**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 08 02:59:59 2012
Jun 08 14:06:29 <visionary> just installed ares
Jun 08 14:10:31 <visionary> how would i write a hello world using Ares?
Jun 08 17:42:44 <fxspec06> never used ares, sorry =\
Jun 08 18:35:15 <EricBlade> well, it looks like i'll be having some time to get back to my apps pretty regularly
Jun 08 18:35:35 <EricBlade> publisher that was contracting the company i was contracting to has decided to cancel the product
Jun 08 18:36:10 <fxspec06> =( i'm sorry.
Jun 08 18:36:19 <fxspec06> you're definitely deserving
Jun 08 18:37:49 <fxspec06> i suppose it's not your fault, though
Jun 08 18:38:28 <EricBlade> i did everything that was asked of me as far as i'm aware.  i think what was asked of me wasn't near enough to finish it up though
Jun 08 18:38:38 <EricBlade> and the rest of the group
Jun 08 18:39:31 <fxspec06> i mean i guess you could say you should've done more then, but when you're not onsite seeing people every day that's kinda tough
Jun 08 18:40:02 <EricBlade> well myself and the rest of the remote group put together a pretty kick ass demo, and the rest of the studio didn't really hold up to it
Jun 08 18:50:43 <fxspec06> =| sorry man
Jun 08 18:50:52 <fxspec06> "you'll get 'em next time!"
Jun 08 18:51:05 <fxspec06> "you're too good for them, they don't deserve you!", etc. ;)
Jun 08 18:57:17 <EricBlade> if these guys get kickstarted, i'll probably do some work for them.. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/670743543/ground-branch
Jun 08 18:57:53 <EricBlade> i wrote a large part of their current code
Jun 08 19:06:31 <EricBlade> http://people.opera.com/mage/retro/?mode=dom
Jun 08 19:06:35 <EricBlade> wow check that out on a TouchPad
Jun 08 19:10:31 <EricBlade> don't try it on a pre3 though
Jun 08 19:10:39 <fxspec06> lol, i don't have a pre3
Jun 08 19:10:45 <fxspec06> that's trippy in FF
Jun 08 19:11:25 <Tibfib_> EricBlade: that's a sweet game
Jun 08 19:11:35 <Tibfib_> looking anyway
Jun 08 19:11:36 <EricBlade> you can make ?mode=canvas too, but that doesn't work very well on webos
Jun 08 19:12:37 <fxspec06> well, it's not really a game..
Jun 08 19:12:52 <EricBlade> fxspec06: i think he was talking about the link above that
Jun 08 19:12:54 <Tibfib_> previous link
Jun 08 19:12:57 <fxspec06> ah
Jun 08 19:14:32 <EricBlade> Tibfib_: :) most everything that you can actually see in there has my code driving it, but the graphics and UI and level design and all are all on the guy doing the kickstart
Jun 08 19:15:07 <Tibfib_> EricBlade: I hope it gets funding, looks like a sweet project
Jun 08 19:15:36 <EricBlade> the programmer previous to me did a lot of internal work on projectile ballistics and technical stuff like that, i did the camera view, weapons handling, weapon and player configuration systems, attaching that cheapy looking menu system to the game itself, and stuff like that
Jun 08 19:16:09 <Tibfib_> nice! now that's stuff I can't do
Jun 08 19:16:17 <Tibfib_> I need to learn more C/C++
Jun 08 19:16:24 <Tibfib_> I've got a problem: https://gist.github.com/0e11110f4d05a070d9c6
Jun 08 19:16:27 <EricBlade> Unreal makes that stuff eas(ier)
Jun 08 19:16:49 <Tibfib_> How can I get the menu to show up only in the viewable area?
Jun 08 19:20:08 <EricBlade> so i guess now that i'm out of highly paying work, i'm going to have to go back to being a cheapass nearly broke developer
Jun 08 19:25:44 <bigbluehat> EricBlade: ? apps not selling?
Jun 08 19:26:12 <EricBlade> my current apps don't make quite enough to pay the rent
Jun 08 19:26:46 <bigbluehat> do you do contract work?
