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May 25 03:00:40 <ebswift> yeah, great design
May 25 03:10:24 <ebswift> needs a switch for powering on & off
May 25 03:10:41 <ebswift> there'd have to be a couple of pins that could be tapped into
May 25 03:11:47 <_litz> why don't you just turn the power supply on and off?
May 25 03:12:09 <ebswift> well i was thinking for my mum where it will be plugged into a power board down behind the tv
May 25 03:13:02 <_litz> is there a switched outlet on a cable box or something?
May 25 03:13:32 <ebswift> could probably do it that way
May 25 03:13:50 <ebswift> it might be fairly easy though to cut the power circuit and wire in a switch
May 25 03:14:13 <_litz> easier than you think :
May 25 03:14:24 <_litz> run the power supply cable to a switch, then from the switch to the r-pi
May 25 03:14:34 <ebswift> ^
May 25 03:14:35 <_litz> it's straight DC, so easy to wire up
May 25 03:14:35 <ebswift> yeah
May 25 03:14:48 <ebswift> that's the way to do it
May 25 03:15:04 <ebswift> then the powered hub is switched off as well
May 25 03:15:08 <_litz> remember, I fix pinball machines.  Wires don't faze me in the least.
May 25 03:15:20 <ebswift> power->powered hub->rpi
May 25 03:15:50 <ebswift> power->switch->powered hub->rpi
May 25 03:16:33 <ebswift> push button on the hub would be nice if it can fit
May 25 03:16:52 <Quietlyawesome94> hey guys I ordered mine from Newark
May 25 03:17:04 <Quietlyawesome94> Doesn't look like I'll get it for a while
May 25 03:17:22 <Quietlyawesome94> Just got this in my email from RS Components
May 25 03:17:34 <Hagar_> NICK _Hagar
May 25 03:17:34 <Quietlyawesome94> We're delighted to inform you that you are now able to place your order for a Raspberry Pi model B board from RS Components. Please click on the button below
May 25 03:17:54 <Quietlyawesome94> Cancel with Newark maybe?
May 25 03:18:02 <ebswift> i think once you can place the order it doesn't take that long... mine took 7 days
May 25 03:18:18 <ebswift> if you're lucky enough to get two orders through two separate suppliers go for it
May 25 03:18:30 <ebswift> i'm hoping to get a second order confirmation from element14 in aus
May 25 03:18:47 <ebswift> oh, and that 7 days was from uk->aus
May 25 03:18:54 <Quietlyawesome94> Well their site is down and last time I checked my shipping date is August 16th
May 25 03:19:53 <ebswift> "Having successfully passed its CE compliance testing, we can now confirm that your Raspberry Pi will be dispatched week commencing 4-Jun-12."
May 25 03:20:00 <ebswift> that's the 2nd order i'm hoping will go through
May 25 03:20:17 <_litz> I got this from newark back on 5/1 : "We're excited to inform you that your Raspberry Pi will be delivered in an upcoming shipment beginning the week of May 29th. We will have your firm delivery date, after manufacturer confirmations are made, on Newark.com. "
May 25 03:20:56 <Quietlyawesome94> hmph
May 25 03:21:58 <_litz> that jives almost exactly w/that june date above
May 25 03:22:09 <_litz> they must be getting an entire shipping container
May 25 03:23:02 <ebswift> you in aus _litz?
May 25 03:23:08 <_litz> nope
May 25 03:23:17 <_litz> all the r-pi's go to england first, though
May 25 03:23:31 <_litz> then they distribute to the us, au, etc
May 25 03:23:51 <ebswift> i thought that would have changed to go straight to distributors... in fact, i thought the idea was for distributors to set their own orders
May 25 03:24:15 <ebswift> so they can regulate manufacture/supply/demand
May 25 03:24:20 <_litz> right ... but the distributors have to get product from somewhere
May 25 03:24:28 <_litz> that somewhere is a master supply in england
May 25 03:24:37 <_litz> then it goes in bulk to the distributor, then mailed to customers
May 25 03:24:39 <ebswift> just seems inefficient & more expensive
May 25 03:24:57 <_litz> atm, it's probably what they have to do, since the import/certifications are all for the uk right now
May 25 03:25:12 <ebswift> yeah, they'll sort it out
May 25 03:25:25 <Quietlyawesome94> I only want kne Pi so I might cancel this order and use the RS one
May 25 03:25:31 <Quietlyawesome94> *one
May 25 03:25:39 <Quietlyawesome94> They haven't charged yet
May 25 03:26:17 <ebswift> yeah, i want to get one running for mum asap, but i also want one for my own little projects
May 25 03:27:07 <ebswift> you could always just get the second and give/sell it to someone who can use it
May 25 03:27:19 <resistivecorpse> <-- like this guy ;)
May 25 03:27:19 <Quietlyawesome94> :O ebay scalping :P
May 25 03:27:27 <Quietlyawesome94> 50 bucks man
May 25 03:27:29 <ebswift> hah
May 25 03:27:31 <Quietlyawesome94> no 80
May 25 03:27:34 <XXCoder> lol
May 25 03:27:37 * resistivecorpse suggests Quietlyawesome94 give it to me :p
May 25 03:27:41 <Quietlyawesome94> give?
May 25 03:27:43 <Quietlyawesome94> LOOOL
May 25 03:27:44 <XXCoder> dont forget to use RARE!!!
May 25 03:27:47 <resistivecorpse> hehehe
May 25 03:28:15 <resistivecorpse> he said give/sell, i just picked my preferred choice of the 2
May 25 03:28:33 <XXCoder> I cant count how many times I see RARE!!! lego parts thats common and/or perm marked shit.
May 25 03:28:42 <ebswift> wow, wtf, $AU118.04 with 2 days to go
May 25 03:28:59 <ebswift> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-/230793102679?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item35bc574557#ht_500wt_1413
May 25 03:29:01 <infomaniac> Title: Raspberry Pi - Model B | eBay (at www.ebay.com.au)
May 25 03:29:21 <Quietlyawesome94> GBP?
May 25 03:29:25 <Quietlyawesome94> how much in US?
May 25 03:29:32 <_litz> x 1.5
May 25 03:29:33 <ebswift> close to the AU figure
May 25 03:29:42 <Quietlyawesome94> woah I could make me some money
May 25 03:29:42 <ebswift> slightly less
May 25 03:29:44 <XXCoder> OZ is in parity with usa money
May 25 03:29:47 <XXCoder> so around same
May 25 03:29:54 <Quietlyawesome94> set the starting bid at like 20 bucks
May 25 03:30:01 <Quietlyawesome94> they'd go wild
May 25 03:30:45 <Quietlyawesome94> look at the description and the guy was exactly like me "I'm selling my brand new, never used Raspberry Pi Model B due to having another one on it's way in the post from RS (yes I was one of those who was up at some ungodly hour to get hold of one and signed up on both RS and Farnells"
May 25 03:30:52 <jifli> anybody else find that ath6kl is laggier for connectbot
May 25 03:37:41 <XXCoder> Quietlyawesome94: yeah? lol
May 25 03:38:01 <XXCoder> any of you guys ever write code to automate code writing for you? lol
May 25 03:38:39 <_litz> actually yes ... bits of code for generating html tables
May 25 03:39:14 <ebswift> XXCoder, sortof, back in the day... autogenerating data entry forms from a simple template before graphical ide's were the norm
May 25 03:39:21 <XXCoder> yeah. im writing a tiny program to format massive amount of data into code array
May 25 03:39:39 <ebswift> there's always the mechanical turk
May 25 03:39:43 <XXCoder> because Im sure as hell not doing that shit by hand lol
May 25 03:40:27 <_litz> today we call that "php" ... auto-generating html for a webpage
May 25 03:40:29 <_litz> :-)
May 25 03:40:49 <ebswift> php is a pita
May 25 03:40:56 <ebswift> but i've gotta use it
May 25 03:41:20 <_litz> you can do cool as shit stuff w/it thougy
May 25 03:41:22 <_litz> though
May 25 03:41:31 <ebswift> i'm a c# junky
May 25 03:42:05 <XXCoder> im using c# actually lol
May 25 03:42:22 <XXCoder> its pretty good language, just new on it
May 25 03:43:16 <ebswift> just gotta be careful with c#, i recently painted myself into a corner with it of sorts and i'm going back to basics to get a more solid foundation
May 25 03:43:20 <XXCoder> ebswift: is there a way to copy text fron console window? :P
May 25 03:43:59 <ebswift> the dos window?  as in right-click, mark, right-click again
May 25 03:44:28 <_litz> dos cmd, or unix console/shell?
May 25 03:44:32 <ebswift> here's one good foundation that i'm going to be studying http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/05/19/using-linq-to-sql-part-1.aspx
May 25 03:44:37 <infomaniac> Title: Using LINQ to SQL (Part 1) - ScottGu's Blog (at weblogs.asp.net)
May 25 03:44:53 <XXCoder> the console it uses dont allow copy and paste at all
May 25 03:45:18 <ebswift> here's the other one i'll be studying http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd419663.aspx
May 25 03:45:20 <infomaniac> Title: THE MODEL-VIEW-VIEWMODEL (MVVM) DESIGN PATTERN FOR WPF (at msdn.microsoft.com)
May 25 03:45:35 <ebswift> console in VS?
May 25 03:46:08 <_litz> XXcoder - ssh into the system
May 25 03:46:10 <_litz> w/putty
May 25 03:46:14 <_litz> and use that as your console
May 25 03:46:40 <Quietlyawesome94> Newark site is back up
May 25 03:46:56 <Quietlyawesome94> Shipping date is now June 18th
May 25 03:47:04 <Quietlyawesome94> Think I'll wait
May 25 03:50:01 <XXCoder> lol
May 25 03:50:22 <XXCoder> I just used ol' cmd lol
May 25 03:51:33 <_litz> at least you have an actual date ... I'm still backordered
May 25 04:14:06 <_litz> BOXFORD, Mass. (AP) — Police say a roving group of cows crashed a small gathering in a Massachusetts town and bullied the guests for their beer.
May 25 04:14:24 <_litz> Boxford police Lt. James Riter says he was responding to a call for loose cows on Sunday and spotted them in a front yard.
May 25 04:14:24 <_litz> Riter says the herd high-tailed it for the backyard and then he heard screaming. He says when he ran back there he saw the cows had chased off some young adults and were drinking their beers.
May 25 04:14:25 <_litz> Riter says the cows had knocked the beer cans over on a table and were lapping up what spilled. He says they even started rooting around the recycled cans for some extra drops.
May 25 04:15:07 <mystica555> lol
May 25 04:15:13 <_litz> (translation : the cows crashed a "end of the school year" party and chased off a bunch of high school kids)
May 25 04:15:29 <resistivecorpse> hahaha, thats great
May 25 04:15:37 <_litz> think I have that nailed?
May 25 04:15:44 <resistivecorpse> yeah :)
May 25 04:16:37 <_litz> my absolute favorite "teenager beer party" story was a few years back when the local teens up in n.ga had set their keg on the edge of the train tracks, while they camped/partied at a secluded clearing
May 25 04:17:02 <_litz> when the train came around the turn and crushed the keg, they ALL got squirted and covered heat-to-toe in beer
May 25 04:17:16 <resistivecorpse> hahahahaha
May 25 04:17:20 <resistivecorpse> nice
May 25 04:17:30 <_litz> the county sheriff had NO problems finding 'em ... apparently it took over a week before they stopped smelling like beer
May 25 04:18:00 <resistivecorpse> had to throw out all those clothes too i bet
May 25 04:18:13 <resistivecorpse> those would probably still smell like beer :)
May 25 04:18:48 <_litz> the engineer on the train, on the other hand, was laughing so hard it took him over a mile to recover enough to return to driving the train (luckily there was no crossing coming up)
May 25 04:18:59 <_litz> clothes, soaked into their hair, everything.
May 25 04:19:11 <_litz> never under-estimate the power that 225,000 lbs can exhibit
May 25 04:19:12 <Quietlyawesome94> woah
May 25 04:19:13 <Quietlyawesome94> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-New-/221024649867?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337618828b
May 25 04:19:14 <infomaniac> Title: Raspberry Pi Model B - New | eBay (at www.ebay.com)
May 25 04:19:16 <Quietlyawesome94> 122 bucks
May 25 04:19:24 <Quietlyawesome94> I am so convincing my sis to get two of these
May 25 04:19:43 <_litz> the funny thing is, I've been by that spot several times in my railcar ... the crushed keg is still there.
