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Jun 02 03:08:43 <invalidopcode> yeah visionary you could even be nice and release a pre3 version :)
Jun 02 03:57:29 <visionary> ok pre3
Jun 02 03:57:34 <visionary> i have one
Jun 02 04:01:24 <invalidopcode> visionary: one kindof app are you planning on building? (if you don't mind me asking)
Jun 02 04:07:49 <sugardave> everyone should check their portfolios for international markets and DUMP Steria stock if you own it.  That shit will be worthless in a few months after Leo "I'm an idiot" Apotheker starts making board decisions
Jun 02 04:11:00 <rrix> Wait, leo's on Steria now? oh shit
Jun 02 04:11:07 <rrix> apothocolypse
Jun 02 04:11:17 <sugardave> indeed
Jun 02 04:11:33 <sugardave> If I were a shareholder, I'd be super-pissed
Jun 02 04:11:33 <rrix> poor bastards
Jun 02 04:11:41 <sugardave> they obviously did NO due diligence
Jun 02 04:14:56 <fxspec06> leo: "hey i ran HP" steria: "HIRED!"
Jun 02 04:20:05 <sugardave> I wonder if he'll recommend ditching 30% of their revenue, too, and maybe suggest they do something completely unrelated to their business.  Like making donuts or something
Jun 02 04:21:10 <sugardave> well, I guess it's not COMPLETELY unrelated to get into big data, but jeez that guy still pisses me off
Jun 02 04:23:33 <fxspec06> i can only imagine
Jun 02 04:25:04 <sugardave> could you imagine the irony if Steria adopted the Enyo framework to provide apps/services to people?  Oh man, pipe dreams are the best!
Jun 02 04:25:46 <fxspec06> lol! and if he used autonomy's cloud services on top of that
Jun 02 04:26:55 <fxspec06> the only conference calls i ever listened to in my life was him
Jun 02 04:27:30 <fxspec06> i remember thinking, is this what real ceo's of big companies talk about
Jun 02 04:28:20 <sugardave> it's what deranged lunatics talk about, apparently
Jun 02 04:34:10 * fxspec06 chuckles
Jun 02 04:35:48 <invalidopcode> sugardave: he probably "forgot" to put HP on his resume :P
Jun 02 04:36:48 <sugardave> he didn't do too well at SAP, either
Jun 02 04:37:17 <sugardave> anyway, time for a steak
Jun 02 04:37:18 <sugardave> ttyl
Jun 02 04:37:19 <invalidopcode> I wonder if Steria did those "previous employer" reference calls
Jun 02 04:37:28 <invalidopcode> see ya
Jun 02 04:42:30 * phil_bw wanders by
Jun 02 04:42:55 <fxspec06> hola phil_bw
Jun 02 04:43:06 <phil_bw> hello
Jun 02 04:43:11 <fxspec06> what's new
Jun 02 04:43:24 <fxspec06> k so my app. i am totally wanting to release it soon.
Jun 02 04:43:40 <phil_bw> not a whole lot, you?
Jun 02 04:43:54 <phil_bw> what's your app?
Jun 02 04:44:02 <fxspec06> trying to make some touchups so this thing is release-able
Jun 02 04:44:17 <fxspec06> it's a tournament maker for sports gamers
Jun 02 04:44:41 <phil_bw> sounds promising
Jun 02 04:45:17 <fxspec06> what it does is awesome. and it looks awesome.
Jun 02 04:45:28 <phil_bw> but
Jun 02 04:45:33 <phil_bw> does it *function* awesome
Jun 02 04:45:34 <phil_bw> ?
Jun 02 04:46:38 <fxspec06> well, yes it does
Jun 02 04:46:46 <fxspec06> for the most part.
