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Jun 05 03:00:05 <fxspec06> here on CM9, the wide scroller allows you to scroll yourself... but on the right side of the scroller (the far side) it moves past where the last object is rendered
Jun 05 03:00:26 <fxspec06> and when you try to tap on an item in a list, the tap is not registered in the correct place on the screen it seems
Jun 05 03:00:36 <summatusmentis> b4? b4 was supposed to be much better
Jun 05 03:00:45 <fxspec06> hmm this is interesting
Jun 05 03:01:05 <fxspec06> it's as if the elements ARE on the far right... but visually they are appearing in the middle of the screen
Jun 05 03:03:26 <fxspec06> exhibit a: http://i.imgur.com/vOOHp.jpg
Jun 05 03:04:22 <fxspec06> if you tap on the 'east' column, the item does not light up. however, if you tap on the right edge of the screen, where the column should be..... it lights up perfectly
Jun 05 03:04:31 <fxspec06> o_O
Jun 05 03:05:41 <fxspec06> this is so weird
Jun 05 03:07:11 <fxspec06> oh boy, bigger problem
Jun 05 03:07:18 <fxspec06> sliding panes? not slideable
Jun 05 03:07:34 <fxspec06> that or, idk i jsut can't explain this
Jun 05 03:09:37 <fxspec06> yeah, totally not draggable
Jun 05 03:10:26 <fxspec06> damnit! i was hoping i wouldn't run into any android bugs. =|
Jun 05 03:31:06 <fxspec06> it's worth noting that performance is worse in CM9 than it was on the playbook
Jun 05 04:23:08 <fxspec06> also interesting: with titanium, on build the enyo.js file is too long. because it objfuscates it
Jun 05 04:24:08 <fxspec06> but that's a bug w/ titanium.
Jun 05 04:30:15 <unwiredben> does titanium allow you to do a DOM-based app using Enyo?
Jun 05 04:30:28 <unwiredben> I was under the impression Ti apps had to use their own native API on top of JS
Jun 05 04:31:14 <unwiredben> as for Android bugs... what a headache! I hope it will be much nicer once the Chrome team's able to deliver the system-version of WebKit
Jun 05 04:32:34 <summatusmentis> that's not a good sign, if the scrollers still aren't working, my advisor won't like that idea
Jun 05 04:34:22 <unwiredben> I'm not saying that we won't try to address the problems, but we may have to sacrifice perfomance for correctness on some Android versions
Jun 05 04:34:28 <fxspec06> the normal scrollers are working. it's my screwy horizontal scroller with vertical scrollers that are broken. but it could also just be the horizontal scrolling
Jun 05 04:35:06 <unwiredben> the transforms are giving us problems on some 2.x versions, and I think 4.0.3 was having problems that 4.0.2 and 4.0.4 didn't have
Jun 05 04:35:47 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: horizontal scroll with vertical scrollers internally?
Jun 05 04:35:51 <fxspec06> yeah
Jun 05 04:35:52 <summatusmentis> that's not my use case, good
Jun 05 04:36:24 <fxspec06> and the time it takes this stuff to build and deploy does not make debugging fun.
Jun 05 04:36:43 <summatusmentis> unwiredben: I don't mean to sound as though I fault you, I just convinced my advisor to let me switch to enyo for the cross-platform stuff, (away from native android)
Jun 05 04:37:02 <summatusmentis> and I have to have something that'll pass muster, or I'll have "wasted" X amount of time
Jun 05 04:37:11 <unwiredben> we're investigating using TestSwarm to better manage our cross-browser testing -- one problem has been managing all the information about the various platforms and what's working there
Jun 05 04:37:29 <summatusmentis> and to HCI people, massing muster means something different than for other stuff
Jun 05 04:37:47 <unwiredben> http://swarm.jquery.org/
Jun 05 04:38:29 <unwiredben> summatusmentis: the quality of Android implementations varies dramatically, alas
Jun 05 04:39:20 <fxspec06> summatusmentis: if it makes you feel any better, all the other widgets and such appear to be working properly. the sliders don't slide.. but i was able to work around this by simply hiding and showing them as needed. and.. quite wonderfully.... the new onyx input WORKS.