May 25 04:19:50 <resistivecorpse> i wish i coulda gotten ahold of one :(
May 25 04:19:59 <resistivecorpse> but im not paying that much. ever
May 25 04:20:08 <_litz> my newark order is $35
May 25 04:20:14 <_litz> + whatever shipping ends up being
May 25 04:20:20 * resistivecorpse gets jealous
May 25 04:20:33 <_litz> they should still be available at that price.
May 25 04:20:39 <_litz> 'course it might be novemeber when you get it ...
May 25 04:21:04 <resistivecorpse> haha, yeah
May 25 04:23:06 <Quietlyawesome94> hehe we could make a bundle of cash :O
May 25 04:23:10 <Quietlyawesome94> talk to her tomorrow
May 25 04:26:38 <Quietlyawesome94> haha here is a free case
May 25 04:26:40 <Quietlyawesome94> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1310
May 25 04:29:21 * ebswift so wants a lazer cutter... and a 3D printer
May 25 04:30:26 <resistivecorpse> mmm, 3d printer
May 25 04:30:31 * resistivecorpse drools a little
May 25 04:31:22 <resistivecorpse> i like that the 3d printer uses the same polymer as legos
May 25 04:31:43 <resistivecorpse> so when i cant afford more, just melt down my old legos into 3d printer ink :p
May 25 04:32:05 <ebswift> hah, well if you have a 3d printer you sure as hell wouldn't need leggo
May 25 04:32:22 <resistivecorpse> haha, yeah. just 1. then i can print more :)
May 25 04:33:08 * resistivecorpse saves a ton on his kid's christmas by making homemade lego sets on his 3d printer
May 25 04:34:09 <edude03> resistivecorpse google finally fixed the market at some point eh
May 25 04:34:15 <edude03> I can buy shadow gun now :D
May 25 04:34:25 <resistivecorpse> yeah, it seems like it :)
May 25 04:34:38 <resistivecorpse> ive bought a few of the apps i was previously locked out of
May 25 04:35:13 <edude03> I just recently noticed because when I unintsalled shadow gun it showed me the price :O
May 25 04:35:24 <resistivecorpse> nice
May 25 04:36:07 <resistivecorpse> i checked a few times, after i called google to ask/complain about the issue
May 25 04:36:37 <resistivecorpse> they said it was fairly common and that there was a team working on a fix. glad they finally got one :)
May 25 04:38:06 <_litz> aha!  Titan Salvage finally posted their Costa Concordia plans on their website ... http://www.titansalvage.com/News-and-Media/Press-Releases/Presented-in-Rome-The-Plan-for-the-Removal-of-the-Wreck-of-the-Costa-Concordia
May 25 04:38:08 <infomaniac> Title: Presented in Rome: The Plan for the Removal of the Wreck of the "Costa Concordia" (at www.titansalvage.com)
May 25 04:38:15 <_litz> (or in other words, how to do what nobody's ever done before)
May 25 04:40:23 <_litz> Daily  Mail has pictures/diagrams : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146690/Costa-Concordia-rescue-team-prepares-unprecedented-190m-salvage-operation.html
May 25 04:43:12 <resistivecorpse> and that option is cheaper/preferrable to just disassembling it as much as possible right there and carting off the parts?
May 25 04:44:07 <_litz> I seriously doubt it's cheaper ... but if they pull it off, it's inifinitely less messy
May 25 04:44:15 <_litz> and I don't imagine the people on that island want any more mess
May 25 04:44:31 <_litz> they already have to deal with that thing sitting literally 500ft outside their harbor
May 25 04:45:16 <resistivecorpse> haha, true. the article did mention alot of impact on the tourism industry
May 25 04:45:32 <_litz> OTOH, it's gonna make some GREAT tv when the documentaries start airing
May 25 04:45:42 <resistivecorpse> carting it to the nearest mainland piece by piece would only help disrupt that
May 25 04:45:48 <resistivecorpse> haha, yeah
May 25 04:54:50 <_litz> I think the thing that stuns me the most about that whole mess is the sheer cost ... 30-something people killed, and something like $800million worth of ship wrecked ...
May 25 04:55:09 <_litz> costwise, I don't think anyting like that has ever happened before, beyond maybe the space shuttle accidents.
May 25 04:55:48 <_litz> you'd have to wreck three Airbus A-380's to match that amount of value
May 25 04:56:33 <scifan> wait, what?
May 25 04:59:36 <_litz> scifan - costa concordia
May 25 04:59:54 <_litz> or, how to wreck a 952ft cruise ship
May 25 05:11:56 <Deihmos> HP enyo team reportedly quit and moving to google
May 25 05:12:17 <scifan> oh yeah
May 25 05:12:32 <scifan> oh... (on the enyo team)
May 25 05:12:44 <_litz> makes you wonder of they were one of the 27k on the block
May 25 05:13:41 <Exiles> maybe
May 25 05:13:55 <Exiles> to bad they didn't release every bit of info on the touchpad first
May 25 05:14:21 <mystica555> anyone know of perhaps a systemwide toggle to *disable* the 'audio ducking' or pausing during notifications? 'AUDIOFOCUS_LOSS_TRANSIENT(_MAY_DUCK)'
May 25 05:14:56 * _litz does not
May 25 05:15:00 <mystica555> it would seem that individual audio outputting applications can ignore and the system will not force them to respect it.. but is there a way to force the system to not emit these notifications at all?
May 25 05:15:21 <mystica555> i need to get a media player that ignores it then
May 25 05:15:34 <mystica555> PLOINK is plenty loud enough to be heard over even the loudest synthpop
May 25 05:16:44 <_litz> why don't you simply set your notification sound to silent?
May 25 05:17:52 <mystica555> i still want to hear them
May 25 05:17:58 <mystica555> just not have the audio drop out
May 25 05:18:07 <mystica555> ie, the way every computer ive ever owned does it
May 25 05:18:33 <mystica555> i just set the volumes of 'IM program' and 'music' to be just right to still hear notifications and not have massive distortion of the music
May 25 05:19:10 <SoulShadow> http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/24/3042441/hp-enyo-google
May 25 05:19:12 <infomaniac> Title: Exclusive: HP's webOS Enyo team is going to Google | The Verge (at www.theverge.com)
May 25 05:19:37 <mystica555> on OLD android 1.5 on my G1, there was no pausing/ducking action at all. It was just mixed. When i upgraded to 1.6, i considered adding the usurping of audio away from the media player to be a regression
May 25 05:21:39 <ebswift> hmm, since i haven't asked for a couple of months... does anyone know if it's possible to get an apple magic trackpad working on the tp or if other devices have successfully got it running with cm9?
May 25 05:22:18 <_litz> hmm
May 25 05:22:29 <_litz> how long do you think it'll be before webos ends up at google, too?
May 25 05:22:37 <_litz> HP gets to cut their losses
May 25 05:22:39 <SoulShadow> webos is being open sourced
May 25 05:22:43 <SoulShadow> why would google buy webos
May 25 05:22:49 <SoulShadow> that'd be silly
May 25 05:22:51 <_litz> and Google can integrate some of the advances
May 25 05:23:02 <_litz> because that gives google the patents
May 25 05:23:09 <k1l> webos would be a cheap one imho
May 25 05:23:15 <ebswift> it's open source, so they could take what they like out of webos couldn't they?
May 25 05:23:38 <_litz> the cost would be negligible to google, and they already open source android, so an open source webos is nothing to them.
May 25 05:23:39 <ebswift> open source meets open source
May 25 05:23:53 <_litz> they can USE what the like out of webos ...
May 25 05:24:01 <k1l> what about patents on/with/about webos stuff?
May 25 05:24:09 <Deihmos> what is to like abotu webos
May 25 05:24:11 <_litz> but adding those patents to their patent portfolio on the cheap has to be worth looking into, on their part
May 25 05:24:27 <_litz> *everyone* in the industry is padding their patents right now
May 25 05:24:32 <Deihmos> from my understanding palm patents are outdated
May 25 05:24:47 <ebswift> how to patents apply to open source?
May 25 05:25:01 <ebswift> open but nobody else can use it?
May 25 05:25:13 <ebswift> (without licensing)
May 25 05:25:39 <k1l> but hp is dumb as hell. as biggest PC manufacturerer they cant give a tablet market away. they need a tablet thingy in their lineup for contracts with big companys, imho
May 25 05:26:08 <ebswift> even cisco's on the bandwagon
May 25 05:26:12 <_litz> yeah, but they have the win8 tablet for that
May 25 05:26:27 <_litz> it'll never sell great, but it'll be there in their product portfolio
May 25 05:27:03 <ebswift> proprietary tablet as part of a 'supported' solution
May 25 05:27:05 <_litz> ebswift - owning the patent allows you to enforce the open source licensing
May 25 05:27:18 <_litz> gives you HUGE teeth when attacking someone for a violation
May 25 05:28:02 <ebswift> _litz, but can others freely use the code without paying patent licensing?
May 25 05:28:27 <ebswift> or otherwise obtain permission
May 25 05:28:31 <_litz> if it's released as open source, it's freely usable under the open source license
May 25 05:28:41 <_litz> and all the permissions and restrictions therein
May 25 05:28:52 <k1l> having patents in the backhand is not for the daily business. its just for the fair-trade thing on other patents
May 25 05:29:16 <_litz> yes ... that's the whole point of the patent portfolio
May 25 05:29:38 <_litz> when microsoft comes at you and says "we're gonna nail you for THIS" you have the ability come back with "ok, then we'll nail you for THAT"
May 25 05:30:08 <k1l> like goint to google/motorola with their gsm patents: i have this billions of patents i could suit you, make me a good price for using your patents
May 25 05:30:44 <ebswift> real big boys toys
May 25 05:31:53 <k1l> well. actually it ends up microsoft getting more money from sold androids than from sold MS phones. because of patents on stuff android uses
May 25 05:33:46 <k1l> personally i like the idea of patents and getting money for your smart ideas. but the suff that isgoing on, like apple vs. samsung is driving me nuts
May 25 05:35:56 <Exiles> yeah
May 25 05:36:03 <Exiles> I see use for them on both sides
May 25 06:19:36 <resistivecorpse> anyone else here using plex and on a nightly after 5/22 ?
May 25 06:46:26 <fab-> Bonjour
May 25 08:18:00 <psilocybin> @CM_Tenderloin: cm-9-tenderloin-20120525-0800-unofficial.zip nightly is up. http://t.co/Fg0Uj8il #cyanogenmod #cm9 #teamwin #andro http://t.co/2UYQGba8
May 25 08:18:03 <infomaniac> Title: Techerrata Downloads - Downloading cm-9-tenderloin-20120525-0800-unofficial.zip (at t.co)
May 25 08:21:34 <psilocybin> !list
May 25 08:24:05 <psilocybin> !ath6kl
May 25 08:24:14 <psilocybin> <infomaniac> for ath6kl wifi drivers look here: http://goo.im/devs/jcsullins/cmtouchpad/altwifi
May 25 08:24:15 <infomaniac> Title: Goo.im Downloads - Browsing altwifi (at goo.im)
May 25 08:40:34 <resistivecorpse> psilocybin, see /topic
May 25 08:40:44 <resistivecorpse> bot commands have changed
May 25 08:40:55 <resistivecorpse> !!wifi
May 25 08:40:55 <infomaniac> for ath6kl wifi drivers look here: http://goo.im/devs/jcsullins/cmtouchpad/altwifi
May 25 08:40:59 <resistivecorpse> !!nightly
May 25 08:41:00 <infomaniac> http://techerrata.com/file/nightly_kangs/tenderloin/cm-9-tenderloin-20120525-0800-unofficial.zip
May 25 08:41:37 <resistivecorpse> if you use a nightly after 5/22 the ath6kl driver is incuded by default
May 25 08:42:02 <resistivecorpse> otherwise, try the v4.2 of ath6kl in the link above
May 25 08:42:48 <psilocybin> oops
May 25 08:42:55 <psilocybin> thanks for the headsup
May 25 08:43:04 <resistivecorpse> lol, its ok
May 25 08:43:07 <psilocybin> i just applied 5/22
May 25 08:43:09 <psilocybin> thats good to know
May 25 08:43:21 <resistivecorpse> i maybe should have announced the bot changes better...