Jun 02 04:47:11 <fxspec06> the horizontal scroll needs to be revamped.. and it needs a little glitter here and there
Jun 02 04:47:42 <phil_bw> yeah I got kinda frustrated with any kind of custom scrolling in Enyo
Jun 02 04:47:51 <phil_bw> (probably wasn't using it right)
Jun 02 04:47:59 <phil_bw> so I scrapped it and went with my own method
Jun 02 04:49:43 <fxspec06> well the issue is i'm putting vertical scrollers inside a horizontal scroller
Jun 02 04:49:52 <fxspec06> it turns out it doesn't work very well
Jun 02 04:50:07 <phil_bw> ah
Jun 02 04:50:27 <phil_bw> well the fact that it works at all says more than what I accomplished
Jun 02 04:53:42 <phil_bw> I'm trying to write code while half asleep, I have a feeling this wont go over well
Jun 02 04:54:18 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 02 04:54:24 <fxspec06> yeah, that usually doesn't go very well
Jun 02 04:54:50 <phil_bw> tuning up my "Page Switching Engine"
Jun 02 04:54:57 <fxspec06> yeah this app does a lot. and i keep saying 'it needs more' but there comes a point where more is nitpicking
Jun 02 04:55:07 <phil_bw> yeah
Jun 02 04:55:13 <phil_bw> sometimes you just need to release it
Jun 02 04:55:16 <phil_bw> then upate it
Jun 02 04:55:19 <phil_bw> and release an update
Jun 02 04:55:36 <phil_bw> some developers do it that way ya know?
Jun 02 04:55:40 <fxspec06> well once i fix these few issues, it'll be released
Jun 02 04:56:08 <fxspec06> i worked by tail off for last two weeks, and i'm having trouble battling MS trying to get my game on WP7. so i need something
Jun 02 04:56:29 <fxspec06> what's your page switching engine?
Jun 02 04:56:31 <phil_bw> I know nothing of WP7
Jun 02 04:56:48 <phil_bw> oh it's a very simplified version of stacking pages
Jun 02 04:56:50 <fxspec06> it's cool. i've got a lumia in the mail for the port
Jun 02 04:57:09 <fxspec06> thanks to @ webosdealer // now @ nokiadevnyc
Jun 02 04:57:27 <fxspec06> me and kesne, the creator of villo are getting one
Jun 02 04:57:35 <phil_bw> oh nice, I hear from the people that use WP7 that they really like it, I'm happy on Android so I've never bothered
Jun 02 04:58:06 <fxspec06> well i wont' be able to use it as main phone, since it's AT&T. but i'll most certainly be using it as an at home device
Jun 02 04:58:26 <phil_bw> It took a very long time just to get my Nexus S to be as likable as my Pre was, I can't imagine using something else
Jun 02 04:58:40 <phil_bw> but once I was able to write code from the toilet I knew I had it configured properly :)
Jun 02 04:59:54 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 02 05:00:30 <phil_bw> So how is writing an Enyo app for WP7 going anyway?  Don't they have strict guidelines on how it needs to function?
Jun 02 05:01:05 <fxspec06> argh. i need to find a way to create a unique identifier for a tournament that's re-createable and undeniably unique
Jun 02 05:01:19 <phil_bw> you lost me
Jun 02 05:01:23 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 02 05:01:28 <phil_bw> then again I'm so tired my own code has lost me at this point
Jun 02 05:01:54 <fxspec06> i'm saving and i'm saving by array index, so i compare by tournament name to choose the slot to save it in.. but the name is sometimes the same
Jun 02 05:02:05 <fxspec06> so it'll overwrite the wrong slots
Jun 02 05:02:11 <fxspec06> which is bad
Jun 02 05:02:36 <phil_bw> what are you using to ensure it's unique?
Jun 02 05:03:03 <fxspec06> right now, just the name. so i think i gotta give it some sort of random ID
Jun 02 05:03:20 <fxspec06> i should like, hash a date or something
Jun 02 05:03:29 * fxspec06 overkill
Jun 02 05:03:48 <phil_bw> i'd probably hash a date for it
Jun 02 05:04:15 <phil_bw> then again I have a problem with overkill sometimes so to each their own I guess
Jun 02 05:07:57 <fxspec06> hash date it is!
Jun 02 05:09:46 <fxspec06> man, that creates one heck of an ID
Jun 02 05:09:54 <fxspec06> no way anything's gonna overwrite now!
Jun 02 05:10:04 <phil_bw> hm, I need to waterfall an event but the starting point needs to be just a regular non-enyo created div with an id.  Is that possible?
