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May 20 03:08:45 <ds2> khem: hey! the problem is all their emails are 'Summary' All I want it to do is send me a email for each post with a unique Subject for each thread
May 20 03:09:13 <khem> yeah unfortunately true
May 20 03:09:35 <ds2> so it can't be done?
May 20 03:09:48 <khem> Perhaps but I dont know
May 20 03:15:48 <kveremitz> procmail ?! :D or sieve perhaps..
May 20 03:15:58 * kveremitz goes all old skool
May 20 03:16:35 <ds2> procmail or scraping the website
May 20 03:16:55 <kveremitz> mmm beautifulsoup :D
May 20 08:58:00 <zmatt> lol, "/stats p" here on freenode now reports 0 staff members online, the entire operator team is gone
May 20 09:07:41 <set_> No!
May 20 09:07:53 <set_> What happens now?
May 20 09:08:10 <set_> Floods, I guess?
May 20 09:12:10 <set_> @zmatt: I got the Rover from ArduPilot to work just now!
May 20 09:12:29 <set_> Now, it is time for some real bot motion-motion!
May 20 09:14:30 <set_> As soon as I speed up the motion of the motors, the BBBlue will have a new post!
May 20 09:15:29 <set_> One snag. The people that sold me this BBBlue, sold it to me w/ a bent PRU pin on the small quadrature encoder connector. Boo!
May 20 09:15:37 <set_> I had to adjust things let us say.
May 20 09:16:13 * set_ ROver in the BBBlue!
May 20 14:51:04 <tigerxy> Hi @zmatt, Good Morning. I am now using conman completely for wlan0 interface. It works better. Thank you.
May 20 14:54:59 <tigerxy> The link quality vs signal level, which is better  choice for wifi link connection management. Say we have wifi and cell, and wifi has precedence, but it may out of reach. What is the best way to monitoring wifi connection quality, and automatically switch between wifi and cell? suggestions?
May 20 14:58:31 <zmatt> assuming you're using it to communicate with a server, I'd just keep a connection open via both routes and switch to communicating via the cell connection if the wifi connection fails or the servers fails to respond timely
May 20 14:58:43 <zmatt> being connected to wifi doesn't mean you have internet access via wifi
May 20 15:02:13 <tigerxy> I cannot test to drop/reduce wifi signal strength. The question in my mind, if wifi signal gets weaker, will it automatically disconnect? the routing table still sets its route IP. Do I have to monitor with a service?
May 20 15:03:18 <zmatt> it will eventually disconnect (or roam, if possible) if the signal gets too weak
May 20 15:04:33 <tigerxy> automatically or disconnected by driver (connman, etc.). Will its IP to be removed/reset from routing table?
May 20 15:05:15 <zmatt> (but again, I'd just use as criterium the thing you actually care about in practice: the ability to actually reach things)
May 20 15:06:25 <zmatt> if the connection drops (which is initiated by the hardware afaik, or *possibly* the kernel driver, not wpa_supplicant afaik, definitely not connman) then the IP and routes will be removed yes
May 20 15:09:53 <tigerxy> The Link Qaulity ( output with iwconfig ) is SNR, it has 60/70, is the denominator always 70. according to SNR, its percentage. I would assume it is 100. Not so sure 60/70 what exactly means?
May 20 15:15:03 <zmatt> I have no idea what "link quality" means either or in what units it is expressed
May 20 15:21:56 <zmatt> it looks like it's vaguely defined: https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/include/uapi/linux/wireless.h#L717
May 20 15:24:13 <zmatt> looks like you can monitor a bunch of info in /proc/net/wireless including this vague "quality", signal strength, noise level (if known), packets discarded (e.g. due to excessive retries), and missed beacons
May 20 15:26:17 <zmatt> regarding quality: "it's a nebulous value defined by each vendor using a heuristic algorithm that reflects their idea of what "good" is"
May 20 21:05:05 <GenTooMan> zmatt, link quality is an abstract synthesis of RSSI and likely BER
May 20 21:08:56 <GenTooMan> zmatt, now you have me curious again as I answered the exact question 5 years ago I just forget what I came up with. Mustn't have been terribly revealing if I forgot.
May 20 21:09:19 <zmatt> well apparently it's driver-dependent
May 20 21:20:43 <GenTooMan> I believe it's generated in hardware. Well for the CC1101 it's hard coded DSP.
May 20 21:20:55 <zmatt> yeah I meant device-dependent
May 20 21:22:35 <GenTooMan> Ok that makes more sense.  Yes is some thing that they generate from each packet (from memory). It would have been nice if they just said "this is how we calculate it". So it could be trusted, in some way.
May 20 21:23:11 <ctoler> Hi,
May 20 21:23:12 <ctoler> What is the country of origin of beagle boards?
May 20 21:24:19 <jkridner> Most are China, but some are US.
May 20 21:24:30 <ctoler> which ones are US?
May 20 21:24:31 <jkridner> GHI is US. Seeed is China.
May 20 22:38:03 <set_> Funky BBB! I played the jams w/ the Bela_Misc repo. online and BELA Cape.
May 20 22:38:18 <set_> Bum, chucka, bum!
May 20 22:38:41 <set_> The person that actually wrote the lib. is far better at playing and coding than I.
May 20 22:38:51 <set_> I am sure you all know already.
May 20 22:42:15 <set_> So...
May 20 22:42:29 <set_> What is going on w/ the BeagleV? Is there a date set yet?
May 21 00:35:37 <CCFL_Man> anyomne recommend a perfboard-like cape with little to no components for prototyping?
May 21 00:39:33 <W1N9Zr0> Adafruit Proto Cape?
May 21 00:40:28 <zmatt> is that not just a simple matter of soldering some headers onto regular perfboard?
May 21 01:28:29 <set_> Hey!
May 21 01:28:49 <set_> There is a another ProtoCape from GHI, right? Or...is that made by Embest now?
May 21 01:29:01 <set_> I can find out.
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