May 25 08:43:51 <resistivecorpse> nice, so then youve got the ath6kl driver already, no need for flashing another file
May 25 08:44:16 <resistivecorpse> all nightlies from that date on will use the ath6kl driver
May 25 08:44:18 <psilocybin> yeah i had only applied the ath6kl once on the cm9 5/15 i think  for the first time
May 25 08:44:26 <psilocybin> cool, good to know
May 25 08:44:55 <resistivecorpse> i tried it for the first time about 2 days before it became the official wifi driver :)
May 25 08:45:21 <resistivecorpse> until less than a week ago ive been using the old stock wifi driver
May 25 08:45:50 <psilocybin> same here, i was having a lot of weird problems between different friend wifis
May 25 08:45:59 <psilocybin> even though they were the same router and firmware / encryption
May 25 08:46:26 <psilocybin> was nothing but smooth sailing on my own wifi networks / tether before that
May 25 08:46:53 <resistivecorpse> old stock wifi was a champ for me, havent had wifi issues on any network with it
May 25 08:47:15 <psilocybin> although at home the 5/22 isn't showing wifi strength, weird, it works though
May 25 08:47:25 <resistivecorpse> that is odd...
May 25 08:48:11 <psilocybin> copped a new charger and sleeve today with free shipping from hp :)
May 25 08:48:19 <psilocybin> my charger has been acting odd
May 25 08:48:26 <psilocybin> wifi strength came back
May 25 08:48:30 <ebswift> my wifi seems to be a lot better at work now since i applied 5/23
May 25 08:48:35 <resistivecorpse> nice! those prices are sweet, impossible to pass up
May 25 08:48:59 <psilocybin> yeah i almost wanted to get another hp case for $5 but i got one a few months ago
May 25 08:49:09 <resistivecorpse> i actually have just started getting issues now that im on the ath6kl driver
May 25 08:49:35 <resistivecorpse> its too early to say yet wether or not the driver is to blame tho....
May 25 08:49:44 <psilocybin> yeah
May 25 08:49:54 <psilocybin> no complaining here :)
May 25 08:50:03 <resistivecorpse> haha, me neither :)
May 25 08:50:47 <resistivecorpse> they've done an amazing job so far, i almost cant believe sometimes im running android ICS on a touchpad :)
May 25 08:50:53 <psilocybin> first android device, friend got a galaxy nexus, its kind of amazing how smooth ics is on that device
May 25 08:51:04 <psilocybin> yes, considering it was never an android device
May 25 08:51:19 <XXCoder> heh
May 25 08:51:23 <XXCoder> whats 25 fix?
May 25 08:51:25 <resistivecorpse> yeah? ive heard alot of people say that about the nexux compared to the tp
May 25 08:51:28 <XXCoder> im guessing wifi
May 25 08:51:36 <resistivecorpse> 25?
May 25 08:51:49 <psilocybin> the non cm9 nigtly
May 25 08:51:49 <XXCoder> today's new build
May 25 08:51:52 <resistivecorpse> ah
May 25 08:52:23 <resistivecorpse> well i dont think any new wifi changes have been merged, but i havent looked in a few hours so....
May 25 08:52:26 <XXCoder> I gonna test my compile though heh
May 25 08:52:38 <XXCoder> see if it worked
May 25 08:52:45 <resistivecorpse> right on. so you got one compiled now?
May 25 08:52:47 <resistivecorpse> nice
May 25 08:52:53 <XXCoder> indeed finally lol
May 25 08:52:57 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 25 08:53:06 <XXCoder> ned to cache because it took hours lol
May 25 08:53:28 <resistivecorpse> i ended up giving up on trying to build on my low specs pc
May 25 08:53:48 <resistivecorpse> yeah, i hear ccache works wonders on build times
May 25 08:54:15 <ebswift> i'm *almost* tempted to start playing with compiling, purely to see if i can get the apple magic trackpad working
May 25 08:54:25 <ebswift> i've finally got a pc that might be able to compile in a reasonable time
May 25 08:54:40 <resistivecorpse> so go for it :)
May 25 08:54:56 <psilocybin> whats a reasonable time~
May 25 08:55:10 <psilocybin> not as fast as the cm9 nightly servers ;)
May 25 08:55:13 <resistivecorpse> lol
May 25 08:55:37 <resistivecorpse> well those build in like 15 minutes, thats hard to beat :p
May 25 08:56:00 <psilocybin> i couldn't remember the time, i know its stupid fast, i thought it was since digits ;)
May 25 08:56:05 <XXCoder> lol
May 25 08:56:06 <psilocybin> single*
May 25 08:56:08 <ebswift> i wouldn't like to imagine what the build time would be on the old work laptop... 2.4ghz core 2 with 4gb ram
May 25 08:56:32 <psilocybin> i want to say 9 minutes
May 25 08:56:37 <ebswift> the new pc's no super computer, but is in comparison to that laptop
May 25 08:56:39 <psilocybin> the cm blog had the time
May 25 08:56:47 <resistivecorpse> haha, the pc i was gonna build on was a single core 2.26 Ghz proccessor w/ 3GB RAM
May 25 08:56:57 <resistivecorpse> woulda taken me like 2 days :p
May 25 08:57:09 <psilocybin> the hunnies wouldn't swoon at that build time
May 25 08:57:15 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 25 08:57:23 <resistivecorpse> hence why i gave up :p
May 25 08:57:35 <resistivecorpse> it wasnt scoring me chicks
May 25 08:57:45 <psilocybin> i feel your pain
May 25 08:57:52 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 25 08:58:56 <resistivecorpse> well i did manage the easy part, get the repos. now what to do with all this old source code....
May 25 08:58:56 <ebswift> good pickup lines for the comic store chicks eh? 'i build ICS in like 9 minutes'
May 25 08:59:06 <psilocybin> ebswift knows the deal
May 25 08:59:21 <resistivecorpse> haha, ive actually met a few girls that line might work on
May 25 08:59:37 * resistivecorpse loves a woman who can speak tech
May 25 08:59:40 <psilocybin> we got a badass resistivecorpse over here
May 25 08:59:40 <resistivecorpse> ;)
May 25 08:59:46 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 25 09:00:03 <XXCoder> ebswift: "million petaflops server farm." some lady: "TAKE ME NOW!!"
May 25 09:00:10 <ebswift> lol
May 25 09:00:13 <resistivecorpse> i am one cool dead guy, i'll give ya that
May 25 09:00:26 <resistivecorpse> way cooler than that weekend at burnie's guy ;)
May 25 09:00:40 <ebswift> more of the zombie kind who can't be killed?
May 25 09:00:49 <resistivecorpse> exactly
May 25 09:01:01 <XXCoder> 2 words
May 25 09:01:04 <resistivecorpse> only cutting off my head wont do anything
May 25 09:01:05 <XXCoder> rotting dick
May 25 09:01:21 <ebswift> i always wondered why guns would be effective on someone who has already had their innards eaten
May 25 09:01:23 <resistivecorpse> (since i think with the little one anyways ;)  )
May 25 09:01:29 <psilocybin> tmi
May 25 09:01:36 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 25 09:01:42 <psilocybin> you have a 3G touchpad in other words
May 25 09:01:49 <resistivecorpse> well a gun would destroy the brain
May 25 09:02:02 <resistivecorpse> which is a goal in zombie killing
May 25 09:02:04 <ebswift> wouldn't the brain just be rotting grey matter?
May 25 09:02:11 <XXCoder> ebswift: zombies got their own breeding control. they eat brains, and zombies have to have intact brains to keep being undead lol
May 25 09:02:14 <ebswift> what's the driving source?
May 25 09:02:20 <ebswift> ah XXCoder
May 25 09:02:20 <resistivecorpse> nah, its the only "living" part left
May 25 09:02:27 <XXCoder> ebswift: they said it. Brrraaaaaains
May 25 09:02:38 <resistivecorpse> hahahaha
May 25 09:02:49 <ebswift> i get it all now... now i have enough info to survive the apocalypse
May 25 09:02:55 <XXCoder> lol
May 25 09:02:56 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 25 09:03:59 <ebswift> sadly i almost gave up on the walking dead, but then i persisted and i'm glad i did
May 25 09:04:25 <ebswift> i thought it was going to turn into 'days of our zombies' like 'days of our lives'
May 25 09:04:34 <resistivecorpse> i still havent seen any of season 2 yet
May 25 09:04:38 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 25 09:04:58 <resistivecorpse> parts of season 1 sure were a zobmie soap opera
May 25 09:05:56 <resistivecorpse> well im out again
May 25 09:06:03 <resistivecorpse> remember kids, bot commands start with !! now, the old wifi driver is dead, and zombies will kill themselves due to need of and lack of brains
May 25 09:06:05 <resistivecorpse> see ya
May 25 09:06:08 <ebswift> yeah, there was a big gap before i picked up on it again
May 25 09:06:10 <XXCoder> day of our zombie life lol
May 25 09:06:10 <ebswift> cya rc
May 25 09:06:42 <XXCoder> resistivecorpse: actually most canons zombies dont like taste of zombie brains
May 25 09:06:47 <XXCoder> so they dont go after em
May 25 09:07:10 <XXCoder> zombies gets born from zombie killed people that zombies failed to eat brains out of
May 25 09:07:37 <resistivecorpse> :/ well my first 2 comments stand. other than that, everyone watch out for zombies then ;)
May 25 09:07:41 <ebswift> "we're all infected"
May 25 09:08:13 <ebswift> we don't want spoilers though, so...
May 25 09:09:38 <jcsullins> fyi: new music player (Apollo) should be in next nightly
May 25 09:10:00 <ebswift> is that going down the line to phone builds?
May 25 09:10:04 <resistivecorpse> sweet! ive been hunting for new news on that app for weeks now
May 25 09:10:33 <ebswift> i'm using jokersax
May 25 09:10:43 <resistivecorpse> ebswift, you were the guy with the r-pi earlier right?
May 25 09:10:44 <ebswift> (atrix)
May 25 09:10:49 <ebswift> yep
May 25 09:10:49 <jcsullins> ebswift: should be in all CM9 builds tomorrow, I think
May 25 09:10:50 <resistivecorpse> ebswift, pm?
May 25 09:10:59 <ebswift> sure rc
May 25 09:16:18 <XXCoder> backing tp up heh
May 25 09:16:25 <XXCoder> because im about to install rom I compiled
May 25 09:23:42 <XXCoder> eb seems it worked so far lol
May 25 09:25:21 <ebswift> nice work
May 25 09:25:28 <XXCoder> yeah lol
May 25 09:25:47 <XXCoder> I wonder if I should make kang a bit :P but nah ill start with just jantior work.
May 25 09:26:00 <XXCoder> do i just use git commit for commiting changes though?
May 25 09:26:00 <ebswift> the main thing preventing me from compiling is that i wouldn't be able to produce anything beyond the nightlies...
May 25 09:26:35 <ebswift> u got commit credentials?
May 25 09:26:47 <XXCoder> hmm no I would say lol
May 25 09:27:02 <XXCoder> I do have account in git but commit for cm9 I dont think so.
May 25 09:27:19 <pulser> are you not committing locally, and uploading to gerrit?
May 25 09:27:21 <resistivecorpse> i think your git credentials are established when you input your username and email in the build steps
May 25 09:27:23 <ebswift> ah well, not sure where, but any fixes would be welcomed somewhere via the forum or something
May 25 09:27:25 <pulser> (that's how you usually contribute to CM)
May 25 09:27:35 <XXCoder> pulser: nah just havent even started
May 25 09:28:07 <pulser> what are you trying to do btw?
May 25 09:28:20 <XXCoder> right now? just getting handle on whole thing lol
May 25 09:28:35 <XXCoder> this is 100 times bigger than my largest personal project
May 25 09:30:39 <XXCoder> my short range goals, pulser, is to start fixing minor compile warnings
May 25 09:31:07 <XXCoder> long range dunno I do want some stuff to be more customizable. I get annoyed by few launcher stuff like mike icon, as I will never use it.
May 25 09:32:08 <pulser> nice
May 25 09:33:26 <XXCoder> pulser: my idea on starting on warnings is simple. it appears from everywhere so i;d have to go eevrywhere, learning how whole things work and you guys benefit from less warning spam
May 25 09:35:32 <XXCoder> I got question though
May 25 09:35:33 <pulser> hehe
May 25 09:35:38 <XXCoder> how often do you guys commit?
