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Feb 23 15:50:12 * PatrickC waits for Ares 2.0 so he can package it for his desktop
Feb 23 15:50:17 <PatrickC> *hopes the license allows*
Feb 23 15:55:16 <bigbluehat1> is it possible for Enyo to build objects and maybe kinds from HTML?
Feb 23 15:55:42 <bigbluehat1> and maybe even "upgrade" components of a larger HTML block into Enyo components and controls?
Feb 23 16:27:59 <sugardave> bigbluehat1: typically you go the other way, your kinds construct blocks of HTML
Feb 23 16:28:26 <bigbluehat1> right, just wondering if it was flippable
Feb 23 16:28:38 <sugardave> example?
Feb 23 16:29:03 <bigbluehat1> well, say my server side code serves up some HTML template with the example LabelInput HTML in it (among other things)
Feb 23 16:29:16 <bigbluehat1> I'd love to be able to "upgrade" them onDomReady (or whatever)
Feb 23 16:29:31 <bigbluehat1> and have them get all the enyo magic I've asked them to have
Feb 23 16:29:59 <sugardave> might as well remove the downgraded element and add your kind in its place instead
Feb 23 16:30:36 <sugardave> and if you want the original element, as part of your kind, add an HtmlContent kind and set its content to the innerHTML of the element you want
Feb 23 16:38:26 <bigbluehat1> hrm. lots of unnecessary DOM juggling
Feb 23 16:38:40 <bigbluehat1> dont' really want the HTML being (re)written unnecessarily
Feb 23 16:38:47 <bigbluehat1> the HTML is there, it just needs the events added
Feb 23 16:38:55 <sugardave> then no, it won't do what you want
Feb 23 16:39:05 <bigbluehat1> can I make it do what I want? ;)
Feb 23 16:39:08 <sugardave> no
Feb 23 16:39:12 <bigbluehat1> even if that comes from hacking on Enyo?
Feb 23 16:39:28 <bigbluehat1> so I'd have to "buy in" to the "just JS" Enyo style to use it?
Feb 23 16:39:40 <bigbluehat1> there's no option/roadmap item for making it less "demanding" in that way?
Feb 23 16:39:51 <sugardave> haven't seen one
Feb 23 16:39:54 <bigbluehat1> it's a pretty big methodology jump
Feb 23 16:40:01 <bigbluehat1> I'm certainly going to try it :)
Feb 23 16:40:15 <bigbluehat1> and there's a lot that I like about the idea
Feb 23 16:40:25 <bigbluehat1> but giving up my beautifully crafted HTML5 isn't something I'm looking forward to :)
Feb 23 16:40:26 <bigbluehat1> or rather
Feb 23 16:40:30 <bigbluehat1> having to convert it to JSON :/
Feb 23 16:40:37 <bigbluehat1> which will then output said HTML
Feb 23 16:40:41 <oilsworkn> i've always found the no-html enyo way weird
Feb 23 16:40:49 <sugardave> I don't understand how hacking enyo core is easier/preferable to removing an elementy from the DOM and saying myKind.renderInto(parentOfRemovedElement)
Feb 23 16:41:22 <sugardave> um, why not just use an HTML content kind and the HTML5 stuff you already have?
Feb 23 16:42:34 <sugardave> oilsworkn: you're weird
Feb 23 16:43:22 <PatrickC> hey sugardave!
Feb 23 16:43:26 <sugardave> what
Feb 23 16:43:31 <PatrickC> just saying hi,..
Feb 23 16:43:33 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 23 16:43:59 <oilsworkn> sugardave: im not saying its bad, im saying after so many years of writing html its weird abstracting it
Feb 23 16:44:25 <sugardave> see?  Procrastination pays off, I never wrote web apps before Mojo :)
Feb 23 16:44:43 <oilsworkn> i actually think the encapsulation of enyo kinds is a big plus
Feb 23 16:45:07 * oilsworkn is actually wearing his procrastinate shirt today
Feb 23 16:45:15 <sugardave> haha
Feb 23 16:45:47 <oilsworkn> http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/Procrastinateqa3Detail.png
Feb 23 16:45:57 * sugardave is all messed up on cold medicine.
