**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 27 02:59:59 2012
May 27 03:16:30 <madnificent> fxspec06: for performing cross domain ajax calls
May 27 03:18:04 <fxspec06> ah
May 27 03:23:05 <fxspec06> oh man. this app is going to be SO much better with sports images / logos
May 27 03:23:14 <fxspec06> i have a lot of cataloging to do
May 27 03:24:52 * madnificent made a progressbarbutton.  should probably abstract it further and throw it in the gallery.
May 27 03:25:02 <madnificent> it'd be my first addition
May 27 03:25:46 <fxspec06> cool cool
May 27 03:26:01 <fxspec06> i made a ... info popup
May 27 03:26:05 <madnificent> also: is there a way to add your own stuff to the api tool?  does it scan all resources?
May 27 03:26:18 <madnificent> yeah, i saw it.  if it's that what i saw
May 27 03:26:21 <madnificent> 't was quite cool
May 27 03:26:33 <fxspec06> similar to the alert, but it disappears automatically after a timeout
May 27 03:26:40 * madnificent didn't know you built it
May 27 03:26:44 <fxspec06> it's diff
May 27 03:26:56 <fxspec06> well i made it last night. so now i have two kinds
May 27 03:27:15 <fxspec06> the info and the alert
May 27 03:27:22 <madnificent> oh, i'll be happy to see it in the gallery :)
May 27 03:27:23 <fxspec06> i should make more for myself
May 27 03:29:00 <fxspec06> damn, i don't know the best way to do this
May 27 03:29:40 <madnificent> the best way for me right now, is called sleep
May 27 03:29:42 <madnificent> goodnight
May 27 03:29:47 <fxspec06> lol k night
May 27 03:29:52 <madnificent> hope i'll talk to you soon about super cool enyo stuff
May 27 03:30:11 <madnificent> also, i've bubbled my first event!
May 27 03:30:20 <madnificent> and it was super easy
May 27 03:30:43 <madnificent> night
May 27 03:30:51 <madnificent> and good luck!
May 27 03:33:56 <fxspec06> lol
May 27 03:33:59 <fxspec06> bubbles
May 27 03:34:08 <fxspec06> good night
May 27 04:07:43 * phil_bw wanders by
May 27 14:54:10 <madnificent> is there a way to specify a z-index relative to another box.  i have a three-pane layout that i might publish sometime soon (even though it isn't exactly finished).  but i'm having a dull issue with the z-index.  if i place a scroller inside the pane that will be covered, then the scrollbar of that pane shows through (its z-index is probably higher than the pane which i'm sliding over it).  is there a way to say "this tag 
May 27 14:54:10 <madnificent> everything that's positioned inside that other tag"?
May 27 14:54:14 * madnificent doubts it
May 27 15:10:48 <fxspec06> i can't think of anything off top of my head
May 27 15:11:34 <fxspec06> then again, all i've got is hair on the top of my head
May 27 15:15:27 <rwatkins> z-index is relative to its container z-index
May 27 15:15:52 <rwatkins> so in theory you can give each pane a z-index and the scrollbar will be relative to the parent which is being convered up, and thus lower thanthe one sliding over it.
May 27 15:55:28 <madnificent> rwatkins: ah, so then it should work if i use 1 1 and 0 as z-indexes
May 27 15:55:30 * madnificent tries
May 27 15:57:16 <madnificent> ty rwatkins
May 27 15:57:55 <madnificent> i read that it only works with fixed and position.  but your comment actually feets in between that, as they were talking about an absolute positioning.  though i doubt the text specified that it was only there for absolute positioning.
May 27 15:57:57 <madnificent> great stuff.
May 27 16:04:22 <fxspec06> so it works then
May 27 16:04:29 <madnificent> yup!
May 27 16:04:32 <fxspec06> i'm sorry, i thought you had known about that
May 27 16:04:39 <fxspec06> good call rwatkins
May 27 16:04:59 <madnificent> i should have tried, but somehow i was sure it wasn't going to.  probably because i searched for information before trying
May 27 16:05:16 <madnificent> i'm sorry for the confusion
May 27 16:05:33 <fxspec06> no worries. this is a confusing profession
May 27 16:05:40 <fxspec06> to say the least
May 27 16:06:02 <fxspec06> it's definitely not a hobby, and it's not for the faint hearted lol
May 27 16:09:20 <fxspec06> k. i needa figure how to clip an image
May 27 16:10:19 <fxspec06> of course, it looks like all the enyo 1 image methods are gone
May 27 16:11:38 <sugardave> use css to clip (but, don't ask me how to do it :)
May 27 16:13:10 <fxspec06> lol k. doesn't seem to hard.
May 27 16:13:11 <madnificent> fxspec06: set the width and height.  set the background (and some related options for the offset of the background) in css.  set overflow to hidden in CSS.
May 27 16:14:42 <fxspec06> that sounds a LOT better for what i'm doing, actually
May 27 16:15:38 <madnificent> also: i think enyo2 would allow you to make an abstraction of that.  it shouldn't be hard at all to make a component which takes an image and a region and which does this trickery for you!
