**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 07 02:59:59 2012
Jun 07 03:01:04 <fxspec06> even still those people w/ apple phones likely won't ever see google maps again, and if the apple maps just work and they look great, they're not gonna care how smart the gmaps is
Jun 07 03:02:11 <halfhalo> I know I wont!
Jun 07 03:02:22 <rwatkins> true.  but they may later care when google maps routes better with live traffic data.  or finds the correct store because apples data is out of date.
Jun 07 03:02:31 <halfhalo> and I don't even have an apple phone
Jun 07 03:09:21 <invalidopcode> but then its one more thing you can brag about to your iphone-carrying friends
Jun 07 03:23:34 <invalidopcode> rwatkins: I wonder... would it be easier to just build a patch for webos to tweet the enyo notification code to have the solid color background?
Jun 07 03:27:23 <rwatkins> yes, you could just patch webOS.  but I did not want to reply on a patch being installed for my app to work, as I cannot detect if the patch is installed.
Jun 07 03:27:47 <rwatkins> and at the point that I made this fix, you were also not allowed to bundle your own version of enyo.
Jun 07 03:29:20 <rwatkins> you could just fix this, and pull down all the fixes to enyo 1.0 from github and wrap it up as a preware package too.
Jun 07 03:30:40 <invalidopcode> ah okay
Jun 07 03:30:47 * invalidopcode thinks about it
Jun 07 03:32:36 <rwatkins> Enyo on 2.x is still a bit of a half-finished hack.
Jun 07 03:33:15 <rwatkins> glad it made it, but clearly was not quite fully baked.
Jun 07 03:33:41 <invalidopcode> yeah I can tell that
Jun 07 03:34:14 <invalidopcode> i'm wondering if it is possible for enyo to call the mojo dashboard notifications
Jun 07 03:34:46 <fxspec06> you could technically run a mojo app containing a webview with an enyo app
Jun 07 03:35:04 <rwatkins> perhaps, but I think just copying and fixin the enyo version seems more efficient.
Jun 07 03:35:07 <fxspec06> and use content document to listen for mojo functions
Jun 07 03:35:21 <fxspec06> seems inefficient, but i wonder how bad it'd be
Jun 07 03:35:35 <invalidopcode> yeah I don't think i really want to go down that road
Jun 07 03:35:54 <invalidopcode> so rwatkins you said its a css change somewhere?
Jun 07 03:35:55 <rwatkins> I wrote a bunch of Mojo code once, I really have no desire to go back to it.
Jun 07 03:36:11 * invalidopcode learned mojo this weekend, just for the heck of it
Jun 07 03:36:13 <fxspec06> lol. i've written a couple apps
Jun 07 03:36:18 <rwatkins> ya, just set a bg color in the css file being applied to teh dashboard html
Jun 07 03:36:31 <fxspec06> i've done the dashes, they always felt like a hack
Jun 07 03:36:50 <invalidopcode> hm... okay
Jun 07 03:37:07 <rwatkins> if you novaterm into the device you can just edit your own css file and see it get fixed.
Jun 07 03:37:35 <invalidopcode> that's what I'm about to do
Jun 07 03:37:51 <rwatkins> the only trick is really to copy the html/css and then have your copy of the dashboard kind point there instead.
Jun 07 03:38:12 <fxspec06> there yo ugo. best idea
Jun 07 03:38:18 * fxspec06 off to bed
Jun 07 03:38:28 <fxspec06> later all. okc in nba finals
Jun 07 03:38:45 <rwatkins> enyo.kind({ name: "Papermache.Dashboard", kind: enyo.Dashboard, indexPath: "dashboard-window/dashboard.html"
Jun 07 03:38:48 <rwatkins> });
Jun 07 03:40:22 <rwatkins> then I just copied everything from the Enyo dashboard into my dashboard-window directory and edited the .css file with the fix.
Jun 07 03:40:34 <invalidopcode> okay cool
Jun 07 03:40:38 <invalidopcode> ill look
Jun 07 03:40:51 <invalidopcode> do you happen to remember where enyo is located on the device?