Jun 02 05:10:32 <fxspec06> you can create a div with an id in enyo
Jun 02 05:10:47 <phil_bw> these ones are not
Jun 02 05:10:57 * invalidopcode sits quietly in the corner listening intently to the conversation
Jun 02 05:10:57 <phil_bw> everything else inside these divs is enyo created
Jun 02 05:11:17 <fxspec06> hmm.
Jun 02 05:11:19 * phil_bw apologizes to invalidopcode for boring him to death
Jun 02 05:12:00 <invalidopcode> phil_bw: haha its actually not too boring to me :P
Jun 02 05:12:18 <invalidopcode> I actually wanted to ask fxspec06 a quick question about villo that's all
Jun 02 05:12:18 <fxspec06> you can try waterfall on this.node.parentNode
Jun 02 05:12:30 <fxspec06> ask away
Jun 02 05:12:53 <invalidopcode> i was reading about its storage functionality
Jun 02 05:13:21 <invalidopcode> how easy is it to convert from browser localStorage to the villo storage?
Jun 02 05:14:08 <invalidopcode> because there didn't seen to be too much documentation on it, and I'm thinking about moving my app's storage to villo (the alternative is palm.db)
Jun 02 05:14:53 <fxspec06> well it's fairly easy
Jun 02 05:15:11 <fxspec06> alls it does is take an object and stringify it
Jun 02 05:15:20 <invalidopcode> hm....
Jun 02 05:15:25 <invalidopcode> okay
Jun 02 05:15:41 <fxspec06> so when you feed it JSON.stringify(obj); and when you retrieve it JSON.parse(obj)
Jun 02 05:15:47 <invalidopcode> okay
Jun 02 05:16:25 <invalidopcode> so if i created an object that took the place of the localStorage object, and then did that it would be almost a drop-in replacement for localStorage?
Jun 02 05:16:37 <fxspec06> you got it
Jun 02 05:16:47 <invalidopcode> okkie dokie thanks
Jun 02 05:16:53 * invalidopcode goes back to his corner
Jun 02 05:16:57 <fxspec06> lol
Jun 02 05:17:01 <invalidopcode> sorry for interrupting phil_bw
Jun 02 05:17:10 <phil_bw> its all good :)
Jun 02 05:17:24 <invalidopcode> :)
Jun 02 05:17:31 <phil_bw> btw I suck with Enyo code
Jun 02 05:17:39 <phil_bw> with that in mind
Jun 02 05:17:57 <phil_bw> let's say I've got a DIV called "div1"
Jun 02 05:17:59 <fxspec06> oh hmm
Jun 02 05:18:17 <phil_bw> how would I go about sending a waterfall to it's child div (which is enyo created)
Jun 02 05:19:03 <fxspec06> so you're trying to call an event on the enyo child div, from a file outside enyo
Jun 02 05:19:19 <phil_bw> no, it's all in the same file
Jun 02 05:19:27 <phil_bw> er
Jun 02 05:19:28 <phil_bw> wait
Jun 02 05:19:32 <phil_bw> no the div isnt
Jun 02 05:21:04 <fxspec06> it'd probably help if i knew what a waterfall was
Jun 02 05:21:28 <fxspec06> is that like, a bubble
Jun 02 05:21:45 <phil_bw> yes, other direction
Jun 02 05:21:55 <phil_bw> send an event down through the chain (rather than bubble it up)
Jun 02 05:22:29 <fxspec06> so when do you want to call it? like, what scope does the function you're calling from have
Jun 02 05:22:40 <fxspec06> from a div event ?
Jun 02 05:23:09 <phil_bw> the function calling it is calling from outside of everything
Jun 02 05:23:48 <phil_bw> it's not in any kind of enyo script
Jun 02 05:24:02 <fxspec06> you can access the enyo tree by the first enyo variable you create, the one in index.htm
Jun 02 05:24:30 <fxspec06> so if you do like: var _myapp = new App().renderInto(document.body);
Jun 02 05:24:57 <phil_bw> right, that happens inside one of the divs
Jun 02 05:24:58 <fxspec06> you can access the tree with _myapp.$.myfirstkind.$.mycontrol.bubbleUp(event);
Jun 02 05:25:11 <fxspec06> but that's the only way i can think of for now
Jun 02 05:25:43 <fxspec06> afaik there's no way to determine which enyo control belongs to which div
Jun 02 05:25:51 <fxspec06> unless
Jun 02 05:27:11 <fxspec06> you assign your own event listener to the kind you want to bubble
Jun 02 05:28:00 <phil_bw> hmm...