Jun 05 04:40:42 <fxspec06> but results will def vary from device to device. i'm not going to be releasing this for devices w/ o hardware accelleration. i think i've learned my lesson from wild'n
Jun 05 04:41:17 <fxspec06> in general web apps on android are not very good performance wise w/o the hardware accel.
Jun 05 04:42:15 <unwiredben> which is quite ironic considering Google's web focus
Jun 05 04:42:36 <unwiredben> but not when you realize that Android has its own culture within the larger Google machine
Jun 05 05:22:17 <fxspec06> i can't understand this. my bottom bar works correctly right away. it scrolls the box to the right properly. but then as soon as i touch an area inside the scroll box, the scroller JUMPS back to the far left, unprovoked
Jun 05 05:24:16 <fxspec06> "miss a drag as we are waiting for webcore's response for touch down."
Jun 05 05:25:01 <fxspec06> annnnnnnnd i've fixed it.....
Jun 05 05:26:21 <fxspec06> alls i did was change the osInfo for android to the ios default, 5. and it doesn't jump to the left.
Jun 05 05:28:11 <fxspec06> yep! totally working great, now
Jun 05 05:31:34 <unwiredben> please file issues with things you find wonky in our github repos, especially if you have workarounds
Jun 05 05:31:42 <unwiredben> that's the easiest way for us to track the problems
Jun 05 05:32:04 <fxspec06> actually
Jun 05 05:33:16 <fxspec06> it was something else i believe, in conjunction with that..
Jun 05 05:33:41 <fxspec06> i'll be sure to visit github
Jun 05 05:34:51 <fxspec06> i'm almost positive that it's only horizontal:hidden; that fixed my problem.. in which case, there's no workarounds. but i'll leave a comment
Jun 05 05:55:46 <unwiredben> ok, turning in
Jun 05 05:56:05 <unwiredben> was just reading up on backbone.js... think we might make a wiki page translating backbone talk to enyo talk
Jun 05 15:40:56 <visionary> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2OGHVinh1o&feature=relmfu
Jun 05 15:43:04 <unwiredben> I'm hoping my talk will be posted in a few weeks, but it might only be in the paid section of the ORA site
Jun 05 15:43:37 <unwiredben> an earlier version is up as a screencast at http://www.youtube.com/enyojs
Jun 05 15:44:18 <madnificent> unwiredben: i'm eagerly waiting for it!
Jun 05 15:47:41 <unwiredben> The main changes were to the examples, covering a little on panels & lists, and showing off the examples more
Jun 05 15:47:56 <unwiredben> but I didn't go as deep with the code walkthrough since the audience wasn't as interactive
Jun 05 15:50:08 <madnificent> unwiredben: they weren't as interested as hoped?  probably weren't speeching for the quire either
Jun 05 15:50:41 <unwiredben_> no, the Austin talk was around a big confernece table so I was able to get more eye contact and relax a bit
Jun 05 15:50:50 <unwiredben_> this was on a stage with lights shining on me
Jun 05 15:51:18 <madnificent> ah
Jun 05 15:52:28 <fxspec06> excuses
Jun 05 15:52:56 <madnificent> well, i hope to hear/see the new one soon :)  I liked the previous one a lot and it did give me some clarity on how i should use enyo.  it could be smart to link to them from enyojs.com as well.  (or just the enyojs yt channel once it contains a bit more content)
Jun 05 15:53:56 <unwiredben_> yeah, we're in the middle of a website rework (isn't everyone!)
Jun 05 15:54:14 <unwiredben_> I think we linked from the blog, but we're going to have to take the enyojs.com and split the content up into a few pages
Jun 05 15:58:37 <unwiredben> I'm spending the day hanging on wifi at RIM's Blackberry 10 Jam event here in Austin
Jun 05 15:59:00 <unwiredben> they have a web-oriented track this afternoon, including a session on JS frameworks
Jun 05 15:59:09 <unwiredben> might have to speak up a little in that one :)
Jun 05 15:59:10 <fxspec06> and you get paid to go there.. =P
Jun 05 15:59:22 <unwiredben> well, I'm working while here
Jun 05 15:59:40 <unwiredben> in the middle of checking out the new API viewer for the b5 release
Jun 05 16:00:53 <fxspec06> api viewer? for offline
Jun 05 16:03:31 <madnificent> sounds awesome to work at hp/palm/enyojs these days :)
Jun 05 16:06:12 <fxspec06> yeah, for real.