May 25 09:35:53 <XXCoder> probably would get annoyed by lots tiny commits or?
May 25 09:36:20 <XXCoder> and also can i just compile a part of cm9? so i can test changes and stuff
May 25 09:36:35 <XXCoder> and dont have to wait hours just to see one change works lol
May 25 09:48:52 <ebswift> the usual plan i think with git is stuff gets branched off and merged when tested
May 25 09:49:20 <ebswift> not sure how cm does it
May 25 09:50:23 <XXCoder> interesting. ok
May 25 09:50:31 <XXCoder> what about just compiling part of cm9?
May 25 09:51:56 <pulser> right
May 25 09:51:59 <pulser> for CM the way it works
May 25 09:52:03 <pulser> is usually you make changes locally
May 25 09:52:08 <pulser> and once you have something to commit
May 25 09:52:13 <pulser> you would upload it to gerrit
May 25 09:52:25 <pulser> then it's reviewed and merged if approved
May 25 09:52:28 <pulser> with regard to the compiling part
May 25 09:52:45 <pulser> that's the same as any other changes, perhaps it's in the ./build folder
May 25 09:52:48 <pulser> or in the makefiles
May 25 09:52:57 <pulser> make your changes, gerrit them, and see if they get accepted
May 25 09:53:12 <pulser> I would not envisage any issue getting stuff that fixes warnings through though :)
May 25 09:53:14 <XXCoder> gerrit?
May 25 09:53:23 <pulser> review.cyanogenmod.com
May 25 09:53:27 <pulser> code review system
May 25 09:53:47 <pulser> basically, just imagine it as being a remote git server that you push to when you're done with something and want to share it
May 25 09:54:29 <XXCoder> so what would commands be?
May 25 09:54:32 <XXCoder> git commit?
May 25 09:56:48 <Dorregaray> the commands will be:
May 25 09:57:05 <Dorregaray> repo start BRANCH_NAME .
May 25 09:57:39 <Dorregaray> from the git repo you want to modify (e.g. from ~/android/system/device/hp/tenderloin)
May 25 09:57:50 <Dorregaray> then git add, git commit
May 25 09:58:18 <Dorregaray> if you have several commits amend them otherwise multiple gerrit requests will be created
May 25 09:58:35 <XXCoder> git amend?
May 25 09:58:36 <Dorregaray> when you're done you do repo upload --br=BRANCH_NAME .
May 25 09:58:43 <Dorregaray> git commit -amend
May 25 09:58:53 <XXCoder> cool never used that one
May 25 09:59:04 <Dorregaray> you can also squash the changes
May 25 10:00:11 <XXCoder> cool thanks. saving this for future use
May 25 10:00:15 <Dorregaray> I'm not a git expert (in fact I'm still having problems with git) ;)
May 25 10:01:27 <XXCoder> well I only have "trace" of experence with git lol
May 25 10:01:32 <XXCoder> only used it few times in college
May 25 10:01:37 <XXCoder> and its been 2 years since
May 25 10:01:51 <ebswift> i should learn git, we're using it for some stuff at work.  i still use subversion a lot (i once was the windows installer builder for subversion)
May 25 10:02:20 <XXCoder> ebswift: git really isnt that complex and some dev env has git support, like eclipse
May 25 10:02:24 <XXCoder> so yeah
May 25 10:03:19 <pulser> yep
May 25 10:03:21 <pulser> git is not bad
May 25 10:03:23 <pulser> I used to hate it
May 25 10:03:29 <pulser> then I read the free book
May 25 10:03:33 <pulser> at git-scm.com
May 25 10:03:35 <pulser> it's BRILLIANT
May 25 10:03:39 <pulser> highly recommended to everyone
May 25 10:03:45 <pulser> there's pdf, kindle, online etc
May 25 10:03:57 <pulser> read it cover to cover, sure it may not be the most interesting book you'll read
May 25 10:04:02 <pulser> but bloody hell it was the most helpful
May 25 10:04:12 <pulser> it explains branches PROPERLY
May 25 10:04:44 <XXCoder> nice
May 25 10:05:12 <XXCoder> thanks for tip
May 25 10:05:22 <ebswift> ok, i've emailed that link to myself as a reminder
May 25 10:05:48 <XXCoder> whoa 3 am
May 25 10:05:51 <XXCoder> night
May 25 10:05:57 <ebswift> g'night
May 25 10:07:04 <ebswift> is there an actual decent rundown of google glass after that hand-around the other day?  the only thing I've gleened from online articles is that you can take pictures and review them in the glasses thingy
May 25 12:50:14 <yaboo> hi all I installed and love the 0.6 ics, been shown there is official nightly builds I can update. my issue, if I update, will I lose all apps installed etc.
May 25 12:56:32 <Flemmard`> if you don't wipe, no
May 25 13:02:06 <old-papa-work> Dlavik and Cache... Ge GooManager it will help.. On Google Play
May 25 13:02:21 <old-papa-work> Dalvik
May 25 13:52:40 * BaileyMonster is away: aka Tomen8r!!
May 25 13:59:57 <warrenv2> j ust installed 5 25 unofficial and the stock music player is no longer installed. cant find where to reinstall it.
May 25 14:11:17 <jcsullins> replaced w/ Apollo music app ...
May 25 14:12:08 <jcsullins> i.e. Apollo is now the stock music app
May 25 14:16:36 <TheBarron> jcsullins: fix my headphone jack issue yet? ;)
May 25 14:16:55 <scifan> Interesting... I notice that my touchpad rebooted at some point... (bluetooth was reset to off)
May 25 14:17:16 <TheBarron> it's fun when it decides to do it a bunch :)
May 25 14:18:16 <warrenv2> thanks
May 25 14:20:49 <scifan> point was it'd been up stable for several days... ;)
May 25 14:29:02 <warrenv2> apollo player very nice, have to get the black theme on the play store
May 25 14:35:57 <jcsullins> TheBarron: yep, just plug them in prior to opening app and it works fine
May 25 14:36:21 <kenh> If anyone hasn't seen it, HP touchpad accessories are on firesale prices right now at HP home store.  Chargers and cases for $4.99 each.
May 25 14:36:26 <TheBarron> hah, thanks for repeating back to me what I told you :p
May 25 14:36:36 <jcsullins> TheBarron: no problem
May 25 14:36:40 <TheBarron> kenh: and the sleeve thing for $2
May 25 14:36:54 <jcsullins> TheBarron: however, you were not first to notice that
May 25 14:36:55 <kenh> yeah, I don't like the sleeve myself but I picked up a spare case and two chargers.
May 25 14:37:15 <TheBarron> jcsullins: UH HUH! I'm LIKE SUPOER SPESHUL!
May 25 14:37:45 <blee> kenh i picked up 2 chargers, good deal on a nice looking charger and usb cord
May 25 14:37:49 <blee> ty
May 25 14:38:21 <kenh> blee: those chargers have some muscle becuase the TP draws a lot of power when charging.  I'm sure they're good for other tablets too.
May 25 14:39:11 <blee> def good to charge anything
May 25 14:39:16 <blee> i think its 2 amps
May 25 14:39:20 <blee> i dont have mine here
May 25 14:39:36 <TheBarron> I charge my phones with them :)
May 25 14:41:10 <TheBarron> yes, 2A
May 25 15:51:45 <jmdearras> Why does "Phone Radio" use 21% of my power?
May 25 15:54:21 <jcsullins> b/c the data used to calculate that is invalid
May 25 15:54:47 <jcsullins> is my guess
May 25 15:55:02 <old-papa-work> Time to charge TP, 15%...  been on for days..
May 25 15:55:43 <jmdearras> OK, thanks.
May 25 15:56:23 <jmdearras> spacex capsule about to dock!
May 25 15:57:02 <old-papa-work> jc, you mention music app called appollo, instead of stock?
May 25 15:57:13 <jcsullins> is now stock
May 25 15:57:21 <TheBarron> jcsullins: Why is phone radio code still in there?
May 25 15:58:14 <jcsullins> good question
May 25 15:58:55 <TheBarron> I expect on the whole, to start seeing more 'media player' ROMs since everyone is starting to pile up old android devices nowadays..
May 25 15:59:05 <TheBarron> but I kind of expected it to happen sooner
May 25 15:59:21 <old-papa-work> 100 questions hey..
May 25 15:59:25 <TheBarron> Been using a Droid Eris for a year or more now, wish it was stripped down more
May 25 15:59:36 <TheBarron> instead of turning on airplane then wifi..
May 25 15:59:57 <TheBarron> just rip ye old phone/3G radio code OUT :)
May 25 15:59:59 <jcsullins> I guess the "phone radio" code is still there b/c it was thought that it didn't REALLY provide any additional drain/etc.
May 25 16:00:45 <jcsullins> i.e. not really worth the effort to remove it
May 25 16:02:16 <TheBarron> save the space if nothing else, but probably some cycles too. crap like the Eris could use the cycles :)
May 25 16:02:51 <jcsullins> doubt it'd be anything noticable
May 25 16:03:40 <TheBarron> you haven't used an Eris, have you? :)
May 25 16:03:57 <TheBarron> well.. maybe you've used a Hero..
May 25 16:04:11 <jcsullins> none of the above
May 25 16:04:11 <TheBarron> oh wait.. I tend to forget what channel I'm in..
May 25 16:04:17 <TheBarron> right, that :)
May 25 16:05:32 <old-papa-work> Don't feel bad, I forgot my street address Wed...
May 25 16:05:40 <old-papa-work> Had to look at my driver lic.
May 25 16:05:56 * TheBarron blinks
May 25 16:06:08 <TheBarron> That's uhm.. disconcerting dude.
May 25 16:06:10 <TheBarron> No really.
May 25 16:06:11 <jcsullins> old-papa-work: how long you lived there?
May 25 16:06:14 <TheBarron> How long have you .. yeah, that
May 25 16:06:15 <old-papa-work> Of course I had an infected tooth
May 25 16:06:16 <jmdearras> how old is old-papa?
May 25 16:06:24 <old-papa-work> oh, since Nov of 2006
May 25 16:06:28 <old-papa-work> 63
May 25 16:06:31 <ire> lol
May 25 16:06:51 <jmdearras> something to look forward too.  I'm 60
May 25 16:07:07 <old-papa-work> yes, Its a trip..
May 25 16:07:31 <jmdearras> 1st gen nerd!
May 25 16:07:56 <jcsullins> I guess that's ok (the trip) as long as you have one of those alert buttons
May 25 16:08:08 <_litz> "I've fallen ...."
May 25 16:08:28 <TheBarron> papa: you know your address right now? :)
May 25 16:08:47 * _litz uses the boy scout method of navigation : "thattaway"
May 25 16:09:19 <old-papa-work> yes..
May 25 16:11:44 <old-papa-work> Hmm, blue screen pops up as i switch between apps or with in goomanager.. of cource im runing on 17% battery..
May 25 16:12:06 <jcsullins> 17% batt should not matter
May 25 16:12:33 <old-papa-work> I know...   Putting unofficial to see if it does any different.
May 25 16:15:06 <old-papa-work> long wait for prepare sd card..
May 25 16:16:34 <old-papa-work> Dars the Apollo app..
May 25 16:18:13 <old-papa-work> acting good now..
May 25 16:18:46 <jmdearras> 20mbps down and up!
May 25 16:30:48 <Kevin1981> whats dars the apollo app?
May 25 16:30:59 <jmdearras> which rom?
May 25 16:31:37 <old-papa-work> Unofficial  is where I found it.. audio app
May 25 16:38:55 <jmdearras> what is the difference between the goomaster roms, and the straight cyanogen ones?
May 25 16:41:50 <_litz> blue screens popping up should have been solved a week or so ago w/the memory fixes
May 25 16:42:00 <_litz> and should be in any recent build
May 25 16:43:35 <jmdearras> I just installed 2/25 and apollo is there.  No blue screens.  How do you pause and stop audio.
May 25 16:43:41 <old-papa-work> It was the last official I had, it just started to show up.. had not had that at all
May 25 16:44:11 <jmdearras> nm, I found the controls.
May 25 16:59:53 <jmdearras> is there a video player?