Jun 02 05:28:29 <phil_bw> I have an idea...
Jun 02 05:28:40 <fxspec06> in enyo, and then call that event via the node tree event.target.children[0].onclick() or something
Jun 02 05:29:00 <fxspec06> that's probably the wrong thing but you get the idea. not sure how well that'd work
Jun 02 05:29:35 <fxspec06> apparently enyo captures certain events on all elements, though
Jun 02 05:29:42 <phil_bw> each div only ever has one enyo control loadeded at it's root so I'm just going to store it in a variable and access it that way
Jun 02 05:30:47 <fxspec06> is there any way to do a function on the enyo control kind create
Jun 02 05:30:57 <fxspec06> and add a event listener to the control node parent
Jun 02 05:31:18 <fxspec06> that would work
Jun 02 05:31:47 <fxspec06> s/would/could
Jun 02 05:40:32 <phil_bw> ok, I'm too tired to make any of this work
Jun 02 05:40:34 <phil_bw> have a good night
Jun 02 05:40:42 <fxspec06> you too
Jun 02 05:40:44 <fxspec06> later
Jun 02 05:40:46 <invalidopcode> night phil_bw
Jun 02 05:40:49 * phil_bw wanders off
Jun 02 05:41:45 <sugardave> nooooo, I had (maybe) the answer for phil
Jun 02 05:42:24 <rrix> So, I'm running my enyo app on a server, how do I prevent overscroll in touch browsers like webOS's?
Jun 02 05:42:41 <rrix> I would just package the thing for webos and give up, but I'm doing things serverside like dynamic package.js and such
Jun 02 05:42:43 <sugardave> enyo.byId("div1").waterfall("event", {prop: val});
Jun 02 05:45:10 <sugardave> rrix: not sure...webOS browser ALWAYS overscrolls.  I had to do a bunch of kludgery to keep it fromhappening on a regular Scroller
Jun 02 05:46:09 <rrix> :\
Jun 02 05:50:21 <fxspec06> whoah i'll remember that one.
Jun 02 05:50:36 <sugardave> not for sure if that works, but something to try anyway
Jun 02 05:51:55 <fxspec06> is there any way to make a List kind re-orderable, like there was in enyo 1 ?
Jun 02 05:53:42 <sugardave> not yet...but check the gallery and see if anyone has added their own yet
Jun 02 06:17:39 <EricBlade> wow in 9 days of release, gvoice chrome has generated more traffic to my website than all other platforms except webos
Jun 02 06:18:11 <EricBlade> and has outsold the android version in units, at a much higher price
Jun 02 06:18:37 <EricBlade> over those 9 days, not over all time
Jun 02 06:19:37 * invalidopcode slowly crawls out of his corner to ask a quick a quick Mojo question.... 
Jun 02 06:20:53 <invalidopcode> actually I guess I should ask in #webos since this is the enyo channel...
Jun 02 06:27:56 <fxspec06> hmm
Jun 02 06:28:02 <fxspec06> i wonder if i should release wild'n chrome.
Jun 02 06:28:07 <fxspec06> it's been working since december
Jun 02 06:33:49 <rrix> mo... jo?