Jun 05 16:10:53 <unwiredben> So, we've been shipping an alpha version in the Enyo ZIP, but Scott Miles rewrote it all over the last few months
Jun 05 16:11:09 <unwiredben> and got it mostly finished before leaving
Jun 05 16:16:41 <madnificent> Enyo ZIP?
Jun 05 16:19:14 <unwiredben> The all-in-one download at https://github.com/enyojs/enyo/downloads
Jun 05 16:19:26 <unwiredben> we package them up when we tag a beta release
Jun 05 16:20:35 <madnificent> ah, thanks
Jun 05 16:20:49 * madnificent builds his own from source as changes occur often
Jun 05 16:21:40 <fxspec06> psh. i'm not that ambitious
Jun 05 16:43:46 <sugardave> just get the enyo-sdk or bootplate builds and submodule update the bleeding edge stuff
Jun 05 16:43:57 <sugardave> don't want to be left behind!
Jun 05 16:46:13 <madnificent> and you can always revert to a previous version
Jun 05 16:46:26 <madnificent> (and you can package/compress your complete app which is rather cool as well imho)
Jun 05 16:46:42 <sugardave> si
Jun 05 17:32:46 <fxspec06> well, it appears popups don't work on ios
Jun 05 17:33:05 <fxspec06> nope spoke too soon
Jun 05 17:42:37 <fxspec06> i take that back, enyo runs absolutely wonderous on ios..
Jun 05 17:52:09 <summatusmentis> that's good
Jun 05 17:52:19 <summatusmentis> I like hearing that
Jun 05 17:52:59 <summatusmentis> I should probably try building out my app in these different platforms, so that I at least know it'll do it's thing
Jun 05 17:53:14 <summatusmentis> instead of just assuming it will
Jun 05 17:54:59 <sugardave> do you guys even listen to the things we say?! :P
Jun 05 17:55:45 <summatusmentis> nope
Jun 05 17:55:47 <summatusmentis> not really
Jun 05 17:56:02 <summatusmentis> why would people who work on this stuff know what they're talking about
Jun 05 17:56:25 <summatusmentis> bah, ben left
Jun 05 17:58:35 <fxspec06> listening is not seeing for yourself =P
Jun 05 17:59:13 <fxspec06> this is so cool. multi platform simulatenous enyo 2.0 release
Jun 05 18:07:05 <sugardave> yessir
Jun 05 18:08:47 <fxspec06> i could not do this 12 times a year though. this is exhausting O.O
Jun 05 18:12:35 <madnificent> fxspec06: what is?
Jun 05 18:25:28 <fxspec06> making an app from scratch in a month lol
Jun 05 23:48:22 <fxspec06> woo! approved! two days
Jun 05 23:48:55 <madnificent> where?
Jun 05 23:49:16 <fxspec06> whenever the next batch goes live
Jun 05 23:49:31 <madnificent> no, in which store was it approved in two days?
Jun 05 23:49:33 <fxspec06> probably.. in about 11 mins
Jun 05 23:49:36 <fxspec06> oh, webos
Jun 05 23:49:45 <madnificent> that's fast!  nice!
Jun 05 23:49:54 <fxspec06> yeah! must not be a lot of ppl submitting apps
Jun 05 23:50:01 <madnificent> is it available only for the TP?
Jun 05 23:50:11 * fxspec06 i remember when the wait was a week and a half long
Jun 05 23:50:37 <fxspec06> yeah
Jun 05 23:50:51 <fxspec06> i don't see how this would work on a phone. it's just a bad idea on a phone imo
Jun 06 02:26:56 * phil_bw wanders by
Jun 06 02:30:42 <EricBlade1> hey phil_bw
Jun 06 02:30:50 <phil_bw> evenin' EricBlade1
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