**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 16 03:00:13 2021 May 16 22:10:22 hello May 16 22:10:29 somebody here? May 16 22:12:30 no, just you and 165 bots May 16 22:13:00 <_troll_> and a troll May 16 22:15:19 JimmyJimmy[m]: if you have a question, just ask it. there are plenty of knowledgable people here. most will only occasionally glance at chat hence it may take time to get a response (hence "please be patient" in topic), but you'll never get an answer to a question if you don't ask it in the first place May 16 22:16:39 i am searching for a beaglebone AI pinout, and i can not found one. can you help me? May 16 22:18:36 https://github.com/beagleboard/beaglebone-ai/wiki/System-Reference-Manual#connectors May 16 22:19:08 thank you May 16 22:19:17 https://goo.gl/jiazTL#gid=854495639 (beware that peripheral numbering differs, see README tab) May 16 22:28:52 there, BeagleBone Black resurrected. Reinstalled it with Arch. May 16 22:46:56 unusual choice May 16 22:54:04 Seemed one of the easier ways to get it running with a very recent kernel. May 16 22:54:23 console only. no video ports on that Beagle. May 16 23:00:35 easier than "sudo apt install linux-image-5.12.3-bone13" ? May 16 23:00:56 why do you need a "very recent kernel" anyway? May 16 23:06:58 my Debian installation broke on a kernel upgrade. perhaps rebuilding it with Debian would have worked just as well, but I decided to give this a try. May 16 23:07:35 oh right you'd first want to disable overlays May 16 23:07:36 I don't need a "very recent" kernel, but having a recent kernel makes it a little easier to keep up with security updates. May 16 23:07:49 pretty sure stable kernel series get security updates May 16 23:07:54 ahh, is that what went wrong? May 16 23:07:58 yes, they do. May 16 23:08:13 Alas, retroactively undoing my kernel upgrade wasn't simple. :) May 16 23:08:36 boot from sd card, fix uEnv.txt on eMMC May 16 23:08:51 or use serial cable to get into u-boot commandline and manually boot the old kernel May 16 23:09:08 yes, would have needed to find a serial console cable. May 16 23:09:14 I still have the old SD card. I could try repairing it. May 16 23:09:18 but I thought this would be interesting. May 16 23:09:26 and yeah, recent kernels made incompatible changes to DT so current DT overlays won't work May 16 23:09:30 bbiab, will catch up May 16 23:09:34 yeah, that's surely what went wrong May 16 23:09:54 anyway, default kernel series used on the BBB is always an LTS kernel so security updates shouldn't be a problem May 17 00:23:50 zmatt: Good to know. I must say, Arch does seem to run well on the BB Black though, at least so far. May 17 00:26:47 I have very little experience with it.. what I remember of the time I tried it was: 1. pleasantly fast package manager 2. nothing resembling sensible defaults May 17 00:26:50 that was a long time ago though May 17 00:27:18 heh. May 17 00:27:38 yeah, it's a bit of a brutal experirence at the beginning. certainly not a distro for beginners (obviously, you are not a beginner :) ). May 17 00:28:43 I'm not sure I'd want to give Arch a go on a GUI system. I gave it a brief try on an old 32-bit system a few weeks ago and I couldn't get X working. Installed Debian and all was fine. Much easier. May 17 00:28:47 no and definitely don't mind tweaking things to my preferences, but iirc arch just annoyed me (though it's too long ago to remember how or why) May 17 00:28:55 hehe May 17 00:29:00 it might not annoy you now. then again, it might. :) May 17 00:29:09 it hasn't annoyed me on the BB or on this Pine64+ yet. May 17 00:29:11 we'll see. :) May 17 00:29:36 well since I use debian on both desktop and server, I prefer to also use it on embedded just for familiarity May 17 00:29:48 some weirdnesses. like rwho. I use rwhod so I can see what systems on my LAN are running properly. but it's not core in Arch. They have the Debian version repackaged and in their must-compile-from-source AUR repository. May 17 00:29:53 Yeah, makes sense. May 17 00:30:01 I use Debian and derivatives on most of my boxes. May 17 00:30:35 I put Manjaro on this Ryzen 7 system I'm using right now because no .deb distro was using a modern enough kernel to support its hardware yet, but Debian Bullseye would work on it now. May 17 00:30:54 .deb distros