Jun 07 03:41:32 <fxspec06> usr/palm/applications/frameworks/enyo/1.0/enyo
Jun 07 03:42:28 <invalidopcode> 'frameworks' does not exist in that directory
Jun 07 03:44:01 <rwatkins> ya, my pre3 is now sitting on the shelf, turned off ... :/
Jun 07 03:44:08 <fxspec06> usr/palm/frameworks is on my pre2
Jun 07 03:44:31 <fxspec06> ah. my bad
Jun 07 03:44:42 <fxspec06> ^^^^^^ no applications. shoulda known..
Jun 07 03:44:46 * fxspec06 gnite
Jun 07 03:44:48 <invalidopcode> haha
Jun 07 03:46:19 <rwatkins> anyone know who the architect of Mojo was?  never really got an answer on that one.
Jun 07 03:54:37 <invalidopcode> hm.... so I wonder why this .dashboard-notification-module has a 'background-color: #F9D;" line that is commented out.... suspicious
Jun 07 03:59:20 <rwatkins> the beauty of an OS where the app and framework source is all there -- lots of intersting bits about why stuff doesnt work right and legacy hacks around it to explore.
Jun 07 04:02:19 <invalidopcode> haha yeah that's why I like webos so much
Jun 07 04:07:14 <invalidopcode> cool... well that seemed to fix it
Jun 07 04:08:39 <invalidopcode> hey EricBlade, you around?
Jun 07 04:12:39 <invalidopcode> i'm really curious how Mojo posts its notifications now
Jun 07 04:13:00 * invalidopcode is easily intrigued 
Jun 07 04:14:52 <invalidopcode> oooo I found it :)
Jun 07 04:24:04 <invalidopcode> funny.... the mojo and enyo implementations have different paddings... for like everything
Jun 07 05:25:30 <bhuey> folks
Jun 07 05:28:03 * bhuey is happy to hear that the Enyo group is hiring folks
Jun 07 07:20:21 <EricBlade> hi all
Jun 07 07:21:27 <rrix> howdy
Jun 07 07:42:51 <EricBlade> hey rrix. did that missing switch ever show up on touchpad xo?  i've had pretty much no time to look at things for more than a few minutes at a time
Jun 07 07:43:08 <rrix> Nay, and I've been too busy to dig in to it to figure out what's going on
Jun 07 07:43:19 <rrix> work is just 10 hours a day of putting out fires
Jun 07 07:43:50 <rrix> in fact, I should sleep soon so that I can firefight properly tomorrow
Jun 07 07:44:58 <EricBlade> yeah me too. if i wake up before it's time to start my day full of meetings (do they ever expect me to write code, or do they just want me to be present for meetings?) i'll dive into palm-log and have a look
Jun 07 07:48:00 <rrix> same :)
Jun 07 14:48:29 <visionary> yo
Jun 07 16:02:27 <fxspec06> oy
Jun 07 18:50:45 <madnificent> fxspec06: hey!  why is your app A. published on other platforms and B. not been mentioned by the @enyojs?
Jun 07 18:56:21 <fxspec06> ha, A. because enyo is open source and B. not too sure ;)
Jun 07 18:56:53 <fxspec06> maybe i can get webosnation to do a giveaway of sorts
Jun 07 18:57:08 * fxspec06 working on a shoot 'em up port
Jun 07 19:53:43 <madnificent> fxspec06: the combination is what i was hinting at :)
Jun 07 19:54:04 * madnificent will most likely port lisp-addict to the touchpad when the TP arrives
Jun 07 19:58:53 <fxspec06> bah i see. well, i've mentioned @enyojs w/ the multiplatform thing, mattsmcnulty fav'd it so someone knows ;)
Jun 07 19:59:14 <fxspec06> and technically it's only on android right now, hasn't been approved on others
Jun 07 19:59:51 <madnificent> ah, maybe when it's everywhere
Jun 07 20:19:33 <unwiredben> fxspec06: what was it you mentioned again?
Jun 07 20:24:18 <fxspec06> well, this was one of the tweets https://twitter.com/fxspec06/status/210092395428188161
Jun 07 20:25:31 <fxspec06> and then i think this was the original https://twitter.com/fxspec06/status/209339439787417601
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