**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 25 10:59:56 2008 Feb 26 09:22:57 anyone listening? Feb 26 09:24:47 Si senor. Feb 26 09:25:12 yep Feb 26 09:25:37 * peteru will be heading off to have some food soon, so if there are questions to be asked - ask now. Feb 26 09:32:41 I have a q Feb 26 09:33:01 I am still mulling the iso mount Feb 26 09:33:40 I've tried a few times to copy a file larger than 2GB to the hard drive Feb 26 09:33:54 and it seems to fail at the same point each time Feb 26 09:33:58 You won't be able to. Feb 26 09:34:06 file size limit? Feb 26 09:34:27 the hdd is vfat Feb 26 09:34:32 probably 2G limit Feb 26 09:34:35 The drive is FAT32 formatted and presumably there is a 32bit signed integer at work Feb 26 09:34:36 (internal HDD) Feb 26 09:35:03 thanks - answers that one Feb 26 09:35:32 In theory you should be able to get 4GB-1Byte file on the HDD, but in practice, it's most likely to stop at around 2GB-512Bytes. Feb 26 09:36:16 is it possible that we may be able to use a different file system? Feb 26 09:36:25 ooh, interesting thought Feb 26 09:36:42 but the kernel needs to support it Feb 26 09:36:45 One of the reasons why real DVDs have content split onto fragments of around 1GB Feb 26 09:37:25 The kernel has no good filesystems compiled in. The best you get is NTFS read only Feb 26 09:37:40 yep Feb 26 09:37:55 isn't that a limitation of 2.4? Feb 26 09:39:24 kernel Feb 26 09:39:49 i think there is a number of write solns for NTFS, all with varying capabilities Feb 26 09:39:59 or varying success Feb 26 09:40:23 I think I remember reading that there was one in particular that was implemented in most 2.6 kernels Feb 26 09:41:24 What is a limitation of 2.4 kernel? Feb 26 09:41:35 NTFS rw Feb 26 09:41:53 sorry, read only Feb 26 09:42:45 No kernel (2.4 or 2.6) has proper R/W NTFS support. There are some userspace alternatives that do NTFS R/W and these are kernel independent. Feb 26 09:44:18 I would have preferred the internal HDD to be ext3. It looks like it used to be ext2 in earlier versions of the firmware. Feb 26 09:44:35 Interestingly the Topfield 7000 uses JFS. Feb 26 09:45:23 if you were designing the filesystem for a PVR, what would you select? Feb 26 09:45:36 But then again, the Topfield is built on top of a much more sophisticated chipset and a modern kernel. Shame that they could not get the software and hardware design right. Feb 26 09:46:19 I've always used ext3 in the PVRs I designed. Second option is ReiserFS. Feb 26 09:48:42 would ext3 work well on the wiz if it were enabled? Feb 26 09:54:09 It would require a few script changes in the firmware, a whole new kernel, as well as a few extra binaries added to the firmware image. Feb 26 09:55:36 Not sure how well it compares in terms of resource use. It should be OK in terms of CPU, but perhaps the memory footprint may be larger. I have not investigated, since ext3 performance has never been an issue for me. Feb 26 09:56:56 Steven Han mentioned something in the past that would suggest they selected FAT32 because of some resource concerns, but he did not supply any specifics. Perhaps it was just to save some room in the flash. Feb 26 10:02:18 so if you are not able to (in practise) make a file larger than 2GB with the existing filesystem, and the iso directory under /tmp/mnt isn't Feb 26 10:02:35 for the S1 DVD, why is it there? Feb 26 10:02:56 as i said, the S1 doesn't mount anything when playing a dvd Feb 26 10:03:18 but also remember a dvd has max of 1G file size in hte filesystem Feb 26 10:04:55 I wonder if it is there for future plans? Feb 26 10:29:16 * MattH goes off to resolve some conflicts and is grateful for peter and tony', thanks for you answers Feb 26 10:30:37 that is ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 26 10:59:56 2008