are my normal ecosystem. May 17 00:31:04 and of course rcn's kernels (which have a bunch of patches that I consider essential for the beaglebone) are provided for debian and he his build scripts let you easily customize it and rebuild debian packages.. not arch packages May 17 00:31:42 if I'd talked to you before putting Arch on this Black board, I probably would have put Debian on it again. :) May 17 00:31:43 of course no doubt I could get everything I want working on arch if I had the time and motivation, but it would certainly not be the path of least resistance May 17 00:31:52 Absolutely. May 17 00:32:16 and Debian is a good distro. Supports more platforms than most distros, which is nice. May 17 00:32:33 and it's the default for beaglebones, so it's what's supported here May 17 00:32:39 I think it is one of the last that supports i386 (well, i686) well. May 17 00:32:41 while with arch you're kinda on your own if you encounter any problems May 17 00:32:44 makes sense. May 17 00:33:03 well, if it breaks I'll go back to Debian, but I can put in some experiences for anyone who's wondering. May 17 00:33:05 basically, if you're a beaglebone arch user, you're a beaglebone arch co-maintainer ;) May 17 00:33:13 Heh. Probably. May 17 00:34:33 I only have this Black as a whim, to be honest. we drove from prairie Canada to Texas three years ago and went down via Kansas City. Found a BB Black at a CompuCenter and though tI'd buy it to play with. May 17 00:34:38 it's a decent little board. May 17 00:34:46 haven't tried any of the other BB board, though. May 17 00:35:31 for many purposes the BBB is probably still the best choice... May 17 00:36:14 like, the am572x-based boards (bbx15, bbai) are more powerful, but also more headaches (e.g. for interfacing external hardware) May 17 00:36:30 ahh, that's a little annoying then. May 17 00:37:00 it depends on the intended application of course May 17 00:37:06 absolutely. May 17 00:37:59 it's nice that the hardware is a lot more open than, say, the Pis though. May 17 00:39:07 yep, the hardware design is open, the SoC and other components are available off-the-shelf, and you can find thousands of pages of documentation on the SoC's product page May 17 00:39:17 (while the RPi SoCs don't even _have_ a product page) May 17 00:39:28 Oh? I shouldn't be surprised. May 17 00:40:37 the RPi's SoCs are pretty much custom for the RPi foundation, you can't buy them May 17 00:41:29 broadcom isn't interested in dealing with the plebs May 17 00:41:38 Broadcom is a very strange company. May 17 00:42:07 they make some good hardware, but a lot of it sure isn't supported well by open-source software. they must be very tight-lipped about specifications. May 17 00:42:28 I've retrofitted Intel WiFi cards into laptops more than once, to replace Broadcom, to get better support (while upgrading to better standards). May 17 00:42:30 public documentation is negligible... May 17 00:42:35 * PhotoJim nods May 17 00:43:13 like, this is what a SoC product _should_ look like: https://www.ti.com/product/AM3358 May 17 00:43:39 oh, that is really good documentation. May 17 00:44:10 direct download links for the datasheet, the technical reference manual (>5000 pages), and very importantly the errata May 17 00:44:23 (and no requirement to even register to download or whatever) May 17 00:45:05 sure makes it easier to support the hardware with open-source software. May 17 00:45:19 the RPi SoC of course has errata too, but broadcom sure as hell doesn't bother publishing them, so finding chip bugs is left as a fun exercise for the users / kernel devs ;) May 17 00:45:42 I think they're collected by volunteers on some wiki page May 17 00:45:45 reverse engineering, in a manner of speaking. May 17 00:45:50 yep. I bet you're right. May 17 00:46:17 fun stuff like "if an i2c device on your bus uses clock stretching, your i2c transfers may be randomly corrupted" May 17 00:46:44 what's a little corruption between friends? May 17 00:46:54 (I remember reading some blog post by someone who discovered this rpi bug the hard way) May 17 00:48:35 that's not how you want to discover that sort of thing, for sure. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 17 01:17:10 2021 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 17 02:59:57 2021