Jun 08 19:27:08 <bigbluehat> or app porting to webOS (likely not much of that going on tho, sadly)
Jun 08 19:27:32 <EricBlade> I have never ported anything to webOS, but I would love to
Jun 08 19:28:04 <EricBlade> and I would love to get some contract work, that's what i've been doing, just don't have any current contracts lined up
Jun 08 19:29:25 <bigbluehat> yeah... you do webOS, android, and web apps?
Jun 08 19:29:30 * bigbluehat could just check your site, I guess
Jun 08 19:29:44 <EricBlade> my site isn't very good :D i never got to updating it
Jun 08 19:29:48 <EricBlade> after like february
Jun 08 19:29:54 <bigbluehat> :)
Jun 08 19:29:54 <EricBlade> now i guess i'll have time! haha
Jun 08 19:29:59 <bigbluehat> doing that might help your prospects ;)
Jun 08 19:30:07 <EricBlade> for sure, for sure
Jun 08 19:30:29 <EricBlade> as far as mobile, i do Unreal and Enyo
Jun 08 19:30:54 <EricBlade> i am also familiar with PHP and Python
Jun 08 19:34:15 <bigbluehat> all good to know
Jun 08 19:34:17 <bigbluehat> are you on LinkedIn?
Jun 08 19:34:51 <bigbluehat> EricBlade: like the Unreal game engine?
Jun 08 19:35:10 <bigbluehat> like this thing http://udn.epicgames.com/Three/MobileHome.html
Jun 08 19:35:23 <EricBlade> Yes
Jun 08 19:35:31 <EricBlade> and Yes
Jun 08 19:35:46 <bigbluehat> nice
Jun 08 19:35:53 <bigbluehat> looks like you do PlayBook dev too
Jun 08 19:36:19 <bigbluehat> so one key thing I'd pay money for on my #touchpad would be Flickr integration for photos
Jun 08 19:36:21 <EricBlade> I'd like to port that to webOS, but the build process for the engine is so monstrously complex, it would take me weeks or months just to understand it in my spare time
Jun 08 19:36:37 <bigbluehat> and ideally having some sweet way to manage all the flickr mess (tags, sets, etc)
Jun 08 19:37:01 <bigbluehat> yeah, would be great, but you might want to wait for #openwebos to finally land
Jun 08 19:37:20 <bigbluehat> also, could you make your GVoice thing work with Asterix servers?
Jun 08 19:37:28 <bigbluehat> or other voip stacks?
Jun 08 19:37:30 <bigbluehat> might be worth a look
Jun 08 19:37:38 <bigbluehat> and sell it to corporaty types ;)
Jun 08 19:37:38 <EricBlade> bigbluehat: i do playbook with enyo .  For Flickr on TouchPad, it'd have to be homebrew, as photo synergy is not allowed by the catalog, and the photos app apparently requires some patches to work on non-built-in things
Jun 08 19:37:50 <EricBlade> well gvoice doesn't do VoIP
Jun 08 19:38:02 <bigbluehat> well, yeah, but you're in that "keyword" range :)
Jun 08 19:38:10 <bigbluehat> but likely a much bigger leap
Jun 08 19:38:37 <bigbluehat> re: photos...seriously?
Jun 08 19:38:41 <bigbluehat> why not allowed in the catalog?