May 25 17:19:17 <TheBarron> hrm.. weird thing I'm having with my 5/22 TP.. winamp installs and works great.. until the next day, when it's all FC
May 25 17:19:55 <mastamoon|away> http://www.app.com/article/20120525/NJNEWS/305250001?fb_ref=artrectop&fb_source=home_multiline
May 25 17:19:57 <mastamoon|away> FML
May 25 17:20:17 <mastamoon|away> disregard, wrong window! lol
May 25 17:25:54 <bono> amI doing it right? http://i.imgur.com/Z8Fxb.jpg
May 25 17:26:22 <TheBarron> I think you misunderstood what I meant by 'video toaster'
May 25 17:27:02 <bono> mhm
May 25 17:29:29 <old-papa-work> Amiga Video Toaster, I got 2,
May 25 17:34:51 <old-papa-work> Anyone ever figure out what is the best setting to allow certain games on Play to download.. Been trying to get GSN Casino, on me phone, but won't dl to TP
May 25 17:35:17 <old-papa-work> Prob ICS issue
May 25 17:35:27 <TheBarron> old-papa: wondered if anyone in here would catch that
May 25 17:35:58 <TheBarron> If you have two Toasters though, I have to say.. I love you  man
May 25 17:36:03 <old-papa-work> prob not
May 25 17:36:12 <old-papa-work> :)
May 25 17:36:13 <TheBarron> <- Amigan at heart, to the death
May 25 17:36:39 <old-papa-work> Me have a 500, 2000, 4000... 2000 has toaster as well as the 4000
May 25 17:37:36 <TheBarron> My machines have had it now in storage, and I was too broke to ever have anything great.. but.. My 1200 rocked :)
May 25 17:37:52 <TheBarron> started with the 500
May 25 17:38:07 <TheBarron> owned a 2000 and a 3000, but never at the right time :)
May 25 17:38:59 <TheBarron> The Toaster though.. man, we don't get enough credit for *CREATING*  Desktop Video :)
May 25 17:39:25 <_litz> not many people realize that almost all the SFX on Babylon5 were done in Toasters
May 25 17:39:48 <TheBarron> Original season was.. I can't recall if that was true later though
May 25 17:40:00 <TheBarron> and holy hell, there's another one of us here
May 25 17:40:06 <TheBarron> :)
May 25 17:41:02 <TheBarron> yeah.. was only Amiga hardware the first season.. so.. might have still been Newtek stuff after that, not sure.. but not Amiga
May 25 17:41:48 <old-papa-work> They used Amiga to ruff in Jarasic park
May 25 17:42:14 <old-papa-work> Babylon 5 was all toasters..
May 25 17:42:26 <old-papa-work> Robocop TV series too
May 25 17:43:03 <old-papa-work> If I recall,   Robocop in a make belive helicopter
May 25 17:43:12 <XXCoder> old-papa-work: can always use old way
May 25 17:43:15 <XXCoder> transfer apk
May 25 17:44:23 <old-papa-work> Can't find it on the phone, not rooted..
May 25 17:44:27 <old-papa-work> I looked...
May 25 17:45:20 <XXCoder> isnt it in /data/app or something like that?
May 25 17:45:29 <old-papa-work> lemme look..
May 25 17:45:30 <TheBarron> I don't guess I realized that Wil Wheaton actually worked for Newtek for a while
May 25 17:45:59 <XXCoder> heh i hated that person when he was kid in TNG
May 25 17:46:04 <XXCoder> now I think hes awesome
May 25 17:46:23 <TheBarron> well.. he sucked in the role
May 25 17:46:27 <XXCoder> I know it wasnt his fault, it was bad writing
May 25 17:46:31 <TheBarron> and the role itself kinda sucked too
May 25 17:46:52 <TheBarron> oh that's not true. His role WAS bad writing, but he executed it poorly, as well
May 25 17:47:25 <XXCoder> hmm probably. been years since I last watched.
May 25 17:48:34 <old-papa-work> 0 items in data, let me see if in sdcard
May 25 17:51:33 <old-papa-work> hah, i was going to back it up, it has protect on it..
May 25 17:51:46 <Kevin1981> if one would have to choose a droid by motorola, which droid would you get?
May 25 17:51:58 <XXCoder> an actual droid. ;)
May 25 17:52:05 <XXCoder> r2d2 preferably
May 25 17:53:05 <Kevin1981> but r2d2 can only record and not call, and not to mention obiwan kenobi is the only on on the contacts list
May 25 17:53:06 <Kevin1981> ;x
May 25 17:54:10 <Kevin1981> id rather have more than one as my only hope
May 25 17:54:56 <Kevin1981> but really if you had to choose a droid which droid model would you get
May 25 17:55:43 <XXCoder> Kevin1981: oh didnt you know? r2d2 had 19g, just that it had no service since death star blew cellerar world ;)
May 25 17:56:04 <XXCoder> seriously I just use epic though so dunno.
May 25 17:56:26 <TheBarron> a 'droid' model, or a motorola model?
May 25 17:56:38 <TheBarron> cuz Droid is a Verizon brand, not a motorola brand
May 25 17:57:02 <TheBarron> Right now, I'm actually waiting on Verizon's new releases :)
May 25 17:57:07 <Kevin1981> sorry motorola droid model
May 25 17:57:22 <Kevin1981> ie droid x, droid bionic, etc
May 25 17:57:48 <TheBarron> I don't follow them real close, but probably the Droid Maxx
May 25 17:57:51 <Kevin1981> TheBarron, thats what im looking at now vzw offerings
May 25 17:57:56 <Kevin1981> thats the service i have
May 25 17:58:05 <TheBarron> I'm kind of waiting on the GS3
May 25 17:58:08 <Kevin1981> i am looking at the galaxy nexus too
May 25 17:58:16 <TheBarron> I don't think they're gonna get the One X, though not certain
May 25 17:58:31 <TheBarron> though I hear they may be getting a cool 5" screen HTC this fall :)
May 25 17:58:44 <Juggalotus> meh
May 25 17:58:47 <TheBarron> galaxy nexus is just too old for my taste, at this point
May 25 17:58:49 <Juggalotus> ill be on tmo by then
May 25 17:58:55 <Juggalotus> verizon can go fuck themselves
May 25 17:59:07 <TheBarron> verizon is my work phone, so verizon can go fuck my work :)
May 25 17:59:07 <killdash_9> << still liking my Gnex
May 25 17:59:17 <TheBarron> sprint is my personal
May 25 17:59:17 <Kevin1981> did the g nexus just drop like 4 months ago lol?
May 25 17:59:23 <Juggalotus> <---not paying for teired data
May 25 17:59:27 <killdash_9> 6 months
May 25 17:59:36 <killdash_9> November'ish
May 25 17:59:39 <killdash_9> I think
May 25 17:59:45 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: on tmo, you are dropped to edge speeds after the cap, you know that right? :)
May 25 17:59:48 <Kevin1981> heh didnt realize its been that long
May 25 17:59:55 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: yeah
May 25 17:59:59 <Kevin1981> whens vzw sposed to get hte gs3
May 25 18:00:01 <Juggalotus> id rather that then get raped by VZW if I go over
May 25 18:00:06 <TheBarron> Kevin: rsn
May 25 18:00:36 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: well, tmo isn't even a reasonable option around here, so sprint works out real well for me :)
May 25 18:00:44 <TheBarron> especially as I hate ATT more than Verizon
May 25 18:01:17 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: yeah verizon and at&t are on the same level
May 25 18:01:25 <Juggalotus> Im tired of paying out the ass for fucking service
May 25 18:01:27 <Juggalotus> its killing me
May 25 18:01:39 <Juggalotus> and Im not even on unlimited minutes for christ sakes
May 25 18:03:17 <killdash_9> I like VZW speeds compared to AT&T.  Fortunately, it's a work phone and we're pretty much locked on the unlimited plan.  :)
May 25 18:03:28 <Juggalotus> killdash_9: right on
May 25 18:03:46 <Juggalotus> Tmo just seems like a better carrier IMO
May 25 18:03:54 <scifan> When my current contract is up, I'm going to seriously look at Tmo...
May 25 18:03:55 <Juggalotus> and they seem very in touch with the community
May 25 18:04:05 <scifan> need to verify if they have service I can count on at home...
May 25 18:04:07 <Juggalotus> scifan: im most likely gonna cancel early
May 25 18:04:11 <killdash_9> My company makes internal components for phones, so we're kinda required to have newer phones.  It's a perk...
May 25 18:04:20 <Juggalotus> scifan: Im in BFE Shithole of California
May 25 18:04:29 <Juggalotus> and get 4G 10D/5Up
May 25 18:04:33 <scifan> (have to have a local little cell repeater to have adequate service for sprint  at my house...
May 25 18:04:51 <Kevin1981> well even if the g nexus is 6mo old, its in the right price range $199.99
May 25 18:05:06 <TheBarron> scifan: too bad. EVO 4G LTE is sweet :)
May 25 18:05:10 <Kevin1981> im sure the new gs3 will be out of my range when it drops in vzw
May 25 18:05:24 <killdash_9> 4G 20/30 down and 10-15 up...  depending on singnal strenght.  Those speeds beet my standard Time Warner internet package.
May 25 18:05:33 <TheBarron> oh.. that's true, VZW might pull that $300 crap
May 25 18:05:42 <killdash_9> $299 easy for the SG3
May 25 18:05:53 <TheBarron> EVO LTE was $200 :)
May 25 18:06:08 <TheBarron> got it for the wife, it. is. sweet.
May 25 18:06:08 <Juggalotus> isnt that sprints HTC One S
May 25 18:06:09 <Juggalotus> >
May 25 18:06:11 <Juggalotus> ?
May 25 18:06:14 <TheBarron> no, One X
May 25 18:06:17 <Juggalotus> oh yeah
May 25 18:06:18 <Kevin1981> TheBarron, your on vzw right?
May 25 18:06:19 <Juggalotus> even better
May 25 18:06:20 <Juggalotus> lol
May 25 18:06:26 <TheBarron> Kevin: Verizon, and Sprint
May 25 18:06:41 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: yeah.. except it has a card slot, a kickstand, and NFC chip :)
May 25 18:06:50 <Juggalotus> yup yup
May 25 18:06:52 <killdash_9> SG2 was $299
May 25 18:06:54 <Juggalotus> its a fucking slick device
May 25 18:06:58 <Juggalotus> and the cam on it is epic
May 25 18:07:00 <Juggalotus> from what ive seen
May 25 18:07:07 <TheBarron> it is. way more awesome to hold than the pics even
May 25 18:07:16 <Kevin1981> on vzw current offerings, on some of the cheaper android phones, ~150.00 or less. what would you pick (that can also run cm9)
May 25 18:07:19 <TheBarron> hells yes, 8Mp pictures WHILE taking 1080p video..
May 25 18:07:24 <Kevin1981> not sure if the wife will go for 199.99
May 25 18:07:27 <TheBarron> something like 3 frames/sec pictures ..
May 25 18:07:32 <Juggalotus> Kevin1981: hit up swapa
May 25 18:07:36 <killdash_9> SG3 is nice... but didn't impress me enough to want to fitch my GNex just yet
May 25 18:07:40 <killdash_9> ditch*
May 25 18:07:45 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: yup...big reason why i wanna go to tmo
May 25 18:07:46 <Juggalotus> :)
May 25 18:08:05 <Juggalotus> and im just overall tired of cdma
May 25 18:08:10 <Juggalotus> or verizon lte
May 25 18:08:15 <TheBarron> SG3 was a disappointment, but I don't think VZW is gonna have anything better until the fall.. And I need an upgrade for my work Droid X yesterday :)
May 25 18:08:28 <killdash_9> the whole ICS fiasco makes me question sticking with VZW
May 25 18:08:32 <TheBarron> WTF do you care if it's CDMA or not?
