**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 05 03:00:02 2012
May 05 03:06:58 <fxspec06> what's better: 12GB RAM clocked at 1760MHz, or 8GB RAM clocked at 1996MHz ?
May 05 03:13:49 <EricBlade> returns diminish faster with speed
May 05 03:14:14 <EricBlade> but probably depends on how much you overload 8gig
May 05 03:16:13 <fxspec06> that depends
May 05 03:16:34 <fxspec06> i've definitely filled it up with virtual machines running webos / android / photoshop / etc
May 05 03:16:48 <EricBlade> probably more ram = way better than
May 05 03:16:51 <fxspec06> so i suppose 12gb is good for me.
May 05 03:17:13 <fxspec06> the difference is ~140mz, between a 7.7 and 7.9 on the WEI scale
May 05 03:17:14 <EricBlade> it's a lot easier to use 8gig of ram than to possibly get a few seconds shaved off a massive multithreaded winrar operation or something
May 05 03:17:26 <fxspec06> lol
May 05 03:17:35 <fxspec06> yeah a few seconds i can live with
May 05 03:17:49 <fxspec06> the ram is nice.
May 05 03:17:55 <EricBlade> ya
May 05 03:18:34 <EricBlade> i've got 8gig, and i rarely pressure it a lot, but i still notice a difference in some things with my usb 2.0 readyboost sticks not plugged in at the moment
May 05 03:20:10 <fxspec06> i'm not sure readyboost helps a lot if you've got >8gb ram. but i could be wrong
May 05 03:20:19 <fxspec06> just in case, i've got two spare usb thumb drives
May 05 03:20:54 <halfhalo> 12GB
May 05 03:21:16 <halfhalo> readyboost does almost nothing over 3GB
May 05 03:21:44 <EricBlade> halfhalo: i think it makes a big difference when you're regularly re-launching the same (large) things over and over
May 05 03:22:08 <halfhalo> nope. Windows really won't use it.  It will use the spare ram for that
May 05 03:23:08 <halfhalo> and besides very specialized things that require stupid fast IO in ram, faster ram will make like 2% difference in day to day stuff
May 05 03:23:09 <EricBlade> halfhalo: there's been a lot of improvements to readyboost in win 7 vs vista to make it more useful for situations like that.  particularly when i'm doing a lot of work in an Unreal engine project, then I go do other stuff for quite some time, when I come back to the Unreal stuff, it definitely restarts faster with the RB
May 05 03:23:23 <fxspec06> it still has to read from the hard drive. readyboost cuts the number of hdd reads down
May 05 03:23:38 <fxspec06> it's a science, it's incredible to research
May 05 03:24:33 <halfhalo> eh, it may help as a little cache as an addition to the ram cache, but not by much
May 05 03:24:36 <fxspec06> the difference between RAM nad readyboost is readyboost doesn't clear on reboot
May 05 03:24:54 * halfhalo has done many tests with readyboost, caching hds, caching flash drives, and caching ssds
May 05 03:24:55 <EricBlade> i hate to give microsoft props, but win 7 has a lot of amazing improvements to things that were kinda "meh" in vista, and especally compared to xp
May 05 03:24:58 <fxspec06> it doesn't compete with RAM. that's what's misunderstood
May 05 03:25:45 <fxspec06> you still need ram. but if you're performing large sequential reads, that's where it comes in handy
May 05 03:25:46 <EricBlade> fxspec06: hmm.  i wonder if sticking all my startup apps on usb would make a difference, now that you bring that up
May 05 03:25:55 <halfhalo> The whole point of readyboost was to store stuff that normally would be in ram in a fast random access container for those computers with ~2GB ram.
May 05 03:26:46 <fxspec06> yep. does good job at that
May 05 03:26:48 <halfhalo> And if you had less than 2GB, it worked pretty well.  But more than that and windows will start preloading stuff into ram when it can
May 05 03:27:16 <halfhalo> There is a reason my 16GB is generally ~60% full, and thats caching
May 05 03:27:25 <EricBlade> right, but the win 7 readyboost has a lot of improvements over that.  i tried it in vista, and didn't really notice much of a difference at all, but i can see quite a difference in some operations with it , even with 8gig.  possibly because i'm usually switching between different versions of Unreal (huge memory hog) and Visual Studio (even huger memory hog) regularly
May 05 03:27:47 <EricBlade> ...with it [in win 7]
May 05 03:28:03 <halfhalo> In that case, then there would be some slight improvement, since you are hidding readyboost before the pagecache.
May 05 03:28:21 <halfhalo> You would get a similar effect moving the page cache to a different drive
May 05 03:28:53 <EricBlade> i'm not saying it's as dramatic as adding a 16gig usb 3 rb cache to a 1gig system, but.. it's different.
May 05 03:28:59 <fxspec06> there's a lot of small files in a tb hdd
May 05 03:29:15 <EricBlade> win7 also seems to have a quite improved handling of multi-drive page files
May 05 03:29:26 <fxspec06> readyboost rounds the edges it feels.