Jun 08 19:38:59 * bigbluehat is disappointed :(
Jun 08 19:39:05 <EricBlade> the only synergy connectors allowed in the catalog are mail, messaging, contacts, and calendar
Jun 08 19:39:07 <EricBlade> currently
Jun 08 19:39:07 <bigbluehat> guessing HP was after partnerships
Jun 08 19:39:20 <bigbluehat> gotcha
Jun 08 19:39:28 <EricBlade> i think photo and video synergy probably just weren't completed
Jun 08 19:39:42 <bigbluehat> eh, I'd bid for Big Content contracts being more desirable
Jun 08 19:39:47 <bigbluehat> but either way...not cool
Jun 08 19:39:54 <bigbluehat> or just disappointing
Jun 08 19:39:57 <EricBlade> there's a patch in Preware to fix up the photos app to work with 3rd party services
Jun 08 19:40:17 <bigbluehat> ah, hadn't seen it
Jun 08 19:40:19 <bigbluehat> will look tnx
Jun 08 19:41:31 <bigbluehat> EricBlade: I know you did the XO App, you might also build one for Plex: http://www.plexapp.com/
Jun 08 19:45:00 <EricBlade> I would like to add Plex to XO
Jun 08 19:45:23 <bigbluehat> that'd be cool too
Jun 08 19:45:33 <bigbluehat> EricBlade: also, you might do a Kickstarter project for porting Unreal to webOS
Jun 08 19:45:40 <bigbluehat> there's bound to be some backers out there for that
Jun 08 19:46:17 <EricBlade> i have a big feeling Epic's interest level would be around nil
Jun 08 19:48:04 <EricBlade> Ben had told me once that HP had a working version of it.  really sucks that that didn't get integrated
Jun 08 19:53:40 <bigbluehat> or at least open the code...
Jun 08 19:53:54 <bigbluehat> Epic might not be behind it, but game devs might
Jun 08 19:54:02 <bigbluehat> but who knows...
Jun 08 19:59:59 * rrix yawns
Jun 08 20:00:03 <rrix> EricBlade: Sorry to hear about the contract
Jun 08 20:02:50 <EricBlade> i'm going to spend this weekend getting re-acquainted with the part time job that i've barely been holding onto the last 5 months :) and hopefully get a bug fix for rrix's problem with XO, and get XO2 actually communicating
Jun 08 20:08:16 <EricBlade> The plan for XO2 is to not specifically tie it into subsonic, so that it would be easier to add additional systems to it
Jun 08 20:09:38 <bigbluehat> EricBlade: one thing I'd really love is something like dotjs for "installed" web apps
Jun 08 20:09:58 <bigbluehat> so site could have "thin" wrappers of customization to make them into "stand alone" apps in webOS
Jun 08 20:10:01 <bigbluehat> that actually work :)
Jun 08 20:10:06 <EricBlade> ?
Jun 08 20:10:12 <bigbluehat> wunderlist.com and irccloud.com don't work in webOS
Jun 08 20:10:17 <bigbluehat> but it's likely something simple
Jun 08 20:10:30 <bigbluehat> but those two groups likely won't take the time to tweak them
Jun 08 20:10:42 <EricBlade> if there were any guarantee of webOS being something that will survive beyond september, in a commercial fashion, I could totally implement a Music synergy system
Jun 08 20:10:54 <bigbluehat> or even "app-ifying" things like this: http://www.restaurant.com/Mobile (the mobile web one)
Jun 08 20:11:20 <bigbluehat> yeah...guess that is what keeps most people out of this pond...
Jun 08 20:11:28 <bigbluehat> not knowing when HP's going to drain it...again.
Jun 08 20:14:26 <EricBlade> music synergy actually sounds like a fantastic idea to me, considering the number of various music services out there
Jun 08 20:29:57 <rrix> EricBlade: that does sound like a really wicked idea
Jun 08 20:30:08 <rrix> Directly plug in subsonic or spotify
Jun 08 20:34:33 <EricBlade> hmm. just noticed that apparently RIM has killed the 16gig playbook model
Jun 08 20:37:10 <bigbluehat> EricBlade: so you'd write a music player app that used the synergy service/db8 somehow?
