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May 20 03:37:18 <EricBlade> i need to get a veer
May 20 04:14:11 <rrix> Question: How can I take a dragfinish event and figure out how long the drag event was?
May 20 04:14:29 <rrix> ie, how long of a time was the user dragging their finger/mouse?
May 20 04:54:34 * rrix hacked around it using timeouts and oogliness
May 20 08:31:41 <EricBlade> rrix: well...
May 20 08:32:03 <EricBladeSynergy> How about grabbing the time at drag start and then subtracting?
May 20 08:32:30 <EricBladeSynergy> Holy hell it works
May 20 08:37:56 <rrix> EricBlade: That was my thought, I was just too lazy to implement it
May 20 08:38:01 <rrix> EricBladeSynergy: Is that what I think it is?
May 20 08:38:44 <EricBladeSynergy> That depends on what you think it is.  It is not a tasty ham sandwich.
May 20 08:38:50 <rrix> Awh :(
May 20 08:38:54 <rrix> I'm hungry, too
May 20 08:39:06 <rrix> EricBladeSynergy: You seem to still be hacking on synergy plugins :P
May 20 08:39:50 <EricBladeSynergy> The webOS messaging app has some interesting problems.  Especially when you throw things at it like IRC :)
May 20 08:40:12 * rrix => #webos
May 20 09:33:52 <bhuey> I should probably lurk there more often
May 20 09:34:10 <bhuey> since there's little or not activity on the regular channels
May 20 09:34:43 <EricBladeSynergy> Little to no activity across any of the webOS channels
May 20 09:53:14 <bhuey> that's pretty much the norm now sadly enough
May 20 09:53:46 <bhuey> they haven't been good at open sourcing the remaining webOS bits
May 20 09:54:06 <bhuey> which is critical for the existing hardware
May 20 09:54:15 <EricBladeSynergy> Its all still on schedule . . .
May 20 09:54:29 <bhuey> yeah but what if their schedule is crack smoking ?
May 20 09:54:39 <bhuey> same with the content ?
May 20 09:54:47 <bhuey> then their schedule is meaningless
May 20 09:54:59 <EricBladeSynergy> Not sure how much more accelerated it could be
May 20 09:55:10 <bhuey> I have a long list of things
May 20 09:55:40 <bhuey> but hopefully the Google/Oracle lawsuit will end and more of the internal tree can be removed
May 20 09:55:49 <bhuey> er released I mean
May 20 09:57:03 <EricBladeSynergy> Amusing. Switching from portrait to landscape triggers the most recent alert tones again.
May 20 09:58:31 <EricBladeSynergy> Well it stands to reason that you'd have more insight into whatever is in there and what needs to be removed replaced or reworked
May 20 10:00:03 <EricBladeSynergy> ... At least more than I do.  I only know about things they've said in public.  I can wish all day or month long that the release would be faster, and have absolutely no idea if the current schedule is even attainable.
May 20 10:00:19 <EricBladeSynergy> And of course, wish in one hand...
May 20 14:38:22 <fxspec06> enyo refuses to load on the touchpad
May 20 14:39:54 <fxspec06> like just flat out won't load
May 20 14:44:22 <fxspec06> unless, of course, i load it in the ROOT directory of the app. where it somehow manages to load properly..
May 20 14:44:27 <fxspec06> o.O
May 20 14:55:16 <fxspec06> damn enyo 2 looks and runs way different on the device than in chrome
May 20 15:00:38 <fxspec06> ah it's because of the strategykind
May 20 16:10:07 <EricBladeSynergy> Fx: look at your app code on device and see if the Enyo path in the script tag makes sense or not,  palm-package will attempt to rewrite it to go to the built in one if it can..
May 20 16:14:56 <fxspec06> my folder structure for when it wasn't working was as follows: root/enyo/1.0|2.0/enyo/enyo-2.0b4/enyo.js
May 20 16:15:28 <fxspec06> when i removed the 1.0 folder and the 2.0 structure so it looks like: root/enyo/enyo-2.0b4/enyo.js, it loads just fine
May 20 16:15:41 <fxspec06> which is very unusual
May 20 16:16:07 <fxspec06> i'll have to look at further later to see if you're correct
May 20 16:17:54 <fxspec06> nope. all looks normal to me.
May 20 16:18:02 * fxspec06 shurgs
May 20 17:29:39 <madnificent> EricBlade: why do you need a veer?
May 20 17:29:46 <madnificent> (not that i dislike mine)
May 20 17:48:39 <madnificent> EricBlade: also, if enyo tries to rewrite it, will it try to rewrite it to the 1.x version if i'm trying to host the 2.x version?