May 05 03:29:29 <halfhalo> Nonono, I;m saying there is a slight effect for large files like that.  But you get the same as moving the pagefile
May 05 03:29:37 <halfhalo> pagefile on fast usb == even better
May 05 03:30:06 <halfhalo> Speaking of which, I should move mine off my ssd on my desktop.  Need the room
May 05 03:30:21 <fxspec06> is it really? if you had say, 5 usb thumb drives in 5 different ports, all configured for readyboost .. how much throughput is that?
May 05 03:30:36 <EricBlade> i would doubt that, because rb isn't used the same way as a pagefile.  rb will store frequently accessed things, even if you haven't touched them in days currently
May 05 03:30:39 <EricBlade> and through reboots
May 05 03:30:40 <fxspec06> idk, i'm sure they produce similar / negligible results
May 05 03:31:35 <fxspec06> but yes, readyboost stores small files that load fast on that device and it's persistent
May 05 03:32:10 * halfhalo doesn't actually worry about stuff like this, since besides the 16GB ram currently in his desktop, his boot drive is a 256GB M4 with 60GB taken to cache a 1TB Scorpio black used as scratch space, plus 3 1TB blacks in raid 0 being cached by a 60GB ssd.
May 05 03:32:37 <EricBlade> you'd probably find it negligible with that much hardware behind it anyway
May 05 03:32:57 * fxspec06 weeps
May 05 03:33:02 <EricBlade> but i do notice a difference on my system, with 8gig ram and a normal consumer grade 1TB and 2TB (and a 80GB) drives
May 05 03:33:12 <EricBlade> particularly when working with Unreal and Visual Studio
May 05 03:33:27 <halfhalo> I may or may not have also experimented with using a 16GB usb3 flash drive as a cache for the ssd before as well... that did NOT work out
May 05 03:33:37 <fxspec06> lol
May 05 03:34:23 <fxspec06> like running a marathon in the mud
May 05 03:35:19 <fxspec06> if i had my laptop booted i could show some of my readyboost bookmarks
May 05 03:47:04 <EricBlade> i need to find some new software to mess with
May 05 03:58:28 <baboo> EricBlade: http://justin.websb.net/com.justin.piglatin_1.0.0_all.ipk
May 05 03:59:37 <fxspec06_> i'm getting tired of installing things
May 05 03:59:39 <fxspec06_> i gotta say
May 05 03:59:45 <fxspec06_> really wanna do a benchmark soon
May 05 04:00:50 <baboo> what's a benchmark? would you like me to make a zip file?
May 05 04:01:05 <fxspec06_> no, i wasn't talking to you. about you
May 05 04:01:06 <fxspec06_> lol
May 05 04:01:44 <fxspec06_> i am installing things on my new computer..
May 05 04:02:08 <halfhalo> I need new video cards... hmmm
May 05 04:02:59 <fxspec06_> i have a single, lonely 7770
May 05 04:03:10 <fxspec06_> that's dying to be used
May 05 04:03:19 <halfhalo> I have a pair of 5870's I picked up for 130 each
May 05 04:03:20 <baboo> ok
May 05 04:03:25 <halfhalo> mainly for bf3
May 05 04:03:54 <halfhalo> 7950's look tempting though
May 05 04:04:31 <fxspec06_> mm. i'll probably get another 7770 eventually / soon
May 05 04:04:44 <halfhalo> fxspec06_ get bf3.  thats benchmarklike
May 05 04:05:23 <fxspec06_> and i can probably run it at a great resolution
May 05 04:06:28 <fxspec06_> i think i'll start with my free download of dirt 3
May 05 04:06:40 <halfhalo> hah
May 05 04:06:47 <halfhalo> everything comes with dirt3 nowadays
May 05 04:06:50 <fxspec06_> thank you amd
May 05 04:06:51 <fxspec06_> lol
May 05 04:07:09 <fxspec06_> yeah, because it runs at 120fps
May 05 04:07:44 <fxspec06_> i can't remember if it came part of the processor, the gfx card, or both
May 05 04:09:40 <halfhalo> hah
May 05 04:20:31 <m0ngr31> I'm trying to check to see if a modal dialog is open or closed on enyo 1.0 any ideas?
May 05 04:22:31 <fxspec06_> this.$.modalDialog.getOpen(); ?
May 05 04:23:27 <m0ngr31> Uncaught TypeError: Object enyo.ModalDialog has no method 'getOpen'
May 05 04:25:02 <fxspec06_> i'm not sure if it has a property
May 05 04:25:14 <fxspec06_> you can close(), open(), and toggleOpen()
May 05 04:25:29 <fxspec06_> i don't think getShowing() will give you what you want
May 05 04:25:57 <fxspec06_> you could listen for open and close events and set the open property yourself
May 05 04:26:14 <fxspec06_> then it's just a variable
May 05 04:27:50 <m0ngr31> actually, getShowing worked great!
May 05 04:29:47 <EricBlade> m0ngr31: i think "isOpen" is the proper attribute to check
May 05 04:33:20 <m0ngr31> EricBlade: that seems to work too :)
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