**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 13 02:59:58 2012
Jun 13 03:35:27 <rrix> Scrollers: not even once
Jun 13 03:35:54 <rrix> Creates a scrollbar and stuff just fine on laptop, but mobile doesn't touchscroll :\
Jun 13 04:42:13 <visionary> thoughts?
Jun 13 13:22:36 <visionary> morning
Jun 13 16:41:12 <rrix> Fittables make my head hurt
Jun 13 17:11:52 <summatusmentis> me too
Jun 13 17:13:48 <fxspec06> { classes: "enyo-fit", components: { fit: true } }
Jun 13 17:13:55 <fxspec06> 0.o
Jun 13 17:14:56 <fxspec06> yeah, they make my head hurt too
Jun 13 18:01:48 <EricBlade> mornin' ben.  not sure who's best to send this to, so i'll just mention it here .. the Isis website is completely blank
Jun 13 18:07:55 <unwiredben> yeah, it's a known problem
Jun 13 18:08:13 <unwiredben> They were switching web hosting, but I think had DNS problems
Jun 13 18:08:19 <unwiredben> not sure why it's not resolved yet
Jun 13 18:10:58 <Roy-Pre101> Progress.
Jun 13 18:15:24 <summatusmentis> I have to say, Panes looks pr. sweet
Jun 13 18:18:40 <EricBlade> summatusmentis: Panes is awesome
Jun 13 18:19:05 <summatusmentis> haven't spend any time with it yet, but it looks slick
Jun 13 18:21:05 <EricBlade> summatusmentis: did you see the mockup i was working on for a new ver of xo? http://ericbla.de/xo2/debug.html   .. it's a couple of full screen panes, with a couple of smaller panes inside, with a handful of smaller panes inside that.  It's like Enyo Inception.
Jun 13 18:21:21 <summatusmentis> I think I did see it
Jun 13 18:22:29 <PatrickC> EricBlade: u needed someone with whatsapp to help test something yesterday, right?
Jun 13 18:33:33 <EricBlade> PatrickC: i'm good on that now, i've got node sending and receiving messages on WA now .. although they aren't in any kind of human readable form yet.  I need to get some kind of device that I can run the official WA app on somewhere
Jun 13 18:34:00 <PatrickC> EricBlade: u have a touchpad?
Jun 13 18:34:39 <PatrickC> if so, then it's really easy to get the official WA running haha
Jun 13 18:35:20 <EricBlade> i wasn't able to, but i haven't tried any tricks to subvert it.  i wasn't able to get it on playbook
Jun 13 18:35:34 <PatrickC> EricBlade: and you tried in CM9?
Jun 13 18:35:43 <PatrickC> hey unwiredben_!
Jun 13 18:35:45 <EricBlade> cm7
Jun 13 18:35:56 <PatrickC> really? :P
Jun 13 18:36:01 <PatrickC> CM9 is where its at
Jun 13 18:36:10 <PatrickC> super easy to install, and even upgrade to
Jun 13 18:38:23 <EricBlade> i have cm9 but it's on my primary use touchpad, so it's a pain in the butt to reboot all the time
Jun 13 18:38:42 <PatrickC> then put CM9 on the one with CM7 on it now
Jun 13 18:39:13 * PatrickC has 2 android phones within reach of him right now
Jun 13 18:39:15 <EricBlade> but i use cm7 to dev on
Jun 13 18:39:34 <EricBlade> i'm installing the app to my gf's touchpad now
Jun 13 18:39:39 <PatrickC> Hmm.... I wonder if u could re-partition it again and run both CM7/CM9?
Jun 13 18:39:51 <PatrickC> kinda like a tri-boot..?
Jun 13 18:40:13 <PatrickC> i'm off to lunch, but i can help u test stuff if u need when i get back
Jun 13 18:40:29 <PatrickC> i have a phone running android 2.2.3 and 4.0.3 next to me
Jun 13 18:40:30 <EricBlade> ok i got the app installed
Jun 13 18:40:38 <EricBlade> same "Tablets are not supported" error as on cm7
Jun 13 18:40:48 <PatrickC> really?
Jun 13 18:40:54 <PatrickC> i thought they rolled that fix into it...
Jun 13 18:41:13 <PatrickC> i used to have the fix for it, lemme find it and ill give u the link for it (i think theres a fix for it)
Jun 13 18:43:01 <PatrickC> EricBlade: http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/39092-whatsapp-on-hp-touchpad-nice-experience/
Jun 13 18:43:16 <PatrickC> i can help u with the titanium backup when i get back from lunch if u want
Jun 13 18:43:19 <PatrickC> bbl
Jun 13 18:43:47 <EricBlade> i can't wait to try out the new stuff in onyx.  The list widget with the index tabs thingee should be well worth a look
Jun 13 18:57:47 <unwiredben> anyone seen font size differences between Chrome and Firefox?