Jun 08 20:37:14 <bigbluehat> it definitely sounds killer :)
Jun 08 20:39:06 <EricBlade> bigbluehat: what is this dotjs, wunderlist, irccloud that you're talkinga bout
Jun 08 20:39:39 <bigbluehat> dotjs is like GreaseMonkey, but without the "overhead" http://www.restaurant.com/Mobile
Jun 08 20:39:42 <bigbluehat> bah >_<
Jun 08 20:39:45 <bigbluehat> dotjs: https://github.com/defunkt/dotjs
Jun 08 20:39:48 * rrix gets his ultimaker 3D printer printing
Jun 08 20:40:03 * bigbluehat is jealous
Jun 08 20:40:17 <bigbluehat> rrix: are you printing a new webos device?! ;)
Jun 08 20:40:17 <EricBlade> maybe i'll go back to being a semi pro poker player
Jun 08 20:40:33 <bigbluehat> sounds at least equally risky as being a webOS dev ;)
Jun 08 20:41:01 <bigbluehat> basically dotjs is a browser addon that lets you run a .js file on domready on any site
Jun 08 20:41:14 <bigbluehat> it can be use to tweak/fix/whatever any site
Jun 08 20:41:35 <EricBlade> so, it's a userscript
Jun 08 20:41:36 <bigbluehat> super handy for quick, site-specific tweaks to improve them, get rid of annoyances, or whatever
Jun 08 20:41:47 <bigbluehat> yeah, but without the "install" and "packaging" steps
Jun 08 20:41:54 <bigbluehat> it's a single .js file named something like google.com.js
Jun 08 20:42:11 <bigbluehat> my thought was to do something similar for packaging web apps for webOS
Jun 08 20:42:36 <rrix> bigbluehat: Calibrating :)
Jun 08 20:42:47 <bigbluehat> you'd write a JS file and give it to this App/Service and it'd give you back a webOS Launcher/app/package/thing that loaded the site and ran the .js
Jun 08 20:42:51 <bigbluehat> rrix: :D
Jun 08 20:47:23 <bigbluehat> EricBlade: it's just an idea...likely not my best ;)
Jun 08 20:52:30 <EricBlade> I think that would run me down that path that i've been puttering around with in my head for a while "how do you make a browser, using the existing webview, that you can have more control over ..
Jun 08 20:52:39 <EricBlade> but the answer, as far as i can tell, is .. you really can't
Jun 08 20:52:48 <EricBlade> without involving some kind of proxy
Jun 08 20:52:57 <bigbluehat> ah...likely not worth it then
Jun 08 20:53:14 <bigbluehat> or, you could get phantomjs.org running on webOS :D
Jun 08 20:54:22 <EricBlade> we can stick up to about 4KB of arbitrary html source into the webview
Jun 08 20:55:27 <EricBlade> there is one option that i haven't really explored though
Jun 08 20:56:03 <EricBlade> it would be actually like building a proxy though
Jun 08 20:56:26 <EricBlade> a service that processes html requests, and caches the results on the local filesystem
Jun 08 20:56:37 <EricBlade> then you point the web view at the local files
Jun 08 22:06:49 <EricBlade> yup, it's official, project is over :|
Jun 08 22:07:47 <EricBlade> on the bright side i have nearly a terabyte of really awesome stuff that i'll never be able to do anything with
Jun 08 22:54:39 <EricBlade> wow.. if you throw a ton of momentum on a scroller in a panel, then change panels, and change back to theo ne that has the scroller in it .. the scroller ocntinues working. neat.
Jun 08 23:25:04 <EricBlade> hmm.  with GVoice on Chrome selling at a price point much higher than the mobile versions, and selling more units than the PlayBook or Pre versions, I wonder if I might have mispriced it.
Jun 09 00:27:58 <madnificent> i have a touchpad
Jun 09 00:28:05 <madnificent> i repeat: i have a touchpad
Jun 09 00:37:16 <EricBlade> when you get a Go, let me know :)
Jun 09 00:37:45 <EricBlade> bigbluehat: does Plex stream to devices, or just control by remote?
Jun 09 00:38:09 <madnificent> EricBlade: it took me since the launch of the touchpad to see/hold a touchpad... i doubt i'll ever see a go
Jun 09 00:39:52 <madnificent> i don't fully understand why they didn't add a gesture area though.  really miss that.  aside from that, i'm thoroughly impressed
Jun 09 00:40:00 * madnificent row realizes this had to go in #webos instead
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