May 25 18:08:32 <Juggalotus> I get plenty good speeds around here on tmo
May 25 18:08:36 <Kevin1981> Juggalotus, whats swapa
May 25 18:08:44 <Juggalotus> swappa.com
May 25 18:08:47 <Juggalotus> used device seller
May 25 18:08:52 <Juggalotus> pretty well known by folks
May 25 18:08:54 <scifan> I'm not concerned about CDMA... I'm tired of my cellphone bill being my most expensive utility...  (well... this side of electricity)
May 25 18:08:55 <Kevin1981> oh
May 25 18:08:57 <TheBarron> and what's wrong with verizon lte? (not saying nothing is.. just wondering)
May 25 18:09:20 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: meant to say im tired of verizons lte, mainly because of development
May 25 18:09:27 <Juggalotus> and outages
May 25 18:09:28 <TheBarron> scifan: on sprint? You're not really gonna improve on that elsewhere.. although, I see a bigger savings with 4 lines, and the referal program I'm on
May 25 18:09:33 <Juggalotus> and overall inconsistency in the network
May 25 18:09:41 <Juggalotus> fucking destroys my battery when im in a 4g area
May 25 18:09:46 <Juggalotus> it's just annoying
May 25 18:09:49 <TheBarron> ah.. well, TMobile fixes that. By not having a network
May 25 18:09:56 <killdash_9> Here in NC, AT&T (HSPA) doesn't even compare to Verizon LTE
May 25 18:09:58 <Juggalotus> for the amont im paying....now im getting tiered? fuck all that
May 25 18:10:09 <Kevin1981> tbh 4g/lte really isnt a concern for me yet, as my town doesnt even have the infrastruction running yet
May 25 18:10:22 <TheBarron> well.. you'll only get tiered when you get a new subsidized phone. but yeah. though.. not yet
May 25 18:10:30 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: like I said...here in bum fuck egypt I got a guy that has tmo and he gets 10down/5up
May 25 18:10:31 <scifan> I want data... not as many minutes... hardly ever actually TALK on my phone... (service sucks in my office is part of it)
May 25 18:10:47 <scifan> can go with a lower end "month to month plan" and cut my monthly cost in half...
May 25 18:10:51 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: well, carrier choice really is all about where you are. so good for you :)
May 25 18:11:00 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: no doubt
May 25 18:11:14 <Juggalotus> but I just cant justify the cost of VZW anymore
May 25 18:11:15 <TheBarron> but at 10 down.. you'll enjoy that fast data for a few minutes a month :)
May 25 18:11:25 <scifan> tmo unlimited data/text w/ ~ 100 minutes... is ~ 35 per month per line...
May 25 18:11:31 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: not with a 5G plan
May 25 18:11:39 <Juggalotus> scifan: exactly
May 25 18:11:46 <Juggalotus> Id go with the higher tier of data personally though
May 25 18:12:13 <TheBarron> scifan: again.. unlimited yes, unlimited high speed, no. However, if 5G is plenty for you then that's irrelevant
May 25 18:12:28 <scifan> why?  spend ~ 8+ hours at work every day - with ~ 100MB internet... and then at home most of the rest of the time...
May 25 18:12:42 <scifan> MOST of my current cellphone data is carried on wifi anyway
May 25 18:12:45 <Juggalotus> i spend a lot of time traveling for fun
May 25 18:12:46 <TheBarron> my phone IS my internet at home :)
May 25 18:12:52 <Juggalotus> I actually get away from the computer ;)
May 25 18:12:52 <Kevin1981> lol on swappa for the gnexus Verizon
May 25 18:12:52 <Kevin1981>  $320 - $435 (6)
May 25 18:13:00 <Exiles> my phone is my internet on the go
May 25 18:13:07 <Juggalotus> Kevin1981: yeah...for folks that dont have an upgrade
May 25 18:13:12 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: might wanna check TMo map for your travel area(s)...
May 25 18:13:14 <scifan> I just have to actually get my wife to believe that tmo would be ok...
May 25 18:13:14 <Juggalotus> taht is actually a good deal
May 25 18:13:30 <Kevin1981> i just found out that my wife and i are eligble for a upgrade now
May 25 18:13:51 <Juggalotus> Kevin1981: well then go for it and get tiered ;)
May 25 18:13:58 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: true true
May 25 18:14:16 <TheBarron> Kevin: personally of the opinion that right now is a good time to wait for new phones at Verizon. BUT with your $150 restriction.. I dunno there
May 25 18:14:27 <scifan> I've been on my LG for ~ 1.5 years... I'm waiting to get out of my contract... ;)
May 25 18:14:29 <TheBarron> the tiered thing hasn't started yet
May 25 18:14:34 <Kevin1981> im not worried about data, home i have wifi , work i have wifi, rarely in a place that doesnt have wifi
May 25 18:14:34 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: i go to SD mostly
May 25 18:14:39 <Juggalotus> and the coverage there is just blanketed lol
May 25 18:14:40 <TheBarron> oh lord, you're on an LG?
May 25 18:14:54 <scifan> yeah... POC... but it works...
May 25 18:14:55 <TheBarron> LG has always sucked.. although they have some tempting looking stuff in the pipeline
May 25 18:15:01 <Juggalotus> Kevin1981: I worry cuz my apartment has too many AP's
May 25 18:15:06 <Juggalotus> even channel 13 drops
May 25 18:15:09 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: sweet
May 25 18:15:13 <scifan> back when I bought it... there was a ~ $400 swing between the "Free LG" and the EVO which I couldn't find ANYWHERE...
May 25 18:15:35 <TheBarron> huh? EVO was always $200.. subsidized anyway
May 25 18:15:36 <scifan> * 400 per line... including the ~ $10 per month surcharge that sprint now feeds to ANYONE who has an android phone
May 25 18:15:42 <Kevin1981> does gps navi use data?
May 25 18:15:46 <TheBarron> not android phone, any smartphone
May 25 18:15:48 <scifan> no... counting that extra 240 for the surchage...
May 25 18:15:50 <scifan> oh, ok
May 25 18:15:52 <scifan> my bad
May 25 18:15:53 <TheBarron> kevank: yes
May 25 18:15:53 <Juggalotus> Kevin1981: yeah
May 25 18:15:55 <scifan> their ****
May 25 18:16:02 <Juggalotus> cuz the map needs to be loaded
May 25 18:16:04 <Juggalotus> but it preloads alot
May 25 18:16:05 <kevank> ??
May 25 18:16:14 <Juggalotus> i think u can preload before you leave and itll cache it on the device
May 25 18:16:15 <TheBarron> scifan: so your LG isn't a smartphone.. you're just on a regular phone?
May 25 18:16:29 <XXCoder> scifan: yeah Im almost tempted to change back to my blackberry to save $20 monthly.
May 25 18:16:42 <scifan> no...
May 25 18:16:45 <Kevin1981> thats what i have now a regular lg clamshell dumbphone
May 25 18:16:57 <TheBarron> scifan: even with the $10 surcharge, they're still cheaper than ATT and VZW.. although ATT and VZWs new plan offerings are working on muddying the waters
May 25 18:17:16 <scifan> I bought my lg optimus S about 4 months before sprint changed their plan and forced everyone to pay the $10 per month per phone...
May 25 18:17:20 <TheBarron> kevank: bad nick completion
May 25 18:17:29 <kevank> ah :)
May 25 18:17:30 <kevank> np
May 25 18:17:40 <XXCoder> I was wondering about prepaids. is there cheap data prepaid?
May 25 18:17:45 <scifan> so my phone's a 600mhz android... running 2.3.3 that's modded and tweaked about as far and as fast as it can get...
May 25 18:18:01 <scifan> it's about as good as the "stock" rom on my droid-x for work... which is significantly faster cpu wise...
May 25 18:18:26 <TheBarron> what are you talking about? .. oh that's right.. they sort of faded in the $10 fee
May 25 18:18:39 <scifan> yep
May 25 18:18:39 <TheBarron> cuz it's your bad to have bought that phone when the EVO was already out :p
May 25 18:18:48 <scifan> January... my contract's up in January... ;)
May 25 18:19:06 <TheBarron> you know ETF is prorated, right? :)
May 25 18:19:20 <TheBarron> I run Liberty on my Droid X
May 25 18:19:24 <scifan> true... but I'm not certain it's worth it...
May 25 18:19:27 <Juggalotus> mine is up in march
May 25 18:19:31 <Juggalotus> and i only owe 220 bux
May 25 18:19:40 <TheBarron> although it's still a bit wacky lately. I need to wipe it..
May 25 18:19:42 <Juggalotus> with 3 lines
May 25 18:19:49 <scifan> I rooted my x and put liberty on it... then realized I really SHOULDN'T have done that to my work phone... so I reverted it back to stock...
May 25 18:19:57 <scifan> (nearly bricked it with an update at one point...)
May 25 18:20:02 <TheBarron> <shrug> screw work :p
May 25 18:20:03 <Kevin1981> is there a way you can force wifi only and warn if its going to use 3g/4g data?
May 25 18:20:10 <scifan> yes
May 25 18:20:23 <TheBarron> Kevin: you can turn off mobile data.. least on most phones
May 25 18:20:26 <scifan> you can turn off 3G data entirely...
May 25 18:20:38 <Kevin1981> nice
May 25 18:20:44 <Kevin1981> thats most likely what i would do
May 25 18:20:53 <Juggalotus> ICS has data moderation built in to it too
May 25 18:20:58 <Kevin1981> 2gb = $30.00
May 25 18:21:01 <scifan> you can't put a plan on a smart phone without data...
May 25 18:21:05 <Kevin1981> that be plenty for me anyways
May 25 18:21:05 <Juggalotus> id blow thru 2GB easy
May 25 18:21:06 <scifan> at least not in most cases...
May 25 18:21:08 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: <shrug> I have 4 lines all with EVOs, essentially unlimited everything, under $200/mo.. so I'm not moving anytime soon
May 25 18:21:30 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: Im on 2 lines and 1 dummy line for around 200 a month
May 25 18:21:31 <Juggalotus> oh yeah
May 25 18:21:35 <TheBarron> scifan: no.. but he can at least get the lowest plan that way..
May 25 18:21:38 <Juggalotus> with unlimited data but only 700 minutes
May 25 18:22:18 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: I have unlimited data obviously, and 1600 minutes - but, nights/weekends start at 7pm, and all calls to any cellphone any network are unlimited
May 25 18:22:24 <TheBarron> so the 1600 is just for landline calls
May 25 18:22:35 <Juggalotus> yeah VZW jsut rapes me
May 25 18:22:38 <Juggalotus> no goodies
May 25 18:22:48 <Juggalotus> and I pay more than every other person on different carrier
May 25 18:22:49 <TheBarron> yeah.. we pay over $300/mo here at work for about the same deal
May 25 18:22:56 <Juggalotus> that's wy im just getting away
May 25 18:22:59 <Juggalotus> it aint gonna get better
May 25 18:23:08 <TheBarron> but.. at least in the past, verizon's coverage is mostly unmatched
May 25 18:23:13 <TheBarron> especially 3g coverage
May 25 18:23:14 <scifan> IF you wanted to be bad... you could do some research about how to clone the ESN from a non smart phone to your android... ;)
May 25 18:23:23 <_litz> It's been interesting watching verizon backpeddle on the "get rid of unlimited" thing too ...
May 25 18:23:26 <TheBarron> TMo's and even ATT's 3g coverage was a fucking joke until recently
May 25 18:23:32 <scifan> (I know it can be done... but don't know how to do it... and I'm certain that you can get in trouble for doing that...)
May 25 18:23:36 <_litz> first it was unlimited = bye byte ...
May 25 18:23:56 <_litz> then it's "no, you can keep it if you renew nondiscounted"
May 25 18:24:06 <_litz> then it became "customers upgrading from 3g"
May 25 18:24:15 <_litz> and now it's no longer clear exactly WHAT they mean
May 25 18:24:26 <TheBarron> well.. it was never actually official statements anyway
May 25 18:24:45 <TheBarron> other than 'we're going to fuck you over later this summer'
May 25 18:24:47 <scifan> tmo only interests me because their 4G coverage appears to actually be very good in my area... (tested a phone for work...)
May 25 18:24:55 <_litz> a statement by the president of the company can be considered fairly official
May 25 18:25:00 <TheBarron> not really
May 25 18:26:08 <_litz> my prediction is, when all is said an done, people already on 4g will keep their plans
May 25 18:26:13 <_litz> and people upgrading to 4g won't
May 25 18:26:38 <TheBarron> yeah.. which is why I need to upgrade to something now, before they implement it
May 25 18:26:53 <_litz> depends - are you already on 4g?
May 25 18:26:55 <TheBarron> but damned if they don't have a phone out yet.. prolly gonna hold the shit until they change the plans up
May 25 18:27:00 <_litz> what this is gonna nail is the iphone users
May 25 18:27:04 <TheBarron> no.. Droid X
May 25 18:27:10 <_litz> ohhhhhh
May 25 18:27:15 <_litz> maybe jump to a rezound?