Jun 02 06:33:56 <rrix> I've never actually done mojo, lol
Jun 02 06:34:26 <invalidopcode> rrix: neither had I... until about 10 hours ago
Jun 02 06:34:32 <rrix> heh
Jun 02 06:34:33 <rrix> I'm sorry ;)
Jun 02 06:34:43 <invalidopcode> its ugggglllllyyyyyy
Jun 02 06:35:51 <invalidopcode> I decided I wanted to improve the instagram client for webos (instagrio) so I started poking around
Jun 02 06:37:49 <invalidopcode> now i'm running into JS scope issues like normal
Jun 02 06:37:59 * invalidopcode still prefers C++ scope rules
Jun 02 06:57:43 <invalidopcode> ok I'm done for tonight
Jun 02 06:57:49 <invalidopcode> night everyone
Jun 02 07:00:18 <rrix> doing static html-ish things in enyo is panful
Jun 02 07:00:18 <rrix> I'm tempted to just do a renderinto but
Jun 02 07:02:56 * rrix does a renderinto
Jun 02 07:03:32 <rrix> er, an innerhtml, not an renderinto
Jun 02 07:48:50 <fxspec06> wooooooooooo
Jun 02 07:49:00 <fxspec06> i did the scrolly thing w/ the bottom toolbar, and it's AWESOME
Jun 02 07:53:03 <fxspec06> it's extremely fun and is an absoltuely viable alternative to using a horizontal scroller
Jun 02 08:03:07 <rrix> hahaha oh wow
Jun 02 08:03:09 <rrix> Currently at HeatSync Labs: https://twitter.com/jacobrosenthal/status/208823152682352640
Jun 02 08:05:59 <fxspec06> LOL
Jun 02 08:07:30 <rrix> tradica will randomly grace our presence, always managing to one up the last business
Jun 02 08:10:11 <fxspec06> grr why these images not appearing! -__-
Jun 02 08:22:16 <fxspec06> middle box suppsed to be nba log -__- smh http://yfrog.com/z/espnzvp
Jun 02 08:22:21 <fxspec06> anyways i'm off to bed. g'nite!
Jun 02 13:06:06 <madnificent> fxspec06: i just love how wrong this sounds, even if the spelling is off:  "you should make your ball and night less hairy."  with which i want to say:  look at what you can do with the border of the red and yellow ball, it looks incorrect.  peraps don't add a border but add a shadow to it?
Jun 02 15:22:38 <sugardave> rrix: I think at the lowest level of the framework, renderInto sets innerHtml
Jun 02 15:48:40 <fxspec06> madnificent: no way to add a shadow
Jun 02 15:48:52 <fxspec06> drop shadow not supported =P
Jun 02 15:49:40 <madnificent> add the shadow to the png, or add it to the svg (though that should work fine if you use transparancy, it looks fugly if you use blur)
Jun 02 15:49:50 <fxspec06> there's no .png for the circles
Jun 02 15:50:11 <fxspec06> those are just webkit border radius's
Jun 02 15:50:27 <madnificent> are you sure, i'm quite sure that i once drew a circle in inkscape and exported it to a png
Jun 02 15:51:09 <madnificent> also, draw the circle like you did -now, add another one below/right 3px in grey + transparancy
Jun 02 15:51:49 <fxspec06> ya, that makes more sense
Jun 02 15:52:00 <fxspec06> but then grr id have to do it everywhere there's a circle
Jun 02 15:52:16 <fxspec06> man this IPK is not replacing on the touchpad!!!
Jun 02 15:52:27 <madnificent> you didn't make a kind for your circle?
Jun 02 15:52:33 <fxspec06> looks like i have to open a cmd prompt
Jun 02 15:52:45 <fxspec06> no i did, but the circle is part of a outside kind
Jun 02 15:52:49 <fxspec06> hard to explain
Jun 02 15:53:44 <fxspec06> ok so the circle itself is a kind.. but that kind is literally a circle. so in order to put a drop shadow, i'd have to do that outside the kind
Jun 02 15:54:59 <fxspec06> ugh if i delete this app, i need to retrieve the cookie
Jun 02 15:56:10 <madnificent> fxspec06: make a new kind with the name of the original kind and extend it.  hmmm, which would mean extending the external library which you'd prefer not to.
Jun 02 16:00:06 <fxspec06> o damn, no wonder why the image isn't showing
Jun 02 16:00:13 <fxspec06> undercase !!
Jun 02 16:01:25 <fxspec06> chrome is flexible when it comes to SRC cases
Jun 02 18:48:23 <sugardave> damn, that is annoying
Jun 02 19:22:15 <rwatkins>  just implemented a "lazy" feature on my custom Pane control - was actually pretty straightforward.
