroy it before it can cause more misery Feb 20 00:56:23 *since the data lines are also used for identifying chargers Feb 20 00:56:35 sorry, I brain was typing something random it seems :P Feb 20 00:56:54 I've got another cable actually, I can try that Feb 20 00:56:58 Akristoffersen: also, easiest way to ssh to the beaglebone is "ssh debian@beaglebone.local" Feb 20 00:57:22 Yippee! Feb 20 00:57:55 beaglebone.local should work as hostname regardless of how the beaglebone is connected, at least when using a mac, usually also when using linux, sometimes also on windows Feb 20 00:58:09 Akristoffersen: Yippee ? Feb 20 00:58:30 for being able to ssh, or for it showing up as network interface when using a different cable? Feb 20 00:58:38 zmatt oh the beaglebone.local works. Sorry I've been trying to ssh forever now Feb 20 00:58:43 let me try the cable Feb 20 00:59:53 Akristoffersen: beaglebone.local is listed on the getting-started page: http://beagleboard.org/getting-started#step2 Feb 20 01:00:30 wow it works! yes I will proceed to through that cable away Feb 20 01:01:01 Akristoffersen: using a different cable it now shows up as disk and as network interface ? Feb 20 01:01:13 or maybe even as two network interfaces, if the HoRNDIS driver is working :P Feb 20 01:01:28 yep, using a different cable makes it show up as a network adapter Feb 20 01:01:51 so first: I was trying to do this was a USB. second, after switching to a microUSB, it was faulty. Feb 20 01:02:36 So, you had USB 2.0 to USB 2.0 cable? Feb 20 01:02:58 I bought it on amazon specifically to use it for this haha Feb 20 01:03:12 I have one but it is a female to male USB 2.0. Feb 20 01:03:14 I feel pretty silly now Feb 20 01:03:27 You need the micro USB for the BBBlue to perform USB networking. Feb 20 01:03:29 set_: you mean an extension cable? those are not spec compliant either Feb 20 01:03:36 Oh. Feb 20 01:03:39 so, to clarify, the beaglebone presents itself as a composite usb device with 4 functions: 1. usb mass storage (i.e. usb disk) serving a small read-only image 2. usb serial port (which can be used to log in if you have networking problems) 3. standard-compliant usb networking interface (used to be CDC-ECM, nowadays CDC-NCM) 4. microsoft proprietary "RNDIS" networking interface because microsoft ... Feb 20 01:03:45 ...doesn't give a fuck about standards Feb 20 01:04:19 mru: Yes extension. Feb 20 01:04:37 I have a female to couple it to male and vice versa for no reason. Feb 20 01:04:47 the HoRNDIS driver is to get the RNDIS network interface working on Mac, but there's no reason for that since the standard-compliant network interface should work fine Feb 20 01:05:26 (with the caveat that Apple managed to somehow break the earlier standard-compliant CDC-ECM network interface... I don't know how or why) Feb 20 01:05:38 I am learning about the ipu1 now and not the one that deals w/ graphics/displays. Feb 20 01:06:03 AI! Feb 20 01:06:24 Akristoffersen: and that usb-A-male to usb-A-male cable should only ever be used if you're 100% sure a device _requires_ that cable, since it is very very non-standard-compliant Feb 20 01:06:40 I got all the source as a start. Now, time to rifle through it all. Feb 20 01:06:44 Akristoffersen: the main use for that cable should be whipping people who make devices that need such a cable Feb 20 01:06:56 ...10 years later Feb 20 01:07:07 * set_ found a way to ipu1 finally Feb 20 01:07:58 And by ipu1, I mean everything it encompasses. Feb 20 01:08:11 I have run into one reasonable use for the A-A cable Feb 20 01:08:26 it's a device with a type A usb port, normally used in host mode only Feb 20 01:08:37 but can be used as device for debugging/recovery purposes Feb 20 01:09:24 Type A? Feb 20 01:09:26 mru: well, whether that's "reasonable" is of course entirely subjective :P Feb 20 01:09:33 What does that mean? Feb 20 01:09:37 set_: normal usb host port Feb 20 01:09:40 Oh. Feb 20 01:09:46 Okay. Feb 20 01:11:17 this is usb type-A: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Male_and_Female_USB_Connectors.jpg (male on the left, female on the right... normally you'll find female type-A as host port connector on a device, though you may find it at the end of a cable if it's an extension cable or an USB on-the-go adapter) Feb 20 01:12:14 usb A! Feb 20 01:12:24 Akristoffersen: note that if the beaglebone is reachable both via usb-networking *and* via your wifi network then "beaglebone.local" will use either of those arbitrarily Feb 20 01:12:29 host on a device! Feb 20 01:14:05 Akristoffersen: you still here? Feb 20 01:14:46 sorry yep! Feb 