**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 25 02:59:59 2012 May 25 04:26:34 * DougReeder waves hello May 25 04:26:55 Big news. May 25 04:27:17 I don't suppose anyone can confirm? May 25 04:44:59 madnificent, im away whenever i log off my client :) May 25 04:45:08 DougReeder, im assuming your referring to the joining google? May 25 04:49:40 Yeah. May 25 12:17:57 does anyone know how many people were stil in the enyo team? May 25 12:18:19 i mean, it's not that big of a deal if the systems experts move to google. if anything, it'll raise the chances of getting webos-like stuff running on android May 25 12:18:22 or wait, it wont May 25 12:18:38 google will just play their "we're the biggest, we don't share" card May 25 12:18:49 emphasis on their now, pun intended, not funny May 25 12:20:48 except it's measurably not true that Google doesn't share May 25 12:21:20 have you tried using an android device that hasn't been endorsed by google? right, it's useless May 25 12:21:29 also, google shares relatively little May 25 12:22:53 google+ is locked down for instance, I haven't seen GFS or any of their schedulers in the linux kernel either, they don't share their search statistics (which makes it just about impossible to create a true competitor in the search business (unless you already have reasonably much results)), just continue the list May 25 12:24:31 they mainlined a lot of the android code into linux, they have a very successful open source browser project, their employees contribute to all sorts of other open source projects May 25 12:24:36 sure, there are some things they don't share May 25 12:24:44 but there are also a lot of things they do share May 25 12:25:14 but that's the thing, android isn't worth anything without the market May 25 12:25:26 i mean it: try an android tablet which google doesn't endorse May 25 12:25:40 tell that to all the smartwatch or embedded systems manufacturers May 25 12:25:46 I'm using cm9 on my touchpad May 25 12:26:54 saying "android isn't worth anything without the market because my opinion is that it sucks" is not a very strong argument, btw May 25 12:26:55 what i'm saying is: google doesn't seem to really share. they share when there's really nothing to lose. with android you can share the code, and still be fairly certain that only devices which you endorse will get mainstreamed. safe bet. their development is, afaict, also behind closed doors. May 25 12:27:07 i'm not saying that android sucks! May 25 12:27:22 i'm saying that android (just like iOS for that matter) isn't worth anything without their application store May 25 12:27:30 oh, that's true, mostly May 25 12:27:31 s/android/android/sucks/ May 25 12:27:37 grrr, you get my point! May 25 12:27:41 I do May 25 12:27:45 sorry, I misread May 25 12:27:50 luckily :) May 25 12:29:27 i'm still wondering about the current enyo team size May 25 12:30:17 from last night, Adora and Ben aren't leaving May 25 12:30:32 my guess (based only on conjecture) is that it's Matt May 25 12:30:43 i was wondering if cuts were going to be made. and tbh, i'm happy that he left. this was before the structuring at hp. so if there's still some force left, it's bound to be good. moving to another company must've cost some energy. and with the enyojs team still managing their deadlines, it seems to me like we should still have a sane team to back us (enyojs users) up. May 25 12:30:45 and maybe a couple of Matt's favorites May 25 12:31:10 I think it'll keep on keepin on May 25 12:31:24 and Google employees get 20% time, he choose to keep working on enyo May 25 12:31:47 though hp's statement could've been much much smarter. or it leaked and he wanted to leave a bit of a blow to what he'd rather see die (which i'd doubt a bit) May 25 12:34:50 enyo's been his baby, I don't think he wishes it ill May 25 12:34:57 he maybe wishes HP ill, but not enyo May 25 13:27:26 i think i now understand what i hate most about all this May 25 13:27:48 it's that they first blow it completely out of proportion, and now i'm reading headlines everywhere which make a crappy big deal out of it, even though it's not. May 25 13:28:06 if hp would've been smart, they'd have communicated this smartly and no damage would have been done May 25 13:28:36 this morning, when i read the news, i was honoustly thinking "i don't think i'll buy an hp notebook after all, they've screwed me over one time too many" May 25 13:29:32 and i've had similar thoughts, like 5 times this year? it's a bit sad. with what hp