May 25 18:27:19 <TheBarron> considering it
May 25 18:27:28 <_litz> I'm still sitting on a thunderbolt
May 25 18:27:37 <_litz> works fine ... really not sure what to upgrade to, if anything
May 25 18:27:41 <TheBarron> just keep thinking any day now they're gonna release the GS3 before the changes
May 25 18:27:50 <_litz> the upgrades themselves aren't worth anything like they used to be either
May 25 18:27:56 <_litz> stuff that used to be 49 or 99 is 199 now
May 25 18:28:01 <_litz> plus a 30 buck surcharge
May 25 18:28:04 <Juggalotus> ^
May 25 18:28:10 <TheBarron> yeah.. verizon has really gotten away with jacking the prices
May 25 18:28:28 <TheBarron> couldn't believe the $299 think worked
May 25 18:28:39 <TheBarron> thank god sprint kept the EVO at $199
May 25 18:28:46 <Juggalotus> yup...and all these corps are laughing all the way to the bank
May 25 18:28:47 <_litz> I'm really wondering if I should just let the contract sit and buy the next one on ebay for 199 or 299 or whatever and switch the EIN
May 25 18:29:05 <Juggalotus> hehe
May 25 18:29:16 <TheBarron> litz: thing is.. that doesn't make much sense either. Because you're paying to subsidize a phone whether you get one or not
May 25 18:29:48 <TheBarron> so the way I figure it.. might as well spend the upgrade, then switch out a full retail phone if you need something different, or need to to maintain unlimited, etc
May 25 18:29:51 <_litz> yeah ... but if the phone cost itself is close to the same ... you end up w/newer phone and no contract.
May 25 18:29:58 <Juggalotus> If I can keep my unlimited data if I buy my own phone unsubdsidized
May 25 18:30:02 <Juggalotus> I MIGHT stick with VZW
May 25 18:30:10 <Juggalotus> but it all depends on what this shit leads
May 25 18:30:11 <_litz> oh, see in my case I already HAVE unlimited on 4g
May 25 18:30:13 <TheBarron> YOU CAN KEEP YOUR UNLIMITED REGARDLESS right NOW :)
May 25 18:30:23 <Juggalotus> yeah
May 25 18:30:24 <Juggalotus> right now
May 25 18:30:29 <Juggalotus> but I dont want my bionic anymore
May 25 18:30:52 <scifan> reality is for me... IF tmo still has that $30-35 plan, I'll probably switch over to that and just outright buy a phone... no contract... less $$$ per month... who cares if it's ~ $270 or what not... I'll easily make that up over the lifespan of what a contract would have cost...
May 25 18:31:03 <TheBarron> hrm.. give the Bionic to me :p
May 25 18:31:25 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: solid radios, but the display is shit and the cam blows ass
May 25 18:31:36 <TheBarron> Now TMo is the one carrier where you MAY not be paying to subsidize a phone regardless... used to be that way anyway, not sure now
May 25 18:32:00 <TheBarron> Juggalotus: oh I know, I just need something with LTE. There's a chance I have LTE signal at my house, but I don't know for sure..
May 25 18:32:07 <TheBarron> and like I said.. my phone is my internet at home :)
May 25 18:32:09 <Exiles> scifan I've been thinking of doing the same thing
May 25 18:32:14 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: ask to evaluate a phone
May 25 18:32:17 <Juggalotus> to see if u got coverage
May 25 18:32:29 <TheBarron> I've never had any carrier do that
May 25 18:32:37 <TheBarron> they all say sign up and return it
May 25 18:32:45 <Juggalotus> rhcp: has evaluated 3-5 diff carriers
May 25 18:32:49 <Juggalotus> let  him do it for 2 weeks
May 25 18:32:52 <_litz> I just checked ... the CHEAPEST upgrade available (for a decent LTE phone) for me is 169 + the 30 buck fee
May 25 18:33:05 <_litz> I can buy any of those devices on ebay for <$100 more than that
May 25 18:33:07 <TheBarron> suppose it depends on your definition of 'evaluate' :)
May 25 18:33:22 <Juggalotus> TheBarron: its worth a shot
May 25 18:33:25 <Juggalotus> but eh up to you
May 25 18:33:51 <_litz> so there really is no incentive for me to buy the upgrade, and take out another 2 year contract
May 25 18:34:26 <Juggalotus> _litz: nope...corps will continue to get greedier
May 25 18:34:36 <Juggalotus> until we cant even afford to use data
May 25 18:34:55 <_litz> ahh, but see ... if you don't take out a new contract, you KEEP your existing one
May 25 18:35:16 <_litz> so if you currently have unlimited 4g data, you can't lose it unless you do a new contract (and the policy is you switch to a limited plan)
May 25 18:35:19 <Juggalotus> doesnt th contract end after 2 years?
May 25 18:35:34 <_litz> the contract stays in effect (month to month) until replaced w/a new one
May 25 18:35:45 <_litz> what ends is your early termination penalty fee
May 25 18:35:46 <Juggalotus> ok but if ur on month to month
May 25 18:35:53 <Juggalotus> then its a new contract ;)
May 25 18:35:57 <Juggalotus> cuz it isnt 2 years anymore
May 25 18:35:57 <_litz> nope
May 25 18:36:00 <Juggalotus> ur now month to month
May 25 18:36:06 <_litz> it's written in the contract that until replaced, the terms remain in effect
May 25 18:36:19 <Juggalotus> didnt see the preovision
May 25 18:36:22 <Juggalotus> prolly need to check it again
May 25 18:36:24 <_litz> really ALL the contracts are month to month.  You can cancel at any time.
May 25 18:36:34 <_litz> it's the ETF that keeps people from cancelling.
May 25 18:45:30 <Kevin1981> hmm according to my sister in law, which my wife and i have a "family" plan with, our contract is still under the unlimited data. plan. she has a iphone 4 right now, wife and i's phones are now eligible for upgrade. if we upgrade to android phones with the current contract, will we be forced to change or lose the unlimited data?
May 25 18:46:36 <TheBarron> upgrades right now, as I understand, are still grandfathered unlimited. You don't lose that on upgrade until they implement their new plan structure this summer
May 25 18:46:52 <XXCoder> I think one company is killing unlimited, even grandfathered one. was it vzn?
May 25 18:47:03 <Kevin1981> ok so we need to upgrade fast
May 25 18:47:10 <TheBarron> we're talking about verizon. what I said above.
May 25 18:47:23 <TheBarron> Kevin: yeah.. it's the situation I'm in too, with the work phone...
May 25 18:47:25 <XXCoder> TheBarron: I was asking if it was vzn.. lol
May 25 18:47:48 <TheBarron> yes. you must've been asleep the past hour ;)
May 25 18:48:01 <Kevin1981> also _litz, doesnt the etf apply only if you got your phone at the contract signup price? isnt the etf null if you buy the phones outright full price?
May 25 18:48:32 <XXCoder> Kevin1981: good question actually
May 25 18:48:40 <Kevin1981> as they are not subsidizing the cost of the phone
May 25 18:49:02 <TheBarron> the ETF is if you get a 2 yr contract because you get a subsidized phone. If you pay outright, it's not 2 yr contract. This is fairly straightforward on an existing line, dunno about for new service
May 25 18:50:15 <XXCoder> does being on month to month mean any plan changes or bill increases are effective as soon as next month comes?
May 25 18:50:45 <_litz> it's no different for new service
May 25 18:51:00 <_litz> technically every new contract is "new service" (e.g., they reset the 'clock')
May 25 18:51:15 <_litz> there is no ETF if you buy full price.
May 25 18:51:23 <XXCoder> ah so expired contract it stays on old contract?
May 25 18:52:05 <_litz> all terms of the old contract should remain as long as you maintain service, far as I understand.
May 25 18:52:22 <_litz> they DO retain the right to change the terms of the service (e.g. raise prices, etc), but you have to be notified in advance.
May 25 18:52:22 <Kevin1981> so i need to talk to the wife here this evening and let her know about the current upgrade eligibility with the grandfathered unlimited sitll in play
May 25 18:52:32 <Kevin1981> need to act fast i suspect before summ
May 25 18:52:34 <Kevin1981> er
May 25 18:52:39 <XXCoder> _litz: thanks on info
May 25 18:52:40 <_litz> if you are currently 3g, that probably is a good idea.
May 25 18:52:51 <_litz> esp. check this weekend - could be sale prices due to holiday
May 25 18:53:13 <TheBarron> yeah.. Like I say.. at this moment I'm still holding out for a GS3 release date, but it's becoming more and more of a gamble
May 25 19:11:09 <Kevin1981> _litz, if they notify you of changes that involve pricing, does that mean you have the right to say "i want out" or are you just fucked
May 25 19:14:42 <_litz> you have the right while under contract to say out, w/no ETF
May 25 19:14:57 <_litz> after contract period (since there's no ETF) you either cancel, or renew
May 25 19:15:23 <_litz> you can always try and negotiate too
May 25 19:15:28 <Kevin1981> ahh ok
May 25 19:15:44 <_litz> it's not unheard of for companies to waive changes if you agree to a new contract term under old agreement
May 25 19:16:03 <_litz> (e.g., you guarnatee them another 2 years, they don't change your terms)
May 25 19:16:04 <Kevin1981> ahh
May 25 19:16:15 <Kevin1981> thats nice
May 25 19:16:34 <_litz> after your contract ends YOU are in the driver's seat ... they WANT you locked down because that's money in the bank, accounting-wise
May 25 19:16:35 <Kevin1981> but has all this finally come to light on protecting the customer because of all the lawsuits?
May 25 19:16:51 <_litz> probably
May 25 19:17:18 <Kevin1981> locked down or not though if you buy the phones outright they cant do anything to you?
May 25 19:18:05 <_litz> buying the phone outright is no different than buying it on ebay
May 25 19:18:06 <Kevin1981> see thats what my wife and i did when we jumped on her sisters plan, we bought the phones outright
May 25 19:18:14 <_litz> you change the EIN on your account and that's it
May 25 19:19:24 <Kevin1981> basically, we jumped into her sisters plan, and when we did that they made her sign a new contract, but we bought the phones for wife and i full price at the vzw store
May 25 19:19:47 <Kevin1981> 2yr contract
May 25 19:21:33 <_litz> yeah, I bet she had to do the new 2 yr because of the additional phones on the account
May 25 19:21:45 <_litz> that's a change in plan structure
May 25 19:22:25 <Kevin1981> i guess i wonder if we decided to say we want out within those 2 years would they try to charge a etf even though we bought the phones full price
May 25 19:23:04 <_litz> check the contract language.  if there's an ETF, it's clearly stated
May 25 19:23:13 <_litz> my guess is not, since there is no phone discount attached
May 25 19:23:21 <Kevin1981> or would they not charge us but charge her because her phone was subsidized
May 25 19:23:33 <Kevin1981> as the contract would change again
May 25 19:24:01 <_litz> if HER phone was subsidized, then yes - there's an ETF on the account, tied to her phone.
May 25 19:24:44 <Kevin1981> and ofcourse they would make her pay because if we backed out the contract would change
May 25 19:24:48 <Kevin1981> sneakey
May 25 19:25:43 <_litz> yep
May 25 19:25:57 <TheBarron> the way it works with sprint is that the new lines will be on the 2 year, but the original line isn't
May 25 19:26:19 <Kevin1981> ahh
May 25 19:26:29 <Kevin1981> now THAT makes more sense
May 25 19:26:50 <TheBarron> so she could cancel THAT line with no ETF, but still stuck with the new lines
May 25 19:27:05 <Kevin1981> but cell phone carriers are just like credit card giants
May 25 19:27:11 <Kevin1981> in the way they act
May 25 19:27:16 <TheBarron> sorry, still reading what you typed above
May 25 19:27:18 <_litz> verizon doesn't do accounts by line ... only by the parent account
May 25 19:27:25 <_litz> any change in the line structure = change in the parent account
May 25 19:27:56 <TheBarron> it's kinda both ways on sprint
May 25 19:27:58 <scifan> So... I'm down to a ~ $70 per line ETF...
May 25 19:28:38 <TheBarron> but honestly, I don't see how there could be any ETF on his account, unless she got a new phone. This is kind of like the 'new service' caveat I mentioned above..