Feb 23 16:46:00 <bigbluehat1> sugardave: I've not yet written a Mojo app…so let's meet in the middle :)
Feb 23 16:46:05 <sugardave> \
Feb 23 16:46:10 <oilsworkn> <3 mojo
Feb 23 16:46:33 <bigbluehat1> hacking Enyo would be to "upgrade it" so it's compatible with "normal" web devs who have already drunk the entire HTML5 koolaid container
Feb 23 16:46:33 <sugardave> Mojo was tough to learn from zero, but I liked it
Feb 23 16:47:04 <oilsworkn> im sad enyo thew a lot of the good things mojo had away
Feb 23 16:47:19 <sugardave> bigbluehat1: again, you have large chunks of HTML5, just take the source of it and add it to an HtmlContent kind, done
Feb 23 16:47:19 <oilsworkn> like the whole scene stack mechanism
Feb 23 16:48:34 <sugardave> bigbluehat1: btw, Mojo wouldn't help you much with Enyo...totally different :)
Feb 23 16:48:37 <bigbluehat1> sugardave: but then I loose out on the benefit of kinds, correct?
Feb 23 16:48:45 * bigbluehat1 has no idea :)
Feb 23 16:48:50 * bigbluehat1 quite new here
Feb 23 16:49:04 * PatrickC has no idea
Feb 23 16:49:07 * PatrickC quite old here
Feb 23 16:49:09 <PatrickC> :)
Feb 23 16:49:10 <bigbluehat1> :)
Feb 23 16:49:10 <sugardave> why would you lose out on the benefit of kinds?
Feb 23 16:49:23 <PatrickC> i love kinds
Feb 23 16:49:25 <sugardave> I don't think I am grasping your fundamental issue
Feb 23 16:49:32 <oilsworkn> at least PatrickC knows how to use the if statement now :)
Feb 23 16:49:38 <sugardave> (remember, cold medicine)
Feb 23 16:49:40 <bigbluehat1> and I'm likely not in deep enough into Enyo at this point to know quite what I'm asking :)
Feb 23 16:49:45 <bigbluehat1> or how to answer what you're asking
Feb 23 16:49:46 <bigbluehat1> or both :)
Feb 23 16:49:59 <PatrickC> oilsworkn, yeah! and the switch/case statement to some extent now too!
Feb 23 16:50:12 <sugardave> o
Feb 23 16:50:13 <sugardave> m
Feb 23 16:50:14 <sugardave> G
Feb 23 16:50:21 <oilsworkn> heh
Feb 23 16:51:34 * PatrickC cant wait for enyo 2.0
Feb 23 16:51:42 <sugardave> it's already out
Feb 23 16:51:46 <PatrickC> with UI
Feb 23 16:51:57 <oilsworkn> lol
Feb 23 16:51:58 <sugardave> ooo, new sublime 2
Feb 23 16:52:05 <PatrickC> sugardave, i got it the other day
Feb 23 16:52:12 <oilsworkn> <3 sublime 2
Feb 23 16:52:14 <PatrickC> looks like a few nice changes
Feb 23 16:52:50 * halfhalo pets textmate
Feb 23 16:52:51 <PatrickC> sublime 2 is the only text editor ive used for more then a few weeks before switching to a new one
Feb 23 16:53:08 <PatrickC> halfhalo, bah.. you and your stupid OS X
Feb 23 16:53:15 <oilsworkn> does textmate have multiselect and that stuff?
Feb 23 16:53:41 <halfhalo> yes
Feb 23 16:53:50 <oilsworkn> lies!
Feb 23 16:54:01 <halfhalo> that is always a possibility with me
Feb 23 16:56:17 <oilsworkn> http://www.sublimetext.com/docs/2/multiple_selection_with_the_keyboard.html
Feb 23 16:57:34 * PatrickC might try this out http://www.e-texteditor.com/
Feb 23 16:58:00 <halfhalo> E is like textmate, but bad.
Feb 23 16:58:42 <PatrickC> bad how?
Feb 23 16:59:14 <halfhalo> Like someone took some open source code, threw a parser at it for TM bundles, and charged way to much for it
Feb 23 17:00:04 * PatrickC sticks with sublime
Feb 23 17:05:54 <oilsworkn> PatrickC: read that link and use those features
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