May 20 20:31:11 <Nichtwirklich> Hi all
May 20 20:31:45 <Nichtwirklich> I am looking for wildcards for a string comparing
May 20 20:32:09 <Nichtwirklich> sth like if ( myvar == "abcd*" ) { do something }
May 20 20:55:14 <EricBlade> madnificent: enyo doesn't try to rewrite it, palm-package does
May 20 20:59:19 <madnificent> EricBlade: so, updating the question to that, will palm-package make me load the old version of enyo instead of the new version?
May 20 20:59:28 <EricBlade> it will try
May 20 21:00:17 <EricBlade> so you have to defeat that, except Ben hasn't told us yet what the path mangler looks for, so we just guess.
May 20 21:01:12 <EricBlade> just "enyo" from the app root worked for me
May 20 21:01:17 <madnificent> so, stretching it further to what i'm current experience (which i should debug soon), it is likely that my Enyo 2 app tries to load Enyo 1 and thus fails to write the correct code for my app?
May 20 21:01:34 <EricBlade> i don't know, what are you currently experiencing?
May 20 21:02:17 <madnificent> i have a  { kind : "Select" , ... } which works in the browser, but doesn't work on the Veer
May 20 21:02:42 <EricBlade> that doesn't likely have anything to do with that, and more likely having to do with the old browser version needing some help
May 20 21:03:19 <madnificent> select does work in the web browser on websites...
May 20 21:03:51 <EricBlade> what does a Select do?
May 20 21:04:15 <madnificent> it creates an html select tag and allows you to set options easily.
May 20 21:04:38 <EricBlade> hmm. i haven't used one of those since like 1998. :D
May 20 21:04:54 <EricBlade> but yeah i'd expect it's supported.  must be something weird going on
May 20 21:06:04 <madnificent> what i was trying to figure out with this conversation is whether or not i should be looking at enyo being loaded incorrectly, or at another kind of bug
May 20 21:06:14 <madnificent> hmm, probably something else
May 20 21:07:03 <madnificent> it displays the select, but it doesn't allow me to tap on it.  as in: it shows the dropdown, with the first option selected.  but when i tap on it, nothing does anything.
May 20 21:31:02 <EricBlade> does it work if you load your app in the browser on the veer?
May 20 21:32:08 <madnificent> hmm, i haven't hosted it yet.  i wasn't intending to try that unless it was needed :)  looks like it's needed
May 20 21:32:48 <EricBlade> well you could have a look at the html in the select first and see if that's all correct
May 20 21:35:46 <madnificent> it looks correct in the browser ;-)  regardless, i need to grab the right machine for this (took the wrong one)
May 20 21:37:45 <EricBlade> it may be possible that Select simply doesn't work properly in the app browser.  I know in Enyo 1, I've had a ton of problems with ListSelector and Picker on phones, I don't know if those use Select or not
May 20 21:38:21 <madnificent> the custom date selector in the gallery works on the veer (in the browser)
May 20 21:38:30 <madnificent> (and IIRC that uses select as well)
May 20 21:45:06 <madnificent> looks like it does work when hosted by the browser
May 20 21:48:14 <madnificent> grmbl, now ontap doesn't work for some reason
May 20 21:52:41 <madnificent> noooo, veer, don't use your cache, be smart and reload!
May 20 22:19:15 * madnificent doesn't like palm-package anymore
May 20 22:19:45 <madnificent> it used to be supercool, because it was fast, it worked just fine. and palm-install was fun and efficient.  but now, it's screwing up enyo, i think.  that sucks balls.
May 20 22:39:43 <madnificent> aside from palm-package, do you see anything else which could cause enyo2 not to run correctly?  i find it a tad odd that the other things do work, but that it fails on taps.  it could be that enyo2 isn't loaded correctly, but i can't find information on palm-package for this, or so it seems.
May 21 01:08:50 <EricBladeSynergy> Seems pretty unlikely, the palm package tip was for fxspecs problem.
May 21 01:28:47 <fxspec06> enyo 2 doesn't run too well on my pre2
May 21 01:28:58 <fxspec06> but that was just one test run..
May 21 01:41:16 <madnificent> fxspec06: but why would it run in the browser, and not in the packaged app then?
May 21 01:41:28 <EricBlade> i seem to recall that there was a thread over on the enyojs forums regarding getting the enyo 1.0 scroller to be more like a desktop scroller when in a desktop browser ... anyone remember that too?
May 21 01:48:41 <EricBlade> maybe i was crazy about that
May 21 01:50:24 <EricBladeSynergy> Hmmm
May 21 02:44:44 <EricBlade> i need to figure out a way to actually be able to "new conversation" to join a channel
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