May 25 19:28:45 <Kevin1981> heh wife and i have not etf but would screw her sister
May 25 19:28:48 <Kevin1981> so we wont go there
May 25 19:29:31 <TheBarron> well.. shouldn't have signed two year contract if she wasn't getting a new phone
May 25 19:29:52 <scifan> that was actually part of why we moved from verzion when we moved several years ago... (to make someone get their own service...)
May 25 19:31:43 <Kevin1981> she did get a new phone aswell
May 25 19:31:49 <Kevin1981> thats when she got the iphone 4
May 25 19:31:55 <Kevin1981> she subsidized hers
May 25 19:32:00 <Kevin1981> while we bought ours
May 25 19:33:03 <TheBarron> ok.. yeah, so it all makes sense then. You could just cancel your lines no ETF, she'd drop her plan to a single line plan but still under the same contract length term
May 25 19:33:13 <TheBarron> even with verizon, I'm fairly certain that's how it'd work
May 25 19:33:19 <Kevin1981> so really she screwed herself lol and we were smart
May 25 19:33:47 <TheBarron> then you could send your two phones to me. what were they? :0
May 25 19:34:17 <Kevin1981> lol TheBarron they are dumbphones
May 25 19:34:20 <TheBarron> oh nevermind :)
May 25 19:34:21 <Kevin1981> mines a lg clamshell
May 25 19:34:28 <Kevin1981> wifes was a samsung slider
May 25 19:35:00 <old-papa-work> I need to fool google play device info...
May 25 19:36:05 <TheBarron> just change it in build.prop, no?
May 25 19:36:25 <Kevin1981> i use SGH-T989 in my build.prop
May 25 19:36:41 <old-papa-work> dunno, I give it a go..
May 25 19:37:32 <old-papa-work> model right
May 25 19:38:30 <Kevin1981> its 4 lines in build.prop
May 25 19:38:56 <old-papa-work> 4 hey
May 25 19:39:05 <Kevin1981> SHG-T989 - samsung - SGH-T989 - SGH-T989
May 25 19:39:23 <Kevin1981> SGH*
May 25 19:40:34 <Kevin1981> model - brand - name - device
May 25 19:40:49 <old-papa-work> got it..
May 25 19:41:04 <old-papa-work> now to reboot
May 25 19:45:29 <old-papa-work> Nope, still wont see it.. damn
May 25 19:45:44 <old-papa-work> wow, a reboot... did I do that
May 25 19:53:48 <old-papa-work> Might an ICS issue...
May 25 20:00:06 <_litz> hmm ... just yesterday we were talking about raspberry pi's and shipping ...
May 25 20:00:07 <_litz> Carrier Name: UPS
May 25 20:00:08 <_litz> Carrier Service: E14 UPS GROUND
May 25 20:00:08 <_litz> Shipment Date: 05/25/2012 11:37:37
May 25 20:01:14 <XXCoder> you just got shipping info? nice
May 25 20:01:24 <ebswift> very good
May 25 20:01:25 <_litz> btw - did you compile complete?
May 25 20:02:01 <ebswift> i've got the rpi open on the other monitor... it ain't so simple for linux newbies :D
May 25 20:05:14 <ebswift> pi
May 25 20:05:20 <ebswift> gah, wrong monitor
May 25 20:08:04 <XXCoder> lol
May 25 20:27:48 <scifan> ebswift: it sucks when someone does a wr erase and reboot on the wrong terminal... ;)
May 25 20:28:35 <ebswift> oh, don't wish that on me... luckily though, one's windows, the other is linux, so i should be fine
May 25 20:28:49 <ebswift> i just got chromium running, my first achievement, however small
May 25 20:29:23 <scifan> (several years ago, someone did that here... where they were switching between a test switch... and a production switch (vending connections to multiple servers...)
May 25 20:29:35 <scifan> was um... interesting - glad I didn't do it... though I had to fix it...
May 25 20:29:48 <scifan> mixed vlan environment...
May 25 20:30:45 <ebswift> oh man, not nice lol
May 25 21:35:52 <Plazma> eom 69
May 25 22:28:59 <ReverendKJR> wazzzzzzup!
May 25 22:29:07 <ReverendKJR> who has a working camera?????
May 25 22:29:20 <Caleb> was it fixed
May 25 22:41:42 * BaileyMonster is back (gone 08:49:01)
May 25 22:41:52 <BaileyMonster> Camera still busted .. on my build, at least .
May 25 22:42:03 <BaileyMonster> and I have last nights' nightly
May 25 22:57:19 * BaileyMonster is away: aka Tomen8r!!
May 25 23:47:00 <jmdearras2> hello
May 26 00:03:39 * _litz wasn't aware the "camera fix" was in any build, yet
May 26 00:18:56 <jmdearras> _litz, is it?
May 26 00:21:17 <resistivecorpse> what was that change # for the camera changes? (the main one, that listed all the other camera changes as dependencies)
May 26 00:22:05 <drmarble> http://review.cyanogenmod.com/#/c/16532/
May 26 00:22:07 <infomaniac> Title: Gerrit Code Review (at review.cyanogenmod.com)
May 26 00:22:11 <resistivecorpse> thanks :)
May 26 00:22:47 <resistivecorpse> jmdearras, well none of the changes are merged so i would guess they arent in any nightly yet
May 26 00:22:57 <jmdearras> ok
May 26 00:24:04 <resistivecorpse> tho ive heard the camera still doesnt work with those changes as they are now
May 26 00:24:26 <resistivecorpse> i believe someone built with them the other day and reported it's still broken
May 26 00:46:13 <ReverendKJR> It's Friday!  Who's cool enough to be in here right now???
May 26 00:46:39 <resistivecorpse> <-- this guy ;)
May 26 00:46:44 <ReverendKJR> boooyah!
May 26 00:46:56 <resistivecorpse> its too early here to go out drinking so...
May 26 00:47:09 <ReverendKJR> Too early?  I'm on my second beer
May 26 00:47:27 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 26 00:47:30 <ReverendKJR> Double Chocolate Stout.  Yummmmmm....
May 26 00:47:44 <resistivecorpse> young's? that stuff is great!
May 26 00:48:03 <ReverendKJR> YES!  I KNow!  I just discovered it
May 26 00:48:11 <resistivecorpse> not the beer i would pick to get drunk on but darn tasty
May 26 00:48:31 <ReverendKJR> i'm working my way up to some Irish Car Bombs.  It seemed like a logical progression
May 26 00:48:41 <resistivecorpse> i found it about 2 years ago when a buddy offered me one cuz it was the only thing he had left to drink
May 26 00:48:51 <resistivecorpse> i was amazed and went out the next day to get more :)
May 26 00:48:58 <ReverendKJR> very fortunate for you
May 26 00:49:08 <resistivecorpse> yeah, that sounds like a logical progression for drinking :)
May 26 00:49:11 <ReverendKJR> i discovered it at a british pub in Kentucky.  Figure that one out.
May 26 00:49:28 <resistivecorpse> irish car bomds are also way more delicious than they have a right to be
May 26 00:49:41 <resistivecorpse> hahaha, thats a funny place to find that particular beer
May 26 00:49:50 <ReverendKJR> you just drink them so damn fast, you almost dont get to enjoy it
May 26 00:50:03 <resistivecorpse> yeah, but those 3 seconds are soo nice :p
May 26 00:51:08 <ReverendKJR> yup
May 26 00:51:43 <resistivecorpse> best think about irish car bombs is you always have to get someone to do it with you
May 26 00:51:57 <resistivecorpse> so you can ask a cute girl at a bar if she wants a drink :)
May 26 00:52:37 <resistivecorpse> (since at a bar unless guiness is on tap, 1 bottle makes 2 car bombs)
May 26 00:52:39 <ReverendKJR> very true.  nobody ever turns you down for that drink
May 26 00:52:45 <resistivecorpse> yeah :)
May 26 00:53:28 <ReverendKJR> So more on topic, I had a guy hunt me down and ask me to install CM9 on two Touchpads for him today.
May 26 00:53:38 <resistivecorpse> nice
May 26 00:53:45 <ReverendKJR> He was humbled in my presence. :)
May 26 00:53:52 <resistivecorpse> hahah
May 26 00:54:03 * resistivecorpse bows down before the mighty ReverendKJR 
May 26 00:54:04 <resistivecorpse> ;)
May 26 00:54:07 <ReverendKJR> It took me 10 minutes and he was on his way.
May 26 00:54:51 <ReverendKJR> I would love to just sit at a table in front of a Best Buy or something and just load CM9 for people.  THat would be hilarious
May 26 00:55:59 <jmdearras> What is a good IRC client for ICS/Touchpad?
May 26 00:56:39 * BaileyMonster is back (gone 01:59:19)
May 26 00:57:01 <BaileyMonster> define irony - the reverend, the minister of digital devices, is making car bombs ..
May 26 00:57:12 <BaileyMonster> nice .. lol
May 26 00:57:13 <resistivecorpse> hahaha
May 26 00:57:39 <ReverendKJR> I love being ironic.
May 26 00:57:46 <BaileyMonster> awesome!
May 26 00:58:07 <ReverendKJR> jmdearras, there are a bunch of them, and I think they all suck.
May 26 00:59:02 <jmdearras> That has been my experience, so far.
May 26 00:59:27 <ReverendKJR> i use webchat most of the time since it works in my office and at home.
May 26 00:59:39 <resistivecorpse> i dont mind androIRC, the only downside is it shows my irc password in plaintext in the logcat
May 26 01:00:13 <jmdearras2> this one has no scroll back
May 26 01:00:45 <resistivecorpse> androIRC doesnt load scrollback when it starts either, even with logging turned on
May 26 01:01:01 <resistivecorpse> ive yet to find an android irc client that loads scrollback at launch
May 26 01:04:04 <AndroUser> This looks bettter
May 26 01:04:13 <_litz> err
May 26 01:04:22 <_litz> how is ANY clien going to know scrollback at launch?
May 26 01:04:30 <_litz> that would be it would have to have been running BEFORE launch ...
May 26 01:05:02 <jmdearras> xchat has history,  not while off, of course.
May 26 01:05:11 <resistivecorpse> androIRC looks really nice IMO and its one of the few with an actual ICS interface to it
May 26 01:05:22 <resistivecorpse> xchat also isnt on android
May 26 01:05:32 <AndroUser> I know
May 26 01:05:48 <resistivecorpse> i wish it was, i love xchat
May 26 01:06:12 <jmdearras> but as lonk as I can scroll back the current conversation, that will ne fine.
May 26 01:06:25 <AndroUser> Long
May 26 01:06:51 <resistivecorpse> yeah, androIRC has scrollback for the current session
May 26 01:07:45 <jmdearras> what is "ident" in irc setup?
May 26 01:10:29 <jmdearras4> Bettee name.
May 26 01:15:27 <jmdearras> how do you set the username password in androIRC?
May 26 01:17:14 <AndroUser> Tomen8r
May 26 01:17:59 <BaileyMonster> Cool .. although my name is AndroUser and is now known as Tomen8r .. lol
May 26 01:18:11 * BaileyMonster is away: aka Tomen8r!!
May 26 01:38:40 <LactatingNipples> Lol
May 26 01:39:23 <jmdearras4> Am I in the right group?
May 26 01:39:33 <BailyMonster> Lol
May 26 01:39:57 <ebswift> you are here
May 26 01:39:58 <BailyMonster> Playing with AndroIrc
May 26 01:40:42 <BaileyMonster> Playing with AndroIrc
May 26 01:41:19 <BailyMonster> Doppleganger
May 26 01:41:22 <BaileyMonster> doppleganger
May 26 01:41:41 <BaileyMonster> lol .. sorry .. having fun with AndroIrc . haven't used it before ..
May 26 01:48:44 * BaileyMonster is back (gone 00:30:33)
May 26 01:48:58 * BaileyMonster is away: aka Tomen8r!!
May 26 01:53:04 <BarronThe> jcsullins around?
May 26 01:57:14 <BarronThe> Albuterol.. heh
May 26 01:57:22 <BarronThe> we got asthma in the house!
May 26 01:57:29 * _litz pops some "The Patriot OST" in honor of memorial day weekend ... one of the best "feel good" patriotic films ever done
May 26 02:39:59 <_Hagar> love Rootz live Fridays :)