May 27 16:15:43 <madnificent> which, imho, is rather sexy
May 27 16:16:21 <madnificent> and /very/ reusable.  it's common to use a single image for many styling needs
May 27 16:20:42 <fxspec06> can you set background image opacity
May 27 16:21:28 <fxspec06> hmm
May 27 16:43:22 <fxspec06> see looks nice but mayb need some transparency.. http://i.imgur.com/nrzho.gif
May 27 16:49:02 <madnificent> fxspec06: you could set the transparency of the whole div, i think.
May 27 16:49:50 <madnificent> fxspec06: perhaps you should make only the white partially transparent
May 27 16:50:41 <madnificent> another idea could be to add some white glow to the models and leave the white background off entirely.
May 27 16:52:13 <madnificent> fxspec06: i'd place the blue and black boxes on the upper-left, so the image is still clearly visible.  a circle might be better also, it might be less pressing
May 27 16:56:41 <fxspec06> i've been toying around and there's actually a new background-size css style
May 27 16:56:48 <fxspec06> called cover / contain
May 27 16:56:49 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/RUFCW.gif
May 27 16:57:01 <fxspec06> i REALLY like this, but the text is slightly hard to read
May 27 16:57:27 <fxspec06> s/slightly/nearly impossible
May 27 16:59:42 <madnificent> i prefer the old one, it's less bold
May 27 17:10:24 <fxspec06> me too.
May 27 17:10:49 <fxspec06> but you're right, the box has to move..
May 27 17:15:33 * madnificent is just saying what he thinks, not indicating that you *must* do things
May 27 17:16:11 * madnificent wonders if he should still try to buy a touchpad.  really short on cash, but could use a decent device.  also wonders if there are good web browsers for it (with multitouch and good svg support).
May 27 17:16:31 <madnificent> they seem to go 250 euros in this region
May 27 17:16:54 <fxspec06> no trust me i appreciate your input. i'm def not a UI designer
May 27 17:17:06 <fxspec06> a circle seems to alleviate much of the proble
May 27 17:17:08 <fxspec06> m*
May 27 17:20:03 * madnificent neither
May 27 17:21:34 <fxspec06> if there was someone w/ some good taste, i could totally use their input here. this app is like borderline
May 27 17:21:55 <fxspec06> w/ a killer UI it'd be very good, but right now it doesn't have that good feeling
May 27 17:24:01 <madnificent> how about making the columns look more like they contained a deck of cards?
May 27 17:24:04 <madnificent> like those old cards
May 27 17:24:19 <madnificent> you have rounded corners if you want
May 27 17:24:31 <madnificent> if you look at the deck of cards, then it'll contain only the image
May 27 17:24:48 <madnificent> (potentially with the dot in the left to indicate who has that team)
May 27 17:25:36 <madnificent> hover over it/tap it and the card deck moves a bit, so that card is slightly more visible (or make it turn 30 degrees to the side and swap out a bit, that'd be cool too), so you can see the name.
May 27 17:26:20 <madnificent> you remember those cards you used to have, right?  we only had them about cars, but they existed for baseball players and the likes as well (in the US at least)
May 27 17:28:10 * madnificent wonders if fxspec06 has the faintest idea what he is suggesting
May 27 17:29:32 <madnificent> also, i see the word Bills, which i assume should be Bulls (but i don't know shit of what this app is, don't know the culture)
May 27 17:29:46 <fxspec06> lol, sports team
May 27 17:29:52 <fxspec06> check sport
May 27 17:30:22 <fxspec06> it's for video games.. basically. it was supposed to be quick and easy so me and my cousin could track the games we played
May 27 17:30:34 <madnificent> ah cool
May 27 17:30:38 <fxspec06> then it turned out to be not-so-easy so i decided to try make a real app out of it
May 27 17:30:46 <madnificent> lol
May 27 17:30:47 <madnificent> cool
May 27 17:31:49 <fxspec06> oh damn. rounded edges in the list -- good good good stuff man
May 27 17:32:04 <fxspec06> makes it look better nearly instantly
May 27 17:32:18 <madnificent> if you only make the top rounded, then it should look like  deck of cards, i think
May 27 17:33:05 <madnificent> do you have a new screenshot?
May 27 17:33:07 <madnificent> i'm curious
May 27 17:33:28 <madnificent> also, if i don't answer anymore, that's probably a good thing.  should be working hard right now
May 27 17:34:04 <fxspec06> hmm
May 27 17:34:46 <madnificent> hmm?
May 27 17:36:19 <fxspec06> doesn't make too much of a diff, since i don't specify a bottom border anyways.. hold for SS
May 27 17:36:38 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/5uxAA.gif
May 27 17:36:56 <fxspec06> also i should change those default ugly circle colours
May 27 17:38:57 <madnificent> hmm, still annoyed by the white lines on the sides of the list, they go too far
May 27 17:40:05 <madnificent> i'd also let them overlap and remove the bottom corner.  with slightly more whitespace near the end, i think it'll feel more calming.