Jun 13 18:57:59 <unwiredben> I'm trying to debug the tabs in http://enyojs.com/api
Jun 13 18:58:17 <unwiredben> they overflow on FF, but not on Chrome, but looking at the CSS, the same styles seem to be applied on both browsers
Jun 13 18:58:42 <unwiredben> I do see the computed height/width as a smaller number of pixels in FF though, like there was some CSS pixel scaling happening
Jun 13 19:05:07 <EricBlade> i know since i autoupdated to chrome v21, very few things look right anymore unless they have a meta viewport
Jun 13 19:21:46 <PatrickC> EricBlade: let me know if u need any help getting the Whatsapp installed on the TP
Jun 13 19:22:14 <PatrickC> just got another android device i wasn't expecting in the mail :p so i will be able to get it off there as well
Jun 13 19:22:21 <EricBlade> PatrickC: yeah i don't have a real device to do that with
Jun 13 19:23:43 <PatrickC> EricBlade: ok. let me get titanium up and running on one of them. do u want 2.2.3/4.0.3?
Jun 13 19:23:46 <PatrickC> (android version)
Jun 13 19:24:05 <EricBlade> i have cm7 or cm9
Jun 13 19:24:41 <PatrickC> which do u use more?
Jun 13 19:24:50 <PatrickC> (because that will determin which device i root to get it ;) )
Jun 13 19:25:17 <EricBlade> cm7 is probably better
Jun 13 19:25:33 <PatrickC> ok
Jun 13 19:27:25 <EricBlade> lol.. for grins i'm trying to build Isis .. it's compiling /home/eblade/isis/WebKit/Source/WTF/*
Jun 13 19:28:09 <PatrickC> lol
Jun 13 19:35:11 <EricBlade> holy cow webkit is immense
Jun 13 19:45:22 <EricBlade> almost 8 gigs for isis complete makes it the largest source code repo i have
Jun 13 19:51:54 <halfhalo> webkit is the devil in a repo
Jun 13 20:02:17 <summatusmentis> I'm doing bad bad things
Jun 13 20:10:17 * PatrickC is doing good good things
Jun 13 20:11:57 <PatrickC> EricBlade: PM me your email again? ill shoot u the stuff for WA
Jun 13 20:12:05 <summatusmentis> iterating through DOM elements to find the right thing feels wrong
Jun 13 20:12:07 <EricBlade> blade.eric@gmail.com
Jun 13 20:12:16 <summatusmentis> but I can't figure out another way to do it
Jun 13 20:21:54 <EricBlade> it seems like this is something that could potentially affect Enyo as well .. https://github.com/blackberry/WebWorks-Samples/issues/31#issuecomment-6302341  .. summary : "style" is read-only in webKit now
Jun 13 20:22:36 <halfhalo> ...
Jun 13 20:24:21 <EricBlade> ...
Jun 13 20:24:35 <halfhalo> ....
Jun 13 20:24:39 <PatrickC> ....
Jun 13 20:24:52 <EricBlade> !
Jun 13 20:28:36 <unwiredben> hmmm, style read-only? Checking on this.
Jun 13 20:30:03 <summatusmentis> why would that be helpful or good?
Jun 13 20:30:39 <EricBlade> it seems like that would significantly break a lot of things, although maybe it's only in strict mode
Jun 13 20:31:27 <summatusmentis> "reduce page repaints"
Jun 13 20:31:40 <summatusmentis> does that... how common are page repaints?
Jun 13 20:31:49 <summatusmentis> and how does make style read-only help?
Jun 13 20:32:31 <EricBlade> that's referring to what they were doing in the code that triggered it .. assign a temp property to the style, manipulate it, then assign it back, so that you're not making several changes to the style, triggering a repaint for each one
Jun 13 20:34:13 <summatusmentis> hrm
Jun 13 20:34:44 <unwiredben> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Style/css.html#CSS-CSSStyleDeclaration indicates that while the "style" element is not changable, its an interface that does provide some mutable properties
Jun 13 20:35:21 <unwiredben> enyo uses the cssText property of that interface to do style changes
Jun 13 20:35:50 <unwiredben> so I think we're OK... we don't assign style directly
Jun 13 20:36:38 <unwiredben> webkit shouldn't be doing a recompute after each style change, that should be delayed until a computed property is read back or you return to the event loop
Jun 13 20:46:52 <EricBlade> yeah the technique they are using seems sound, except that it might be irrelevant in webkit.  though there are other renderers that it might not be irrelevant to
Jun 13 20:47:36 <EricBlade> but, in any case, yet another thing i find that looks alarming, but just points out my own lack of knowledge :)
Jun 13 21:05:21 <EricBlade> hmm. my other 6gig source repo only takes about 45 minutes to compile, this is taking .. forever.
Jun 13 21:07:04 <PatrickC> only 45 minutes? :P
Jun 13 21:08:01 <PatrickC> EricBlade: did u get my email?
Jun 13 21:27:37 <EricBlade> got it.. not sure what to do with the files though
Jun 13 21:31:07 <EricBlade> gotta go back in about 8 hrs
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