20 01:15:23 Akristoffersen: just checking, since you mentioned you followed some instructions but linked to a document that suggested fairly old images... what image are you running now? you can check image date with: cat /etc/dogtag Feb 20 01:15:27 are you saying I should probably dc the bone from my wifi network? and just run from the usb? Feb 20 01:15:44 Akristoffersen: not at all! Feb 20 01:15:48 zmatt BeagleBoard.org Debian Buster IoT Image 2020-04-06 Feb 20 01:15:56 ok good Feb 20 01:16:06 Akristoffersen: no I'd sooner nix the usb connection than the wifi connection Feb 20 01:16:23 I might have some people working on this remotely, will it make a difference which its using? Feb 20 01:16:24 but there's no problem with having both, just be aware of it Feb 20 01:16:43 to have people work on it remotely you'll want it to be on your wifi network Feb 20 01:16:59 well, depends on how exactly they will work on it remotely Feb 20 01:17:18 oh interesting, I haven't really worked out the details on it. I'm assuming they can just ssh into it? Feb 20 01:17:37 Is there a way I can disable the usb connection? it popped up automatically Feb 20 01:18:12 if they're on your local network they can ssh into the beaglebone (using beaglebone.local as hostname) Feb 20 01:19:14 if you want it to be reachable from the internet then you'll need to set up port forwarding in your router... note that in that case you'll absolutely want to make sure you change the default password instead of leaving it as "temppwd", and I'd recommend also putting it on a non-standard port Feb 20 01:20:32 if they already have the ability to ssh into another device on your local network then they can also ssh *via* that device... ssh actually has a neat option to make a connection via an intermediate hop: ssh -J intermediate-hop final-target Feb 20 01:21:19 zmatt would that work as ssh -J ? Feb 20 01:21:58 where is debian@beaglebone.local and is whatever username/host allows them to ssh into your computer yes Feb 20 01:22:27 awesome thank you Feb 20 01:30:11 -j does what? Feb 20 01:30:47 OH. Feb 20 01:30:52 -J...got it. Feb 20 01:31:15 So, someone can sign in via -J if they know your or my credentials? Feb 20 01:31:28 That is scary. Feb 20 01:31:42 Akristoffersen: note that if you frequently ssh to some place with the same settings then it's easy to add some config to .ssh/config Feb 20 01:32:06 set_: uhh, you already need to be able to ssh in the first place Feb 20 01:32:30 Okay. Yes...but from distantances outside of my WiFi? Feb 20 01:32:52 set_: i.e. if you can already ssh to computer-A, and when logged in on computer-A you can ssh to computer-B, you can combine these to connect to computer-B via computer-A Feb 20 01:33:08 Stop it. Feb 20 01:33:13 Okay. I got it. Feb 20 01:33:50 I can obviously not ssh via your computer unless I can already ssh to your computer in the first place Feb 20 01:34:01 Thank you! I'm gonna head off, thanks again this has all been incredibly helpful. Feb 20 01:34:44 Oh...okay but w/ the computer A passcode to sign in via remote desktops, can ssh acheive that too? Feb 20 01:34:47 are you all on the dev team btw? Feb 20 01:34:56 no. Not me, as you can tell. Feb 20 01:35:08 we're all just random beaglebone users Feb 20 01:35:22 Sure...sure. I am the most random, too! Feb 20 01:35:36 thats awesome, love open source! Feb 20 01:36:15 Hey...so... Feb 20 01:36:37 What is a remote desktop application on debian server, sftp? Feb 20 01:37:01 I can look it up. FOrget it. Feb 20 01:37:55 but...remote ssh sounds nifty. Feb 20 01:38:13 Off to look it up outside of WiFi and connectiveness. Feb 20 01:38:54 well. Feb 20 01:38:57 xrdp! Feb 20 01:39:25 That seemed too easy. I am sure there is a catch. Feb 20 01:41:37 This should be fun! Off to test. Feb 20 02:04:29 ipu1? Feb 20 02:05:06 not the one about displays and graphics, i.e. ipu2. Is there a good link of what the BBAI has onboard that is usable right now? Feb 20 02:05:46 I have run through many .dts, .dtb, and .dtsi files. I am up to my forehead in black and white. Feb 20 02:06:23 I also found a nice input section online at TI.com about the ipu subsystem. Feb 20 02:06:38 19:00 minutes. Argh! Feb 20 02:07:25 anyway, please think of me! Feb 20 02:35:03 xrdp is similar to tightvncserver but is it? Feb 20 02:35:17 I am asking b/c I just got kicked off my AI but remote works now! Feb 20 02:35:21 remote only! Feb 20 02:38:29 Can someone say Mars! Feb 20 02:38:56 My poor AI cannot function w/ my ufw errors so far. Feb 20 02:38:57 ha. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 20 02:59:57 2021