has built, it should be ready to score. May 25 13:55:39 good morning May 25 14:00:41 morning EricBlade1 May 25 14:08:34 note to self: javascript times work in ms not sec May 25 14:12:46 EricBlade1: you tries timeout value "5"? May 25 14:12:47 :D May 25 14:12:50 *tried May 25 14:13:43 yeah i just setup an interval for 25, and was wondering briefly why it was firing constantly May 25 14:14:48 haha, yeah :) May 25 14:18:34 was it a big function which broke your browser? May 25 14:20:25 Hi May 25 14:22:25 Hmmm May 25 15:05:15 so... even given all the "OMG ENYO IS DYING" stuff, it seems like a very good product, and I kinda wanna keep moving forward May 25 15:14:10 summatusmentis: in hindsight it seems to be just that. all "OMG ENYO IS DYING" stuff. nothing more. if that /is/ the case, then hp should really start beefing up their PR department (they do /have/ PR, right?) May 25 15:16:50 madnificent: sounds like you're at the same place as me, that there's no real reason to worry May 25 15:17:10 but it took me a few hours of WTF HP, WT BLOODY F May 25 15:17:35 yeah, I got all of that out of my system when they did the firesale :-P May 25 15:19:19 at the same time i'm wondering how i'll get an envy 14 spectre in my country May 25 15:29:23 i'm not so sure HP has a PR department May 25 15:29:37 i think they just have a bunch of squirrels who press buttons May 25 15:30:46 * madnificent has a hilarious image in his head right now. let's title it "Leo's office" May 25 15:54:23 * fxspec06 sobs lightly May 25 18:36:59 enyo.bubble/waterfall is handy. May 25 20:13:13 I'm still not quite clear on what the purpose is May 26 02:42:25 Hi everyone May 26 02:43:03 hola May 26 02:43:55 I'm playing around with dynamically created kinds, and am having some issues with overriding this.create; when I wrap a function as a standard enyo.kind(component); it works, but if I just dump the compnent block in to the components array of the parent object I get 203Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'apply' of undefined May 26 02:44:02 Oop.js:203 May 26 02:45:00 it's trying to call callee._inherited, which I assume callee would be the kind that I'm trying to add the object to, or would callee be the object I'm subkinding (in this case enyo.Control) May 26 02:46:09 how are you creating it? this.createComponent() ? May 26 02:46:14 yeah May 26 02:46:38 I also tried putting it directly in to components[] May 26 02:46:41 https://github.com/rrix/enyo-slides/blob/master/src/main.js May 26 02:46:49 (sorry that's a little messy right now) May 26 02:47:08 I just refactored InfiniteSlidingPane out of it to see if I could better isolate this issue May 26 02:47:26 woah May 26 02:47:28 devils May 26 02:47:43 eventually I'm going to be XHR'ing the json from a remote endpoint and marshalling it in to components, but for now, I just want the code at head to work May 26 02:47:53 it's doing some evil stuff but I figured I could get away with it :\ May 26 02:50:25 i've never seen anything like what you're trying to do May 26 02:50:34 I haven't either May 26 02:51:17 none of it works May 26 02:51:18 ? May 26 02:51:37 it errs out in creating the components May 26 02:51:43 if I don't override create it works, though May 26 02:51:51 but that doesnt work for some of the more advanced things I'm doing May 26 02:52:16 slides.slidepane, i presume that has an addslide function May 26 02:52:21 We're going to evevntually move this in to a nodejs express server, so I'm tempted to fudge a package.js load system May 26 02:52:25 yes May 26 02:52:26 it does May 26 02:52:38 it's just a createComponents May 26 02:52:42 er, createComponent May 26 02:52:45 k May 26 02:52:57 create shouldn't override May 26 02:53:04 https://github.com/rrix/enyo-slides/blob/master/src/slidespane.js#L9 May 26 02:53:12 when you call this.inherited(arguments) you are then calling the create May 26 02:53:15 original* May 26 02:53:20 Right May 26 02:53:22 k May 26 02:53:36 but May 26 02:53:37 i've been using that syntax forever to initialize objects May 26 02:53:38 you don't have a create May 26 02:53:47 in slides.slidespane May 26 02:53:56 oh holy shit May 26 02:53:57 o.O May 26 02:53:59 lol May 26 02:54:07 * rrix looks for his vim May 26 02:54:17 do you need your glasses May 26 02:55:28 drats, I still get the same error :\ May 26 02:56:08 do you have create in slides.slide May 26 02:56:34 maybe? (no) May 26 02:56:35 heh May 26 02:56:58 brb, phone call **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 26 02:59:57 2012