May 27 17:40:45 <madnificent> the border coler white/black should be left: border white, right: border black, but i don't know if that's possible.
May 27 17:40:48 <madnificent> it'd look cool though.
May 27 17:41:44 <madnificent> using the touch-scroll thing, you don't have the scrollbars on the sides either.  i find that to look cooler (and it feels just perfect to me, but i don't know if users will understand the scrolling actions).
May 27 17:42:48 <fxspec06> that border is from the enyo groupbox
May 27 17:42:58 <fxspec06> i'm pretty sure
May 27 17:43:05 <fxspec06> i'll override it see what looks like
May 27 17:43:18 * madnificent is an ass
May 27 17:46:41 <fxspec06> i'm not sure where it was coming from, actually..... o_O i managed to get rid of it tho. i know it's part of groupbox but not sure which component specifically
May 27 17:48:46 <fxspec06> oh wow. you're right, thing looks far better w/o those borders
May 27 17:50:38 <madnificent> screenshot!  i can't join in the fun! :/ :P
May 27 17:50:53 <madnificent> perhaps i should've stayed in architecture after all :P
May 27 17:51:28 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/Z0mWk.gif
May 27 17:51:41 <fxspec06> well sometimes all it takes is a 2nd opinion
May 27 17:52:37 <madnificent> hmm there's still something wrong...
May 27 17:52:49 <fxspec06> ya, i'm saving as .GIF
May 27 17:52:51 <fxspec06> lol
May 27 17:53:04 <fxspec06> but in kno. and ths is just ONE scene
May 27 17:53:07 <fxspec06> *sigh
May 27 17:53:38 <madnificent> could you add a border to the left of each card?  perhaps?  i somehow have the feeling like this should be somewhat more 3d-ish or something of the likes.  it misses depth
May 27 17:53:55 <madnificent> and yeah, i've made a few logos recently and we've always communicated to make it better.  really pays off.
May 27 17:58:52 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/dgliQ.png
May 27 18:00:21 <fxspec06> i can't believe i'm hungry for lunch already
May 27 18:01:14 <madnificent> that looks a lot better already
May 27 18:01:29 <fxspec06> ya, it does
May 27 18:01:38 <fxspec06> that's good work for a sunday morning. time for food
May 27 18:02:20 <madnificent> i think it would still be nicer if it'd look like real cards, but then you'd need to make the elements overlap.  the lines on the sides would then connect (but you'd need a darker border near the right.
May 27 18:02:50 <madnificent> some spacing around the column of setup tournament could be good too
May 27 18:02:54 <madnificent> of fuck, food!
May 27 18:03:05 <madnificent> it's 20:02 and i forgot to eat
May 27 18:03:08 * madnificent grabs food
May 27 18:12:34 <madnificent> fxspec06: ooh, i think i know what's a bit off yet
May 27 18:12:42 <madnificent> the headers of the columns
May 27 18:13:12 <madnificent> i don't think they should still have a rounded corner.  they don't resemble the cards, they have a different meaning
May 27 18:13:49 <fxspec06> that's also the default style of the groupboxheader
May 27 18:13:58 <fxspec06> can't say i care for it too much, either
May 27 18:14:24 <fxspec06> but i absolutely dig the font they use inside
May 27 18:14:28 <madnificent> and my guess would be that they could be a black background with a white border around them and white text (probably centered).  if the "setup tournament" thing i slightly bigger then, then i think it should make clear that that's the header of the things that are described below :)
May 27 18:14:41 * madnificent likes the enyo styling in general
May 27 18:14:49 <madnificent> really easy on the eyes
May 27 18:14:59 <fxspec06> yeah, it is
May 27 18:15:07 <fxspec06> always looks better on the device,
May 27 18:15:39 <madnificent> and with more onyx coming round, there's bound to be some more 'awesome' in the future.
May 27 18:15:51 * fxspec06 eagerly awaiting
May 27 19:48:08 <EricBlade> nice looking app fxspec06
May 27 19:54:07 <fxspec06> thanks. it's getting there
May 27 22:23:09 <visionary> anyone developing for the iphone?
May 27 22:24:06 <webOS-SynIRC> Not with Enyo. I messed with it briefly but my old mac mini is worthless for iOS dev
May 27 22:29:41 <visionary> is phonegap the best way to use enyo on iphone?
May 27 22:30:39 <EricBlade> afaik it's the only way, though there may be other ways
May 27 22:32:24 <fxspec06> there are other ways. VM.
May 27 22:36:26 * madnificent would probably use phonegap for any device-specific functionality if possible.  no use in devving for a single platform at the moment, or so it seems.
May 27 22:36:40 <madnificent> aside from having to pay for phonegap if it's not open
May 27 22:45:23 <visionary> so has the enyo team gone to google?
May 27 22:47:02 <webOS-SynIRC> No, just some. Matt seems to indicate that he/they may potentially be working with Enyo at google too though
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