Jun 02 19:45:16 <sugardave> nice!
Jun 02 20:11:54 <fxspec06> sweet. you can finally edit the tournament name / user name
Jun 02 20:26:20 <fxspec06> i cannot get anything to go italic on the touchpad
Jun 02 20:46:09 <fxspec06> also, on the TP there is a 1px gap between the top of the 'body' and the bottom
Jun 03 01:08:57 <rrix> We got webOS overscrolling disabled with     <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width initial-scale=1.0, maximum-scale=1.0, user-scalable=no">
Jun 03 01:09:00 <rrix> sugardave: ^
Jun 03 01:09:15 <rrix> so now the Panels layout works in webos
Jun 03 01:11:51 <rrix> well, kind of. still appears to be overscrolling on my pre3
Jun 03 01:16:56 * rrix &
Jun 03 01:22:03 <fxspec06> YES.
Jun 03 01:22:13 <fxspec06> i've figured out why the sliding panels disappear
Jun 03 01:22:18 <fxspec06> it's because of the ANIMATOR
Jun 03 01:22:44 <fxspec06> somewhere along the line, if a sliding is rendered() or if it disappears before the animator finishes, it screws it up completely
Jun 03 01:23:00 <fxspec06> the fix? in a slider, call this.$.animator.cancel() i believe
Jun 03 01:24:15 <fxspec06> nope, it's play()
Jun 03 01:24:38 <fxspec06> if you call this.$.animator.play() just before you call any animate, it will work and not break
Jun 03 01:26:00 <fxspec06> whew
Jun 03 01:27:40 <rwatkins> is the animator being passed a node, and thus does not continue when the node is not visible?
Jun 03 01:31:20 <fxspec06> the play accepts inProps
Jun 03 01:31:48 <fxspec06> i know it def doesn't continue when it's not visible
Jun 03 01:32:09 <fxspec06> and when it tries to continue when it's not visible, it will keep trying until it's told otherwise
Jun 03 02:53:55 * phil_bw wanders by
Jun 03 02:54:02 <phil_bw> anyone around?
Jun 03 02:55:08 * invalidopcode is
Jun 03 02:55:15 <phil_bw> I
Jun 03 02:55:24 <phil_bw> I've got a stupid JS/Enyo question
Jun 03 02:55:33 <phil_bw> probably very rookie but I'm not sure how to google it
Jun 03 02:55:38 <fxspec06> the only stupid question is the one not asked
Jun 03 02:56:02 <phil_bw> so let's say you've got an Enyo object with a name of "test"
Jun 03 02:56:19 <phil_bw> you could do this.$.test.doSomething() for example
Jun 03 02:56:43 <fxspec06> yes
Jun 03 02:56:46 <phil_bw> now let's say I have an array of strings with names of objects so testarray[1] = "test"
Jun 03 02:57:00 <fxspec06> yes
Jun 03 02:57:15 <phil_bw> clearly this.$.testarray[1].doSomething() isn't going to work
Jun 03 02:57:31 <rwatkins> this.$[testarray[1]].doSomething();
Jun 03 02:57:34 <fxspec06> this.$[]
Jun 03 02:57:37 <phil_bw> really?
Jun 03 02:57:49 <rwatkins> the magic of javascript
Jun 03 02:57:54 <fxspec06> mhm. is this way with all JS
Jun 03 02:58:11 <phil_bw> I'm pretty new to JS, been writing PHP for about as long as PHP has been around
Jun 03 02:58:32 <rwatkins> dot syntax is the same as array by name.
Jun 03 02:58:41 <rwatkins> foo.bar = foo[bar]
Jun 03 02:58:53 <rwatkins> uh
Jun 03 02:58:58 <rwatkins> foo.bar = foo["bar"]
Jun 03 02:59:07 <phil_bw> really
Jun 03 02:59:13 <fxspec06> really really
Jun 03 02:59:14 <phil_bw> that makes this code a whole lot easier
Jun 03 02:59:21 <rwatkins> the second, not the first.  but yea, really
Jun 03 02:59:26 <phil_bw> right
Jun 03 02:59:36 <phil_bw> or foo[arraywithstringinit[1]]
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